Trumbo Trade Allows Angels To Pursue Pitching

By trading Mark Trumbo to the Diamondbacks, the Angels freed up about $4MM in payroll, MLB.com's Alden Gonzalez notes. Now they're approximately $20MM underneath the $189MM luxury-tax threshold. Even after acquiring Tyler Skaggs and Hector Santiago, then, GM Jerry Dipoto says the Angels will be "very aggressive with how we fill our pitching needs."

Gonzalez notes that the Angels could sign a free agent like Matt Garza or possibly Masahiro Tanaka. Lower-tier free agents like Jason Hammel and Paul Maholm are also possibilities. The Trumbo deal also means that Howie Kendrick (who had previously appeared to be another trade candidate, due to his salary) will very likely stay with the Angels. To replace Trumbo's offense, Gonzalez suggests the Angels will likely turn toward a relatively inexpensive hitter, like Raul Ibanez or Michael Morse.


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  1. TexasGusCC 2 years ago

    Nice job by DiPoto to get some pitching for a good but sort of replaceable player. He needs to do this one more time to bring in some depth. Conger could go next.

    • RobbyH619 2 years ago

      What exactly are you hoping for? .249 average is about his only quality, but he’s got no plate discipline like Trumbo given the near 25% k rate, under 7% walk rate, and no power. Whatever depth conger brings in may be better to do without.

      • Colin Christopher 2 years ago

        I get what you’re saying about probably not getting a huge return on Conger, but I’m not sure that superior plate discipline, K rate, and walk rate is the argument you want to go with when making the Trumbo comparison.

        • RobbyH619 2 years ago

          Trumbo had a higher k rate but a higher walk rate as well around 8%. Point is trumbo and his horrible plate discipline you can stomach somewhat when he bangs in 30 homers. He’s pretty much slightly better than Adam Dunn- all power little discipline. Conger has no discipline and no power. You’d get maybe a prospect in double or single a who’s bottom of the barrel but has limited upside for conger.

          • KINGMOJO 2 years ago

            Conger has some power, but not like McCann.

      • RyanWKrol 2 years ago

        You just described a lot of catchers. Lol Conger has quite a bit if power and has one full season of experience. He’s a better pitch framer and is quicker at throwing runners out on defense, which is where you should be starting when evaluating all catchers.

        • RyanWKrol 2 years ago

          *better pitch framer and quicker at throwing runners out than Iannetta.

        • RobbyH619 2 years ago

          Except there aren’t that many catchers that are near 25% k rate. Other guys that are similar to conger in their limited offensive capabilities but are better for defensive reasons are closer to 20%. The whole point is you don’t expect much but you’d hope a catcher they’d be between 17-22% k rate at best. The fact he’s over that range and doesn’t get walks any runs he saves seems to be mitigated when he’s up at the plate. Guys like jp arencibia horrible k rate and not great defensively but his power is attractable. Most teams can find a defensive catcher rather than trading for conger elsewhere.

  2. Mystery Man 2 years ago

    So who is the third outfielder? Did Calhoun earn that spot?

  3. Jefftown37 2 years ago

    Good trade by DiPoto. One note: I wouldn’t necessarily assume Mike Morse will be “relatively inexpensive”, as I read earlier he may be asking for $7 to $8 million, which would be too much.

    • Daniel Rajan 2 years ago

      I would rather save the money for more pitching.

    • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

      No way any team will pay him that.

      • Andy 2 years ago

        Texas paid Lance Berkman more than that last year, and you have to think Morse in 2014 will be better than Berkman this year. When pickins are slim, the prices go up.

        Morse will get about $7m. Watch.

  4. Daniel Rajan 2 years ago

    If JP lands Tanaka I would say he has done pretty good job filling the holes in the pitching staff.

    • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

      NO! Tanaka would be the next Pujols/Hamilton contract.

      • Daniel Rajan 2 years ago

        I don’t think Tanaka will sign for 125 or 200+ million. Hasn’t done anything in MLB yet.

      • matt luce 2 years ago

        Garza or tanaka. Tanaka higher upside more money. Garza super consistent cheaper

      • Evan 2 years ago

        How? Tanaka is 25

    • Danny Phillips 2 years ago

      About 6-7 fan bases are saying “if we sign tanaka”.

      • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

        It should be more like “if Tanaka is even posted…”

  5. Zach Ripple 2 years ago

    So glad my Mets didn’t trade for Trumbo. That’s moving AT LEAST Jon Niese and Rafael Montero. What an overpay by the DBacks for a guy who will be playing out of position and made the third-most outs in the American League last year. Not quite sure that’s the guy I’d want to give up two top young pitchers for…

    • matt luce 2 years ago

      Arizona didn’t give up 2 top young pitchers. And trumbo will hit 40 homers.

      • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

        He would have hit 40 HR with the Halos if he wasn’t traded…

      • godzillacub 2 years ago

        And yet still runs the risk of being worth less than 2 WAR due to how bad he is in the field and how little he walks.

        • TurksTeeth 2 years ago

          Except that his 8% walk rate last season was exactly league average, and the advanced metrics have him as a slightly positive defender in LF and 1B. His low OBP comes from low BABIP and Ks, at least one of which will likely regress to the mean. Not sure what “the risk of being worth less” than one has ever been quite means — that could be said arbitrarily of any player. Is it likely? No. It’s likely Trumbo will continue to be a 2.5 WAR player with strikeout issues and elite power.

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            In order to get that 8% walk rate Trumbo’s slugging, wOBA, K rate, and contact rate at balls in the strike zone (and overall) were all career worsts though. Except for that walk rate, everything else in Trumbo’s offensive game is trending in the wrong direction (more Ks, less contact, even less .ISO).

            And, the advanced metrics have him as slightly positive at 1st base but below replacement level in his extended time in LF in 2012. I’ll admit after further review his time in RF skews his 2012 defensive numbers (his majority non-1st base year) to be worse than they are but he’s definitely not average out there.

            Finally, 2.5 WAR is Trumbo at his best defensive position. I think you’ll be looking at that as a career ceiling not an average for him in the outfield.

          • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

            Trumbo’s the type of player that will play well whatever park he’s in. Good luck Mark!

      • X Marks the Spot 2 years ago

        Easily hit 40 homers. He is the next Ritchie Sexson.

        • godzillacub 2 years ago

          Nope. He’s Alfonso Soriano. Not young Alfonso Soriano, Alfonso Soriano right now.

          But a worse outfielder.

      • Andy 2 years ago

        Adam Dunn hit 40 homers. You want him? I’m sure the White Sox would love that.

      • Zach Ripple 2 years ago

        So 40 homers makes him worth the trade? And who says he’s hitting 40? Last year was his worst offensive season and he’s trended downward, plus he is a defensive weakness in the outfield, despite being a plus-defender at first base. I’m not saying Trumbo doesn’t have value, but Santiago and Skaggs are two tremendously talented young pitchers. (And while Santiago wasn’t technically with the D-Backs, he was traded straight up for Adam Eaton. Arizona could’ve held on to him, which would’ve been the better move.)
        Trumbo is likely to be overvalued in arbitration because of his home run numbers, which will restrict payroll. He’s a 2.5 WAR player, which puts him at about average for an everyday player. That number is in danger of decreasing now because he’ll be out of position, so he likely to be nothing more than an average-value position player with the D-Backs. Santiago posted a higher WAR in 149 innings last year.

    • Daniel Rajan 2 years ago

      If he hits 40+ HRS in Arizona, everyone will be regretting not trading for Trumbo. Let’s wait and see.

      • Jefftown37 2 years ago

        Not necessarily. After accounting for park factors, if he hits 40 HRs but continues to have a sub-.300 OBP and provides negative value in the field, it might be closer to a Dante Bichette, 1999, type season.

        link to fangraphs.com

        • matt luce 2 years ago

          Park factors never work out. Pujols was supposed to hit 40 in Anaheim but doesn’t take into effect the air and what not

          • Andy 2 years ago

            The marine layer is a killer. Especially to right-handed batters in Seattle.

    • Andy 2 years ago

      I honestly have no idea what’s going on in Kevin Towers’ head, but I’ll bet it’s scary in there where things don’t make sense.

  6. Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

    The best move the Angels can do now is sign Matt Garza. I think Michael Young is better that Ibanez/Morse because he is an impact bat who can play all of the infield. If CJ Cron can step up and play 1B, Young would be a perfect fit in Anaheim, which is near his home town.

    • kdub53 2 years ago

      all around good points here ….I think Garza would round out the rotation perfectly. Michael young is a good player all around as far as backup is concerned…

    • Michael Young “impact bat”

    • northsfbay 2 years ago

      The best move is for the Angels to build the team with the farm system. See A’s.

      • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

        Sign Garza or Arroyo and we keep our 1st round draft.

        • kdub53 2 years ago

          I was interested in arroyo but now with the background of Garza in central California….im thinking Garza

      • Andy 2 years ago

        Good idea. We’ll check back in 5 years, that’s about how long it takes.

    • Matt 2 years ago

      Michael Young isn’t an impact bat, just no. All he does is hit ground balls and hits into double plays in the most crucial situations.

  7. deadgeorge 2 years ago

    Kendrys Morales for Jason Vargas; Mark Trumbo for Tyler Skaggs and Hector Santiago; Mike Trout for…?

    • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

      The league.

    • John C. Reilly 2 years ago

      Both Verlander and Cabrera would be a good starting point

      • X Marks the Spot 2 years ago

        You would need to throw in Joe Blanton to even out the trade. The Tigers would need front line pitching in return.

      • Nick Costanza 2 years ago

        If the Angels wanted to destroy the luxury tax then sure

        • John C. Reilly 2 years ago

          Obviously it would never happen. Trout is untouchable. I was just thinking in terms of even value short term.

          • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

            Send Torii back too

          • X Marks the Spot 2 years ago

            We also send about 1000 baseball along with Joe Blanton knowing he will give up alot of souvenirs at Comerica Park.

          • Matt Moore 2 years ago

            You can have him for free.

          • Andy 2 years ago

            What’s scary is the kind of return Trout could bring. Remember how the Hershel Walker trade eventually resulted in 3 rings for the Cowboys? Trout could bring back a bigger haul than that.

    • northsfbay 2 years ago

      Didn’t the A’s win the division the last 2 years? How did they do it?

      • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

        Why don’t you just tell us. You’re obviously smarter than us.

      • RyanWKrol 2 years ago

        Good pitching and more offense out of a lot of guys who probably shouldn’t have put up those numbers.

  8. Tim Bowers 2 years ago

    Angels are a poorly run org. M’s are winning the AL West this year baby!!

    • northsfbay 2 years ago

      How about those A’s?

    • Patrick 2 years ago

      Please tell me that was supposed to be funny.

    • alexamato 2 years ago

      comedic post of the year?

    • Matt 2 years ago

      Speaking of poorly run organizations, you must have missed that article on the Mariners that came out a few days ago.

      • Tim Bowers 2 years ago

        That article was an inside rouse.

        People will take the M’s for granted, and be BLINDSIDED by their success!

        • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

          I voted ^ ‘cuz you’re too darn funny!

          • Tim Bowers 2 years ago

            Laugh it up!

            The M’s have you exactly where they want you to be.

          • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

            Trying to beat the Astros for the cellar? Is that where we’d like be?

          • Tim Bowers 2 years ago

            Does your team have a Robinson Cano?

            Nope.

            Recognize, respect.

          • Matt 2 years ago

            His team has a Mike Trout judging from his profile picture, and let’s be honest here, who would you rather have?

          • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

            Could’t have said it better.

          • northsfbay 2 years ago

            Baseball is a team sport.

          • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

            Yes but the A’s have never been able to hold on to a core of guys for awhile.

          • RyanWKrol 2 years ago

            25 to a roster last I heard.

          • Andy 2 years ago

            The 2001 Rangers called, they wanted their ridiculously expensive publicity stunt that didn’t work back.

          • Guest 2 years ago

            …in 1st and 2nd place, to which the Mariners are looking up?

        • John C. Reilly 2 years ago

          Look at your roster please… Cano would have to be a 20 WAR player to turn the team around

          • abes_seed 2 years ago

            oh, in four year he might make that….little late though.

    • Guest 2 years ago

      Nah. If Halos don’t win then the ‘Stros win the west “baby”

    • FlaveFlava 2 years ago

      Uh the M’s just gave out a 240 mil contract?? That’s never a good thing

    • HolaAmigas 2 years ago

      Isn’t that what Mariners fans said after they signed Chone Figgins in 2010?

  9. Andy 2 years ago

    Ibanez is dynamite in LF.

    • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

      The dude is 41. How many miles does he have left?

      • Andy 2 years ago

        Oh, I agree, but look what he did this year. Who’s to say he can’t be productive next year?

        And yes, that was sarcasm. Unless from the word “dynamite” you inferred “likely to explode in a cacophony of incompetence”.

        • Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

          He’s a great DH. I just wouldn’t play him in left.

  10. Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

    Explain please.

  11. Guest 2 years ago

    Then Kevin Towers should try to trade for him; he loves guys like that.

  12. Matt 2 years ago

    Even as a Dodgers fan, it is pretty obvious he is confusing Trout with Yasiel Puig.

  13. Josh Blackfeild 2 years ago

    I’m scared Puig will kill himself on the field. That’s how beast Puig is.

  14. Andy 2 years ago

    Kevin Towers should look into trading for him, too.

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