Amaro: Phillies Have Not Considered Releasing Howard

FRIDAY: Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. “emphatically” denied reports suggesting that the team was considering a release of Howard, writes CSNPhilly.com’s Jim Salisbury“That is not something we are contemplating,” Amaro told Salisbury. “I don’t know where that’s coming from.” Later in the interview, Amaro repeated that releasing Howard “has not been a thought” and added that Howard “should have no concerns” about being released.

Amaro did note that a platoon situation was a possibility if it improved the club’s production, but he said his real hope was to get Howard’s bat back on track. “I don’t expect him to be the Ryan Howard of 2006, 2007, 2008,” said Amaro. “What we expect is him to perform better than he is. I know he’s a better player than this.”

THURSDAY: Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com has some additional details on Philadelphia’s efforts to deal Howard. The club has shopped him, indicating that it would eat “much or most” of his remaining salary. Rival executives say that Philly is working hard to line up a match.

As Heyman notes, an American League team would seem most likely to add the former MVP, and two GMs told him yesterday that Howard was probably worth between $3MM and $5MM annually at this point. (Though presumably that does not mean that a multi-year commitment at that price would be desirable.)

WEDNESDAY: As his struggles worsen, the Phillies have had internal discussions about releasing one-time star first baseman Ryan Howard after the season, reports Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. Howard is owed the rest of his $25MM salary this season and comes with $60MM in future guarantees.

It does not appear that the club has reached any finality in regards to Howard’s future. The possibility of a trade has been explored, but Philadelphia has not found another club interested in taking on any substantial part of Howard’s contract. That is not surprising, of course, given that the 34-year-old is slashing a career-low .224/.305/.377 through 417 plate appearances on the year.

Now, with Howard’s decline becoming more pronounced, Philadelphia appears set to give more playing time to younger first base option Darin Ruf, who was recalled today. Manager Ryne Sandberg did not call it a platoon situation, but suggested as much. “As far as the lineup, that will be a day-to-day thing,” he said. “I think it’s important to see what a guy like Darin Ruf can do also going forward,” the skipper added.

Howard signed his extension at the start of the 2010 season, coming off of a four-year run in which he put up a composite .278/.379/.589 line and hit 198 home runs. Though he continued to produce at an above-average clip at the plate for two more seasons, things began to head south when he tore his Achilles tendon while making the last out of the team’s Game 5 loss in the 2011 NLDS. (That, of course, was also the Phils’ most recent postseason game.) Since that time, Howard — long considered a substandard fielder and baserunner — has mustered only 917 trips to the plate and owns an OPS that falls below league average.


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190 Comments on "Amaro: Phillies Have Not Considered Releasing Howard"


sflomenb
1 year 1 month ago

Best news ever

ROR1997
1 year 1 month ago

Watch the yankees swoop in, take on Lee, Howard and Hammels salary for Sanchez and a Single A arm.

Phillyfan425
1 year 1 month ago

Sure…you can have this “Hammels” fellow, whoever he happens to be.

Jaysfan724
1 year 1 month ago

I think he meant Jason Hammel’s salary…he can stay in Oakland, the Yankees will just take on his salary.

Bill Tull
1 year 1 month ago

I wouldn’t give you Sanchez in that deal

ROR1997
1 year 1 month ago

I’m a tanks fan and I would. Have you seen the kid play in person? There’s nothing special about him. Sell while his stock is high. He’s worse than Montero

Tko11
Tko11
1 year 1 month ago

I like tanks too although they are a bit violent.

GetToTheChoppa
1 year 1 month ago

GTA online needs to get rid of tanks

Travis2014
1 year 1 month ago

Heard the A’s are considering a move to Los Santos.

sunshipballoons
1 year 1 month ago

If the Yankees (or any team) were to take on Howard’s contract, I think that’s what they’d be giving up for Lee and Hamels. Even a marginal prospect on top of that would seem like too much.

NotCanon
1 year 1 month ago

Lee and Hamels? No. No, it’d still take some solid prospects (though obviously not top-10-in-baseball types). You might be able to get Lee out of that, but even Hamels alone would cost you more.

sunshipballoons
1 year 1 month ago

The reality is that, unless they give up a ton, there is no way the Phillies will find anybody to take on Howard’s bloated contract. I agree that, if I were the Phillies, I wouldn’t trade Lee and Hamels to make it happen; on the other hand, if I were any other team, I wouldn’t take on Howard without that kind of deal (or maybe one of them, Franco and another prospect).

NotCanon
1 year 1 month ago

Right, but there’s no point to that. The Phillies don’t need salary relief – the FA market this year just doesn’t have the talent to put them right back into the hunt for next year, and they don’t have the near-MLB prospects to supplement what they’d get.

It’s far easier to just ride out Howard’s contract (or, as indicated was a possibility in the article, release him) and deal with the financial fallout for all of 2 years (during which time their new, ~$200MM/year TV contract kicks in).

If this was the Orioles, then yes, the money would be more of an issue. However, the Phillies are pretty financially set to deal with any sub-CBT-level salary.

sunshipballoons
1 year 1 month ago

From a fan perspective, sure. But the Phillies aren’t going to be in playoff contention of the course of Hamels and Lee’s contracts, so from the owners’ perspective why not dump their salaries too and get out from under Howard’s massive contract, too. Very little downside for them, other than fan backlash. Financially, it would probably make more sense to save that money.

NotCanon
1 year 1 month ago

Ownership would much rather have a prospect who could turn into a great player that would drive gate revenue for 6+ years than they would a 2-year salary reprieve on Howard – especially since next year is the first that their new TV deal begins – effectively increasing their income by more than the cost of the entire team’s salary.

Getting out from under $70MM over 3 years doesn’t make sense if it mitigates the return you’d get from guys who are actually worth something. Especially when you’re increasing your income by almost triple that annually. The best return on their monetary investment would be to make moves that would again return CBP to daily sold-out crowds (45K fans/game * 81 games/season * mean ticket price of $55 = $200.5MM in gate revenues alone), and would hasten their return to playoff baseball (extra games * higher cost seats = more money). Selling their best current assets to simply void their worst current money sink is not an efficient way to do that.

Also, Hamels, is contracted through 2019.

Doug
1 year 1 month ago

If the Phils take ARod back…sold!

Sliders
1 year 1 month ago

As a straight up trade, Howard and his salary for Rodriguez and his salary…….I’d do that in a second if I’m the Phillies. I have more faith in ARod going forward than Howard.

Kamoteng Baging
1 year 1 month ago

Didn’t know ARod was a Phillies.

Douglas Bath
1 year 1 month ago

he’s not on the Phillies roster. that’s why it would be a trade.

Kamoteng Baging
1 year 1 month ago

I know he was not a Phillies at anytime in his career. I was being facetious.

This was dougsmash words:

“If the Phils take ARod back…sold!”

Keyword “back”. Which means he was at one point a member of Phillies.

Douglas Bath
1 year 1 month ago

I assume “back” means “in return” in his post. Not everyone uses full sentences and proper grammar. I’ve learned to roll with it and try to find what the person really meant.

East Coast Bias
1 year 1 month ago

Release? That means there are 25 other players better than him on the Phillies roster. And they’re willing to give away 60m for nothing.

I don’t buy it.

Chris_RG
1 year 1 month ago

Seeing as he has below-replacement-level value, it’s safe to say they could find someone as good or better who’s younger to play 1B.

Howard is a sunk cost for all intents and purposes. They’re going to pay him regardless.

The Virus
1 year 1 month ago

fans are tired of seeing him play. im not sure if you are a Phillies fan, but honestly I cant stand when he comes up to bat. watch him one game, the way he stands, the pitches he swings at, the look on his face as he walks back to the dugout. fans are done with him.

Mike Query
1 year 1 month ago

Id be pretty jealous if you guys did this and we kept Uggla as long as we did.

Kevin Reardon
1 year 1 month ago

There’s at least an OK 1st baseman on the Phils 25 man right now in Darin Ruf, certainly at least better than a forever hobbled Howard.

Michael Fisher
1 year 1 month ago

Are you sure about ruff, batting around .260 in triple a, has showed little power and hasn’t shown he has he ability to knock in runs. Also an awful strikeout rate. I wouldn’t say he is an ok first baseman.

Sliders
1 year 1 month ago

Unless you are running Ryan Howard out there day after day after day after year after year.

East Coast Bias
1 year 1 month ago

But we aren’t talking about replacing his position, we’re talking about replacing his roster spot.

Darian Ruf can be the 1st baseman. That wasn’t my point. I refuse to believe Howard cannot fulfill some type of role on the 25 man roster, given his monster salary. He can be the Matt Stairs, I don’t care. But to outright release him and eat 60m is ridiculous.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

I think they would release him out of respect for him, his at bats truly are depressing. I feel awful for him everytime he goes to the plate.

Ryan
1 year 1 month ago

He can be Matt Stairs? You mean Ryan Howard can join the broadcast team? Ok, sounds good…..

NotCanon
1 year 1 month ago

There’d be more constant reminders of how awesome he was when he was doing great, at least.

How many times have we seen the Matt Stairs LA moonshots this season?

John Smith
1 year 1 month ago

When will teams ever learn!! Long, bloated contracts! No sympathy for the phillies. Serves them right.

Stuart Brown
1 year 1 month ago

This has less to do with the long contract and more to do with Howard’s specific skillset.

Sliders
1 year 1 month ago

Though his power could have reasonably aged better than it did.

Kamoteng Baging
1 year 1 month ago

Phillies never learned.

They did that with Abreu, Liberthal era. All of them stars got lazy, unproductive after they signed the long term big money no trade contract.

Gillick came on board and it coincided with Rollins, Utley, Howard and Hamels coming up from the minors. Gillick’s was once quoted as long term contracts creates complacency. He rarely signs anyone to more than 3 years contract.

Then Ruben Amaro happened.

You all know the rest of the story.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

They had no choice. Who was going to come in and replace these guys. Their farm system produced no fill ins and if you look at the guys they’ve traded non of them have panned out.

W.G
1 year 1 month ago

Does anyone know how much money it would cost phills to just outright release him? How much would they have to eat?

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
1 year 1 month ago

Everything left on the contract minus league minimum assuming a team signed him at that price.

sunshipballoons
1 year 1 month ago

I don’t see him getting a league minimum contract. Maybe he gets a minor league deal.

Chris_RG
1 year 1 month ago

I think he could. An AL team desperate for offense could try him at DH and hope that he would put up numbers closer to what he put up in 2013, in which case he’d provide some value at that price.

Tesseract
1 year 1 month ago

He will definitely get a league minimum deal

Kingmojo101
1 year 1 month ago

About 85 mil give or take,and does that mean Vernon wells was worth more than howard was interns of contract and production… The yanks did trade for him.

Jeff Miller
1 year 1 month ago

In total it’s a little under $70M. $50M 2015-’16, $10M buyout and about $9M left this year.

Mike Query
1 year 1 month ago

It says it right in the article…

Oldredgunslinger
1 year 1 month ago

How in the world has Rueben Amaro kept his job?? Does he have incriminating pictures of the owner??

sunshipballoons
1 year 1 month ago

Owners are cheap and he has a long term contract.

Mike Query
1 year 1 month ago

The owners are cheap? You have the third highest payroll in baseball.

Sliders
1 year 1 month ago

The players are not cheap and have long term contracts.

KW
1 year 1 month ago

Phillies ownership is notorious for sticking with “their guys” through thick and (mostly) thin. Other than one roid-fueled year (1993) and a smart draft/development system led by Mike Arbuckle (now in KC) which built the 2005-2011 teams, the Phillies have been mostly terrible since this group bought the team in the early 80s.

Monk81
1 year 1 month ago

Tell that to Davey Lopes

Ryan
1 year 1 month ago

He was never really “one of us” to the Phillies front office because of the rivalries in the late 70’s with the Dodgers where Lopes was a key part of the LA teams.

Monk81
1 year 1 month ago

The same George W Bush got into Yale–Primogenature

rct
1 year 1 month ago

Poll: worst contract considering all elements (duration, amount, tradability, production, etc) – Ryan Howard or Vernon Wells?

The Virus
1 year 1 month ago

that may be a tie, good comparison though :)

Jaynestown
1 year 1 month ago

I’d say Ryan Howard. Vernon Wells could at least play the outfield and even had that one game he was forced to play third base

WindsorJaysFan
1 year 1 month ago

Wells was statistically the best defensive CF of all time for a number of years.

ztoa
1 year 1 month ago

Statistically, Howard was one of the best offensive power bats of all time for a number of years – fewest games to 100-250 hrs. Too bad none of those 25 MM years came during any of his peak performance years.

Jaysfan1994
1 year 1 month ago

Statistically Ryan Howard had one season where he posted a 5.0WAR or more and it was the one where he hit 58 homers.

He’s such a bad fielder and baserunner he’s actually costing his team runs when he’s out on the field/on the bases. He’s a prototypical “baseclogger” that needs his teammates to hit a homerun to drive him in, or 3 singles out of the infield in a row.

ztoa
1 year 1 month ago

bwar or fwar, and before his Achilles tear he wasn’t a baseclogger

Douglas Bath
1 year 1 month ago

yes he was. negative Rbaser on B-R-dotcom for every single season of his career. many people said he was overrated. But Phillies fans kept pointing to RBI totals and an idea he was “clutch” while ignoring he had more RBI opportunities than any player in baseball.

ztoa
1 year 1 month ago

3103 PAs to get 220 HR and 635 RBIs. Pujols, A Rod, Dunn, Ortiz, Teixeira, Cabrera, Berkman, etc.. all had more PAs than him and less HR/RBIs.

Douglas Bath
1 year 1 month ago

a one dimensional player. very good at that one thing. hitting home runs.
career WAR of +18.6, which is behind such stars as Chase Headley.
there is a reason nobody wants him. he’s a DH who can no longer hit.

ztoa
1 year 1 month ago

There are 25 million reasons. If he had some reasonable contract he’d have been traded a while ago.

Jaysfan1994
1 year 1 month ago

He was a -4 baserunner in 2006 so I have no clue what your argument is.

ztoa
1 year 1 month ago

Do you use this argument when you talk about Miguel Cabrera too?

Jaysfan1994
1 year 1 month ago

Ryan Howard isn’t hitting .330 every year with 30+ homers, will you use this argument when he’s released in a week?

monkeyking42
1 year 1 month ago

Which years, and by which stat?

UZR did like him for a 4 year stretch from 2004-2007, but he rated below Corey Patterson, Aaron Rowand and waaay below Andruw Jones.

TZ had him tops in baseball from 2006-2007, just ahead of Jones, but there’s a reason people pretty much stopped using TZ when UZR and DRS came along.

NotCanon
1 year 1 month ago

The worst contract? Probably Prince Fielder.

chalk1973
1 year 1 month ago

Wells

indybucfan
1 year 1 month ago

And the experts on MLB Network think the Pirates should trade for him.

Chris_RG
1 year 1 month ago

Sounds like something Harold Reynolds would say.

Jaynestown
1 year 1 month ago

If the Pirates had to pay 0% of his salary, could probably find a spot for him in Altoona

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

I think they just threw a dart and randomly selected a team with a need at 1st. At this point only an EXTREMELY old school type of baseball man thinks Ryan Howard can still help a team.

indybucfan
1 year 1 month ago

No actually, what the “experts” choose to look at is the name on the back of the jersey instead of what he’s capable of in the here and now.

KJ4realz
1 year 1 month ago

Since it’s seems as though he would be picked up rather quickly if released, why not trade him and eat 90% of the contract? You’d get something in return instead of getting absolutely nothing while still paying 100% of the deal.

Kamoteng Baging
1 year 1 month ago

Phillies were basically offering him for free. No trades. Just take him. No one wants him.

Douglas Bath
1 year 1 month ago

pay 10% of that contract? no thanks. $2,500,000 per year is still too much for a below replacement level player.

Allismileo
1 year 1 month ago

What would the Phillies gain by releasing Howard?

Jeff Miller
1 year 1 month ago

It would open a spot for Darin Ruf and their 2nd best prospect Maikel Franco. Considering how poorly Howard has played over the last 2.5 years, they can’t keep sending him out there if the objective is to win.

BitLocker
1 year 1 month ago

That would be kind of waste of money. At worse, Lillies should put Howard as a bench player/platoon setup. The team won’t be competing this year or next year.

Jeff Miller
1 year 1 month ago

He’s got no value as a bench/platoon guy. He doesn’t hit RHP or LHP and is a terrible defensive 1B. It’s a bad situation, but there is really no point in keeping him around at this point.

Monk81
1 year 1 month ago

But it would be humiliating for Howard. That alone would justify making him a 25th man

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

baseball doesn’t care about humility, there’s no crying in baseball

Douglas Bath
1 year 1 month ago

he has no value, and worse than that… he has negative value. The Phillies would trade Ryan Howard and Chase Utley for a hot dog or a diet Pepsi if they could get that deal done. Chase Utley is a good player, but it takes his positive value just to offset the negative value that Ryan Howard has.

Allismileo
1 year 1 month ago

But would they save any money by just releasing him?- he must have some value- and it would be nice to see them free up some of that money. I don’t see Ruf as any type of improvement and Franco hasn’t proved he can hit at triple A yet

Mike Query
1 year 1 month ago

Explain how “he must have some value”?

Jeff Miller
1 year 1 month ago

He’s got no value because he doesn’t consistently hit any pitching and is terrible defensively. If the Phillies released him at most he’d get a spring training invite for next year with nothing guaranteed.

Ruf might not be an improvement, but at least it’s an attempt to make a change. Franco has started to turn things around at AAA hitting over .350 in July with a lot of XBH. Remember he’s only 21 and some 6-7 years younger than the average player in the IL. Some growing pains were to be expected.

Michael Fisher
1 year 1 month ago

Ruf isn’t an option. And Asche’s struggles at 3b make Franco more attractive at 3b. The objective can’t be to win now, that was ruined over the years of jeopardizing the future with nonsense trades

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

They didn’t jeopardize the future at all none of the players they’ve traded have panned out which is why prospects are overrated in this game. They wouldn’t be contenders now if they kept everyone and wouldn’t have made the playoffs in 2009, 2010, or 2011.

What’s cost this team is poor free agent signings and a poor allocation of resources. If they spent their money smarter in the 2011 and 2012 off seasons they could conceivably have contended in 2012 and 2013.

The only guy they didn’t trade, the only one who was a true can’t miss #1 type prospect has been a bust and that’s Domonic Brown. It’ll be years before any of those guys show their true potential (if they do at all) and by then the Phillies may have a solid young core themselves (Franco, Crawford, Quinn, Nola, Giles.. maybe Asche, I’m not sold that he’s an every day third baseman on a contending team) and serious TV money.

Michael Fisher
1 year 1 month ago

See Dominga Santana, Jared Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, even Worley are guys that look to have a good future. I wouldn’t say not all, but I didn’t mean just the guys they traded away. What did they receive for Lee, Pence, Victorino, etc… not close to what they traded for those guys as top of the line prospects. Easily could’ve had guys step in for aging players such as Singleton for Howard, a top young pitcher in Cosart.

They have some guys who may pan out in the future, but those all are years away minus Giles. But their minor league system became depleted. A few years ago it was highly regarded, now it’s viewed as one of the worst in baseball. If they move on from Howard they still have a hole at first amongst plenty of other problems.

Phillies_Aces35
1 year 1 month ago

I don’t know what they were supposed to get for Victorino. There were serious questions about his ability to be an everyday player considering the numbers he was putting up when they traded him.

I might’ve kept Pence in hindsight but at the time Tommy Joseph projected as Ruiz’s successor. Concussions have completely derailed his career which happens and they essentially traded Lee for Halladay given the order from David Montgomery to trade Lee or don’t acquire Halladay.

I don’t think any of the players traded for Hunter Pence are going to be anything more than average regulars at this point or in Cosart’s case: a mid rotation starter. There’s so many red flags with all of them at this point.

According to MLB.com if the Phillies moved Franco to first base on a permanent basis he would’ve ranked higher than Singleton in their position by position prospect rankings.

Mike Query
1 year 1 month ago

They could play a player that doesnt have negative value, heck, maybe even the guy would help.

Cam
1 year 1 month ago

The Phillies make so much sense, that they are considering releasing Ryan Howard at the end of the season..and they still batted him cleanup yesterday.

Sounds like there’s a bit of a disconnect.

Jaysfan1994
1 year 1 month ago

They’re trying to keep the average fan from catching on that he’s been horrible for years. It’s like Brian McCann batting #4 in the Yankee lineup.

You get RBI’s and the average Joe looks at his stat line and thinks he’s doing better then he actually is.

Tanthalas
1 year 1 month ago

The Phillies are just that bad. Other than Byrd, there isn’t a halfway legitimate cleanup hitter on that team. Must be depressing to be a Phils fan and have to watch that lineup every day.

Mike1L
1 year 1 month ago

Howard needs to be with an AL team, where he can DH and only occasionally play the field. The problem is his sinking OBA, which makes him more of a “two true outcome” player (strike out or home run) and seriously diminishes his remaining value. He needs someone to take a chance on him, but as long as RA thinks he should get something good back and not send too much money to the acquirer, it’s not going to happen. The problem for the Phillies is that there really isn’t a palatable outcome that they can see without taking a substantial risk. They can keep playing Howard and stifle their younger talent. But if they trade or release him and Howard can return to even a 2 WAR player (not impossible if he could bring his OBA back up) they will be kicking themselves for years.

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

It doesn’t matter what division he’s in, he still won’t be able to hit, I would think the AL has better pitchers and would be worse for howards hitting.

Monk81
1 year 1 month ago

If by AL, you mean American Legion, I agree wholeheartedly

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

Explain to me, how, by changing to the AL would make him hit any better??? His fielding doesn’t get him on base any more. First base is by far the best place him. He’s not racking up errors as far as I can see.

Kamoteng Baging
1 year 1 month ago

To be a DH you actually need hit, yes?

There seems to be a simple formula that pitchers used against Howard over and over again. Down and away. It’s almost like a dog and a ball situation. He just can’t help himself.

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

Anybody else agree with me that Reid Brignac is a very under rated player right now. He has a lot of potential. Reminds me of an Erik Kratz type player.

Jeff Miller
1 year 1 month ago

He just came off the DL 2 days ago. He’s had some big hits, but he’s not some unknown guy. He’s been in the league for awhile. If he’s an Erik Kratz type, that’s not a lot of potential.

Kinda feel like you’re just trolling, but it’s the internet so you never know.

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

Erik Kratz was a solid utility man who won a lot of games for the phillies. We had a lot of those guys over the past few years that we let go and could have been cheap. Wilson Valdez, Kevin Frandson, just to name a few.

Jeff Miller
1 year 1 month ago

Sure, but you don’t build around decent utility guys. They’re nice to have, but there’s a reason they generally move from team to team.

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

Though Billy Beane builds his team off of guys like that, and he has been successful. Ok no world series, but overall sucessful

Monk81
1 year 1 month ago

You forgot Ty Wigginton and Laynce Nix

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

Matt Stairs was probably the best, still one of my best memories of 08 is Stairs home run in game 5 of the NLCS

NotCanon
1 year 1 month ago

Erik Kratz was a backup catcher. He’s now no longer as good as a backup catcher, which is why he was DFA’d.

Ted
1 year 1 month ago

Reid Brignac does not have potential at this point. He’s a 28 year old former prospect who has OPS’d just .587 in 889 plate appearances over 327 games. Even this season he’s got 24 strikeouts in 66 at bats. Not good for a utility guy you want to use off the bench as a pinch hitter.

citizen
1 year 1 month ago

sounds like a perfect candidate for the yankees.

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

brian cashman is too smart for that

raltongo
1 year 1 month ago

At this point it seems quite apparent that not even an average prospect will come back in a Ryan Howard trade…so its about money now…you’re tellin’ me that that Yankees and Phillies couldn’t sit down and say, ‘okay, 50/50…each of us pays around 30 mil for Ryan Howard to play on the Yanks for 2 years” …. I think the Yanks do it…what is a mere 30 million in baseball contracts these days anyway?

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

but why sit down and talk trade if its just over money? Yanks can sit an wait for a release then the philies are eating all of howards contract. Don’t think there will be teams jumping at howard for 30 mil, hes not worth that much money.

NotCanon
1 year 1 month ago

Because they’re not going to release him. There’s no point to releasing him unless they feel like he’s taking up a spot on the 25-man roster that someone in the minor leagues could use. He isn’t – primarily because there’s nobody knocking on the door of the bigs – so there’s no reason to just release him.

zimzyma
1 year 1 month ago

His home/away splits are very pronounced this year, 65 OPS+ vs 120 h/a. Something tells me he could resurrect his career in the AL as a DH or a platoon player without the weight of the contract on his shoulders. If the Phil’s eat 40-45 mil they might get a decent prospect back and save a good chunk of $ vs cutting him .

Jeff Miller
1 year 1 month ago

I doubt that they’d get anything decent in return even if they took on about $60M. While there is a decent gap in his home/road splits this year, that’s not the case for his career. There aren’t many teams that have a need for a 1B/DH type and Howard also has a NTC.

Monk81
1 year 1 month ago

His stats against RHP this year–.229/.314/.368–even taking the contract out of the equation, Howard is simply not good enough to play MLB at this point.

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

Ryan Howard = Kenny Powers (at least a hitting kenny powers) this is a joke by the way

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

So they are putting charlie on the wall of fame this year. Anyone else think that Fregosi should had maybe got it this year?

ztoa
1 year 1 month ago

What’s worse? The collective wasted salaries of Contreras, Baez, Blanton, Moyer, Schneider, Willis, Qualls, Romero, and Adams OR Howard?

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

I have a hard time putting Blanton, and Moyer in that group. Blanton played a big part in winning the world series in 08. Moyer was a great guy to have in that rotation to teach the younger guys. Probably a good reason hammels is as good as he is now.

ztoa
1 year 1 month ago

You’re referencing pre WS contracts, sorry this is the Post WS deals..

Fetty007
1 year 1 month ago

but Howards deal is still worse than all of them, because Howard could be considered similar talent to the rest of them, but the other guys didn’thave big contracts

Pegasus
1 year 1 month ago

Talk about a fall from grace…

Gumby65
1 year 1 month ago

“Internal discussions”? I am sure Mr. Salisbury will continue to get the red carpet rolled out for him in the clubhouse and management suite.

Donnie Bandera
1 year 1 month ago

Basically – The Phillies eat all but $20 million left on his contract and any of those teams would be getting a better DH then they have now or will lose via FA after this season. CJ Cron for Kendrick + Howard to Angels + all that cash? S. Vogt + T. Milone for Howard and Rollins to A’s? Byrd and Howard to Seattle for Franklin+Elias?

Jaysfan1994
1 year 1 month ago

Nobody wants Howard, he’s a horrible baserunner and offers no defense. If he isn’t hitting 30+ homers a year, he offers no value.

Donnie Bandera
1 year 1 month ago

There are 15 teams that have a DH – no defense required.
Of the 15 DH’s playing now, who IS a good baserunner???
How many will hit 30 HR’s? (Ortiz and Cruz) Howard is on a pace for 25 HR and 100 RBI – as far as DH’s go, that would make him the 3rd best DH in Baseball… No Value? I have to highly disagree.

stl_cards16
1 year 1 month ago

Ryan Howard has an 88 WRC+. That means he is a below average MLB hitter. If that is the 3rd best DH in baseball then the whole “NL pitchers get an extra free out” is WAY overblown. Ryan Howard has no value.