Reds, Twins Discussing Denard Span

2:19pm: Span to the Reds isn't happening, tweets Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.

1:29pm: A Reds source downplayed the Span talk, tweets John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer.

12:52pm: The Reds and Twins are discussing center fielder Denard Span, writes Scott Miller of CBS Sports.  One Miller source sees a 50-50 chance of a deal.  Span, 28, is hitting .290/.356/.396 in 420 plate appearances for the Twins.  He's guaranteed just $12.8MM through 2014, unless his '15 option is picked up.

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  1. ian 3 years ago

    Makes sense for both teams if they agree on a price. But with Span’s contract and Hamilton in the wings to take over CF (if he doesn’t stick at short), I still don’t think it gets done.

    • Devern Hansack 3 years ago

      I’d guess that if they need to move Hamilton to CF, they’d probably stick Span in left or trade him. He has good enough stats on a cheap contract that they could always deal him in 2013 or even 2014 if they wanted to.

      • I’m thinking Hamilton would be best to spend another year in the minors, seeing as how he’d need to spend a year in the OF to learn the position better.

  2. how am i supposed to respect this guy’s rumor when he doesn’t know what division the reds play in. the west? come on man.

  3. Please Walt, get this done!

  4. coolstorybro222 3 years ago

    the garza trade must’ve flamed out

    • slasher016 3 years ago

      There was never anything there. Reds have no need for Garza.

      • Jennifer Campbell 3 years ago

        I figure they had ideas of getting Garza and plugging him into the rotation spot, so they could offer one of their bottom of the rotation pitchers in the deal for Span since that is something the Twins said they wanted for him. They also want to have a stronger rotation down the stretch to get to the playoffs and the World Series.

  5. monroe_says 3 years ago

    Seems like an odd time to give up on Drew Stubbs.

  6. Jon McLaughlin 3 years ago

    Who would the Twins get in return?

  7. TophersReds 3 years ago

    As long as it’s not an overpay.

    • What’s an overpay? I wouldn’t give them Corcino or Cingrani, but I’d send Stephenson.

      • TophersReds 3 years ago

        No no no no no. I’d rather give up Cingrani than Stephenson. Cingrani is a 2 pitch starter, while Stephenson throws 100 MPH and is owning high A ball (Still a long ways away, but has waaaaay more potential).

  8. C’mon Walt, get it done. Makes long-term sense. Offer Corcino, Gregorious and Heisey or Stubbs. That’s a good deal for both sides.

    • slasher016 3 years ago

      No way I give up Corcino and Stubbs for him. I don’t think the Reds are trading Stubbs.

    • That seems like too much to me. Maybe Heisey and Stephenson.

      • Bernaldo 3 years ago

        Mike Leake and a “high ceiling” pitching prospect were mentioned on AM1500 about an hour ago. It all depends on how desperate the Reds are to acquire Spann. Unlike Liriano, Spann is a guy they want to keep and another team will have to make the Twins the proverbial offer they cannot refuse.

      • Stephenson has to stay. He’s dominant so far in High A. Cigrani is a one pitch pitcher with no feel for breaking stuff at all.

  9. We’ll see if it gets done. If it does I’ll miss Span, quality player and a quality person.

  10. Adam Lindberg 3 years ago

    I love Span as a Twins fan, but the Twins need to do this…Revere is a natural CF and we have several minor leaguers capable of RF (Joe Benson, Aaron Hicks, Chris Parmalee if Morneau isn’t gone, etc.). We need pitching, and I can see Cincy parting with a guy like Kyle Lotzkar.

    • slasher016 3 years ago

      Sounds like a good starting point. Lotzkar + maybe Hoover + a 3rd small piece.

      • I’d do that. I’d give up one of Lotzkar or Cigrani.

        • Adam Lindberg 3 years ago

          Cigrani’s #’s look impressive…Lotzkar looks like an arm cannon with Tommy John written all over him. I’ll take the sure thing, the last thing the Twins need is a prospect with arm issues.

      • Adam Lindberg 3 years ago

        I’d take some help at 2B/SS as well. Don’t know much about the kid but

        DiDi Gregorius appears to be a solid prospect…Cincy is loaded at SS with Cozart and Hamilton waiting in the wings.

        • slasher016 3 years ago

          Yep I think the Reds would part with Didi as well since he’s basically blocked for a while. Reds also have a solid 2B prospect in Henry Rodriguez.

  11. You better get some pitching for him, Terry. This is one of two trades you can’t mess up.

  12. Gunner65 3 years ago

    Fay is pretty solid when it comes to his team source. I’d say that his tweet is more accurate than Mr. Miller

  13. Joe Young 3 years ago

    I’d say Heisey and Didi for Span

    • Your not getting Gregorius, he is the Reds future at SS. B Hamilton will be our starting CF in 2014

  14. TheKingOfMacomb 3 years ago

    It’s quite a world we life in when someone hitting .290 is “guaranteed just $12.8MM through 2014.”

  15. Sorry, the Reds have stated Gregorious, Hamilton, Cingrani, Corcino, Stephenson and Hoover are untouchable, as well as Henry Rodriguez. Lotzkar, Sulbaran and Soto are in play

    • slasher016 3 years ago

      I never seen anything suggesting Gregorious or Hoover are untouchable. In fact I think those two are highly likely to be moved should the Reds do something.

      • Jocketty has said numerous times, those players are VITAL to our future, being a small market team. We got Hoover to replace Boxberger in the system and Gregorius will be our future at SS

        • slasher016 3 years ago

          You do realize the Reds have a rookie SS who is 26? Someone is either getting moved to 3B or traded. But with the way Frazier has played he’s likely the fixture at 3B.

  16. Why is span so undervalued on this website, he’s really good on defense, really good on base, but all everybody wants to give up is an okay prospect, look at his contract, his contract is a bargain!

    • Gunner65 3 years ago

      Nature of the beast. Fans that want other players on their team want to give up as little as possible and still make the trade. The reverse is true also … fans of teams trading away good players want the max return.

    • Adam Lindberg 3 years ago

      So what is Revere worth? Shorter window, but outperforming Span in most facets this year. We don’t need two of the same guy in the OF. Right fielders (and outfielders as a whole) are typically power positions, between Span and Revere I think we have 3 HR total.

  17. Joe Young 3 years ago

    Hamilton probably is the only real untouchable with the Reds wanting to win now!!

  18. Andruw Jones 3 years ago

    This would be great for the Reds. I don’t think they want to trade another guy named Hamilton though.

  19. Joe Young 3 years ago

    If we (Reds Fan) want this done I say didi, heisey, and maybe a starting prospect

  20. Gunner65 3 years ago

    Coincidence that Stubbs is out of the lineup for tonight? hmmmmm ….

  21. MN will only trade Span if they get a starting pitcher…don’t see this happening.

  22. Andruw Jones 3 years ago

    MLB Network just said Span declined the trade. Wow, didnt see that coming!

    Edit: MLB just said He did not decline it, there was just never a trade in place

  23. Joe Young 3 years ago

    he doesnt have 10-5 rights dont see how that rumor is true

    • slasher016 3 years ago

      Agreed, no mention of a no-trade clause in his contract (according to Cots.) He may not want to get traded but he can’t stop it.

  24. THANK YOU WALT for not pulling the trigger

  25. What we were tryin to get for him

  26. FunkyTime 3 years ago

    All Tigers fans want to see this deal done … this guy kills us.

  27. Jason McNeely 3 years ago

    I can tell ya right now the Twins aren’t getting Corcino or Cigoroni. You’ll be lucky to pry Stephenson away. I say Stubbs and maybe Bailey or Leake, simply because I think Leake’s only going to be a 4 or 5 starter and not a very good one based on how he’s pitched this year.

  28. He’s a SS right now. His glove sucks, so they’re considering putting him in the OF

  29. That’s not why he hasn’t moved up… Do you know how baseball works?

  30. vtadave 3 years ago

    So the Twins should give up their leadoff guy/CF for a massive CF downgrade and a “not very good” starter?

  31. slasher016 3 years ago

    Not that I even remotely agree with his proposal, but compare Stubbs and Span closely. It’s definitely not a “massive downgrade.” Stubbs has more speed and power, but doesn’t get on base nearly as well.

  32. Adam Lindberg 3 years ago

    I did, although people seem to think Hicks has a higher ceiling than Arcia, IMO. I guess the point is, we got all those dudes and I can’t name a decent starting pitching option that isn’t a question mark (Gibson hurt, Wimmers flaky). I think you can plug in numerous guys in RF for the remainder of the year and look to 2013 and the aforementioned being closer to ready after Sept. callups.

  33. Sky14 3 years ago

    Hicks is doing pretty good in AA. I wouldn’t doubt if he is called up before Arcia.

  34. Why would you pay $12+M to a guy that is just a DH? Doesn’t make sense. They should trade both Morneau and Span. Need SP.

  35. Sky14 3 years ago

    Yea Stubbs hits the occasional homerun but he can’t get on base to use his speed and K’s a ton. Span is much better.

  36. $3768902 3 years ago

    Stubbs’ cumulative WAR since 2010 = 5.3

    Span’s projected for 2012 = 5.27

  37. slasher016 3 years ago

    Excellent analysis.

  38. Adam Lindberg 3 years ago

    I replied with a link but apparently this site doesn’t like it. Anywho, simply by googling Kyle Lotzkar arm issues, you’ll see his mechanics remind people of none other than Mark Prior. Lot of torque on the elbow based on his delivery.

  39. Andruw Jones 3 years ago

    Twins dont get a lot of coverage where i’m at but I thought it would be a great fit the Reds. I dont know if a leadoff type guy will ever be succesful in Great American though. i’d imagine its hard to have leadoff approach when the fence is that close.

  40. vtadave 3 years ago

    Stubbs WAR:
    2010: 4.0
    2011: 2.6
    2012 so far: 1.3
    Did you forget to add in the 2.6? Either way, he’s clearly not getting any better.

  41. $3768902 3 years ago

    Hmmm…I think the difference might be due to the differing calculations that are floating around for WAR. If so, thats kind alarming the same stat can give drastically different depictions. Was yours from fangraphs? Here is what Baseball-Reference has:

    link to
    2010: 2.8
    2011: 1.6
    2012: 0.9

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