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hojostache
So, Jon Niese doesn’t sound so useless now…eh?
thecoffinnail
I don’t recall anyone ever saying he was useless.. I have heard expensive, shoulder worries, and so-so pitcher, but never useless.. He could throw batting practice for the Phillies and he would still be considered useful..
hojostache
Swap out “useless” for “little to no value”. A team who needs a backend #3 or top #4 to win some games down the stretch would definitely benefit from trading for him.
zxcx
I can’t actually recall (seemingly educated) people saying he’s useless. Teams in need of back end rotational help could surely benefit from having him on their staff. What has been said repeatedly, and rightfully so, is that he doesn’t have much value at all on the market, which still holds true.
theo2016
He is still pretty useless. An extra half a win from replacement level is such a marginal upgrade.
RobM
Mets fans will overvalue him, non Mets fans will undervalue him. He’s a 28-year-old lefty who has averaged 2-2.5 fWAR the past four seasons. Under team control through next season, with the potential for team options for two more years. Based on the cost of a win, he’s more than reasonably priced. They’d have no problem moving him if that’s what they want.
A'sfaninUK
He’s not useless, he’s just not worth that much on the trade market. If the Mets can get a top 100-200 prospect for him or a blocked position player who is under 26 they should consider that a win. His contract is the big issue: if you take him, you are taking on a guaranteed $10M for 2016 plus whatever is left of his 2015 salary. Talent-wise, he’s fine, but most teams would like to get a higher ceiling at a $10+M investment.
hojostache
1. What “higher ceiling” guy is out there that isn’t going to cost premium talent?
2. In regard to $’s, his fWAR (as mentioned above) is worth it.
3. In his last 5 years he has averaged 170 innings pitched, with a low of 143 and a high of 190. His MPH may be down on his FB, but he still pitches effectively. His stats slot him as league average…which is a backend 3 on most teams and a 4 on almost everyone else.
theo2016
Matt shoemaker, dan haren, mat latos. If he was so good why wouldnt they trade bartolo colon and keep niese…