Cliff Lee On Waivers

The Phillies have placed Cliff Lee on waivers, Yahoo's Jeff Passan reports (on Twitter). The Phillies were expected to waive Lee this month, when waivers are revocable. Teams routinely place high-profile players on waivers in August to determine other teams' interest. Executives expect the left-hander to clear waivers Friday afternoon, Passan reports.

Teams have two business days to claim players off of waivers, which suggests Lee hit the waiver wire yesterday, when the August waiver period opened. If Lee clears waivers, the Phillies might be able to trade him. Lee can block trades to 21 teams, including the Diamondbacks. The Yankees, Braves and Marlins are not on his no-trade list, however.

The 33-year-old Lee earns $21.5MM this year and $25MM per season from 2013-15. His contract includes a $27.5MM vesting option ($12.5MM buyout) for 2016. If one or more teams claim Lee despite his contract, the Phillies could attempt to work out a trade with the team that wins the claim, assuming Lee doesn’t veto the move.

Here's more detail on how teams can trade players in August.


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99 Comments on "Cliff Lee On Waivers"


3 years 29 days ago

the baltimore orioles will claim cliff lee off waiver

3 years 29 days ago

They can’t afford him, and I think they are on Lee’s no trade list.

rundmc1981
3 years 29 days ago

It’d be interesting to know the other 6 teams not mentioned in the article not on Lee’s no-trade list. Let the speculating begin!

not_brooks
3 years 29 days ago

I’m going with Baltimore, Oakland, Toronto, Kansas City, Cleveland and Houston.

Gothapotamus
3 years 29 days ago

Can be traded to: Yankees, Rangers, Braves, Marlins and four unknown teams.

Can’t be traded to without approval: Arizona (only known definite team)

Kurisu Rg
3 years 29 days ago

Nor Kansas. Nobody wants to get traded to Kansas City

3 years 29 days ago

He can still be traded to AZ, he just needs to approve it.

cardinalsfan27
3 years 29 days ago

Cardinals are one of them. They have been linked to him before.

mstrchef
3 years 29 days ago

Let’s play this scenario out. The Phils have put Lee on waivers. The Orioles claim him. The Phils, looking to get under the luxury tax and have room to sign a free agent or two for 2013, let him go to the O’s on the waiver claim.

Since this is not a trade situation, am I right in saying that Lee couldn’t block this?

Gothapotamus
3 years 29 days ago

Still could block.

mstrchef
3 years 29 days ago

How? It’s not a trade. If I understand it correctly, Lee’s only option would be to choose not to report, at which time the O’s would suspend him without pay until he does.

Gothapotamus
3 years 29 days ago

I don’t make the MLB rules definitions, I just know them.

See post earlier today on Soriano, which affirms this:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/08/poll-will-the-cubs-move-alfonso-soriano-this-month.html

Essentially it’s a “no move” clause. Google “Alex Rios no trade clause” and read the Baseball Prospectus article for more clarification.

mstrchef
3 years 29 days ago

Will do.

Crucisnh
3 years 29 days ago

Why is this a big deal? Nearly every player in MLB will be put on waivers this month. It’s just standard procedure for MLB teams.

Scottie Miller
3 years 29 days ago

It’s just today’s world. With social media, every little bit of information is exploited. Fun to see who puts a claim in (if anyone) nonetheless.

NorCalDodgersFan
3 years 29 days ago

It’s a big deal because he’s a huge name with an outrageous contract who still has a 99.99% of getting claimed by several teams. Lots of players are already on waivers, but who else fits all those criteria?

Crucisnh
3 years 29 days ago

It’ll be a big deal if some team claims him. It’ll be an even bigger deal if the Phillies let him walk after that other team claimed him. But right now, not a big deal.

txftw
3 years 29 days ago

I thought it was sort of an unwritten rule to not say when players are put on waivers?? I guess that today’s media has made that impossible

mu_Zak
3 years 29 days ago

Heath Bell went through the same and a bunch of speculation last year.

txftw
3 years 29 days ago

I remember Cano going through a few years ago and people went nuts

mwxiao
3 years 29 days ago

I know it’s all business, but this is disgusting. With all the drama of him coming back to the Phillies, i thought that’d be a happy ever after.

not_brooks
3 years 29 days ago

Again, “Teams routinely place high-profile players on waivers in August to determine other teams’ interest.”

Relax.

nm344
3 years 29 days ago

relax, everyone gets put on waivers

Bob George
3 years 29 days ago

I guarantee Cliff Lee and every player in baseball has been placed on waivers every August that they have been in the majors. It’s nothing new or insulting.

Angry Albert
3 years 29 days ago

Conspiracy…maybe its why the Dodgers let the Dbacks sweep them. Theyd get a crack at Lee before other contending teams and AZ is on his block list.

dieharddodgerfan
3 years 29 days ago

Pretty sure the Dodgers are on his no-trade list.

Only way Lee goes to the Dodgers is if the Phillies just let them take him as a waiver claim, IMO.

BitLocker
3 years 29 days ago

Lee can still drop his no trade if he wants to go.

dieharddodgerfan
3 years 29 days ago

True, he could, but I doubt he would. I mean there’s a reason the Dodgers are on his no-trade list. My guess is location plays a role, being on the West Coast.

Robb Logan
3 years 29 days ago

LAD are not on the list. Actually Lee does like the West Coast. Only teams on the west are the Padres, Astros and Rockies from what I can find.

dieharddodgerfan
3 years 29 days ago

Really? You have a link to Lee’s no trade list by any chance?

3 years 29 days ago

The Phillies keep saying they’re not shopping him yet they do this?

not_brooks
3 years 29 days ago

“Teams routinely place high-profile players on waivers in August to determine other teams’ interest.”

3 years 29 days ago

Determining interest is shopping

not_brooks
3 years 29 days ago

No it isn’t. Especially in this case.

Karkat
3 years 29 days ago

Please read up on how August trades work before saying things like that.

nm344
3 years 29 days ago

they probably put halladay and hamels on waivers too. shocking, I know.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 29 days ago

Actually I doubt they could put Hamels on waivers. It would essentially be a sign and trade.

Bob George
3 years 29 days ago

Every player in baseball is run through waivers in August. Most are just run through it to hide who a team is actually considering trading, but it never hurts to have every player having cleared waivers so they could be traded in August if a great offer pops up. Teams run players through waivers in groups, every few days. So if Lee is on waivers currently, you can bet there are another 5-6 Phillies on waivers with him right now, and the same for every team.

mu_Zak
3 years 29 days ago

Only the Rangers would seem to be the new filthy spending Yankees enough to put in a claim, but you have to imagine the Angels would block them like the Giants did with Heath Bell last year. He’s not going anywhere, but hey, at least he’s not Barry Zito. We’re talking about one of the best pitchers in the game, Amaro seemed all the more willing to go over the luxury tax last year but now the shoe’s on the other foot.

YanksFan4EverNamed_Nick
3 years 29 days ago

Yankees gotta be in in him

3 years 29 days ago

Doubt it, they are trying to cut payroll.. not increase it by 25M a year.

3 years 29 days ago

i wish they put Rollins on waivers!

Karkat
3 years 29 days ago

They probably did, along with like 18 other guys

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 29 days ago

They probably have or will. Most players end up on waivers at some point in August.

Gothapotamus
3 years 29 days ago

I don’t think any team will claim him for fear the Phillies could dump the $87.5m owed to him if Lee approves the move.

Granted, I don’t think they Phillies would let him walk for nothing in the way of prospects, but that’s a pretty big gamble to take as a team eyeing up Lee.

ubercubsfan
3 years 29 days ago

I want the Cubs to claim him and give a BS trade offer. That way the Phillies have to pull him back and keep him for the rest of the season.

Gothapotamus
3 years 29 days ago

And you don’t think the Phillies would counter by doing that with Soriano?

Since Soriano wants to go to a contender, there’s very little risk of him waiving his NTC to go to Philly and thus the Phils getting saddled with his salary in a straight waiver claim.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 29 days ago

Why? That would be the Cubs dream come true. If the Phils claim Soriano then the Cubs can simply accept the claim and the Phils will be on the hook for the rest of Soriano’s contract.

ubercubsfan
3 years 29 days ago

Exactly. Worst case scenario, Cliff Lee goes to Cubs for a crap offer that LA was trying to do for Dempster. Cubs have the money, and the need for a TOR pitcher.

Gothapotamus
3 years 29 days ago

You must have missed the part where I said Soriano would only waive hit NTC to go to a contender …

Karkat
3 years 29 days ago

Does the no-trade clause apply if it’s a straight-up waiver claim? Like can he veto being taken outright? Legitimate question.

Gothapotamus
3 years 29 days ago

NTC applies to waiver claim.

Karkat
3 years 29 days ago

Ah okay. Never stopped to consider that.

Gothapotamus
3 years 29 days ago

i tried to post a link, but i believe it won’t go through since baseball prospectus isn’t approved.

google alex rios no trade clause and you should get a hit for a BP article when he was claimed off waivers three years ago and Toronto let him walk. Will Carroll confirmed with an agent that a NTC is essentially a “no move” clause.

Bob George
3 years 29 days ago

No it doesn’t. See my reply above.

Gothapotamus
3 years 28 days ago

Maybe if you’d read the article you’d have the correct answer.

Bob George
3 years 29 days ago

No trade clauses only affect waiver claims if a team claims a player and then tries to trade for him. If Soriano was claimed the Cubs would just let the other team take him rather than work out a trade. Soriano could block a trade to a team that claimed him, but could not block it if the Cubs just allowed the claiming team to take his contract.

Karkat
3 years 29 days ago

If by “counter” you mean “do the Cubs a gigantic favor”…

pastlives
3 years 29 days ago

not unless they want to pay him 20M next season

IdontknowwhyIpostonforums
3 years 29 days ago

Then the Cubs would just let the Phillies have him. Let’s not forget Randy Myers.

Bob George
3 years 29 days ago

Why the hate? The Cubs aren’t going to contend for 3-4 years at the earliest and Lee will be nearing the end of his career by then. I could understand anger at the Dodgers over the Dempster situation, but what’s up with the Phillies hate? (I’m a Cubs fan, btw)

ubercubsfan
3 years 29 days ago

They will need pitching next year anyways. I think Lee would slot in nicely as the #1 on the Cubs.

Bob George
3 years 29 days ago

The Cubs will lose 100 games next year. It makes absolutely no sense to pay someone $25 million to be on a 100 loss team.

nm344
3 years 29 days ago

I’m a little disappointed with the lack of outrage this post is causing from people that don’t understand how waivers work.

Angry Albert
3 years 29 days ago

Yep. They forget that NL teams get first shot. Dodgers sit at #7 in the NL.
He has a NO TRADE to AZ sitting at #8. So the Dodgers will have the
first realistic claim to him since they have arms and money in the farm.

nm344
3 years 29 days ago

and then the Phillies pull him back.

James Attwood
3 years 28 days ago

The Dbacks will almost certainly put in a claim just to block the DOdgers. The NTC is still in effect, but that doesn’t mean the Dodgers would get next dibs. IT would just mean that either the Phillies convince Lee to waive his NTC to go to AZ or they have to keep him. Once a player is claimed by a team off the waiver wire, regardless of whether he is traded or not, he stops going up the list. The first person in line to make a claim is the only team with the opportunity to trade for him.

HobokenMetsFan
3 years 29 days ago

….thats the reason why i clicked the comments

gambalore
3 years 28 days ago

You should search “Cliff Lee” on twitter. The initial reaction within the first hour after this news came out was hilarious.

3 years 29 days ago

will these insane long term contracts ever end ?

Gothapotamus
3 years 29 days ago

when capitalism ends.

Karkat
3 years 29 days ago

Nope.

Nathan Futey
3 years 28 days ago

its are on fault…

Angry Albert
3 years 29 days ago

*sigh* Waivers work like this: Put a player on waivers then the worst team in that league gets first dibs. As the pass it goes up to the best team. THEN goes to worse team in other league then up to the best. So really the Dodgers have the first realistic shot at him. Even if they dont land him they will make a claim anyways to block a trade to Giants. He has NO TRADE to AZ who sit 1 spot back of LA.

NathanielFaunce
3 years 29 days ago

Texas may put a claim on him. They aren’t on his no trade list, and have both the money and prospects to get him. They may also have a need for him since they just lost Feliz for the rest of this season and most of next season.

3 years 29 days ago

Texas doesnt want to pay his ridiculous contract.

3 years 28 days ago

Texas sends Martin Perez and Neil Ramirez for the Phillies to eat 45% of Lee’s contract

ugotrpk3113
3 years 29 days ago

I think the more important headline would be if he was claimed. Unfortunately, high salary players going into waivers is nothing new.

Karkat
3 years 29 days ago

I love how the article about the thing that is barely news is getting all these comments because so many people don’t understand August waivers!

RiosFan
3 years 29 days ago

Can he go to the white sox?

Jeff Snedden
3 years 29 days ago

This will definitely keep things interesting in August. The Phillies will have a massive leverage advantage in any potential deal, with Lee being the obvious big SP chip that is available. Amaro was smart to not give into the temptation to trade Lee before July 31. If they deal Lee, it will be for a massive return.

bjsguess
3 years 29 days ago

Ummm … I don’t think you know how this works.

There is NO leverage when the guy being traded has been hurt/ineffective this year, is on the wrong side of 30, and is owed $25m/year for the next three years with an option for a 4th.

It’s similar to Pujols and the Angels. Regardless of how GOOD Lee or Pujols is, their value is significantly offset by their salary. I’d be shocked if the Phillies could extract anything half way decent for Lee (who is an outstanding pitcher).

I’d also point out that their leverage is minimal simply because they can negotiate with a single team … a team that may put in a bad faith claim just to block a rival from acquiring Lee.

Jimcass134
3 years 29 days ago

They have some leverage especially if a team like the Rangers somehow fall behind the A’s and Angels. Anything can happen, anyone can get hurt and that’s when they will look to the trade market and see one of the better left-handed startes in the league right there able to take any team deep into the post-season. Though I still think if Lee gets traded at all it’ll be in the off-season.

stl_cards16
3 years 29 days ago

Teams are not going to claim Lee unless their intention is to attempt to acquire him. That contract is too big for most teams to take a risk of putting in a claim.

Sam Henzler
3 years 29 days ago

Pirates should make a move for Lee. They could put Bedard and Corriea on waivers and maybe send one of them to the Phillies. Daniel McCutchen, Evan Meek, and Bryan Morris would be bullpen options to replace Correia. The Pirates rotation of Burnett, McDonald, Lee, Rodriguez, and Karstens would maybe be the best in baseball. I think maybe Polanco, McPherson, Sanchez, and Bedard for Lee is a fair deal. If they don’t go f Lee, I can see Roy Oswalt as an upgrade over Bedard, and he would come a lot cheaper. This is coming from a 15 year olds view, however.

3 years 29 days ago

i’d love to see Lee over both Bedard and Correia, but his contract is already about a third of the Pirates roster budget. i doubt they’d be able to move enough to make that contract fit there.

besides, there’s a good chance the Pirates are on his no-trade list (which would have 20 other teams)

Sam Henzler
3 years 28 days ago

Yeah, I also think Lee is overrated just a little. Looking at the free agents this upcoming offseason, the Pirates are better off there.

Jeff Snedden
3 years 29 days ago

Too much money, just not realistic for the Bucs.

Sam Henzler
3 years 28 days ago

I’m saying, Oswalt is the better option. I say they should wait for a Dan Haren type player this offseason, or Edwin Jackson.