Bay Area Notes: Athletics, Pence, Giants

Congrats to Athletics GM Billy Beane, who was named the Executive of the Year by the Sporting News following his team's surprising run to the AL West title. Here's the latest out of the Bay Area…

  • "We're not going to do that," said Beane to MLB.com's Lyle Spencer when asked if the Athletics will trade one of their starting pitchers for a shortstop. "In years we've been successful, it's because we've had good young pitchers."
  • Giants GM Brian Sabean confirmed to ESPN's Jerry Crasnick that the team will tender a contract to Hunter Pence prior to the November 30th deadline. With a projected salary of $13.8MM, Pence will be this winter's most expensive arbitration case.
  • Sabean also told Crasnick that the Giants are "actively working" to re-sign Angel Pagan, Jeremy Affeldt, and Marco Scutaro. He said he's "optimistic" about all three but declined to go into detail about the talks.


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29 Comments on "Bay Area Notes: Athletics, Pence, Giants"


jason valentine
2 years 8 months ago

nice…just sign upton from tb and maybe loshe..and we are set for another title run

thomstitute
2 years 8 months ago

No way they go after Lohse. Starting rotation is set with Lincecum. Value of a long reliever during playoffs far exceeds that of one during the regular season. Plus if you bring him out of the bullpen you ruin any chance of signing him past next year.

monkeyking42
2 years 8 months ago

They’ll probably go after a low-cost guy like Chris Young or Tim Stauffer as a safeguard, with an invite to Spring Training but opt-out clause if they don’t make the team. But yeah, I’d guess Lincecum will be in the rotation.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

The payroll isn’t going to double. If they manage to re-sign all 3 of Pagan, Scutaro and Affeldt that will be the end of any major contracts they give out this year. A cheap RH bench bat and/or platoon corner OF like Gomes, Bay or Hairston and possibly another backup infielder would be about it. All that would still require a pretty large jump in payroll. They just aren’t going to be looking at Lohse at all and the only way they look at Upton would be as an alternative to Pagan.

Marquelle So Crazy
2 years 8 months ago

I envy any team that signs Bay. He’s going to sign for almost nothing and is all upside. So fun to have a guy like that on your team, unless of course he fails miserably which is always a possibility.

WillieMaysField
2 years 8 months ago

How do you figure a large jump in payroll to sign there own free agents? If the Giants keep the same payroll as last season they have 51M available to pay the arb players, the 3 main free agents, and minimum players. The money is there.

northsfbay
2 years 8 months ago

All we know for now is that the Giants are trying to sign their own free agents. They probably have a backup plan. We will see how things go.

gemmatmorrow
2 years 8 months ago

Good news on all counts for the Giants!

RepOak
2 years 8 months ago

Congrats to Billy on award. Clearly one of best stories this year along with Reddick GG award. Now just need BoMel to win the well deserved manager of the year

fluffywind
2 years 8 months ago

hope Scutaro rents a condo in Denver and trains there this offseason. really anywhere high up will do the trick.

55saveslives
2 years 8 months ago

Would be nice to keep all 3! We’ll have to overpay. Hopefully not GROSSLY.

ZAK
ZAK
2 years 8 months ago

Pagan is sooo meh though- Brown is ripping it up in the AFL with a 2-4 day so far today his avg is at .345 with his OBP close to .400 and OPS at .805. He’s 24 now and already 2 years removed from the futures ASG with Trout and Harper. Not saying he’s all that caliber player but the #1 ranked prospect can’t just sit in Fresno all year. His BB/K ratio is improving as well. So i like a Brown Blanco platoon in CF with Brown playing against some RHP as well when he’s hot.

I don’t want Pagan in CF bottom line- and i definitely don’t want him overpaid to stay here in CF, that’s ridiculous in light of Brown.

northsfbay
2 years 8 months ago

I am big on building team with the farm system, “BUT” not all prospects are Posey’s and Bumgarners. Some players are Belt’s and Crawford’s that are slower to develop.

ZAK
ZAK
2 years 8 months ago

We don’t know what Brown is except that he’s the #1 rated prospect and you don’t want to keep that guy in the minors when he’s ready. What you have to consider is that Pagan wants multi-year, CFer $ which is 4/40 starting point. You can’t afford to pay him that and then move him to a corner.

northsfbay
2 years 8 months ago

The Giants need a stop gap at cf and 2b until Brown and Panik are ready. I wouldn’t go to high on Pagan. I would like a little more punch at the corner than Pagan would give you. I wouldn’t want to move Pagan to a corner.

ZAK
ZAK
2 years 8 months ago

Blanco deserves a shot in CF just for the D and the lefty bat who can be productive at the top.

Moving Pagan to LF is not going to happen for the kind of $ he wants- which makes me skeptical they resign him. Agreed you’d like more pop but there’s just not a lot of FA players out there. A sign and trade possibility is there with Pagan, I wouldn’t rule that out. Possibly even in season once Brown is ready Pagan could get dealt.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

Belt flew through the minor leagues. Just because the Giants screwed him up a little by yo-yo’ing him back and forth between AAA and the majors doesn’t mean he was slow to develop.

monkeyking42
2 years 8 months ago

.800 OPS in the AFL is not that impressive, and it’s in a small sample. He was just average in AA this year. He’s not ready yet. They’ll need a CFer for 2013, and Pagan could potentially shift to a corner after that.

monkeyking42
2 years 8 months ago

I’d be fine with starting Blanco in center full-time and trying hard to upgrade in a corner spot too, if the right player is available.

ZAK
ZAK
2 years 8 months ago

I’m OK with moving Pagan to LF- but he’s got to be willing to take less than CF $ and we already know he’s not going to do that because the market is bleak for CFers.

Swisher might be the only worthy replacement FA but highly unlikely to sign with SF, though with the odds makers who knows…

ZAK
ZAK
2 years 8 months ago

Of course it’s a SSS in the AFL- the point is he’s trending upwards in all those categories starting with the second half of last season in AA. He was below avg in AA for the first half of the year and well above for the second. He’s on track to start in Fresno which is not nearly the challenge that the jump to AA is. If he’s tearing it up there it would be foolish to hold him back because of Pagan.

55saveslives
2 years 8 months ago

Brown isn’t ready yet. He needs at least a season in AAA. He also needs to learn how to read a pitcher. Picked off/Caught stealing WAY too much.

ZAK
ZAK
2 years 8 months ago

Crawford played at 24 and came into his own at 25. There’s no way Brown needs a whole season in Fresno if he starts there- Richmond is a tougher hitters league and transition.

Stealing bases is not nearly as critical as his BB/K ratio; he still needs to walk more but he’s starting to figure that out. The quality pitching he’s seeing of late in Richmond and now is making him come around. He won’t see anything that much better in Fresno.

northsfbay
2 years 8 months ago

I agree with you.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

Don’t make the same mistake they made with Huff after the 2010 world series but on an even bigger scale with a 4 or 5 year commitment to Pagan after one of the best years of his career. I’d rather put Blanco and maybe Brown (after a few months in Fresno) in CF and use the money Pagan would get on Swisher, Upton, or even as payroll flexibility to make a deal for a guy like Choo.

WillieMaysField
2 years 8 months ago

No on Upton. Strikes out way to much. .242/.316/.420 slash line the last 4 years. No thanks. I’d take Pagan over him for less money any day of the week. .281/.333/.424 Pagan’s career line.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

I understand why you feel that way, but with age and defense factored in I give the edge to Upton. Upton also has a stronger career wRC+, though it must be pointed out his is buoyed by his 2007 season that looks pretty flukey now.

WillieMaysField
2 years 8 months ago

Excellent response. Very detailed!! Perguero could be a surprise. He’s a player with some nice tools. I watched him a few times when he was in A ball and he clearly stood out. I know his walk rate sucks, but he’s talented. This is what I’m expecting. I threw in theriot and Gomes as the roster fill in/bench vets.

CF Pagan 9
2B Scutaro 7
C Posey 6
3B Sandoval 5.7
LF Blanco 1
RF Pence 13
1B Belt .5
SS Crawford .5
IF Arias 1
IF Theriot 1.2?
OF Perguero .5
OF J. Gomez 1.2?
C H. Sanchez .5
Cain 20.2
Bumgarner 1
Lincecum 22.25
Vogelsong 5
Zito 20
Kontos .5
Mijares 1.6
Affeldt 6
Casilla 3.5
Lopez 4.25
Hembree .5
Romo 3

137M 5 or 6M isn’t a large jump in payroll. Your right if they want to add more to the roster they would have to jump over 140M. I hope they lock up Posey for a long back loaded deal.

BLB25
2 years 8 months ago

Nice outline, that roster is about what I expect we’ll see. I forgot to include Peguero, Hembree and a few others in my list of guys who could fill out bench spots cheaply. I don’t love Peguero, but if he and Kieschnick are just competing for the 5th OF job I won’t complain too much, both are above average defensive corner outfielders who could probably play CF in an emergency. I like Kieschnick’s approach a lot better, but Peguero is more toolsy. Theriot seemed like a clubhouse and Sabean/Bochy favorite, but I would like to see one better bat off the bench (not counting whoever would be sitting in a potential Gomes/Blanco platoon) and given Scutaro’s age I sure wouldn’t mind if that player could play 2B too. Unfortunately, the middle infield free agent market is quite thin. We could cross our fingers for Freddy Sanchez to heal and return on a minor league deal… but thats probably not realistic. Perhaps a trade for a decent hitting utility player is something they’ll explore though. Trevor Plouffe, Jayson Nix or Gordon Beckham? Arias, Scutaro and even Belt are pretty versatile, but Bochy and Sabean have both shown a fondness for the swiss army knife type part time player before.

To nitpick I don’t think they can keep Pagan for 9 unless they backload and I’d hate to see them do that on player who seem so likely to be in some stage of decline by the end of a 3, 4 or 5 year deal. I think you also left out Huff’s 2 mil buyout (maybe you don’t count that as payroll) and I’d hope they’d spend a bit on the bench and/or explore an extension with Wilson. I think payroll will have to be more like 140 mil, and I’d call that a significant jump, but I guess its not quite the same as a 10 mil jump in payroll for a team starting off with a 50, 80 or even 100 million dollar budget.