Pitching Rumors: Shields, Orioles, Felix, Angels

Though the Giants did pick up some infield help in Marco Scutaro earlier tonight, the Giants are focusing on relief pitching given the high cost of a big hitter, reports Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle.  He cites Matt Belisle, Rafael Betancourt, Brandon League, Chris Perez and Francisco Rodriguez as a few of the names linked to San Francisco and "if there’s a guy who has experience pitching in the later innings and he’s now on a second-division team, you can bet the Giants are looking into him," Schulman writes.

The Giants aren't the only team who are looking into the arms race as we head towards the trade deadline.  Here are some more pitching-related rumors…

  • James Shields' recent struggles haven't been due to trade speculation, the right-hander told media (including Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times).  Rays manager Joe Maddon feels that Shields will still be with the team after the deadline.
  • Maddon and executive VP Andrew Friedman shared a "guffaw" over a rumor that the Rays would send Shields to the Angels in exchange for Garrett Richards and Howie Kendrick, according to MLB.com's Bill Chastain.  Friedman said he's still not sure how the Rays' deadline strategy will evolve.
  • The Orioles are looking to add a starter moreso than a position player, executive VP Dan Duquette tells reporters (including MLB.com's Brittany Ghiroli).  Duquette said other teams have shown interest in Baltimore's own pitching depth in the majors and minors, and Ghiroli speculates that the O's wouldn't deal a young arm without getting a Major League-ready starter in return.
  • In response to the latest Felix Hernandez rumors, a Mariners source tells ESPN's Buster Olney (Twitter link) that "Felix will be a Mariner."  The M's have been adamant that they have no intention of trading their ace despite looking at a long-term rebuilding plan.
  • Through Angels GM Jerry Dipoto said his team was probably done trading after acquiring Zack Greinke earlier today, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter) reports the Halos are looking for a reliever to share late-inning duties with Ernesto Frieri and Scott Downs.
  • Tom Verducci of Sports Illustrated looks at the three tiers of starting pitchers available at the deadline.


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42 Comments on "Pitching Rumors: Shields, Orioles, Felix, Angels"


3 years 7 days ago

One of the most talented pitchers in MLB continues to waste away.

CrustyJuggler
3 years 7 days ago

I’m sure if a team over-payed or came with a legit offer, Seattle would listen. What a GM says for public consumption can’t be taken as the be all end all.

LazerTown
3 years 7 days ago

He agreed to the contract, otherwise he would have been a free agent this past offseason.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 days ago

safe to say he didn’t expect the team to stay this bad. seattle’s future looked brighter at the time he signed that extension

Coper Nickle
3 years 7 days ago

He has said time and time again that if he isn’t with Seattle that’s due to the Manager and not his decision and that he want’s to remain a M for the rest of his career.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 days ago

so has just about every player ever that left in free agency when the time came

Tony Matias
3 years 7 days ago

Most M’s fans (not me) have always said the same thing about Felix and unfortunately can’t see an upside to a potential trade. I couple years ago Ichiro said he was going to retire a Mariner and low and behold.. look how that ended. Players change, as do their wants.

Coper Nickle
3 years 7 days ago

Yes, Let’s trade away a 26 year old ace that want’s to stay with the team he started with for a bunch of prospects makes a lot of sense! Why don’t you go root for another team if you want to be a farm team?

Tony Matias
3 years 7 days ago

Thank you for validating my statement.

Coper Nickle
3 years 7 days ago

Your very welcome sir.

Coper Nickle
3 years 7 days ago

Except that Felix signed an extension when he could of become a FA sooner and always says he will be a Seattle Mariner. You will look silly when the FO signs Felix to a 140M+ deal.

Terrence Ireland
3 years 7 days ago

Can we make another post saying how much we’re not going to trade Felix? 😐

Kingmojo101
3 years 7 days ago

trade felix to the marlins for stanton,bell and prospects

Rangers4Life
3 years 7 days ago

I’m not sure Marlins trade Stanton even for King Felix. Stanton is more valuable imo.

jwsox
3 years 7 days ago

Honestly (take the Kenny Williams and white sox hate out of it) if the white six
Offered saladino-Mitchell-Molina-Castro-jones or reed who do you guys think they could get??

Coper Nickle
3 years 7 days ago

Yes! This means there gearing up to extend Felix!!!! Then all this trade nonsense can go away and guys like Rosenthal and Morosi can actually go write about something useful.

3 years 7 days ago

Why hold on to King Felix? Articles have been written that he doesn’t really increase fan attendance significantly. Mariners are not contending any time soon.

Coper Nickle
3 years 7 days ago

Lol Felix will never be traded he will be signed to a 140M Dollar extension.

3 years 7 days ago

Richards and Kendrick?! I like Richards, not Kendick. Kendrick is set to earn $4.5M, $8.75M, $9.35M, $9.5M in 12, 13, 14, 15, respectively. After year 2, they’d probably look to trade him due to finances and by that time, he can block trades to 4 teams.

I love Richards and that’s about it. I doubt they trade him now after acquiring Greinke.

Shields, if traded, will end up in Texas. Reason being Texas wants to keep up with Anaheim.

They have some really good prospects. I would have to think Profar is untouchable. What about Perez/Martin? To much? Maybe, but they want to win now. Shields has struggled, but he has pitched 200 + IP since 2007 and, is on pace to reach that again.

I like the Braves too, especially Teheran and Delgado.

Most likely, though, Wade Davis could be traded.

Any way you cut it, we need offense, and bad.

I read in the Chicago Tribune that the Cubs should offer Soriano, LaHair and $22M for Pena or Scott, Chris Archer and another 2 prospects. Would the Rays do that? Would give them power, LaHair is a cheap 1B option and can play OF, too.

In my opinion, the Rays need to trade Shields, Davis, Scott, Molina, Pena, Upton.

Robert_Risteen
3 years 7 days ago

Why would Tampa trade archer back to the cubs

Robert_Risteen
3 years 7 days ago

He makes 19 million, to build around and he brings people to the game

Coper Nickle
3 years 7 days ago

Felix is not for trade ever ever ever ever he will be extended M’s have the money now that Ichiro is gone.

Tyrell Osborne
3 years 7 days ago

Imagine a pitching rotation of Felix, Walker, Hultzen, Paxton, and Erasmo.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
3 years 7 days ago

Because somebody has to anchor that rotation and someone has to pitch their games whether they are in contention or not.

What better asset to have than a young veteran great pitcher? They found him, they signed him, they developed him , they have paid him handsomely and they want to keep him. If that’s how the Mariners want to run their franchise, so be it.

I’m biased on this one because I have long thought that rebuilding teams do not have to get rid of every single thing that has value during the rebuild.

Robert_Risteen
3 years 7 days ago

If we do trade him it won’t be for pitching it be offense

Robert_Risteen
3 years 7 days ago

Wat position are those players

Robert_Risteen
3 years 7 days ago

Are any of them bug time power potential hitters, if bit then no

BooJays33
3 years 7 days ago

keep dreaming chief

Robert_Risteen
3 years 7 days ago

We have to many player at those position so no

Robert_Risteen
3 years 7 days ago

Power not bug

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 days ago

imagine losing 1-0 and 2-1 90 times per year

Rangers4Life
3 years 7 days ago

Younger and much cheaper with more team control

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 days ago

things have been good for a few days? well then

MetsMagic
3 years 7 days ago

I’m probably in the minority here, but I don’t think the Mariners’ problem moving forward is offense. Guys like Montero, Ackley, Saunders, and Franklin all have a non-zero chance of being very good, and the team seems to hit well enough on the road.

They have a shiny team ERA thanks to Safeco, but their starting pitching has been brutal. Behind King Felix, it’s been a disaster but their biggest strength of their farm system is young, high ceiling, elite starting pitching prospects. I’ve never been on the “TRAID KING FEELIX!” bandwagon like most, but if they can keep him around long term they’d be stupid not to.

harmony55
3 years 7 days ago

The young Seattle Mariners, who lead the majors in runs scored on the road, have a Pythagorean record of 50-52 playing in a tough four-team division that would send an unprecedented three teams to the postseason if the season ended at this moment.

The Mariners are not as far off from contention as some would suggest.

3 years 7 days ago

The offense is bad. It isn’t THAT bad. It would take another 2010 for the Mariners to pull that off.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 days ago

not only are you abusing split data and deliberately referencing pythag instead of adjusted pythag, but you even go on to imply that the 50-52 is actually more impressive given their opponents, rather than less

you already know, of course, that that’s not true. adjusted for opponent quality, their pythag is 47-54 – 4th worst in the AL

also, the three-teams-to-the-postseason thing would be unprecedented only because a rule changed. in other words, it would be without precedent only because it was literally impossible before, not because the level of competition in that division is at all unique – which was your implication

why do you lie so much

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 days ago

weirdly biased comment to make. their offense isn’t bad enough to lose that many games 1-0 or 2-1, but their pitching will be good enough? please

obviously neither is so extreme; it was an exaggeration – a key element of what are known as jokes

harmony55
3 years 7 days ago

Feel free to supplement my accurate information anytime.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 days ago

already did

normally i’d explain the underlying issues with pythag and split data, but you already know better. when you went looking for their pythag record, the adjusted pythag record was right next to it. you chose not only to leave the adjusted data out of your post, but to go a step further and imply that if we adjusted the pythag for quality of opponent it would look better, even though the opposite is true

we have the actual data on the mariners’ opposition in 2012. it’s been used to adjust their pythagorean record, a measure you introduced. it shows that the mariners have been the 4th worst team in the league this year

in short, the stat you introduced as evidence of x is evidence only of not-x. you knew that, assumed no one else would, and tried to get away with using it anyway

oops. maybe go dig up another split. have the mariners hit well in time zones other than their own? that would be revealing and persuasive

harmony55
3 years 7 days ago

This site won’t let me post a link, so I encourage the reader to Google: Baseball Prospectus Adjusted Standings so the reader can draw a conclusion on what analysis best represents the data. Even adjusting for quality of opponents, the Mariners would receive the league’s second-highest increase from actual wins to Pythagorean wins.

The Mariners have the third-worst record in the American League. Thank you for providing the adjusted Pythagorean ranking that supports my original point that Seattle is not as far away from contention as some have suggested.

notsureifsrs
3 years 7 days ago

third-worst regular record, fourth-worst adjusted pythag record

helluva point you have there