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NL East Notes: Stanton, Phillies, Mets Needs, Nats, Werth

By Jeff Todd | November 13, 2017 at 10:14pm CDT

With the GM Meetings underway, we’ll be rounding up the key bits of information from around the league. Let’s get things started with the NL East:

  • While the Marlins haven’t yet committed to trading Giancarlo Stanton, his pursuit could be the first major piece of the offseason puzzle. As Tim Healey of the Sun-Sentinel reports, Miami president of baseball operations Michael Hill acknowledges that the front offices has “a sense” of where Stanton would be willing to go via trade. While the team isn’t disclosing that publicly, it’ll obviously be a key factor as the team tries to craft a trade that will meet its needs and receive approval from Stanton, who can veto any swap through his no-trade clause. Hill did also say it’s “definitely a possibility” that Stanton won’t be dealt, though the team’s payroll plans make him an exceedingly tough fit. [RELATED: MLBTR’s breakdown of Stanton’s market and compilation of the latest rumors]
  • One team that has been tied to Stanton, the Phillies, may not be that realistic a suitor after all. Per Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Philadelphia organization has not engaged the Marlins in “substantive talks” and do not see the slugger as a fit. As Gelb notes, GM Matt Klentak emphasized today that the club is “pretty comfortable with our position-player group right now” and prefers to “let those young players play” — barring, at least, “a pretty unique set of circumstances.” Klentak also acknowledged that “this offseason is the first time since I’ve been here that we will explore contracts of more than one year with free agents.”
  • As they seek to modernize the use of their pitching staff, the Mets seemingly hope to improve the rotation without necessarily spending resources on new acquisitions. As Marc Carig of Newsday writes, GM Sandy Alderson plans both to buttress the training approach and to improve the team’s bullpen. New York could be a player for pitchers such as Brandon Morrow, Mike Minor, and Bryan Shaw — each of whom MLBTR predicts to land a three-year deal. That said, achieving depth will surely involve multiple additions. The team is considering righty Wily Peralta as one swingman candidate, Mike Puma of the New York Post tweets.
  • Of course, the Mets also have other needs, and committing resources to the pen will make for sacrifices. Second base is an obvious need, though Carig suggests the club may not look to commit too big a chunk of salary to filling that hole. The Mets will also look for a quality hitter that can play right field and/or first base, helping to cover for the questions surrounding Michael Conforto and Dominic Smith (the latter of whom was the recipient of some blunt words from Alderson). It sounds like the team is more or less seeking the same thing it was when it inked Michael Cuddyer a few years back. A righty bat would make the most sense from a platoon perspective, though that could mean giving the lion’s share of time in center to Juan Lagares — a possibility that Carig credits.
  • Nationals president of baseball ops Mike Rizzo downplayed the possibility of the organization landing a top-flight starter, as Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post reports on Twitter. He did, however, say that depth in the rotation and the pen were on his offseason wish list. It’s interesting to hear that Rizzo isn’t keen (at least publicly) to pursue more significant additions to the pitching staff. After all, the lineup is also mostly set; on the whole, the ballclub has few holes in terms of its major contributors (with catcher arguably representing a major exception). But with a mandate to pursue an elusive, deep playoff run, that has left some wondering where the team will look to improve. Perhaps building out a strong supporting cast will be the focus; then again, it could be that larger moves could be pursued in a stealthier manner.
  • Rizzo said he wouldn’t rule out the possibility that the Nationals would retain Jayson Werth, as Jorge Castillo of the Washington Post reports on Twitter. “We haven’t really discussed that or gone down that road yet,” said Rizzo, “but I wouldn’t close the door on it.” He did note that such a move would “have to fit into what we want to do,” likely hinting at a much-reduced role for the veteran. In honesty, it’s somewhat difficult to see just how Werth would fit in with the team’s current alignment, though perhaps it’s possible he’d mostly work as a bench bat and depth option.
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  1. benharvey26

    8 years ago

    Can only imagine the blue balls on the boys at MLB Network if Stanton doesn’t get traded

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    • ABCD

      8 years ago

      My testes ache just thinking about it.

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      • CompanyAssassin

        8 years ago

        But Mrs. Schwarber…..

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  2. Hawkeye2020

    8 years ago

    The STL Cards have alot of other needs and the front office wants the roster set before November 20th…I would say if Stanton isn’t traded to STL by tomorrow they are moving in other directions…I’ve assumed as of now teams have made their offers, and it should be up to Stanton to accept or decline.. Should be courteous and give an immediate answer so the acquiring team can move forward or move on from him..

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    • aff10

      8 years ago

      There’s no way the offers are in yet. The off-season just started…

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      • badco44

        8 years ago

        Yeah gotta say the 20th date seems unreal, and while Stanton has a list of where he goes, he does not control what the Marlins want or expect so don’t put the cart in front of the horse please

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    • Geebs

      8 years ago

      What the hell are you talking about, the front office wants the roster set by nov 20th? Why would they want the roster set 20 days into the offseason? What are they going to do for the rest of the offseason, watch the other clubs?

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      • dazhk

        8 years ago

        He talking about the 40 man. The cardinals have way too many prospects that they cannot cover them in the 40 man roster , which has to be set by November 20th for the rule 5 draft. The cardinals have lost 2 really good prospects to the padres and pirates over last two year because of the rule 5 and got nothing in return for them. They made it a point recently to come out and they will move pieces rather lose them.

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        • mack22 2

          8 years ago

          Yeah that’s how the Dodgers lost Roberto Clemente to Pittsburgh

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        • Hawkeye2020

          8 years ago

          Yes, I’m glad finally someone understands.

          Reply
    • siliconmessiah

      8 years ago

      I don’t think St Louis has to worry about Stanton. I’m sure he’s not willing to come to a Midwest city. Hasn’t it already been rumored he wants West Coast?

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      • kbarr888

        8 years ago

        Reported to be a False Narrative. He never said that, exactly.

        He did say that “He’d prefer playing on the coast”. But he also inferred that “Winning” is the most important factor.
        He also said that “He doesn’t want to go through a Rebuild”.

        Most everything being posted is an extrapolation of those few statements, and are frequently “taken out of context” (or simply misquoted).

        My GUESS…….is that Stanton Knows that the Cardinals are moving quickly, and that if there’s no deal before Nov 20th, there may NOT be an opportunity to go there. I’d bet that he has the FO calling the Teams that he prefers to go to, and gauging their interest. Those teams also know that the Cards are “Hot On Stanton”, and could sit back and wait.
        More likely, they would “show an interest”, hoping to get Stanton to reject any trade to St Louis…..so they’ll have more time to figure out what to do. Just my take.

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    • Hawkeye2020

      8 years ago

      Rule 5 draft is coming up, and the Cards have publicly stated once before that they want their roster set. There was a rumor Cards have offered a deal already for Stanton/relief pitcher:Reyes, Grichuk, Aledmys Diaz, Sandy Alacantra. It’s not been confirmed if this was the actual proposal but nonetheless Cards are adamant on trying to get the roster set before November 20th they have ALOT of prospects that can be stolen. If Stanton doesnt want to go to STL, they need to move on. Mo said Cards will try to find a bat in a trade first, then try for SP in trades, and sign relief help…Can’t really do that if Stanton is taking his sweet ass time waiting because his damn contract is so huge, they need to know how much Miami is willing to eat or if he even wants to come here..I would be pissed knowing you had a plan in place, and Miami is on the other end snickering knowing you have no chance in hell getting him, and other free agents sign away or trades become much more expensive.

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  3. agentx

    8 years ago

    Peralta could be just the kind of wily veteran that the Mets need to “modernize” their middle-innings approach.

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  4. sampsonite168

    8 years ago

    “without necessarily spending resources on new acquisitions.”
    “the club may not look to commit too big a chunk of salary to filling that hole.”

    You could take away the names of the team and the players and I’d know you were talking about the Mets from these phrases alone.

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    • mikeyank55

      8 years ago

      Great observation Sampsonite!

      It’s the official tag line for the Mets. Only the Mets fans are in denial about it.

      The team under Wilpon’s frugality and foolishness could make a great story for a daytime soap opera, Cheap in Queens.

      Reply
      • hojostache

        8 years ago

        We are well aware of how ownership chooses to run the club like a small market club. They are one of the worst ownership groups in all of sports. They are a hair above the exiting Loria, who was probably the single worst franchise owner.

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      • metseventually

        8 years ago

        This guy actually spends his entire day waiting for say negative things about a baseball franchise. Must have a sad life.

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  5. Coast1

    8 years ago

    The Phillies will explore contracts of more than one year? Has any team ever thought of doing this? It sounds revolutionary.

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    • aamatho18

      8 years ago

      Obviously they’ve been rebuilding and have been wanting their payroll to stay relatively clean in future seasons. No point in adding payroll in future years when you’re rebuilding unless you really like a player and they maybe fit into that timeframe

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      • Coast1

        8 years ago

        They could end up with a payroll as low as $26 million for 2018. They’ve had payrolls of $170 million before. Matt Klentak said they don’t want to add any starting hitters and Andy MacPhail has said that signing 30-something free agent pitchers is chasing unicorns. Unless they don’t do what they say they’re going to do they’ll have the lowest payroll in the league in 2018.

        MacPhail and Klentak are extremely cautious at a time when the Phillies’ biggest advantage over other teams is that they can afford to be reckless.

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        • Caseys Partner

          8 years ago

          The Phillies owned the first pick in the 2018 MLB Draft until three weeks were left in the season. Now they’re picking third.

          I guess that’s not reckless as much as it is gross incompetence.

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        • stevetampa

          8 years ago

          That is, if obtaining the first pick in the draft was some form of goal or accomplishment. Though I must admit to glossing over reverse-standings throughout September

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        • eilexx

          8 years ago

          It could end up being a big deal, and while winning a few more games might have felt better in September, it could hurt them in the long term. When the one clear thing they lack up and down the organization is a projectable front-line starting pitcher, and the consensus top pick (Brady Singer) is just that, it’s a situation that could come back to haunt them.

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    • stevetampa

      8 years ago

      It was a comment made for one specific purpose; to illustrate a varied approach to free-agency as the team emerges from its rebuild.

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      • Coast1

        8 years ago

        Matt Klentak says they’ll explore it. That means they’ll discuss changing their approach, not that they definitely will change it. In the same paragraph he dismissed the idea of adding a starting hitter and Andy MacPhail dismissed the idea of signing 30+ year old pitchers as chasing unicorns.

        Other teams that have been rebuilding at the same time as the Phillies have given out multi-year contracts. To Matt Klentak the idea of doing so is something they need to explore and not just jump into.

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        • stevetampa

          8 years ago

          Need to read between the lines sometimes.

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        • Coast1

          8 years ago

          Your response is vague and you don’t provide any supporting evidence. I need to read between the lines and conclude what? That they’ll do the opposite of what they say they’ll do? Please elaborate what you’re reading between the lines.

          We know that in the last two off-seasons they’ve done exactly what they’ve said they’d do and only given out 1 year deals. Am I supposed to conclude they’ll do something very different when they’ve given nothing that supports that.

          I think you aren’t reading between the lines. You’re reading your own book and deciding that’s what’s being said.

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        • stevetampa

          8 years ago

          Just as you have pointed out: “We know that in the last two off-seasons they’ve done exactly what they’ve said they’d do”.

          Now the tone is somewhat different, no? Ergo, ‘read between the lines’ as it applies to Klentak’s most recent comments and the implication of breaking the mold of prior years

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  6. nentwigs

    8 years ago

    The Marlins keep Stanton. They then solicit “contributions” to the team operating budget from their opponents for each game played. In exchange for which Stanton is held out of the lineup for that particular game. Poor Stanton could be on the DL for the entire year.

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    • mack22 2

      8 years ago

      The union would be all over that

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      • kbarr888

        8 years ago

        Thanks for adding some humor here nentwigs……(sometimes things get a little intense here…..for “a Rumors” site….LOL…)

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  7. antsmith7

    8 years ago

    The Nationals might have the most talented team in all of baseball. They’re too three at worst. It’s downright incredible that they haven’t even won a divisional series let alone a World Series.

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    • davidcoonce74

      8 years ago

      The postseason is a crapshoot. 162 games distilled into a best-of-5 or -7 game series isn’t a great measure of quality, and certain teams tend to be better constructed for a short series (a strong bullpen and a more savvy manager, basically), but it’s basically luck. The Marlins, for example, have never won a division title but have won two World Series.

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      • dmoyer31

        8 years ago

        So your argument is that the Nats were the best team in baseball this year, and lost in the first round because they weren’t “lucky” enough? Hahahaha! I can’t decide if you’re just bitter or if you’re really that delusional.

        The Marlins have won the WS twice; the Nats have won 0. You can’t say it was “lucky” just because the Marlins didn’t win a division. Check out the rules – winning a division doesn’t automatically equate to a WS ring. The Nats are playing with the same rulebook as everyone else, it’s just that everyone else plays it better. And how exactly is a 7 game series not a clear enough indication of which team is better? What would you suggest, 9? 11? 21? Would that make you happy? Would the best team win then? How many games would it take to take “luck” out of the equation? Would you rather your Nats be parading down Pennsylvania Ave in February?

        The Nats are choke artists, it’s time to accept it. Its ok that you’re upset about it, but when you blame it on “luck” and undermine other teams’ achievements in the process, that’s just moronic.

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      • eilexx

        8 years ago

        While there is a degree of luck to the postseason, it is no crapshoot. Baseball is played differently in October than in the regular season, and those who adjust accordingly are more successful. Take for instance this year’s World Series. The Dodgers lost because of their poor managing. They basically did everything by the book—the new analytical book, that is. Twice Roperts took an effective Rich Hill out of the game way too early—because the numbers say you do!!—and caused the burnout of his bullpen which came back to haunt the Dodgers.

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  8. Caseys Partner

    8 years ago

    Matt Gelb article:

    Command + F Shohei Ohtani

    Nothing

    Use search box for entire Philly dot com site: Shohei Ohtani

    Nothing

    Zero articles by any “writer” at that bankrupt (literally) publication.

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    • gocincy

      8 years ago

      You score zero fore relevance, zero for repetition, zero for originality, and zero for clarity of communication. I award you zero points. Thank you for wasting a minute of my life.

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        8 years ago

        Score-0 for reading retention…

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    • mlb1225

      8 years ago

      Do you have nothing else to argue about other than “Phillies writers don’t ever write about Ohtani”?

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    • vlad4hof

      8 years ago

      Who cares what the writers say? Every year every team signs players that no writer suggested they would.

      But also the Phillies have next to no leverage for Otani:
      1. Because of int’l spending rules they cant outbid everyone and there are many teams with more cap space available.
      2. Otani supposedly wants to hit and pitch which makes an NL team a less likely fit
      3. If he prioritizes being on a team that will win now, the Phillies dont fit
      4. If he prefers a team that’s on the west coast because its closer to home, Philly makes no sense.

      Only small area where Philly might be appealing is that its a large market and has strong potential for him to make extra money in sponsorships, but every story about this guy suggests money isn’t a huge motivator for him. So, why care what writers are saying, especially when it makes no sense to suggest he’d sign with Philly? Get over it or explain given the circumstances what appeal Philly can make?

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  9. skip 2

    8 years ago

    Definitely a possibility they don’t trade him! Lol nice try Mr. Hill trying to find some leverage any where he can!

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  10. mack22 2

    8 years ago

    The Marlins have already used up the first two years of a lopsided contact, they have to make it right. Stanton would love to go back to LA, and might hold out for that

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    • kbarr888

      8 years ago

      He might have to wait until 2019 for that. The Dodgers don’t seem to be very interested, and picking up Forsythe’s $9.0 Mil option seems foolish if they are trying to accommodate an additional $25 Mil in 2018. I guess they could trade Forsythe, but seems counter productive to me.

      A-Gon says he’s coming back for his last year in 2018 ($23 Mil)
      Kazmir says the same ($17.5 Mil)
      Kershaw needs to be extended NOW, or he’ll probably Opt-Out after 2018 (unless his back flares up again). He can do better than 2/69, I think (4/140 is the same rate, but adds 2 years at $35 Mil/ea…and he can get that if he has a typical “Kershaw Year” in ’18…..)

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  11. shelteredsoxfan

    8 years ago

    As someone who doesn’t follow the mets that much, what did Anderson say about a Dominic Smith? The article says he had blunt words for him

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    • Jeff Todd

      8 years ago

      It is in the linked article. Basically, he suggested that Smith better show up to spring in shape and ready to earn his way onto the MLB roster.

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      • Caseys Partner

        8 years ago

        Why is my response to shelteredsoxfan in moderation?

        Please take it out of moderation.

        Thank you.

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        • Jeff Todd

          8 years ago

          I will look at it when I have a moment, but comments go to moderation when they are caught by our filters due to use of a prohibited word. There are some false positives, though.

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        • vtadave

          8 years ago

          It’s a conspiracy!

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        • Coast1

          8 years ago

          They’re out to get him. I suspect John Middleton stopped it.

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  12. kbarr888

    8 years ago

    Could the Phillies be posturing for a HUGE SPLASH next winter? They could have over $100 Million to spend (per year) in FA……and in the winter that will have some of the Greatest Talent Ever in it’s FA class.

    Makes you go….Hmmmmmmm……….

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  13. mlb1225

    8 years ago

    I don’t see why not. They’re in their last phases of their rebuild, with Rhys, Crawford, Alfaro ready to make an impact. Kingery is nearly ready for mlb action as well. I could see them signing a 2-3 rotation starter (someone like Gio Gonzalez, Ryu, Pomeranz, Richards). Granted, what I’m about to say might be a longshot, but if Kershaw and Price opt out, they could go after them. Then maybe sign a veteran 5th starter, to add some veteran presence to an otherwise very young line-up/rotation.

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  14. adshadbolt

    8 years ago

    The Marlins are just trying to get teams to think they don’t want to trade him so teams will stop offering them crap.

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  15. nats3256

    8 years ago

    “Nationals president of baseball ops Mike Rizzo downplayed the possibility of the organization landing a top-flight starter”

    Didn’t he say this just before he signed Scherzer?

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  16. petfoodfella

    8 years ago

    I understand Philly isn’t likely to land Stanton, but to say “we’re happy w/ our position players” and then pass on Stanton? Come on.

    He makes any team better, instantly.

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    • vlad4hof

      8 years ago

      Yeah, obviously he’s an upgrade over Altherr/Williams but perhaps he means Stanton’s mot worth the financial investment plus the need to give up players for him too, plus they do like Altherr/Williams. GMs just cant be that direct.

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      • Coast1

        8 years ago

        Stanton carries a 10 year contract and the most comparable Baseball Reference players didn’t do much after age 33. Stanton looks like a good investment for the first 5 years but you have to pay for all 10. Klentak probably doesn’t want to do that. Altherr and Williams have potential. They won’t ever be Stanton but they won’t be $30 million of dead money for several years either.

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  17. Z-A 2

    8 years ago

    If I’m making a trade… it’s not for Stanton. Only 3 of 7 years w/over 123 games played.. The only player I would empty the coffers for is Mike Trout, even with just 3 years left.

    Not many legit FA moves to be made this year, everyone knows its all about 2019 FA – 1a) Machado, 1b) Harper and Kershaw/Price potentially opting out.

    I would like to see them continue to bring in some 1 rentals to flip for parts – Melky Cabrera would be a good candidate.

    Other than that, maybe a multi-year deal at a reasonable rate for a Pineda or Cobb to add a 2nd or 3rd starter that transitions into a 3rd or 4th starter.

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