NL East Notes: Bourn, Reyes, Stanton

The Braves and Nationals have positioned themselves as likely playoff teams for 2012 with less than two months to go before the end of the regular season. Baseball Prospectus calculates that the Nationals have a 96.4% chance of making the postseason and gives the Braves a 78.5% chance of being in the playoffs. Here are today's NL East links…

  • One MLB official told ESPN.com’s Buster Olney that the Phillies would like to re-acquire a player they once drafted and developed. "You know who they want, right?" the official asked Olney. "They love Michael Bourn." Bourn also figures to draw interest from the Nationals when he hits free agency this offseason, and the Braves will likely have some interest in retaining him. Bourn and agent Scott Boras might have tremendous leverage as the three NL East teams bid for his services. Olney suggests Bourn figures to get a multiyear deal in the $16-22MM per season range, and I agree.
  • Both Jose Reyes and the Marlins seem happy with the six-year contract they agreed to last offseason, Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com reports. "I'm happy in Miami," Reyes said. "No regrets for me." The Marlins seem satisfied with Reyes and are unlikely to trade him, Knobler reports. 
  • Though they have a policy of listening to trade offers for any player, the Marlins seem to like the idea of building their lineup around Reyes and Giancarlo Stanton, according to Knobler.


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90 Comments on "NL East Notes: Bourn, Reyes, Stanton"


grant77
3 years 23 days ago

A 9 figure deal for Michael Bourn would immediately place him amongst the worst contracts in baseball. Lets see if teams can learn from the Carl Crawford situation, speed only players are simply not worth that much.

3 years 23 days ago

16 to 22 per for Bourn? Is that a typo?

RiverKKiller999
3 years 23 days ago

Bourn is not worth that kinda money. Especially for a leadoff hitter. Let the Nats and Phillies over pay for him Wren.

@ScoreboardSteve
3 years 23 days ago

Would really love if the Mets made a play for Michael Bourne this winter since they have not even ONE solid everyday starting outfielder on the team, and no speed at all. This all depends on them being able to spend this winter and wanting to throw a lot at one player. They also need bullpen help and one or two catchers.

mu_Zak
3 years 23 days ago

Bourn is not the franchise player you want- he doesn’t give you enough to give him either a long term or ridiculous $ deal as this article suggests. The Mets are better off letting that bidding war rob one of those other teams.

haymaker9
3 years 23 days ago

Whichever team signs Bourne in the off-season better be careful they don’t make his contract the next Carl Crawford-like disaster. Bourne’s career OPS is just .704 and his career OPS+ is only 90, plus he turns 30 this off-season. There is NO way he’s worth $16-$22 million per year.

craigkimbrelfan
3 years 23 days ago

16-22?? Ummm…no thanks.

@ScoreboardSteve
3 years 23 days ago

I’d go as high as 5/85 for Bourne. That’s $17 million per year, and not extremely long of a deal.

Bob George
3 years 23 days ago

Way too much.

Bob
3 years 23 days ago

4 years 15 mill per

mu_Zak
3 years 23 days ago

Melky Cabrera in his prime $, Bourn is not in his prime.

Colin Christopher
3 years 23 days ago

If I were the Braves, I’d make him a qualifying offer and hope he doesn’t take it. Actually, I take that back. I’d hope he took it, because I think he’ll be this good for another two years.

Stimz
3 years 23 days ago

Braves have money freed up with Chipper retiring. Resign this man!

tomymogo
3 years 23 days ago

Then say good bye to McCann…….remember arb raises for Hanson, Heyward, Venters, Prado, Kimbrel…..commiting that money for Bourn is not a 1 year thing

Jeff
3 years 23 days ago

The BRaves may have to try dumping Uggla to keep their core.

CowboyJames
3 years 21 days ago

Exactly. And I highly doubt that “dumping” Uggla is a realistic option. However it would work on XBox or PS3

3 years 23 days ago

signing bourn to a 16-22mill/year deal should be grounds for being immediately fired

Jay212033
3 years 23 days ago

So much this! The team that gives him 16-22 mil is a fool and I know my Braves won’t go that high.

Jeff
3 years 23 days ago

5/80 is the highest i would go. Over that, I’d get someone else. Heyward can play center if he has to.

3 years 22 days ago

Correct the Braves will not go that high. They usually tell Boras’ clients not to let the door hit ’em on the way out.

nepp
3 years 23 days ago

Unfortunately, Amaro just got a new contract so I doubt they’ll fire him immediately.

The sad thing is that I could completely see Rube giving out such a deal despite a guy like Upton likely being half as expensive.

Jimcass134
3 years 22 days ago

I think if Amaro was to give that type of deal to anybody, Josh Hamilton would be the guy.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 23 days ago

If that’s what Bourn wants… I can only imagine what Victorino would want. I’m a big proponent of bringing Michael Bourn back to Philadelphia, but not at that price.

tomymogo
3 years 23 days ago

Victorino is not better than Bourn and he is 32, so he would be a much cheaper option

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 23 days ago

Victorino has a variety of skills that make him a valuable player. Bourn’s entire game is based on speed.

Kent Kimes
3 years 23 days ago

Hope Bourn enjoys his time in Atlanta – no way we’re getting stuck with that kind of contract.

johnsilver
3 years 23 days ago

The winner if Bourne gets anywhere near 15mAAV?? ellsbury after next season and who cares 9according to boras) if he has missed about a season and a half of the 6 years with injuries.. boras will GLADLY be pointing out that neither CC or Bourne have the combo of speed, nor power that Ells has and point to Ells 2011 season.

Will it work? man, oh man.. Who knows..

erm016
3 years 23 days ago

He’s not worth that much. And I love him in our CF. But he shouldn’t get anything more than $10mil.

RhapsodyinBlue
3 years 23 days ago

If the Phillies sign Bourn to 16-22 mil a year they might as well just pack things in and enjoy the bottom of the division for the next decade

Sky14
3 years 23 days ago

Onley seems to value players very highly in the market. First he suggested Lohse might get 4 years and $58 million and now Bourn will get a multi-year deal between 16-22 million a year. If that is the case than Denard Span might look a lot more appealing to teams with a contract of $11 mil over the next two years with a $9 mil option for 2015.

phillies1102
3 years 23 days ago

If we trade Rollins this offseason, if and only if, then I would like to have Bourn on our team again (not at that price). But we only need 1 leadoff hitter, and with Galvis to return soon, Rollins could be headed out. Kratz is hitting a ton, so if he keeps it up, we could force Kratz and his strong SLG% & arm to 3rd, and his reasonable OBP and double hitting makes him a 2 hole option.

2013 Lineup 1. L (CF) Bourn 2. R (3B) Kratz 3. L (2B) Utley 4. R (C) Choooch 5. L (1B) Howard 6. L (LF) Brown 7. S (SS) Galvis 8. L/R (RF) Scheirholtz/Mayberry 9. R (P) Cloyd (5th)

I_Am_Roy_Halladay
3 years 23 days ago

Rollins has never been a true leadoff hitter, so acquiring Bourn would allow us to move Rollins down to 6 or 7 in the lineup. As far as I know, Kratz has never played 3B, so we can’t assume that he’d thrive at that position. You also have Ruiz batting cleanup over Howard. While I understand where you’re coming from, we can’t expect Chooch to repeat these offensive numbers in his age 34 season

phillies1102
3 years 23 days ago

All good points. Galvis is returning next year, and would be MLB ready to go if Rollins goes, but now he has no where to enter. I know Kratz is not a 3B. However, there are a lot of factors that make him a fit there. In addition to my previously stated reasons, he deserves to play everyday, but blocked by the Chooch, who actually struggled since leaving the 4 spot. In addition, the best 3B this year on the market is the same level as polanco. Not to mention we have 2 prospects who also catch and are likely to replace chooch after next year. He provides the stats, the arm strength, the build, I want him playing everyday, but he won’t be doing so behind the plate for long. Not saying he’d thrive, but he beats what we have now, right?

zolttt
3 years 23 days ago

“blocked” is a term used when a young prospect has no route to the majors… not when a career minor leaguer cant be on the major league team.

phillies1102
3 years 23 days ago

Its still the same concept, is that your response to my argument?

zolttt
3 years 23 days ago

apparently it didnt go through, kratz does not create a logjam, he is a backup catcher, he is a 260 minor league hitting catcher that has been in the minors for almost 12 years… how do you expect him to switch to 3b, and hit well enough to be a 2 hitter ? that is beyond silly

3 years 23 days ago

There’s talk Chooch will be converted to 3B. He started as a 2B, converted to catcher and has taken grounders at 2B and 3B during practice during his entire career.

CowboyJames
3 years 23 days ago

Agree. If Ruiz has suddenly turned into a .350 hitter then I will wear a pink tutu and sing skinny-ma-rinky-dinky-dink on national TV. Also Bourn doesnt fix that lineup.

WolandJR
3 years 23 days ago

That sounds like the lineup for a 4th place team.

zolttt
3 years 23 days ago

jesus christ, kratz is a 32 year old minor leaguer who is having a good run… just like chris coste did. He has less than 80 major league at bats, and has also played 3b TWICE (2 games) in 11 minor league seasons…. and has a 250 average in the minors, yeah perfect 2 hole hitting 3rd baseman, instead of just paying polanco to play 3 months for 5 mill.

phillies1102
3 years 23 days ago

He hasn’t hit 250 in the minors for 3 years. Not saying he’s a perfect 2 hole hitter, but we have a logjam at catcher. I dont feel like retyping, refer below to my defense for Kratz. Coste did not do as well as Kratz is now, and even so he turned out well during our tenure.

zolttt
3 years 23 days ago

sorry, he is a 260 life time minor league hitter. There is no logjam, kratz is a backup catcher, ruiz is the starter, and joesph or valle is the future. I dont need to read anything else to realize how idiotic starting a lifetime backup catcher at 3b and batting him 2nd is.

phillies1102
3 years 23 days ago

So then, you leave a .400 AVG, 1.395 OPS hitter to be the back-up, and deal with an awful 3B, when there’s clearly a better hitter wasted on the bench. I will revoke my argument once kratz hits below .300, until then a 300 hitter deserves to play and hit second, especially with double power. Don’t think: is this a good idea for 3B? think: Do we have a beeter option at 3b?

zolttt
3 years 23 days ago

there is no better option for 3b, no… but did you even know who erik kratz was when he was on the team in may? no, you didnt… so to sit and jump to a conclusion that a career minor leaguer who has literally hit well in ONLY SIX GAMES, is ready to bat 2nd, and all of a sudden play 3b is lunacy. They will more than likely figure something else out at 3b, OR just keep polanco for 5 million.

phillies1102
3 years 23 days ago

I knew him, just nothing big of him. I guess we just need more time to determine if his skills are true. Then again, its the same thing that happened to chooch. In any case, there is zero chance we bring back polanco for 5 mil. If we do, it’ll be similar to Nix’s deal, if anything.

zolttt
3 years 23 days ago

chooch played in the majors for years before this year, and it is a good year, not a good week. Before you start moving him to 3rd and batting him 2nd, perhaps you should wait until the month is over. Polanco has a 5.5 mill option, if they dont pick it up someone else will sign him… so they will probably bring him back for 1 more year, there are literally no 3b’s on the market after this year, but may be after next

phillies1102
3 years 23 days ago

someone else will sign him… for a lot less. Let him go, I don’t care. Agreed, we give Kratz more time. I’m confident he’ll stay hot. Not as hot as now, but still doing very well.

zolttt
3 years 1 day ago

kratz is down almost 100 points in his batting average since august first….

phillies1102
3 years 13 hours ago

Well Kratz’s OPS is around 1000 still, so to get that out of a 3B is fine enough. Maybe his hot streak wasn’t worth a transition, but now they have Kevin Frandsen, the local utility boy hitting .350. I know its not gonna stay, but now we can pickup a part time FA 3B as supposed to a full time. Eric Chavez or Jeff Keppinger are possible adds. Moving Utley to 3B and doing something else is recently a possibilty. Frandsen is giving us the flexibility to work with.

3 years 23 days ago

What about converting Galvis to 3B while Jimmy plays SS? While it’s a different position, he’d have the rest of this season (assuming he comes back), winter ball & spring training to really learn it.

Colin Christopher
3 years 23 days ago

He doesn’t know how to play 3B. You DO understand that, right? Seriously…he doesn’t know how to play it. You’re arguing that he should be moved to a position he doesn’t know how to play simply because he’s hitting well right now and because they have other prospects at his position.

It would be like telling Michael Vick, “Hey, you’re playing really well right now, but we’ve got some great QB prospects in camp and we really need blockers. Remember that great block you threw on a cornerback last season? We think that qualifies you to move to the offensive line.”

NatFan05
3 years 23 days ago

That’s a pretty terrible lineup.

phillies1102
3 years 23 days ago

Alright, clearly none of you believe Kratz can maintain his productivity. So we’ll just see how well he does, and what the office does in response. Kratz to 3B is simply because we’ll eventually have 4 catchers and not 1 solid option at third. Alright?

tomymogo
3 years 23 days ago

Who is the real Freddy Galvis? They’d be better off keeping Rollins

Bob George
3 years 23 days ago

Bourn will be 30 in December. He’s a speed and glove only player. His career slash line is .274/.337/.367. As speed guys age and lose their speed they lose almost all of their value to a team. Some speed guys are freaks, like Ricky Henderson or even Davey Lopes, who can still run very well in their late 30’s and even early 40’s, but for mere mortals, once they get over 30 they lose their speed quickly.

Then look at Bourn’s career. He’s never scored 100 runs. His career high in rbi’s is 50. How is that worth $16-22 mil per season? $16-22 mil mil total for a 3 year contract is more like it, and many would argue $7.33 mil per year on the high end is too much.

Bourn is a very talented player but he shouldn’t be paid like a superstar, especially when his one skill is speed and he is entering the years where statistically 99 percent of all players have started to decline in that skillset.

mu_Zak
3 years 23 days ago

It’s utterly ridiculous especially when you realize that all he has to do is live up to those #’s and he’s supposedly fulfilling the contract considering they gave him the contract past his prime.

tomymogo
3 years 23 days ago

I agree he isn’t worth 16-22 million, but his speed isn’t his only skill. Great defense, good OBP, some pop(career year though) and great defense.

But again those skills got Crawford 140 million which they are regretting by the second

3 years 23 days ago

.336 career OBP is not “good” for a leadoff guy, especially one making $16-22M a year.

tomymogo
3 years 23 days ago

But look at his last 2 years, he wasn’t a very good player before, now he is. Perfect timing, since he is a free agent at the end of the year

-C
3 years 23 days ago

There’s one anomaly year pulling that down quite a bit. If you take his first full season of starting out of the mix, he’s doing pretty well in that department. Since it’s four years removed, you can safely assume that he won’t get on base at a .288 clip in the near future.

-C

Seth
3 years 23 days ago

Save the cash Atlanta and extend BMac and Hudson. Get Sheets to retire as a Brave and trade Delgado or Teheran while the still have SOME marketability. Gilmartin is a hidden gem. My Ideal Rotation. 1. Hudson 2. Beachy 3.Hanson 4.Sheets 5.Minor You can always add Medlen in the mix too.

3 years 23 days ago

Pass on your entire post. I hope the Braves are in no hurry to extend B-Mac right now. His defense is poor and his bat has been trending downward since ’08. I love him as a person and would hate to see him go, but after next year, his game will be better suited in the AL. I wouldn’t mind giving huddy an extension, but nothing more than 2 or 3 years.

And why trade Delgado or Teheran right now when their value is so low? At this point, we’re better off hoping they can turn it around next season.

Seth
3 years 23 days ago

B-Mac had a horrible first half, BUT he has turned the corner in the second. How is his defense poor? He’s a CATCHER. Have you forgot who the All Star MVP was just two years ago? He has been a Silver Slugger 6 straight years and has provided veteran leadership. With so much youth coming up and Chipper retiring I think that’s important. Clearly Delgado’s value isn’t that low considering the Cubs were ready to give us the MLB ERA leader for him and him alone if the deal hadn’t got held up. And Huddy is are solid #1 pitcher. Who you got replacing him? Besides, he’s done nothing but good things since he got to the ATL. B-Mac and Huddy are essential pieces to the puzzle.

Jeff
3 years 23 days ago

Also who replaces Mac- Bethancourt may be a bust in the big leagues. Ross won’t last under a full season. If Mac gives a hometown discount, give him a 4-yr deal.

Natsfan89
3 years 23 days ago

No thanks. The Nationals have two potential leadoff CF candidates in the system already and Eury Perez and Brian Goodwin aren’t making 16 million a year.

Mike1L
3 years 23 days ago

$16-22M per year for Bourn? A fine player, but not in that class at all. You would think people would learn after the Carl Crawford deal. He has a career OPS+ of 90. Even his stats over this year and last put him at 103.