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Reactions To And Effects Of Ruben Amaro’s Dismissal

By Steve Adams | September 11, 2015 at 9:54am CDT

The Phillies made a move that many felt to be inevitable yesterday when they announced that Ruben Amaro Jr.’s contract would not be extended, and assistant GM Scott Proefrock would become interim GM immediately as the team began its search for a new full-time general manager. Plenty has already been written about the decision and what it means for the Phillies’ future, and here are some early reactions and aftereffects in the wake of the fifth front-office shakeup we’ve seen in about two months’ time…

  • Amaro’s firing was “only a matter of time,” writes ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick, but he did well to position his successor for a quick turnaround with recent trades of Cole Hamels, Jonathan Papelbon, Chase Utley and others. Crasnick lists former Angels GM Jerry Dipoto, former Cubs GM Jim Hendry and current Royals assistant GM J.J. Picollo as potential candidates, also noting that former Red Sox GM Ben Cherington isn’t likely to pursue any GM opening at present, thus removing him from consideration. President-to-be Andy MacPhail told Crasnick that he isn’t limiting himself to targeting a specific “type” of GM (e.g. a young, analytically savvy candidate or a more traditional, scouting-based GM). Said MacPhail to Crasnick: “Let’s look at a wide spectrum of candidates. You might be surprised.”
  • MacPhail said at yesterday’s press conference (via MLB.com’s Paul Hagen) that while he will, of course, have a role in roster decisions and general baseball operations — “…let’s face it, I’m not here for my marketing acumen,” he joked — any GM he hires will have a good deal of power. “I’ve had GMs under me before,” said MacPhail. “If you talk to them, I think they feel like they had a fair amount of autonomy, which I think is important to them to be able to do their job. They can’t be in short pants running back to the president every time they have to make a decision. … They should keep me apprised, but that is a balance I’m going to have to strike.”
  • MacPhail feels that it would be ideal to have a new GM in place by the time the Phillies hold their organizational meetings on Oct. 26, writes Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com, but he admitted that said timeline may be a bit “ambitious.” Hiring an outside-the-box thinker is key to the hire, whether he comes from an analytical background or scouting background, writes Salisbury, though if the selection is of the latter variety, MacPhail will look to add to his analytics department in other ways. Proefrock, who has worked for MacPhail in the past (with the Orioles) will receive some consideration for the full-time position, per Salisbury, but Angels assistant GM Matt Klentak could be the early favorite. Klentak, whose name has been mentioned in connection with the Phillies’ presumed GM vacancy in the past, was the Orioles’ director of baseball ops while MacPhail served as president. Also named by Salisbury are Dipoto, Picollo, Hendry, Yankees AGM Billy Eppler, Giants scouting director John Barr and Angels pro scouting director Hal Morris.
  • Partial owner John Middleton offered his take at yesterday’s presser as well, Salisbury notes, stating that he wants MacPhail to find a young version of himself. “And I say that because, 30 years ago, a very young Andy MacPhail was a general manager, a newly minted general manger at that,” said Middleton. “This guy was sitting in an office in Minneapolis and he was playing with mathematical, statistical, analytical tools. And he was using them to try to figure out how he could make better evaluations and therefore better personnel decisions. Andy was constantly pushing himself to get better.” (Salisbury has a second piece with further, more in-depth quotes from the press conference for those interested.)
  • Interim manager Pete Mackanin has a good chance at returning in 2016, sans the “interim” label, writes MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki. “I would encourage everybody not to make any assumptions about what’s happening today to have any domino impact on the manager,” said MacPhail. “…I know the tradition is that the GM picks his manager. I’ll just go full disclosure here, if that happens, and it takes you a while to find a GM and then he gets consumed the first month or two with a manager and coaching staff, look how much of the offseason we’ve lost. That’s a high price to pay.” MacPhail said the best way to measure a manager is by the energy, effort and enthusiasm he gets out of whatever talent is provided to him, and Mackanin has shined in that area thus far.
  • MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro tweets that he expects to see Dan Jennings’ name connected to the Phillies’ GM opening if he does not return to his former post as Marlins general manager following the season.
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  1. start_wearing_purple

    10 years ago

    More Reactions to Amaro’s dismissal:
    Phillies fans – “Yes!”
    The rest of the NL East – “Well that was fun while it lasted”
    Amaro – “That took a lot longer than I thought it would.”

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  2. New Law Era

    10 years ago

    A lot of peeps out there for the Phillies to consider. Anthopoulos is a darkhorse if the Blue Jays don’t re-sign him. Kevin Towers is another option. This will be an interesting offseason for sure.

    Reply
  3. ianthomasmalone

    10 years ago

    As much as I despise Amaro, I do have sympathy for the fact that the man showed up for work every day for over a year knowing that he could be sacked at any given moment. This has been a matter of time for a lot longer than it should have been.

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    • willi

      10 years ago

      Speaking of Ruben , Smart Man, Good Person but not easy to love personally . That being said he came off as an pompous , arrogant man, with an inability to relate with the average Baseball fan. But in his defense, the players he payed well didn’t produce, If there something to be said about giving Long term contacts to humans who use their bodies in Athletic Competion , that it’s a suscide mission for Teams in any Sport.I can see the Owners trying to negotiate a maximum years in the next collective bargaining agreement !

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      • NickinIthaca

        10 years ago

        The teams are the ones outbidding each other and giving out those years. No one – player, team or agent wants a maximum years clause in the CBA.

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      • ianthomasmalone

        10 years ago

        A maximum years clause wouldn’t accomplish anything. Agents would just demand higher AAVs.

        The only thing that would fix what you’ve suggested is a problem would be a salary cap and I’m for that. Teams have the money to hand these deals out, knowing that many of them aren’t going to look so hot. If they want to fix the problem, they can stop handing the deals out. Simple as that.

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      • jtt11 2

        10 years ago

        I’m assuming that when you said amaro was unable to relate with the average baseball fan, you intended to constrain that to the average Philadelphia baseball fan. And if my assumption is correct, is that such a bad thing? Philly fans, are well, philly fans. It’s the only way to describe them. They crave winning, they would sell their children for one sports team that could rival the broad street bullies. Growing up as a Giants Yankees fan I used to hate philly fans, and after a few years of living in philly, I don’t hate them, rather I feel bad for them. They see dynasties in Boston and New York and think that they need one too. And the fans put blinders on and can’t see things for what they are.

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        • Peter G

          10 years ago

          Well Amaro grew up in Philadelphia and knew the expectations.

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  4. tom from st pete florida

    10 years ago

    Does anyone honestly believe Amaro had any say in those recent trades?

    He has been just a spokesperson for the Phillies, since they hired the new guy.

    There is no way he had anything to do with those dealings, NONE!!!

    Reply
    • New Law Era

      10 years ago

      How do you know he had nothing to do with those dealings?

      Reply
      • Marvin Berry

        10 years ago

        Because he’s Tom. He just knows.

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      • misterb71

        10 years ago

        Well, it eventually leaked out that David Montgomery was really the one responsible for the Howard, Rollins and Ruiz extensions. It’s not a stretch to think Amaro did the bidding of whatever somebody above him told him to do. Plus, Amaro’s been bleeding off prospects over the last three or four years and keeping an aging team intact — why would he suddenly flip the switch and start with a rather huge deal with prospects coming in the other direction?

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    • tac3

      10 years ago

      I do…. Andy Macphail has said so as well.. Not sure if you’ve been keeping up with all the quotes and all, but yeah… Amaro made those trades … Amaro didn’t do anything he didn’t want to do per MacPhail, also the team believes that they will benefit from the fruits of his labor for years to come on these trades. You can read through the quotes they came directly from MacPhail and Middleton. Give credit where credit is due…. He put blocks in place for the rebuild… hopefully its for another Championship team.

      Reply
  5. mike156

    10 years ago

    Every GM has hits and misses–the Phillies fell apart a bit faster than might have been predicted, and his misses ended up being serious. He waited too long to adapt institutionally to make changes. And he had a tendency to hold out for the high price. Sometimes that worked–Hamels, and sometimes is was a disaster (Lee). Net net, a mediocre performance.

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    • tac3

      10 years ago

      Speculating here… But I am wondering if holding off at last years deadline had anything to do with Montgomery’s health?… From what I’ve been reading from the Philly scribes, Amaro did’t have as much autonomy on things as fans once believed. Specifically on the core player resigning. You have to wonder if Monty had a tighter grip on decisions as he saw the ship sinking, and wanted more of the final say … speculation at this point, but for me, my view as of now, until more leaks out, the demise of the Phillies is pinned on the whole FO, consisting of Amaro, Gillick, Monty, and Wolever… and you can add Arbuckle in there for selecting/endorsing Wolever as his successor.

      Reply
  6. jtt11 2

    10 years ago

    Name one trade that raj made where he was on the losing end….

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    • james 12

      10 years ago

      Cliff Lee to Mariners for trash

      Reply
    • dylanp5030

      10 years ago

      Lee and Pence (trading Pence that is).

      I liked Ruben and would’ve been fine keeping him actually. Your point is well taken. He made some really nice trades, and made this GM position a very very desirable position.

      Reply
    • tac3

      10 years ago

      ha… gotta be sarcasm … he had some great ones though… As a Phillies fan how pumped where you when he got Lee,Halladay, and Pence? Some big time excitement. Also when Lee came back… that summer was crazy anticipation. There are good times during the reign.. itll take awhile for people to see them though.

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