10:25am: The Rays and Cardinals have announced the trade. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com tweets that the Cardinals are sending $500K of international money to the Rays in the deal. St. Louis is barred from spending more than $300K on any single international signing anyhow, and they’ve already been using their international funds as currency in trades over the past few days.
9:51am: The Rays have struck a deal to acquire Tommy Pham from the Cardinals, reports Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (via Twitter). It’s not clear what other elements are in play, though Passan adds that Chris Archer is not involved in the trade. Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times tweets that the Rays will send outfielder Justin Williams, left-hander Genesis Cabrera and right-hander Roel Ramirez to the Cardinals in exchange for Pham and international bonus allotments.
While some may raise an eyebrow at the notion of the Rays adding pieces when they’re firmly out of both the AL East race and the AL Wild Card picture, Pham is controlled for another three seasons beyond the current campaign. Pham will be arbitration-eligible for the first time this offseason and is not eligible for free agency until after the 2021 season, making him an affordable long-term piece to help the Rays as they hope to move back into a contention with a young core built around Blake Snell, Jake Bauers, Willy Adames and others.
For the Cardinals, the trade serves as the latest in a roster shakeup that is approaching cataclysmic proportions. The Cards have designated Greg Holland and Tyler Lyons for assignment, traded Sam Tuivailala to the Mariners and are reportedly open to offers on Bud Norris and Jose Martinez. The Cardinals also sent minor league first baseman Luke Voit to the Yankees (along with international money) in order to acquire a pair of big league bullpen assets in Chasen Shreve and Giovanny Gallegos.
With Pham out of the picture in St. Louis, the Cards will create more opportunity for younger outfield options like Harrison Bader and Tyler O’Neill, though both Marcell Ozuna and Dexter Fowler remain on hand as high-priced, veteran options.
In Pham, the Rays are buying low on a player who has slumped over the past two months but looked to have broken out as one of the National League’s better all-around players in 2017 and in the early stages of the 2018 campaign. From the start of his season in 2017 to the end of May this year, Pham posted a sensational .296/.399/.506 with 32 homers and 33 steals through 734 plate appearances. He’s capable of playing all three outfield spots, though with Kevin Kiermaier serving as one of the game’s premier defenders in center, Pham’s home will likely be in an outfield corner. Of course, Kiermaier has also proven to be injury prone, and Pham provides some insurance in center during future seasons.
It’s worth noting that over the past two months, Pham’s output at the plate has plummeted. He’s posted just a .227/.292/.330 slash through his past 192 plate appearances, though his walk and strikeout rates have remained fairly constant in that time. Pham’s average on balls in play during that stretch is .278, though, and while that isn’t all that far below the league average, it’s considerably south of his career .339 mark. With a lifetime 40.6 percent hard-hit rate and a 22.1 percent line-drive rate, Pham has proven himself to be a hitter capable of sustaining a BABIP better than the league mean, so there’s some reason for the Rays to hope for a turnaround.
In return for Pham, the Cardinals will acquire a package of three prospects that, frankly, would’ve appeared underwhelming when Pham’s value was at its peak. It’s possible, of course, that St. Louis views Pham as an asset that is unlikely to rebound or is particularly high on one or more of the pieces coming over from Tampa Bay, but the package is lacking in the way of top-tier prospects.
Williams, 22, ranked as the Rays’ No. 14 prospect as of last week’s update from Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com. He’s posted a .258/.313/.376 batting line in 386 plate appearances in his first exposure to Triple-A pitching this season, though he notched a more encouraging .301/.364/.489 slash in Double-A last season. MLB.com’s report praises his athleticism and gives him the potential for 20-plus homer pop, noting that his offensive abilities are still a bit raw but he could become a well-rounded player in an outfield corner.
Cabrera, 21, has a 4.12 ERA with with 9.8 K/9, 4.5 BB/9 and a 34.4 percent ground-ball rate in 113 2/3 innings at the Double-A level this season. He’s been playing against much more experienced competition and, in fact, is in his second run through Double-A after reaching the level as a 20-year-old last year. Callis and Mayo ranked him 25th in Tampa Bay’s system, noting that he has a projectable enough frame to potentially be a starter down the line but a strong enough fastball/slider combo to be a bullpen piece if that doesn’t pan out.
Ramirez, 23, is enjoying a solid season in the Double-A ’pen, having worked to a 3.32 ERA with 10.2 K/9, 3.8 BB/9, 0.89 HR/9 and a 35.6 percent grounder rate in 40 2/3 innings of work. He’s closer to the Majors than Cabrera, it seems, given his more advanced age, status as a reliever and greater success at that level. He could conceivably emerge as a ’pen option in St. Louis either this season or next, though was not considered to be among the Rays’ top group of prospects.
RootedInOakland
wtf
Dankgesang
I think we all saw this coming.
Jkolti
I called this weeks ago I swear
bighiggy
I was hoping for an archer deal 🙁 But at least Bader gets to play.
cards81
Bighiggy this has more to do with O’Neill than Bader I believe
bighiggy
Shoot, I say trade ozuna and play both. Seems like our best players are the younger guys this year. Like the hustle from Bader Munoz and O’Neill.
tgolden23
Well Pham probably didn’t SEE this coming by any means…
Paul Molitor
Hahahaha
Kane U.
Hahahahahahaha!!!!
crr
troll
he saw it, but just barely
bwick17
Yeah he did he turned down a two year offer right before this
iverbure
Someone losing their eye sight is funny? No wonder that baseball best fans twitter has so many cardinals fans tweets on it saying the dumbest stuff.
Paul Molitor
What the
itslonelyatthetrop
That’s Pham-tastic!
buccosfan :(
Very curious. The rays have been making some interesting moves. I think they’re doing this whole ‘fake quick rebuild’ thing a little bit better than the Pirates.
arp7241
Well in the Pirates’ defense, the Rays have been doing it longer and their good prospects are getting ready to come up this year and next
GoRockies
Pirates are fighting for the Wildcard while the Rays are completely out of it. So yes the Rays are better at losing
jbigz12
I’m willing to bet if the two teams switched divisions the pirates wouldn’t be fighting for a WC slot.
Paul Molitor
The rays are coming for the red Sox
gainer34
Why would they not find a way to include archer. Whether it’s giving up more pieces or not you have to find a way to make that deal work
bighiggy
I would have thrown in Kelly and weaver and Greg Garcia, even Adolis Garcia too,. Gotta get archer in a deal, shame.
EndinStealth
I cant figure out why people are so in love with Archer. Hes not all that. The Ray’s are asking alot for him. If he was worth it someone would have pulled the trigger.
bighiggy
Hes better than some of what we got, and cheap. Our starters are super brittle, and archer seems durable.
Woody130n82
Or if Archer wasn’t worth it, the Rays would have dropped the asking price and already moved him.
EndinStealth
Bad analogy. Many other teams have said the Ray’s were ridiculously asking to much. The Pirates got fleshed.
tdtd1515
Garica isn’t worth anything. You can’t throw your castoffs for someone like Archer….
Vedder80
Because they don’t need a starting pitcher.
gainer34
They have a bunch of young guys that are going to be hitting innings limits and Carlos Martinez who is likely done for year. Wacha also our until September. They need starting pitching
EndinStealth
Only if they had a legit shot at the playoffs. They dont so no sense in over paying.
STLShadows
I swear the Cards better have got a good return.
c1234
Doesn’t matter bader can play full time now about time, amiright!!
bighiggy
Its bader time! Trade ozuna while hes hot and bring up home run O’Neill too.
aj_54
if you dream on prospecte you will be disappointed
bighiggy
Yeah most prospects dont pan out, but Bader and O’Neill at least hustle their butt off. Rather see a young guy play and hustle in a lost season than a bunch of vets half azz it.
UGA_Steve
Yeah, I bet Red Sox, Royals, Cubs and Astros fans of years past were so disappointed when the cores of their World Series teams were loaded with prospects. Must suck to win championships.
Cardinals17
That’s True about Bader. Charlie Hustle in the field and on the bases. I’m still not quite sold on O’Neil. Both strike out too much!! O’Neil seems to be a 130 strike out player per year at this point.
gocrazyfolks
Except for the part where Bader can’t really hit.
jade 2
#14 & #25 in the Rays system
Freddie Morales
CRAZY!!!!!
pinstripes17
That doesn’t sound like a lot for Pham…
AZPat
He’s a 30 yo with one good season.
What
And a degenerative eye condition.
Litt-3up3down
Good thing they sold high.
nymetsking
they sold while high
Alex Graboyes
Wtf is wrong with the cardinals. Just letting you i am calling it that ozuna is going to the mariners probably
ayrbhoy
I think I’d like an Ozuna trade w the Mariners but I’m not sure Jerry will part with the prospects needed to acquire him. I feel like Dipoto is either going to take a bundle of the best of what’s left of our farm system to acquire a middle to back end SP to cover for the disappointing Felix Hernandez or use the tail end of the farm system for a 4th OF like a Cameron Maybin. He’s changed the OF profile from a thumping HR/K-out defensive liability OFer (Trumbo, SSmith etc) to athletic OFers (Gamel, Heredia, Dee Gordon etc,) who use speed on the base paths. Heredia is a fine defensive CF but his bat has gone cold for long stretches over the last 2 seasons. Not sure Ozuna fits that profile
c1234
The Cardinals are not selling they just prefer Bader over Pham
Cardinals17
Are you crazy enough you actually believe that John Mozeliak isn’t selling out the Cardinals?!? After all of this trading…..Not a single impact player has been obtained!!!!! The only thing Mozeliak has done is gotten rid of some of the poor signings he’s recently made for this season!!! The Cardinals are having to eat Millions because of these trades and DFA’s. Millions that Mozeliak has wasted!! The Houston Astros spy gate the Cardinals were caught at, is the reason the Cardinals can only spend $300,000 on any foreign player for their punishment. That’s the reason so much of that designated money is being sent to other teams!!! Plus, I will never believe that John Mozeliak knew nothing about that whole ordeal. If there is not an impact bat obtained today, you will basically see a minor league team the rest of the season. Oh wait!!! That’s mostly what we saw the first half!!! Not a single utility player traded. When you see Ozuna, Norris
Cardinals17
When you see Ozuna, Norris
cards81
They Houston thing is not the reason the cardinals can only spend 300,000 in the international draft…the cardinals were docked two draft picks and had to pay them 2 million dollars…they overspent last year on the international draft..that is the reason
Vanilla Good
And remember: When you see Ozuna, Norris.
dmarcus15
They are selling the Cardinal way. Pham pretty much stated he didnt want to give the Cards a hometown deal so you deal the guy. should have done it in April when he was still hot.
tombenton
No Way
Freddie Morales
Cabrera, Williams, and Ramirez are the minor Leaguers in the deal
bighiggy
Any of them any good?
tombenton
NO
KnicksFanCavsFan
Is it me or is that a light return?
geejohnny
Seems light to me. Not one highly regarded. It’ll be fun watching Pham trying to prove them wrong.
mlbscout6 2
Rays have one of the strong farm systems in the majors and they’re giving up a top 10, a top 15, and an interesting bullpen arm in Ramirez who I’d say is a top 30 prospect in their system. Williams profiles as an everyday rightfielder with natrual lefty power, strong bat speed, and improving pitch recognition. He crushed AA pitching last year and he’s still 22yrs old. I could see him up in the bigs in 2020. Cabrera is a deceptive lefty arm with mid 90’s heater and a sharp slider who is also young for his level and finding success in AA ball. Needs to hone command of his fastball to stick in the rotation, but at the very least will be a power lefty arm in the back of a pen.
bighiggy
Thank you for the analysis, it’s good to hear from knowledgeable fans.
AaronCards
No, it seems pretty fair to me. Don’t get me wrong, great player. But he has had a very down season. So, it I think it seems about right.
bighiggy
I agree it seems light, number 14 and 25 and not rated for pham? I know he looks lost lately, but if, and I know its if, he gets right, this trade will look awful. We got no legitimate prospects, just organization filler
EndinStealth
Pham had one good season and everyone thinks that’s the norm. There is a reason hes 30 and just recently had success.
Cardinals17
Light ….. Sellout ….. tanking … Return! Thank you John Mozeliak!!!!
cards81
Lol how is putting better players on te field tanking?
EndinStealth
Some “fans” think the Cardinals can be like the Yankees. Pay through the nose for players and such…..
ronnsnow
LMAO YES! Love seeing the Cardinals selling. Last place, here they come!
bighiggy
Not sure last place is attainable with the reds in our division
hiflew
You mean the same Reds team that has won or tied their last 8 series and just took 3 of 4 from the 1st place Phillies? That Reds team?
Jkolti
The pirates just swept the reds after the break, so I don’t know where you pulled that “fact” from.
tyhart12
Yeah that same Reds team that has won last 2 series vs Cubs, swept Dodgers, took 3 of 4 from Phillies, 2 of 3 from Braves, and 4 of 6 from the AMAZING Cardinals…yeah that Reds team.
bighiggy
Yeah that reds team, theyve been playing well, but don’t expect them to not trade any of their players today. They are still gonna finish behind the cards, but it maybe close. They had a head start
GoRockies
Reds are are good team, only 6 back of the Cards
cards81
lol they are making room for better players…O’Neill is raking in Triple A and Bader sits the bench…get a clue bud the cardinals are only getting better…love seeing people post when they have no idea what they are talking about!
Cardinals17
Amen to that!!! Selling the annual 3 Million Loyal Fans out!!!!!
spudchukar
Was hoping for a Bauers inclusion, not players who cannot help us now.
dangleswaggles
Tampa would have a hefty asking price for Bauers since their rebuild is based partly around him and Adames.
Bart
Another Rich n Phamous moving to Florida.
We’re_Pham-ily
🙁
ABCD
I’m Sorry for your loss. I will melt like the wicked witch of the West if the Cubs trade Kyle.
tomselleck
Remember when he crapped his pants when the Cubs celebrated on the field at Busch?
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
As I said last week. Cards are now sellers. This is shocking.
cards81
this is not selling…this is creating spots for better players…positive regression can be used…yes this isn’t a blockbuster trade and the return is questionable…but in no way did this make the cardinals worse
Adolpho67
So funny when Cards finally start selling off and we see so many “fans” in denial!
“Not selling….getting better!” Hahaha!
cards81
Explain how getting rid of bad relievers and replacing them with better arms is selling? Explain how getting rid of Pham so two young promising outfielders can play selling? Please do..I’m listening…so funny how people post and haven’t a clue
Connorsoxfan
He’s got 3 additional years of control. That’s an interesting move for both sides.
dmarcus15
but the question is does his eyes have 3 yrs left?
brewcrew08
The white flag has waived
We’re_Pham-ily
Because the Cards rather play an elite CF in Bader? Pham has struggled since April.
gocrazyfolks
Bader is only elite with the glove. He is a below-average hitter, not the next coming or anything. This does not make us better.
eatonculo
The stats don’t point to Bader being a below average hitter.
He’s not the greatest hitter in the league, but if nothing else he’s an elite fourth outfielder. Nothing wrong with that.
Vanilla Good
So now that he’s expected to be the 2nd best OF he’s what? Slightly below average? Elite 4th outfielder lol
Adolpho67
How much you wanna bet that within 2 years Bader & O’Neil will have gone the way of Piscotti & Grichuk? Cards don’t develop hitters.
cards81
How much you wanna bet Pham won’t be any better than O’Neill and Bader? By the way O’Neill was developed in the Mariners system
EndinStealth
With Mabry gone they’ll have a better shot.
Ry.the.Stunner
Bader has a .738 OPS and a 101 OPS+. That is the very definition of average (if not below average) with the bat.
cards81
Pham is not all that great with bad eye sight…O’Neill is raking in triple A and Bader is sitting the bench…I love how people think this is waving the white flag…they are only getting better with the young talent they have
cards81
lol they are making room for better players…O’Neill is raking in Triple A and Bader sits the bench…get a clue bud the cardinals are only getting better…love seeing people post when they have no idea what they are talking about!
cards81
Sorry for the double post
brewcrew08
I love how you are already calling Bader and O’Neill better than Pham. What have those two proven in the bigs? Pham hit .300 last year and was nearly a 25-25 guy. If Pham is having a down year being on pace to score 100 runs, hit 22HR and steal 15 bags that’s huge years for many guys.
cards81
Pham is 30 years old with a degenerative eye condition…he is injury prone and had only one good year in the mlb…the league was figuring him out and he was batting what…240…Bader is a better CF for sure…can easily steal more bases than Pham…and was batting around .270 before he was benched so Fowler can figure stuff out…O’Neill is absolutely tearing up triple A and is a power threat they the cardinals need…and by the way they are way younger than Pham and their eyesight is fine…so yea I think they are better than Pham
Adolpho67
Take a pill Cards81…remember the old days?
…there ya go!
cards81
Lol great argument..compelling to say the least..get a clue bud
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The Pirates are buying while the Cardinals are selling. Novel, to say the least.
bighiggy
Cardinals should have sold last year. When Lynn and Pham could have brought something decent back, stupid hindsight
AJPGotThat2020Vision
Wut
AaronCards
Actually excited that the cardinals are doing something with respect to selling. Big fan and was hoping to see things turn around but the awful defense has continued. Even if we had made I think to the playoffs, we wouldn’t deserve to win. Looking forward to see what other moves come today. Best wishes to Mr. Pham. I enjoyed watching him play in the Lou.
Gambit1193
Fleece job
baseballpun
Bader having a better season and is 6 years younger.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Younger but he’s not better than Pham.
baseballpun
What are you basing that on? One season in a 30-year-old player’s career?
hiflew
What are you basing that on? Hypothetical numbers on what a guy might be able to attain if all goes well?
baseballpun
Two players that are pretty comparable this season (Bader actually a little better). One is on the wrong side of 30. One is 24. Who do you think will be better in 2 years?
hiflew
I don’t know who will be better in 2 years, but neither do you. Bader could easily be playing in Korea in 2 years. and Pham could be an MVP candidate. Or vice versa. It’s all a guessing game.
c1234
I know people are saying they are giving up but this makes the team better, Bader is a way better player
baseballpun
I don’t think the Cards are going to get it together and get a WC, but the only player they’ve gotten rid of who has produced at all this season is Tuivailala. I don’t know how that’s “waiving the white flag.”
c1234
I guess that’s why Pham wasn’t in the lineup yesterday
bravesfan
Definitely a questionable decision from both sides but it ultimately makes sense
kaido24
I’m not sure how to feel about this one.
CuddyFox
Holland was not released. He was DFA according from Goold.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
I hope whether its this year or this winter. Marcell Ozuna finally fails his drug test. The last person to double and even triple their offensive numbers in a 2 or 3 year span was his former hitting coach Batty Bonds. How did he go from a career high of 13 home runs to 37 in a season and a half. No way its hard work. If that was the case. Ryan Braun would have been a legit MVP. He was not and it should have gone to Matt Kemp that year.
c1234
Can you stop please? I remember you complaining about this on the article the Cardinals acquiring him. How about Happ gets tested too.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Happ is clean. His career high in home runs didnt triple in less than 2 seasons. And. 2. This is the first time I said anything. About it. Now he’s off steroids and having a terrible year. He’s nothing more than a judy hitter without cheating. He’s the Latin american version of cody Ross.
c1234
Ian happ’s career high with a full season in the minors was 15 HRs now he hits 39 in 629 mlb at bats. If you call a cardinals player a cheater than I’ll call out a cub player. See how you feel.
jbigz12
Ozuna hit 23 bombs the season before he hit 37. Idk what you’re getting at.
stan lee the manly
Lol. He was 26 last year, not 34. There is such a thing as player development. He also hit 23 homers in 2016, not 13. They didn’t even double, let alone triple.
javier 3
Bad trade again with what the cardinals got in return. Over the last 4 years the only good trades they’ve made are Gonzales for O’Neill, Jay for Gyorko, the Ozuna trade, and that’s all I can think of. Anyone agree?
GoRockies
Gonzales had been a very good pitcher, I would say that was a bad trade
stan lee the manly
O’Neil hasn’t even had a real chance yet. He’s hit almost 30 homers this year between triple A and the majors on top of fixing his plate discipline enough to maintain a 300 average at triple A. Add that to the fact that he can play all three outfield positions and he has plus speed, especially for a power hitter, and this guy has a chance to be a serious impact player. It’s way way too early to be calling this a “bad trade”, especially because the Cardinals starting rotation has been so good. They had zero need for Gonzales and turned him in to a player that does fill a need
jbigz12
O’neill for Gonzales wasn’t a need trade at the time. They had a glut of outfielders. Piscotty, Grichuk, Pham, Fowler, Bader, J. Martinez. They liked his upside more than Marco G. But I don’t think that was a deal to fill a need at all. They’ve shipped out a ton of OF’s since but that was a choice not a necessity.
stan lee the manly
They may have had a lot of outfielders, but they had almost no power. It wasn’t about his position, it was about what he could do with the bat. Their quest for additional power was pretty well documented at the time of the trade
marinersblue96
The Cards doesn’t need a pitcher who is currently 12-5, 3.37 ERA, 111/25 SO/BB, 1.162 WHIP, who BTW is 5-0 with a 1.87 ERA since June? Really? I like O’Neill, but he’s a one tool player, epitome of a AAAA player.
stan lee the manly
Have you seen all of the young controllable talented starting pitchers that the Cardinals have? They have three in the bullpen just because they have no where to put them in the rotation, and that’s with Wacha and Reyes on the shelf!
As for O’Neil, have you looked at all at what he’s done this year at AAA? 311 avg, 26 homers, raised his OBP by almost 70 POINTS because they asked him to work on his plate discipline, above average defense in right, 5 assists, double digit steals for almost every year in the minors (although these are down this year), as well as 3 more homers at the major league level for his brief call up. This isn’t a one tool player lol, he’s showing above average tools in pretty much every area of his game. He’s obviously not the same player you remember leaving Seattle, player development is a real thing
oldhaus
It’s too early to say this. Gotta give O’Neil a chance before we can say this for sure.
birdsfan415
Holland was DFA’d but not yet released.
Steve Adams
Thanks. Mental gaffe on my end.
bucketbrew35
Not sure why so many Cards fans seemed to have soured on Pham. Sure he’s having a down year, but he seems like a legitimately good player that works hard.
kaido24
I didn’t sour to him fwiw.
comptoncardinal
I don’t think Cards fans have soured on Pham. He was a fan favorite, actually had some personality, leaves it all on the field. I’m going to miss watching him play.
baseballpun
I like Pham personally but I never really thought he’d be able to repeat last season. Late bloomers just don’t usually sustain that kind of success.
eatonculo
Management may not think much of Pham but Cardinals fans never soured on him at all.. He always got the benefit of the doubt from fans here in St. Louis.
He hasn’t played very well this season but our fans always seem to balance “production vs. salary” above everything else. Pham is very valuable compared to his salary. Most fans enjoyed Pham very much.
nste23
Wow I thought they could get a bigger return
bighiggy
Me too, would have rather traded him and norris to the yankees for Warren and austin.
Bryzzo2016
WOW! That return…. meh. It’s amazing how quickly Pham’s shine diminished. He was arguably their best player last year, now he’s in TB?!?
3Rivers
CARDINALS BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. LOVE TO SEE THIS FANBASE LOSE AND SUFFER ♥
AaronCards
Who hurt you
baseballpun
So you haven’t been this happy since, what, the mid-90s?
srmocardsfan
I never was a fan of pham’s. I think cardinal fans over rated him like they do allot of players in the organization. Fact is he had one decent year at age 30. career minor leaguer that caught fire for a short time. Like allot of minor leaguers that come up on fire. When major league pitchers figure out how to pitch them the fire goes out. Pham’s fire is very dem and I dont see it getting brighter anytime soon. I’m glade hes gone while we could get something out of him
64' Yanks
For the last two months, Pham played injured when he should have been on the DL. He had a pulled groin.
Vanilla Good
but Bader and O’Niell are like, awesome, right?
Sideline Redwine
I have been waiting for Justin Williams to wear the TB jersey…I missed his only AB…and now this??? There is a reason the Cards are dumping Pham. Ugh.
eatonculo
Pham’s a good player. They’re just trying to create room for all the outfielders they already have and get younger players. They want players with options.
hiflew
Pretty good return. Tampa’s #14, #25, and a third guy. I may be biased though because Justin Williams was always a star LF for me in OOTP franchise mode.
Lou4ever
Terrible trade Cards should have sent Jose with and got Archer in return. Once again another weak deal by Mo. Cant wait for ownership to wake up and see that Mo is the real problem in STL.
baseballpun
I’m sure the only reason the Cards didn’t trade Jose and Pham for Archer is because Mo didn’t think of it. And neither did Tampa. If only the thought had crossed their minds!
Kane U.
You’re an idiot if you think that would get Archer.
andthenisaid
Didn’t Pham come out and say something publicly about not liking the way he was treated by the front office? That sealed his fate with the Cardinals imho.
stan lee the manly
He wasn’t happy with the extension talks because the Cardinals weren’t willing to commit “star money” without seeing sustained success. The guy is nothing if not confident in himself…
cards81
It wasn’t just about the extension contract talk…he also said he didn’t like how they handled him…he thought he was better than the mlb outfield the Cardinals had while he was in triple A and raking…that think is what sealed his fate…it’s funny because he just got traded because there are better outfielders that are getting blocked by him and Fowler…so they got rid of Pham so they can have a chance….sorry Pham but the cardinals are just heeding your advice
64' Yanks
I don’t know he said anything, but he’s been playing injured (groin) for the last two months. So, so much for being loyal to the Cardinals. . The Cardinals front office is a mess!
oldhaus
Fans are so conditioned to either ‘buy’ or ‘sell’ trade for the present season, they don’t get a basic trade for this and next season. Pirates and Kela trade is of this kind too.
TBRaysBucsBolts
Ho hum, Tampa Bay rays buyers at the trade deadline again….wait, what?! I have to admit I didn’t see this coming. I realize Pham’s numbers are down this year, but he is an immediate upgrade over Gomez in LF. Wow, the Rays must actually believe they will be competitive over the next few years. That’s nice to see as a Ray fan. I also like the increase in international slot money.
iverbure
The rays are buying statement didn’t age well
snakebyte32
Hope this turns out like the Jim Edmonds trade a few years back. Everyone then was like who is this David Freese kid. Oh just some 26 year old that won’t amount to anything…. Here’s to hoping. This deal seems light at the moment however…
andre b.
Like this trade. Rays will do good next year not just bc of this trade but we have loads of prospects almost done developing.
KierMayor
I think it’s laughable when people come to the notion that teams are “firmly out of the wild card” as if 2011 never happened. Let me remind everyone that TWO teams gained 8+ games in ONE month. Let’s not forget there are TWO full months left in the season. The collapse that allowed the Rays to gain games, came by the Red Sox, so the notion this couldn’t happen to the A’s or the Mariners, is absurd.
michaelw
I agree with you. Which is why the Nats aren’t trading Harper. I still not convinced a young Philly team takes the division. Everyone jumped on the Arz band Wagon when the LAD were 8 games out. A fast a hot bteam n slump can change things.
Adolpho67
This is a baseball divorce. Pham has aired his animosity towards the Cards many times, very publicly. Felt he was intentionally held back in the minors by Mo. Time to clean house!
Phillies2017
I give the Rays a slight edge here
Williams could be a starter, but despite his age, a sub 700 OPS in AAA isn’t encouraging
Cabrera looks like a swing
Ramirez seems like a taxi guy
bpskelly
I don’t like the move simply because it’s selling low. But in reality as exciting as Pham was for 100 games last year, he’s 30 with a degenerative eye condition. Getting anything for him — even though I think we sold low — was probably a good idea.
Just not sure about the timing of it or the return. That’s all.
Djones246890
While you’re at it, can the Cardinals give the Cubs Dexter Fowler back? Poor guy was tortured in the arm pit of America. He’d be a .300 hitter if he was still on the best team in the NL Central. Dex is a Cub for life!
muzzachunka
Cubs blow. Manager keeps Cubs out of World Series with his daily lineups. They had their 1 shot & it’ll be another 100 years before they sniff Series again.
Kane U.
You can have him.
Adolpho67
Just 2 years ago in 2016, Cards had a new, exciting OF of Piscotti, Pham, & Grichuk. All with cost-control. They were set for years!
Now, Bader-O’Neil-Ozuna. Set for years!
What will 2020 bring?
snakebyte32
Well on this one the cards only have Ozuna through 19, and have tied themselves to Dex till 2045, so it won’t be the typical set for years theme…
muzzachunka
Why would Cardinals give up on Pham?
bshort7
The thing is they didn’t give up on him. They gave him a chance and sucked. He had a great year last year but he was too high on himself and proved nothing.
Triteon
The last time the Cards shipped a guy out like this it was Colby Rasmus. Before that, can’t-miss prospect Brett Wallace was traded. If Pham is as good as he claims, Tampa will be trading him within the next 12 months.
snakebyte32
The difference in the Rasmus trade was that we actually got some MLB players in return. All they achieved with this trade is getting the team younger. Honestly wish him well in Tampa. He seems like a very driven guy. I don’t think it is a white flag moment yet, but it sure looks like they are leaning more toward a 2020 timeline to compete for the division again.
Kane U.
Good, Bader needs to be a starter anyway.
bradthebluefish
Cardinals should have traded Bud Norris. He is a free agent at this year’s end. Why hold onto him? And I doubt he clear trade waivers in August. He’s too good.
Ash paladium
Tommy Pham is a typical MLB cheat. Guy basically hits no home runs his whole minor league and major league career and then just all of sudden starts bombing out home runs. Can’t blame these guys. It’s either take it and make money or dont and be out if the league. The MLB is obviously covering up its Ped use. They knew that the fans want to see home runs so they basically bust someone ebery now and then to make their testing look legit. If it was legit the league would be clean. Baseball died when the salary cap was removed. Now it’s a bidding war.