On Sunday morning, Rich Dubroff of CSNBaltimore.com attempted to put together a list of the 15 best position players in Orioles history. The task, he says, was even more challenging than when he ran down Baltimore’s top ten pitchers of all-time. Matt Wieters, who accepted the O’s qualifying offer this winter, earned a spot at catcher alongside Gus Triandos, a three-time All-Star in the late 50s and early 60s. Another current-day star, Chris Davis, only earned honorable mention at first base as he was situated behind Eddie Murray and Boog Powell. Davis has led the majors in home runs two of the last three years, but Dubroff says that “Murray’s excellence and Powell’s longevity force the issue.”
Here’s more out of the AL East:
- The Blue Jays’ acquisition of Drew Storen creates healthy set of roster options, John Lott of the National Post writes. Meanwhile, it doesn’t seem like Toronto’s new regime is done dealing. The Ben Revere–for-Storen swap marks the first major trade by Mark Shapiro & Co., but new GM Ross Atkins indicated that the team has had “hundreds” of discussions with clubs about potential deals. All told, Storen owns a 3.02 ERA in his 334 big league frames. He’s struck out an average of 8.6 and walked 2.6 batters per nine for his career, but his K rate jumped significantly last season.
- Major league teams continue to spend big in free agency, despite evidence that it is not necessarily working, Brian MacPherson of the Providence Journal writes. While the Red Sox are doing cartwheels about signing David Price to a mammoth $217MM deal this winter, MacPherson rightfully points out that Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval seemed like wise moves just a year ago. Now, Boston is saddled with both players at a combined $183MM after a disappointing 2015.
- Roch Kubatko of MASNSports.com weighed the pros and cons of the Orioles losing their No. 14 pick to sign a free agent who would require draft pick compensation.
bogaerts
Chris Davis will have a 40% K% within 2 years and be the biggest free agent ‘position player’ bust.
RickEO
True
jacobsigel1025
I wouldn’t be surprised if he only gets a 2 year deal so he can prove that he can cut back on his strikeout rate and can do other things besides hit for power
A'sfaninUK
How many times do you guys need to be told that a high walk rate cancels out a high K rate, and striking out isn’t even the worst way to make an out, grounding into a double play is? You don’t think A’s fans would rather watch 200 Davis K’s instead of 35 GIDPs from Billy Butler? There’s nothing more agonizing than a rally killing double play, other than the ultra-rare flukey triple play, the double play is the absolute WORST thing a hitter can do, They are selfish, they are a game-turner, they are the only thing a hitter should try not to do. At least with a K they are either trying to hit one out or are waiting on the right pitch to NOT hit into a double play.
Sorry for the aggressive tone, but I’m just sick of reading anti-strikeout propaganda. Strikeouts happen, and they don’t mean more than any other kind of out, in fact they are a valuable out if they take up 4+ pitches, eating up the (probably) good pitchers pitch count.
Insofar as being a bust, worst case scenario is Davis isn’t allowed to take is ADHD pills and hits like 2014 every year, and even with that, I don’t see Davis beating Sandoval as the biggest position player bust in recent times.
JT19
I agree but to call a player selfish for GIDP is ridiculous. Its not like he goes up to the plate with the mindset that he is going to GIDP. The best players GIDP so its more of a matter of skill, luck and speed.
stymeedone
What causes more dismay, 200 strike outs or 35 double plays? Either are likely to lead the league.
whitey14 2
I don’t care for double plays either, but I couldn’t disagree more on your thoughts about strikeouts. Wade Boggs, Cal Ripken, Jim Rice, Derek Jeter, just to name a few all had issues with double plays and all are Hall of Famers. I’m dating myself here, but when I was growing up, if a guy struck out more than a hundred times in a season it was an embarrassment, as it should be still today. The strikeout is the mark of futility at the plate. The player who consistently strikes out is the selfish player as their outs do not advance runners. To call strikeouts valuable because they take up a few pitches is a stretch, at best. A high walk rate doesn’t cancel out a high strikeout rate either. If a guy walks a hundred times in a season that’s great, but if he struck out less swinging for the fences, he’d probably walk even more. Lord knows he’s add more value to his team.
A'sfaninUK
It’s also entirely ridiculous to think that Davis will suddenly go from 31% to 40% in the space of 2 years.
jawscwh2000
true orioles need make move now . Sign Davis other free agent soon. Then, get a starters too
Chris Ephgrave
Harmless error Zach Davis but the wrong Boog Powell is linked in the article
Chris Ephgrave
Pardon me and here I am calling out errors – Zach Links
AndyM
Chris Davis has always been to me a kinda better Chris Carter. Huge amount of K’s and as he grows older, he would accumulate even more K’s then now. Whoever signs him will be paying for nothing for about half the contract length.
soxandpats
So, I don’t believe anyone thought that the signing of 2 aging overweight lazy third baseman was wise.
A'sfaninUK
Nope, he’s not even in the same galaxy as Chris Carter, baseball-reference has it right:
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A'sfaninUK
Ben Revere is a really interesting case, UZR had him as an elite defender with the Twins, but he’s been below average everywhere else, but a way better hitter than he was with the Twins. If he could defend like he did on Minnesota, and hit like he does now, he’s be a 4+ fWAR player. Strange how hard UZR has had him fall off since the start of 2013.
mookiessnarl
Not a big fan of Revere’s hitting. I’ve never seen a player with that small a percentage of extra base hits and very few walks. A player who hit .250 with 30 doubles and 20 home runs would be much more valuable than his empty .300. Even with the 40 sb’s. He would be infinitely more valuable if he was even able to take an occasional walk.
A'sfaninUK
His BA + SBs have him at about a 2-2.5 fWAR player, he does a couple things well but is no star…but if he was elite defender he’d look more like one.
misterb71
I watched a lot of Revere trying to play the OF in Philadelphia and I have to tell you any defensive matrix that describes Revere as anything above average is total garbage. He struggled regularly with running the right routes to fly balls. In addition his throws from the warning track/wall would always take two to three bounces to the cutoff man. I’m thinking he’s best suited to a ballpark that has a smaller OF where he can cheat in and not be put in a position where he has to track deep fly balls.
mookiessnarl
Pretty sure David Price doesn’t have the same set of question marks Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval did. And further, it’s a bit too early in those deal to judge them as failures. If they continue on exactly the same they will be complete and utter failures. They’d be right up there with the Carl Crawford deal. But the deals aren’t even close to over.
stymeedone
McPherson obviously wasn’t reading the chat on line, because both the Ramirez and Sandoval signings were criticized from day one on this sight. There were supporters, of course, but it was far from universal. There are even nay sayers on the Price signing, but more for the amount than whether he will pitch well.
dane1990
Love this trade. Gives the Nationals a nice top of the lineup guy who steals bases and can play CF. Blue Jays get solid backend to the bullpen. Blue Jays LineUp is stacked with EE, Joey Bats, Tulo, Donaldson, Martin, Pillar, even Devon Travis and Justin Smoak are solid players. A healthy Sanders is good fit and Pompey you don’t even need stellar offensive numbers from with that kind of lineup. They need to build the bullpen up and create some stability and consistency.