Masahiro Tanaka Rumors: Thursday

With the courting of Japanese starter Masahiro Tanaka now firmly underway, here is the latest on the top remaining free agent (in the estimation of MLBTR's Tim Dierkes):

  • Tanaka is in Los Angeles not only to meet with clubs, but to undergo a physical, reports Steve Dilbeck of the Los Angeles Times. Tanaka will have his physical on Thursday and release the results to interested clubs. With a sizeable workload already under Tanaka's belt at age 25, says Dilbeck, agent Casey Close may be looking to get out in front of any health concerns.
  • After Dodgers GM Ned Colletti said yesterday that discussions were in the "feeling-out" stage, president Stan Kasten further discussed the team's interest in Tanaka today in an interview with Mark Willard and Ben Lyons of ESPNLA 710, writes Mark Saxon of ESPNLosAngeles.com"You can be assured we'll investigate everything and, if there's a way that it made sense, I'm sure we would consider it," said Kasten. "But I wouldn't predict it, I wouldn't hang our hat on it, because I think the team we have right now in place is ready to go to spring training, ready to start the season and ready to compete and win."
  • Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers also discussed Tanaka from his club's perspective, indicating to Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic that he anticipates a chance to meet with Tanaka and his camp. "They've been good through the process," Towers said in reference to Tanaka and Close. "I'm sure they've dealt with us the same way they've dealt with other clubs." Towers also addressed the issue of whether Arizona could compete with other teams that may have greater financial flexibility. "We don't know if it's about dollars or location or the chance to be competitive," said Towers. "Nobody has really met with him so I don't think any of us have any idea. … If they come out and say it's going to be the club that spends the most money on him, then we're probably not the front-runner. But everything right now is pure speculation by the media." The D-Backs' top baseball man declined to disclose his sales pitch, but did say that his organization has "spent a great deal of time putting together what our plan of attack is and what our selling points are."
  • The White Sox have issued a statement confirming that club representatives met with Tanaka and his camp today, Scott Merkin of MLB.com was among those to report (through a series of Twitter links). GM Rick Hahn was joined by executive VP Ken Williams and manager Robin Ventura for a meeting that was, in Hahn's words, "exploratory in nature."
  • Meanwhile, the Red Sox have been in touch with Close, GM Ben Cherington told WEEI.com in a radio interview today. As WEEI.com's Alex Speier tweets, Cherington said that "we'll see how it plays out" as to whether the club ultimately meets with Tanaka and company.
  • The details of the negotation process could have a major role in where Tanaka ultimately ends up, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports explores in a series of tweets. For instance, the Diamondbacks have a scout who played with Tanaka in Japan, while Angels executive Hal Morris played ball with Close in college. While such advantages may be minor, Rosenthal says that clubs are looking for any edge.
  • The precise structure of the deal could also be highly variable, says Rosenthal, and may well include creative contract terms. Rosenthal cites Close's utilization of an opt-out clause in the Zack Greinke deal, and proposal to include a similar clause in a Clayton Kershaw extension. An opt-out clause or even a massive AAV over a shorter term would not be surprising, according to Rosenthal.

Earlier Updates

  • Tanaka arrived in the United States to begin meeting with Major League clubs, tweets David Waldstein of the New York Times. Tanaka was originally planning on flying into Chicago, but an NL official tells Waldstein that weather caused him to fly into Los Angeles instead.
  • Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reports that Tanaka's camp could meet with as many as a dozen by Friday. According to Heyman, the Dodgers, Cubs, and Yankees (in addition to the above-noted Angels, White Sox, and Diamondbacks) all have meetings set. The Blue Jays have also had multiple conversations with Tanaka's camp already, he adds, but it's unclear if they have a face-to-face meeting set in Los Angeles. Heyman reports that Tanaka began meetings yesterday and could meet with five to six teams per day.
  • We also learned additional details on the payment schedule for the posting fee that will be owed by whatever team ultimately lands Tanaka.

Jeff Todd contributed to this post.

 


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134 Comments on "Masahiro Tanaka Rumors: Thursday"


Karkat
1 year 7 months ago

Man, even the Polar Vortex has it out for the Cubs.

TheFallenSoldier
1 year 7 months ago

The weather here isn’t THAT bad…

docmilo5
1 year 7 months ago

It’s likely bad enough to make Theo et al want to head to Southern Cal.

cderry
1 year 7 months ago

I told some people on another website that Tanaka was a good fit for the White Sox. They saved a lot of money in trades last year and have the cash to spend. Tanaka’s youth will put him in excellent company with Chris Sale and Jose Quintana when the WSox will begin to compete for the playoffs (which I think will be as soon as 2015).

Cubstein
1 year 7 months ago

He’s pretty much a good fit anywhere that has the extra cash. That’s why he’s so hyped up right now.

Looking for a top starter this year to compete now? Tanaka’s your guy
Looking for a guy that can be a building block on a rebuilding team? Tanaka’s your guy?
Ready to compete year in year out for the next 6-7 years? Tanaka’s your guy.

Question is who will pay the most and does Tanaka really have a geographic preference? I question any of this talk about a shorter flight time from the west coast. Chicago to Japan compared to LA to Japan is about an hour and a half difference in flight time, not exactly worth leaving millions of dollars on the table.

bill leff
1 year 7 months ago

That would be a nice 1, 2, 3. Go White Sox!

LightUptheHalo
1 year 7 months ago

Now were getting somewhere.

Gumby65
1 year 7 months ago

First snow in Chicago, now Magic Johnson is going to make it rain in LA….

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 7 months ago

Alright Arte time to break out the check book, don’t get cheap now!

bobbleheadguru
1 year 7 months ago

Interesting exercise….

Rank the value of upcoming longterm contracts (both in cost and value) for Tanaka, Scherzer and Price:

Cost (including $20MM posting Fee in Tanaka’s case):

1. Price (starting 2016)
2. Scherzer (starting 2015)
3. Tanaka (starting 2014)

Estimated value (as measured by $/WAR, low to high) over the length of contract (my opinion):

1. Tanaka
2. Price
3. Scherzer

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 7 months ago

Interesting exercise…. but how did you come up with those rankings?

bobbleheadguru
1 year 7 months ago

Just guessing. Kershaw is NOT on this list, because he is at a different level.

What is your guess, both for contract costs and value ($/WAR)?

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 7 months ago

$/WAR I find almost impossible to estimate with Scherzer and Price having not yet reached FA. If Scherzer has a down 2014 I think he will get a smaller contract than Tanaka, Price is still two years away from FA and that leaves a lot of room for fluctuation in his contract. He could have an arm injury or a velocity drop that significantly effects his contract.
My best guess would be:

Contract size: 1) Price 2) Tanaka 3) Scherzer
$/WAR: 1) Price 2) Tanaka 3) Scherzer

In essence I think all 3 will have just about equal value so it will come down to who gets the most money.

P.S. the lower $/WAR the better

Cubstein
1 year 7 months ago

Well in a perfect world the $/War would be equal, although probably the higher WAR player cost a little more money per Win considering most would prefer one 8 WAR player to two 4 WAR players because it now allows you to find a prospect capable of giving you production or spend additional money to fill that other spot with someone with a positive WAR whether it be another 1 WAR or another 8 WAR.

bobbleheadguru
1 year 7 months ago

My point is that Tanaka, even at a higher than expected salary, may be a better value than either Price (his contract starting 2016) or Scherzer (his contract starting 2015). Would you agree?

Cubstein
1 year 7 months ago

He has a good chance of that but he also comes with the highest risk not being an MLB proven player, having a lot of mileage on his arm. I’ve seen reports thinking he’s an Ace to reports thinking he’s more middle of the rotation with mechanics that suggest a drop in velocity sometime in the not too distant future. With Kershaw and Price you at least have proven TOR/Cy young stuff, although likely with diminishing skill sets as they age.

slashieboy .
1 year 7 months ago

Depends on which league he ends up in, middle of the rotation in AL is is near ace material in the NL.

Cubstein
1 year 7 months ago

Think you are overvaluing AL vs NL pitchers. Overall there isn’t some huge gap between the two.

Vincent Starks
1 year 7 months ago

I don’t see the Dodgers getting Tanaka. It would have been a Dream Team Pitching Staff too

Quikmix
1 year 7 months ago

Between the two LA teams, I would think the Dodgers would be more appealing than the Angels, but I’d still love to see some youth come into the Angels pitching lineup.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 7 months ago

I’d prefer he stay out of the lineup as much a possible…

Quikmix
1 year 7 months ago

hahaha, lemme change that.

Nyy dude
1 year 7 months ago

The two L.A. teams?

JordanMantor
1 year 7 months ago

The Angels aren’t an LA team, you take that back.

Curt Green
1 year 7 months ago

Always the California Angels in my book.

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

There was a much bigger uproar around MLB over the Angels using the California moniker than their fan base over the LA moniker. Did I say that right?

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

They’re the only MLB team born in LA.

JordanMantor
1 year 7 months ago

No. While they’re TECHNICALLY part of LA (solely on a jurisdictional sense), they’re based in Anaheim, which is in Orange County.

Orange County sure ain’t LA, man. *shudder*

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

Well that all depends on what is appealing to Tanaka. Mike Trout or Yasiel Puig? Albert Pujols or Adrian Gonzalez? Arte Moreno or Magic Johnson? We can go on and on. It’ll be a matter of preference.

Yankees4Lif3
1 year 7 months ago

1. CC 2.Tanaka 3.Nova.4.Kuroda 5.Pineda/Phelps not bad. Let’s Go Yankees!

docmilo5
1 year 7 months ago

Unfortunately, CC may not be #1 anymore. His ERA+ of 85 makes him a middle of the rotation or back end kind of guy going forward if he doesn’t figure things out really quick.

dc21892
1 year 7 months ago

May not be a number one, but it’s either him or Kuroda with the lack of pitching they have.

Vmmercan
1 year 7 months ago

Hate to burst your bubble but if CC has a rebound year (doesn’t have to return to ace form but pitches like a front-end guy) and the Yankees land Tanaka, they don’t have a lack of pitching.

1. Kuroda 2. CC 3. Tanaka 4. Nova would be plenty solid, especially with the upgrades on offense. Yankees won and lost a lot of 2-1 and 3-2 type games last year.

James F
1 year 7 months ago

Matt Thornton is the Yankee’s second best bullpen arm. Let that sink in.

Vmmercan
1 year 7 months ago

I would if Shawn Kelly didn’t exist.
Also, let me know when he’s in the rotation so we can get back to talking about starting pitching depth (which I have to believe was the topic since we were discussing, CC, Kuroda and Tanaka, not the potential seventh inning arm against lefties.)

James F
1 year 7 months ago

I would not have made my comment if you didn’t say these two things:

“Yankees won and lost a lot of 2-1 and 3-2 type games last year.”

“…they don’t have a lack of pitching”
—-
Both Shawn Kelley and Matt Thornton aren’t very good.

Vmmercan
1 year 7 months ago

Thornton I’ll give you, but Kelly had a strong season and relievers are notoriously unreliable to begin with. The Yankees have plenty of reliever options. I have maintained I would be more comfortable with Tanaka and a late-inning reliever, but give them Tanaka and I don’t view them as a lack of starting depth in the rotation, which was the initial focus.

Teufelshunde4
1 year 7 months ago

Dont try to bring reality into the equation for Yankee fans.

Naruto9tails
1 year 7 months ago

2 “If”s is 40% of any rotation. You may want rethink that anybody’s bubble has bursted.

Vmmercan
1 year 7 months ago

The whole premise is based on the Yankees landing Tanaka. That’s not an “if”. My point is the Yankees have pitching depth if they land Tanaka, which is the whole point of the conversation, which means the only “if” of current players is whether CC can pitch like a front-end pitcher or not. Name me one rotation in baseball where there isn’t an “if” in it.

danfromfreddybeach
1 year 7 months ago

Dude, the Yankees were 30-16 in 1-run games last year. That was the best in baseball and points to a team that overachieved. They were outscored by 21 runs on the season and by X_WL, they could have ended up with 79 wins instead of 85. Winning the close games is a product of the bullpen.

Vmmercan
1 year 7 months ago

They won a lot of low-scoring one run games. Look, I know all about regression in one run games, extra inning games etc. The Orioles in 2012 compared to 2013 were a perfect example. But the Yankees didn’t win those games because of just the bullpen, they won them close mainly because of the bullpen and a weak offense. If they had any sort of offense from late April-July, those 2-1 games the “bullpen” won would have been 6-3 wins instead. The Orioles didn’t revamp their entire offense last year, the Yankees have improved their offense basically at five or six different positions from the early part of last season.

MB923
1 year 7 months ago

Things can change in a year. Look at Lester in 2012 and Lester in 2013. Don’t be shocked at all if CC rebounds and has a very good year.

Vmmercan
1 year 7 months ago

Not sure that list is numbered top to bottom of rotation.

Realistically, it’s 1. Kuroda 2. CC 3. Tanaka 4. Nova 5. Open competition.

docmilo5
1 year 7 months ago

Bartolo Colon’s age 32 season was in 2005. He didn’t pitch over 100 innings until 2011. 2012 we know why… suspension anyone? I just brought him up because of the body type. Bartolo was just a little overweight. There is no guarantee CC bounces back this year. It may be a steep hill down the other side.

Vmmercan
1 year 7 months ago

So then what are your thoughts on David Wells or Tony Gwynn? Is your argument overweight pitchers can’t last? CC is 6’7″ Bartoli i’m not sure breaks six feet. They wear and use their weight very, very, differently.

Shawn Bronald
1 year 7 months ago

If Tanaka visits Arizona, he’ll never want to leave.

docmilo5
1 year 7 months ago

Yes, he’ll hang out in Peoria at the Mariners complex until April. :)

chris german
1 year 7 months ago

Hahahaha. I’m not a Mariners fan but that’s still pretty funny.

authenhausen
1 year 7 months ago

He sure will visit there, but most of his days will be at camelback ranch in either a blue or black hat

Karkat
1 year 7 months ago

He’d be a non-US citizen in Arizona, they might just instinctively make him leave before they realize what’s happening.

MB923
1 year 7 months ago

Neither did the Dodgers when they had a pool party

Mkat2
1 year 7 months ago

If he’s there in the summer time, yes, he will want to leave! Miserable place!
I know, I have relatives there.

Quikmix
1 year 7 months ago

There should be plenty of rumors that emerge out of these upcoming meetings–plenty of good reading material for the next couple weeks.

I still like the Mariners and the Cubs as possible sleepers here. Yankees will push hard, but Washington’s lack of income tax is always a nice perk.

Vmmercan
1 year 7 months ago

If he’s good, the endorsement difference alone will make it worth it. And before anyone tries to overblow it, in 2012, Felix had 900K in outside endorsements. Derek Jeter had about 12 million.

pft2
1 year 7 months ago

The big endorsements for Tanaka will still come from Japan.

Vmmercan
1 year 7 months ago

You really believe if Tanaka is successful in NY, his endorsement opportunities will be on par with in Seattle? Because I 100% disagree. Whether or not he still gets his biggest endorsements from Japan is irrelevant to that comparison.

Karkat
1 year 7 months ago

Did Hideki Matsui get many endorsements with New York? I feel like Matsuzaka only had one Dunkin spot in Boston. If Tanaka is not very comfortable with English, he won’t be getting a whole lot.

Vmmercan
1 year 7 months ago

Yes, he had about $8 million per year from 2006-2009 (no records from before that that I can find). He made 21 million in 2006 and had a 13 million dollar salary. He was the 9th highest grossing foreign athlete in 2006.

Jack Conness
1 year 7 months ago

Does anyone know how interested the White Sox ACTUALLY are? This is getting me real excited. But I feel like they are just making this a PR stunt.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 7 months ago

hard to gauge actual interest but Tanaka would fit nicely with either Chicago team. Given his age he can help them significantly beyond 2014.

Jack Conness
1 year 7 months ago

Well, I hope the South Side!

Bromacho
1 year 7 months ago

I’d actually go with the WS as well. I’d be wary of joining a team that hasn’t won jack in nearly a decade…

ChiSox__101
1 year 7 months ago

Over a century***

Bromacho
1 year 7 months ago

Thanks for the fix ha

Cubstein
1 year 7 months ago

They haven’t commented at all so no one really knows but perhaps Tanaka and the White Sox FO.

SSMAN96
1 year 7 months ago

I think the Jays stand a chance to land Tanaka with the HUGE asian population… and lots of spending money this off season..we’ll see though

Morley C
1 year 7 months ago

Not again with the “asian population” nonsense. Koreans and Chinese people don’t care about Japanese pitchers, and the Japanese population in the GTA is negligible.

AlexanderMaunu
1 year 7 months ago

If he decides based on Asian population the only real destination is the Giants.

Cyyoung
1 year 7 months ago

Cant wait till this guy faces Major League hitters.

Mark Tabello
1 year 7 months ago

Extended stay in LA for Tanaka means he probably will never visit competing cities which may be a good thing for everyone else considering how bad the weather is the the mid-west and back East. Can’t help but think he will not want to leave LA with the beautiful weather , WS contender , and as much money as he will find elsewhere. I don’t expect Dodgers ownership to get cold feet on dishing out another $150 million or so. Magic is overly motivated to build a juggernaut

I Want My Bird
1 year 7 months ago

There was a previous post referencing Magic so I had to post. You know that Magic chipped in 50 mil for a 2 bil team, so he’s primarily a smiling figurehead. It’s actually hilarious when he’s asked a baseball question, the clich├ęs that come out. It’s Kasten and the rest of the Guggenheim group.

Trock
1 year 7 months ago

Agreed. He is pretty much just a famous head to the group of owners. Someone the public recocgnizes. Perhaps a way to sway more basketball fans to like baseball? Lol

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
1 year 7 months ago

Magic has a track record of putting his money on the line to support local interests, but really he doesn’t seem to know a thing about baseball, and he hardly shows up to games. I honestly thought he’d be a more visible member of the ownership team than he’s been.

Trock
1 year 7 months ago

I don’t watch a lot of Dodgers games, but I have seen him on a few TV spots talking baseball and you are right, he appears to know that the ball is round, little and white and that is about it.
I think he should definitely make his presence known more. Should get out and enjoy more games of a team his money is invested in (albiet a small amount in the grand scheme of things)

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
1 year 7 months ago

I saw him at some playoff games, but I don’t remember seeing him at all during the regular season and my seats are right above the owner’s section. I just happened to be at the first home game after the new owners took over. Magic was there that day, and both Magic and the crowd were loving it. And yet. Tommy still comes to nearly every game and he’s 86 years old.

Gumby65
1 year 7 months ago

The money is Mark Walter.
The Brains are Stan Kasten.
The Known Entity (face of the franchise) is Magic.

Magic is also, in a “semi-figurehead role”, a recruiter of free agents.

Not wrong to refer to Magic as having anything to do with this.

Unless of course making mountains out of molehills is anybody’s thing.

Mark Tabello
1 year 7 months ago

Well aware of that. Magic even said he refers baseball decisions to Stan Kasten and financial decisions to Mark Walter and company. Magic is the recruiter/cheerleader/small investor, no doubt about that. He is the one that is out there touting to the LA public that the Dodgers will overtake the Lakers as LA’s team and that he expects the Dodgers to contend every single year given the market. Same is expected by other owners in large markets. It’s the propogamda that has to happen given the financial stakes

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

Even a SoCal native like myself who follow baseball religiously forgets this fact.

RIYankeeGuy
1 year 7 months ago

The Dodgers have a HUGE extension coming up for Kershaw and another 150+ million for HanRam, so if the Dodgers have a smaller TV deal (7 billion vs 10+ billion) and less annual revenue (320mil vs 570mil) than the Yankees, why are people so convinced LA’s pockets are bottomless?

LA already made their spending splash, accelerating their payroll to the 220 mil range, which seems to be their comfort zone. A Tanaka signing may be insurance for Kershaw leaving, but conversely it could make giving Clayton 275 mil not as easy of a decision.

(EDIT NOTE) Comment was a reply to Mark Tabello’s post below.

Mark Tabello
1 year 7 months ago

Yankees are just as capable of doing this deal as Dodgers. Just saying money is not a issue. Between Beckett, Billingsley, Haren , and Wilson (player option pending) that $47 million off the books for 2015. Even with extensions for Kershaw ( $30 million) , Hanley ($20 million) , those extensions cancel out the money coming off the books. Adding Tanaka isn’t as big of a financial obstacle as it would appear. They can go light on the AAV on the first year and backload the rest of the contract. $10 million in 1st year, $23 million years 2-6? Regardless, not saying the Yankees are afraid to open up the checkbook. Just saying that LAD can do this if they choose

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
1 year 7 months ago

I don’t know where you get the annual revenue figures, but I’ve never heard anyone seriously argue that the Dodgers have “bottomless” pockets. Just deep. Very deep. In addition to revenue, they’ve got billions behind them in ownership and an apparent willingness to invest in the team and stadium. Also, nobody has any real concept of where the new owners are comfortable in terms of payroll. They haven’t even owned the team for two full seasons yet. All that said, I’d still handicap the Tanaka derby in favor of the Yankees, if only because their need is greater.

Mark Tabello
1 year 7 months ago

Just pure speculation on my part given tv money and ticket/merchandise sales. That said its not cheap to operate a MLB team with travel, front office, scouting, advertising, and so many more costs that are not publically stated. Even with all the money coming in its not hard to imagine the team operating at a loss given their desire to invest it into the team/stadium/facility operations. Doesn’t matter cause the team/franchise value grows every year

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
1 year 7 months ago

Right, they also have other sources of revenue, such as merchandise licensing, stadium concessions, parking, and of course ticket sales. The Dodgers could easily be pulling down another $50m+ annually from tickets alone. I don’t see the new owners the running franchise it in the red on any longterm basis, but it has been subjected to decades of disinvestment from two prior owners, and it seems they understand that it required a transfusion.

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

I think he may be referring to the perception that many fans have of the Dodgers. I’ve heard the same thing myself. But even I know they will likely set a limit at some point so they’re not just throwing dynamite into the mine, hoping to strike gold one day.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
1 year 7 months ago

I suspect they have a limit, we just don’t know what it is. We may never really know. Teams rarely advertise such things.

Joel Zamora
1 year 7 months ago

The owners personal pockets are deep.

Cubstein
1 year 7 months ago

Haven’t seen too many owners put in their personal money to fund a payroll.

Joel Zamora
1 year 7 months ago

They wont be using their personal money but they’re so rich that they don’t mind making less than they would w/o tanaka on their payroll.

Cubstein
1 year 7 months ago

Haven’t seen too many owners put in their personal money to fund a payroll.

LA_BLUE_CREW
1 year 7 months ago

one word “guggenheim”

Cubstein
1 year 7 months ago

Dodgers right now will have possibly the highest payroll in history of ANY team and as you state even with the big deal, they aren’t out earning the Yankees. Now people suggest they have room to add a 20 million AAV contract to that?

Dodgers would have to move a contract to get this deal done. And because an owner could fund it with his personal money no owner in baseball does this. And I don’t think they are trying to run a 0 sum game, most of these guys want to earn at least some profit on this project.

pft2
1 year 7 months ago

Those revenue figures don’t include the new deal. Also, LA has a sizable Japanese community and is well located for Japanese tourists. Tanaka probably pays for himself in increased ticket sales, ads, sponsorships, and in stadium merchandise sales.

Also, they may have some signs Kershaw wants to test free agency and is not a certainty to sign an extension.

They will also have Becketts 17 million off the books after 2014, and perhaps Hanley and Kershaw if talks don’t go well.

Chris Solberg
1 year 7 months ago

Meet with five to six teams a day?!?!?! Are the meetings lined up in the airports and he’s flying red-eye flights as well?

Jake
1 year 7 months ago

Well, I’m guessing the teams reps are flying to him

I Want My Bird
1 year 7 months ago

It obviously expedites things, but think about the differences in amenities between Yankee Stadium and Wrigley for example, that maybe he doesn’t get a chance to see. I took a tour of the clubhouse and facilities at Chase Field, pretty ordinary I thought.

Cubstein
1 year 7 months ago

Seems to me to suggest money is the key. Or perhaps he takes the best offers and then visits the stadiums to make the final decision.

pft2
1 year 7 months ago

Just an initial interview to screen out the curiosity seekers and those most interested. Probably gives them a specific format for the initial proposal, time table and a minimum starting point on years and dollars. I imagine teams will have a short time to make a presentation on the strength of their organization and city. Teams that can’t make a bilingual presentation will probably lose points;

Cubstein
1 year 7 months ago

I don’t think he’ll appreciate being offered short term proposals. If we aren’t starting at 6-7 years at least in the 17 million maybe 20 Million AAV range, he might not want to continue any meetings. Time is short, need to start getting serious offers. Just over two weeks left.

ice_hawk10
1 year 7 months ago

Sounds like the angels are the front runners for Garza, so I don’t see them landing Tanaka. The Dodgers have the money, but not the desperation for pitching that Arizona, Toronto or New York have. I think they’ll be heavily in the mix but ultimately won’t sign him. The Chicago teams would be a fit, but they aren’t on the right side of the win curve to make a major outlay of cash with so many contending teams in the running for Tanaka as well. And you’d have to figure that all things being equal Tanaka would rather plan for a team with a chance to win right away. The only other team I’d put in there is the Mariners. They aren’t necessarily desperate for pitching, but they could use an extra arm and I’m sure they could convince ownership to pony up the dough, especially for a Japanese star. Yankees, Dodgers, Blue Jays, Mariners, Diamondbacks; roughly in that order.

Rally Weimaraner
1 year 7 months ago

The Angels would go after Tanaka or Garza not both, Garza is more than likely their backup plan if they can’t sign Tanaka.

Mark Tabello
1 year 7 months ago

Either option and its a huge win for the Angels this offseason. They get the pitching they desperately needed and still have their #1 pick in a very deep 2014 draft year. They just need to stay healthy ( mainly Pujols and J-Ham) and they will be a very improved team

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

Agreed on the huge win part. I think their 2014 season hinges more on their pitching improving than getting good production from Pujols and Hamilton. League average pitching probably would’ve gotten them to the playoffs in 2013, even with Pujols out for the season and Hamilton having a terrible first half.

dshires4
1 year 7 months ago

Last year, our starters were Aaron Harang and Joe Saunders. Yes, we are desperate for pitching. And rightfully so. Going out and admitting that you’re desperate for pitching is just bad leverage against free agents.

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

I don’t think teams really have to admit when they’re desperate. The whole world knows which teams are desperate for what these days, especially with today’s easy access to information.

RyanWKrol
1 year 7 months ago

The Angels are going after Tanaka with Garza as their contingency plan. Or, Arte Moreno could surprise everyone again (after saying the Angels don’t have enough flexibility “again”), and go after both. I’ve learned by now to be in “wait and see mode” when Arte expresses his apparent financial limitations regarding payroll. Don’t be surprised if they suddenly dart past the luxury tax threshold.

The Dodgers aren’t desperate for pitching, but they could still use some more younger arms. Who knows if Dan Haren will return to being Dan Haren again?

But I have this strange feeling the team that signs Tanaka may be a team that is getting very little attention in these discussions.

ice_hawk10
1 year 7 months ago

I can’t see him going much of anywhere else than the teams listed. Only Washington would seem to potentially have the money, and that’s the overriding factor here.

ice_hawk10
1 year 7 months ago

Or I suppose the Red Sox, you can probably lump them in with the Dodgers as a team that has the money but not the need.

bill leff
1 year 7 months ago

All of a sudden, the White Sox pop up. I know anyone willing promise 20 million can play, but this is interesting. Kenny Williams was in LA, instead of at the Frank Thomas HOF press conference, dealing with what called something like previously discussed things. Hmmm.