SUNDAY: The Rays “appear content” with their current lineup, according to the Tampa Bay Times’ Marc Topkin, who adds it would be “unexpected” for the club to make any more trades with spring training nearing. That seems to cast doubt on the possibility of the Rays acquiring Realmuto.
SATURDAY: Twists and turns continue in the saga of Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto, who has been a dominant presence in trade rumors throughout the offseason. As of Thursday, the Padres, Reds, Dodgers and Braves were reportedly the last remaining suitors for Realmuto, but the Rays have worked their way back into the mix, according to Joe Frisaro of MLB.com. While it seemed earlier this week that Tampa Bay had exited the race for Realmuto, the club has “re-engaged” as spring training nears, per Frisaro.
Fresh off a surprising 90-win season in 2018, the Rays entered the winter as candidates to make noteworthy upgrades, despite their low-payroll ways, but have mostly shied away from headline-grabbing moves. The Rays’ biggest pickup thus far has been right-hander Charlie Morton, whom they inked to a two-year, $30MM contract, and they’ve also reeled in the less expensive trio of catcher Mike Zunino (via trade with Seattle), infielder Yandy Diaz (via trade with Cleveland) and outfielder Avisail Garcia (one year, $3.5MM guarantee). With those four in tow, the Rays are only projected to open the season with a $59MM-plus payroll – far below their $76MM-plus mark from 2018 – as Jason Martinez of Roster Resource estimates.
Fortunately for the small-spending Rays, acquiring Realmuto would not cause a sizable dent in their budget. He’ll earn $5.9MM this year, his second-last arbitration season, and that relatively inexpensive sum only increases his appeal from their standpoint. At the same time, it also helps explain why the Marlins have been holding out for a bounty for the soon-to-be 28-year-old Realmuto, who was the majors’ top catcher last season. And the Rays, whose farm system features nine of ESPN’s Keith Law’s top-100 prospects (subscription required), likely have the ammunition to get a deal done if they’re motivated.
However, should the Rays land Realmuto, it’s an open question whether Zunino would remain in place. Tampa Bay could simply keep Zunino as Realmuto’s backup, thus giving it the game’s best behind-the-plate tandem, but the former may once again become a trade chip in his own right. With a quality track record, two years of arbitration eligibility remaining and a sub-$4.5MM salary for 2019, Zunino could bring back a player(s) capable of helping the Rays’ roster at another position. Zunino has already netted a solid return in a trade once this offseason, as the Rays acquired him in a five-player deal in which they parted with a cheap, starting-caliber outfielder in Mallex Smith.
The Marlins, meanwhile, may receive a Realmuto replacement as part of a trade, which could make Zunino an attractive target for them. While that’s merely speculation, they have discussed veteran backstop Tucker Barnhart in trade talks with the Reds, Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com tweets. Additionally, a potential deal with Cincinnati could include 22-year-old third baseman Jonathan India (previously reported) – whom the Reds selected fifth overall in last summer’s draft – as well as at least one “lesser” prospect, Mayo relays. Acquiring Realmuto would be the latest sign that Cincinnati’s aiming to return to contention in 2019. The Reds are currently coming off their fifth straight sub-.500 season and fourth straight campaign with fewer than 70 wins, but they’ve since picked up a slew of household names in various trades.
Like the Reds, the Padres seem hopeful they’ll put several years of irrelevance behind them during the upcoming season. Although the Padres haven’t made any significant improvements yet, they’ve been connected to Realmuto and other stars in the rumor mill. Trading for Realmuto would surely take a bite out of the Padres’ loaded farm system – a unit which includes a whopping 10 top-100 prospects, per Law; subscription required). Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported last week that the Marlins wanted big-hitting catcher prospect Francisco Mejia from the Padres in exchange for Realmuto, but it doesn’t seem that’s the case anymore. At this point, Miami’s interest in Mejia isn’t “especially high,” according to Morosi, Therefore, it’s “likely” that the Marlins would instead need one of Fernando Tatis Jr., MacKenzie Gore or Luis Urias from the Padres in a Realmuto package, Morosi writes. Tatis, Gore and Urias rank first, second and fourth among the Padres’ prospects at MLB.com, which places Mejia third.
It’s currently anyone’s guess which uniform Realmuto will don in 2019, but it seems we’ll find out in the coming days. The Marlins are within two weeks of opening camp, and it’s unlikely Realmuto will still be on their roster at that point, Frisaro suggests.
Yes, we’ll find out in the coming days. This is true.
Who cares where JT gets traded… we want to know the insider that breaks the story…Who’s got the scoop?
JT coming back home to SD! His uncle owns a bar in Tijuana and he dated a chick that worked at On Broadway in the gaslamp district. It makes too much sense!
He dislikes seafood and consistently warm temperatures and wants to go to a city with a NFL team.
Could you imagine choosing to play in some dump like Philly or NYC instead of San Diego? I don’t understand people
Funny, i responded to a homer like you on the Machado-Padres article. have any hard facts to back your point up, or does your rationale include trite clichés like “the weather is better” and “the food is better”
Weather is better. Food is better.
But San Diego isnt a sports town.
Beaches bars great weather great food hard to sell going to a game now a days.
I mean, they are right but they are also leaving out the part that SD is one of the most boring, swagless cities in America.
I’m sure that when Realmuto is considering where he’d like to go he is considering family ties, quality of life, raising a family…not swag.
Does not matter what he thinks.
He does not get say for 2 years.
SD a boring city??? You have got to be mentally ill to make a statement like that, there’s literally ALWAYS something to do in San Diego
Aside from making sand castles and staying classy?
Jackin’ it,Jackin’ it ’ it, Jackin it Jack…
I’d take a city like Philly where the people are honest over a city full of phoneys any day.
Great food is a terrible argument when year after year Philly rates as the best press spread in baseball. Look it up.
I don’t want to live in a city where people use the word “swagless” to describe anything.
Spankin’ it, slappin’ it, spankity slap…
Ye, all those trophies in SD….how could he resist!
Yeah! How much did the unions and that City Councilman steal from the people of Philly? Was it $630 million or so? Great cheesesteak sandwiches but honest? No.
If lower crime rates is boring,good people,1hr drive for Snow,1hr drive to desert,30 min drive for border for the best Tacos,beautify Woman from all over the world living in this town,”I Love Boring!”
San Diego is slowly becoming more of a baseball town. Chargers left, only pro sports team left is the Padres. And trust me, people are beginning to buy in and believe that this team is really trending upwards.
JTR has no input where he is going, he will go where ever the marlins trade him to,
Why and the hell would want to play for the padres , they suck
There’s great weather and food in the city he wants to be traded from.
Oops, had it wrong, thanks for correcting, JD
Swagless? You need a girlfriend, little kid.
When did the Chargers stop playing football?
They stopped playing football in San Diego and moved to LA. Where have you been?
The Chargers are playing in Orange County in a soccer stadium in front of 20k fans, most of which are fans of the “visiting” team.
Wow.
Ummm they don’t play in OC .
No, they do not play in Orange County.
The Chargers play in what used to be called StubHub Center, which is located in Carson, CA. Carson is firmly within the borders of Los Angeles County, not Orange county.
You do realize he has no say in where he gets traded?
Remember when these offers included guys like Victor Robles and Kyle Tucker? Now it’s India and other lesser guys
The longer it goes, the more likely the return will be the 28th round and 32nd round picks of the Yankees in 2018.
well, they are Yankees picks, so they have infinitely more value.
He’s gonna get traded for a PTBNL.
or cash
India and a pair of Jeter rookie cards.
That’s what happens when you overplay your hand
You never know the truth about past or present offers. That said, if the Rays get him, the AL East could be a three team race. Imagine how great it could be WITHOUT a wild card? Anyone Old enough to remember 1979 (there may more recent examples but 79 sticks out to me) will remember how great it was when the I’d beat NY and Boston by 2.5 games. Three of the best teams in the game fighting for a single playoff spot. While wild cards have made it more interesting for fringe teams, the beauty of baseball had been 154 and then 162 games for very few spots. It used to be the most wins went directly to the WS. Then two divisions with just one 3 out of 5 series. Then three divisions and 1 WC. Now 2. Pretty soon for that extra buck, the sport will be like basketball and hockey with 50% of the league making it. God, I hope not.
i agree. i hate the wild card
that devolved quickly unto an irrelevant tirade.
As I recall the Pirates where the BEST team in baseball, as they won it all.
Almost all of the WS winners since 2000 still are the teams with the most wins over the the full schedule. They just have to play more games. Realmuto would put the Rays in the hunt, however he is very expensive and Zunino is a fine player with upside so they don’t need a catcher as much as the rest of the other bidders.
I think the mariners would argue against that
Yep, we are family year but the pennant chase is what historically set baseball apart from other leagues. Games nightly in August and September, each game building on the last. Then two head to head series usually a week or so apart. Four or five men rotations also separated baseball from other sports. A real team game. Just my take and yes it’s relevant at least to me.
*O’s
walls17, perhaps you were unaware but as time goes on and less years are guaranteed, trade offers will get smaller.
How is India lesser? Top 5 pick last year …
Shows how much these mooks know…
Robles #4 overall – 70 FV prospects. Tucker #8 overall – 60 FV prospect. India #53 overall – 55 FV prospect
m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=prospects
Woah! He sited MLB’s top prospect list! That’s definitely the be all end all to prospect evaluations.
I personally agree with the sentiment that India is not as good. I just don’t think an “appeal to authority argument” is a very good one, especially when mlb.com’s prospect rankings are so terrible.
I think India should actually be MUCH lower on that list. He has done nothing to impress and has a very limited ceiling.
Woah! He cited to only his personal opinion on the value of a prospects he certainly hasn’t seen play all while knocking someone for citing to a professional evaluation.
Good thing we have your expert opinion to set everyone straight.
You’re welcome. I have seen them play btw
India sucks
He’s not as good of a prospect as tucker or Robles
Right, he is probably not as good as Tucker or Robles, but clearly Houston, and Washington are not willing to trade those prospects for 2 years of Realmuto. The Fish have been way overvaluing Realmuto.
I don’t understand the fit from the Rays perspective. He’s not going to come cheap and you already have zunino. Not to mention they definitely wouldn’t extend him and, while they’re a good team, this isn’t exactly a gaping window of contention for them
Rays simply has too many bodies take up space in 40 man roster. They need to ship out some of them for win-now rather than waiting out and lose them in rule 5 draft. (Just like they had to ship Felipe Vasquez and German Marquez for sake of crowded 40-man roster situation.)
With already crowded 40 man roster, they have to add Nate Lowe, Nick Solak, Josh Lowe, Lucius Fox, Garret Whitley, Vidal Brujan and possibly more in a year. Matt Duffy (2 years team control), Daniel Robertson (5 years team control), Joey Wendle (5 years), Brandon Lowe (6 years), Willy Adames (6 years) and up and coming guys like Nick Solak, Lucius Fox, Vidal Brujan, Christian Arroyo if he proves he can stay healthy, Too many MLB caliber infield players for limited roster spot.
It is not hard to imagine they would like to deal guys like Brandon Lowe, Jesus Sanchez and Zunino for Realmuto. I don’t think Rays are yet playoff caliber team in AL East. They need to squeeze out at least 3-4 more wins to be a legit contender and Realmuto might be the last puzzle piece to the mix.
Not to mention Wander Franco is most likely going to be in MLB when he’s 19.
Not to bust your balls but the Marlins are going to want top talent.
None of those guys are top Rays prospects.
I think that would be the maximum trade package small market team like Rays can offer. Marlins would hope Reds to include both India and Trummel then it will significantly better their future.
Not to bust your bubble, but the Rays aren’t going to be trading Wander Franco.
Isn’t Sanchez their number 2 hitting prospect? The dude is way better than India, and easily on par with a Mejia or a Ruiz.
There is zero chance that the Reds would part with India and Trammell for Realmuto. It is not even clear if India would be traded, but it has been very clear that Senzel, Trammell, and Green are no starters in trades.
Agree that Rays have the most incredible system – so rich in position players. If I’m Miami, I let TB keep their top ten prospects and do some serious shopping beneath that. Guys like Brandon Anderson, Nick Solak, N Lowe/J McCarthy, Linares, Fox, and onward. Miami needs quantity as well as quality.. Miami should avoid any of the current Ray regulars other than Zunino.
Brujan would be a huge catch for Miami – a top ten prospect in baseball come next season.
Yes, they have the minor and controllable MLB talent but The Rays won 90 games and the Marlins want to pick right from the heart of the Rays starting players! Is it worth to trade for Realmuto and lose Duffy, Yarborough, Sanchez and M Perez or related deals that has been rumored? I personally like what M Perez brings as catcher. Anyhow, too many teams leapfrogging for Realmuto to keep a level head for the Rays FO to analyze properly. Most fans wouldn’t complain if their team lost in the bidding.
Wonder if the Dodgers apparent concerns over pitch framing might make the more apt to look at Zunino. Perhaps a 3-team deal would be plausible with Zunino going to LA, Realmuto to Tampa, and prospects (mostly from Tampa, one or two from LA) to Miami.
Can’t do a 3 team deal without Seattle, that’s the rules
It does contain a former Seattle player…
Rowsdower? Is that a…. stupid name?
Hahaha finally someone gets it. Well done sir
Regurgitation..
Pitch framing? Blah. If Realmuto had caught the LAD pitching staff instead of the wildass Marlins, his “framing” would have been just fine.. Pitchers with good control get more favorable calls from the umpire … that’s the simple truth of it.
Agreed….as an umpire, pitch framing or “trying to steal strikes” is a totally overrated “statistic”. Good pitching, and consequently…good catching, equals favorable calls by an umpire much more so than catching an out of the strike zone pitch….then obviously moving your glove several inches, and holding there waiting for an indecisively bad call by Blue!
I agree completely, this “stat” is smoke and mirrors, without any smoke and without any mirrors. Every umpire will say they call balls and strikes where the pitch crosses the plate and not where it catcher gloves it, let alone, where he moves his glove after he catches it. When umpires are fooled about the location of a pitch it’s by the same pitch characteristics that are designed to fool batters: location, sequence, break, arm angle.
Sorry but you could not je anymore inaccurate on that. It’s easy to tell from posts who’s played the game and who hasn’t.
Was this comment meant to be educational in any way? If so, it kind of fails completely. I have asked many times in these comments for any theories (any whatsoever) about how pitch framing works, what skill is involved, and if it’s real, why it can’t be taught. I have asked how umpires, who will say to the very last man, that they call pitches over the plate and not where they are caught, are not telling the truth. I have also asked how it is possible for a catcher to be good at pitch framing in one season and not in the next, and then be good at it again. Did they forget how to do it then remember again? I’ve asked these questions many, many, times. I’ve been offered answers to them exactly zero times.
As usual, plenty of downvotes, but no answers to simple, direct questions. The defenders of the pitch framing stat are still batting .000, and that stat is completely real.
Why would Tampa include the Dodgers if they are the only team giving up any value?
Not sure what you mean. You include a 3rd team to lessen the number of your own prospects you have to give up.
This guy needs to be traded already
When and where is the Spring Meetings taking place?
I just can’t wait for talks to reach the advanced stages.
im getting déja vu…
You don’t have to click on the story(ies) people (?)
Let Jeter trade J.T. for whatever or whomever he wants.
The wise xabial returns to bless us with his deep insight. Prior to reading your marvelous post I thought 1: that i had to click on the story, and 2. I was going to somehow not let Jeter make a trade (even though he is CEO and not GM).
But now my perspective has changed, and for the better!
Sarcasm aside, xabial, what are you even on about?
If you’re going to be a smart ass you must first be smart.
If youre going to imply that I am not smart you must first explain how I am not.
Jeter isn’t a Yankee anymore, stop acting like you have to be a homer for him anymore.
I can’t wait to see how the Marlins screw this one up. Realmuto should’ve been dealt already. They’re going to blow this and end up getting a disappointing return or no return at all.
The next article just needs to be announcing he has been traded. This is beginning to be a joke.
Where are all the knobs from last month who said Jeter overplayed his hand and wouldn’t get anything for Realmuto? Seems to be the fish are going to get at least 2 top 100 prospects out of this.
If anyone was willing to give up 2 Top 100 prospects this would have been done a long time ago. No one is biting and the price is dropping.
They have totally overplayed their hand. They’re holding out for Kate Upton and will end up with Rosie O’Donell.
Twists and turns… Saga?? Really????? This is news of crisis level proportions. Why don’t we just add the Giants, Blue Jays Rockies, D-backs, Astros, Cubs, Red Sox, White Sox, Orioles, Rangers and Angels to the mix???? Heck, why don’t we add the Brewers (from the AL 1970-1997), the Expos and both Senators teams on to the mix as well?? Oh the pathos, oh the humanity!!!! The saga continues. ……..
Heard the Washington Generals are in the mix… theyre due
Just hold off on the Realmuto stuff until the trade actually happens at this point. Marlins want to drag this on forever
This daily Realmuto “latest development” discussion is the only way for the Marlins to get national attention. Once he is traded, no one will know who even plays on their team.
Totally agree Hawk. Post (sorta) jester has lost my first ballot vote!
Opps I actually met to spell jeter , ironic isn’t it!
Post yankee jeter that is . Gaaa I’m stopping now.
I can’t wait for this guy to get traded. Nobody clearly knows who is the front runner. Every couple hours the Reds are the front runner, then the Pads, etc
Neither of them will get him, pads are just trying to run up cost
A few days ago Mejia is an absolute must and now he is not of interest at all? Come on Morosi. Your credibility is hanging by a thread as it is this offseason. Make up your mind.
The Padres have said there is no scenario in which Tatis, Urias, or Gore would be traded. They also included 3 more that were off the table, Morejon, Paddack, and Patino. If Miami is asking for any of those, I can see why the Padres are not involved in trade talks anymore.
they may at least consider trading Urias if they are seriously considering getting Manny.
Urias is a 2B. No reason to trade him to make room for a shortstop and Kinsler will not block him for more than a few months. If you have seen Tatis play you know there is no way the Padres trade him regardless of who they sign.
Urias has played all the infield positions save first i beleive. my point is if you get Manny and have Tatis up, the only of the three positions they will need to fill is 2B, which can be sufficiently filled by another player besides Urias if they feel a dire need to trade for Realmuto with him.
And you wonder why the Padres haven’t made a trade all offseason lol.
Those 7 guys would be the #1 prospect on 16 teams.
Of those 7 guys Pads will be lucky if 2 make it to ML.
Statistically, five should make it to the majors, but only two will ever achieve a 2.0 WAR season.
If India (53), who would rank 8th in the Padres system which had 7 guys in the top 50 prospects, would be the headliner in a trade for Realmuto, then the Padres would not have to include any of the guys Morosi mentioned. The most they would have to offer as a headliner is Michel Baez or Logan Allen if that is the case. Mejia would even be an overpay.
Trade is not that orange and apple. With all respect to BA and MLB Pipeline, I truly believe each MLB team’s own scouting department is better than them combined. If certain organization prefers #70-80 range prospect rather than #30-40 range prospect, then maybe in reality that prospect A is better than B going forward despite of their BA rank. I get that people would not trust Marlins scouting department with their recent history – few mega trades ending up with ZERO top 100 prospects this year.
That being said, I am no expert but I would rather have India over Mejia.
Which is what the Marlins may end up getting. All 7 of the Padres in the top 50 would be the #1 overall prospect on more than half of the teams in the league.
What are you smoking?
They are not giving up anyone in there top 5.
India is the highest prospect they are getting.
1 in the top 100 AT MOST.
Overplayed there hand, and got less.
You are wrong, The bidding for Realmuto is very steep. confirmed close calls on a trade was Dodgers- C Bellinger,, K Ruiz and a lower prospect that the Dodgers finally turned down. Where have you read that the bidding has lowered from this offer?
Bellinger was never, ever part of a package for Realmuto.
Dodgers made it clear from the beginning that Bellinger would not be included.
Yes he was! and the Dodgers turned that down. They actuall aske for him and more? Check MLB December Realmuto trade rumors.
Why would you rather have India? I literally don’t understand the love. He projects to be average across the board if not below average.
Projected to be an above avg MLB’er.
But is is blocked by Nick and the lot
I may be biased, but he’s the #53 overall prospect after 1 season in the minors. That’s a very good ranking in such a short time.
Why do people keep looking at MLB.com like it’s gospel?
You need to stop being so sacrilegious, lol. It’s because there are so many prospects in baseball, and it would be difficult to keep up with all players. Can a player be better or worse than their rankings? Yes, of course.
Nick Solak is borderline top 10 for Rays. Despite outstanding AA numbers as a 2B last year (better than India will ever have)) he is completely blocked at TB. He’s the type of player Miami should be shopping for – Rays have a bunch of them.
You are full of it.
Solak is not a 100 MLB prospect, and India is ranked 53 (depending on who you follow).
India has a lot more upside.
Look before you leap! Look at Solak’s numbers.
Those who prepare the rankings are the first to tell you: a #30 prospect has no greater liklihood to succeed in the majors that #100
Statistics say higher prospects make The majors more often than lower prospects, What is a definite fact! is a #30 prospects is worth more in $s and as trade bait.
Those who prepare the rankings are the first to tell you: a #30 prospect has no greater likliehood to succeed in the majors that #100
Realmuto has to understand that if the rays are in last place going into the trade deadline, there is a 100% chance he will be moved. As long as he is good with that then no problem
I highly doubt the rays will be in last place when they share a division with the orioles
Marlins are high to ever think they’d get any of those three
Why not. Realmuto is clearly worth anyone of those prospects.
Trade For Realmuto. Than can trade him later. . .
I would think Zunino would be part of the Rays trade package heading back to Miami.
The Minnesota Twins are rumored to be another “mystery” team checking in on a Realmuto trade. This proposed trade could take the form of either a two team trade or a three team trade. Either way, unnamed sources indicate that Jason Castro would be headed back to Houston to fill their catching void.
Pads. Quit clowning around. Realmuto isn’t a necessity. Give Hedges one more reason to see if he makes a nice leap offensively. Trade Mejia, an outfielder or two, and a nice prospect like Gore for a controllable ace. Then go out and trade another couple of prospects for another mid-range controllable starter. And then call it an offseason. (Unless of course you want to go in for Manny….that’d be cool.)
Yes, trade 5 good prospects for two players on a team that is 2 years from competing. This isn’t a video game.
Not if they are controllable for a few years. I wouldn’t know about video games. i’ve never played one. So, I don’t understand what the comment means. And if you get an ace and mid level starter, that two years just became one. And it attracts other players like a moth to a flame.
I’m done with your comment. Next.
If you want an ace and another good starter, 4 or 5 prospects will be the going rate. This is reality, not “video games.”
They’re holding out for Kate Upton and will end up with Rosie O’Donell.
What are the odds the Marlins break camp with JTR? I think it’s possible.
I’d say odds-on with how stubborn the Fish are being
Very possible. In fact probable at this point. The fact that they refuse to let anyone negotiate an extension just shows they would rather screw Realmuto than help their own cause.
God forbid the extension talks with another team breaks down, Marlins lose all leverage, why would they let him talk extention???
They wouldn’t lose any leverage. If the extension talks falls through, they go right back to where they are now. I bet you are the kinda guy who doesn’t ask girls out because that way she cant say no.
I would say 50/50.
No real news in the last two days, maybe they gave someone the 72 period?
Jetter was a great player, by a poor GM.
The funny thing is, he’s not even the gm. Get your facts straight before you start criticizing.
There’s nothing here. Honestly, I don’t think it’s worth posting anything about Realmuto until there actually is something.
The Fish are playing an endless game of “here’s their offer, now you do better.” And they’re the last to figure out that nobody else is playing anymore.
in sales you come strong w your best offer and that’s it. no one likes a client taking your price and shopping it all over in an effort to save a couple of bucks. marlins are clearly doing that and will likely settle for something far less than they should have.
I still think it is between SD and CIN. I suspect the Marlins are playing those two to see if they can get a quality 3B prospect into the deal.
If that’s what they’re doing they would have already pulled the trigger on India.
India fits that bill.
A very good, but not an elite prospect.
And the Marlins need a 3B why? It’s the only position they have covered (Brian Anderson).
Someone please trade for him. I’m sick of hearing about.
Haven’t we heard all of this before? Today really was Groundhog Day.
My sources tell me its a done deal already.Just waiting until after the SuperBowl. Realmuto and Conley to the Rays for Sanchez,Duffy,Yarbrough and Fox
That’s a good deal for both teams.
Ugly for Marlins for a few reasons. Duffy? No Marlin need whatever. Yarbrough? Why? Sanchez, Fox, Brujan works. Brujan, Hernandez works. Solak, McClanahan, N Lowe, B Lowe works.
Reds need to dish out Barnhart and India and some cash or they’re gonna f this up QUICKLY
I am sure that is basically the offer.
Maybe a lower level prospect or 2.
The longer the Marlins wait the more chance they mess this up, they should go with their first gut idea in this decision. I would take the prospects if I was them, they are a long way from contending in a division. I think the Reds and Rays would get the most bang for their buck signing Realmuto.. I would look to get Allen and Paddack from the Padres for him.
Doubt the fish get 2 top 100 prospects.
They would have taken that by now,.
That’s what he’s worth, maybe that’s why they haven’t traded him.
Not if no one offers it.
lmao just get a deal done already Marlins. he’s got good numbers not great. catchers position is so weak he looks better than he actually is.
Playing all his games away from Marlins Park, Realmuto is likely to put up a 5.0 WAR. He’s outstanding.
I am not a huge fan of the WAR stat. how can you truly tell how many wins a player is worth given all factors? idk I think it’s an overrated, and overused stat imo
big stats I look at is on base, average, and defensive runs saved.
A person on here that doesn’t love “WAR”? It’s a miracle. And thank you, WAR is tue most over used and over rated stat in sports IMO
Whether you like WAR or not all the best players have the best WAR.
Yes. All the best players have the best war. And they are the best because WAR says so..right? Is that circular reasoning? Nah.
Proven and Legit 5 tool player at the C position is pretty great.
I fail to see how he a 5 tool player
3 tools is more realistic
Hit, power, speed, arm, and defense. All legit & current tool.
What speed? What defense?
Shhh! Go to Google.com don’t tell anyone
Defense? Seriously?
After google, go to Wikipedia. After that go to
Are you serious? You have obviously never seen Realmuto play if you think he is slow.
If the Marlins best offer right now is India, Barnhart, and a lotto ticket type Prospect. I’d continue to wait till July 31st. Yes it’s a risk he might get injured and/or production might not be the same but I’m happy to bet on JTR to continue to perform as arguably the best C in baseball and hold out for a much higher/better offer.
And if I’m Preller, Friedman, or AA I’d call Hill, who’s working on borrowed time, and better that deal.
If that’s their best offer every team should be calling Hill and saying I’ll give you a better offer!
This guy isn’t Bench, the Reds know what to offer and if they don’t get him they won’t be crying over spilled milk. India will go somewhere sometime, but they aren’t in a rush.
Nobody is comparing JTR to bench
Lol. The closer he gets to free agency, the worse the offers get. The trade deadline wouldn’t net you anything but a few fringe minor leaguers at best.
Lol If you say so, then it must true. Lol
San Diego fans are delusional and completely clueless.
Would you humor me with your pithy generalization of all 30 teams?
I don’t think it’s they’re choice at this point. Reds made their offer. Marlins are holding out in hopes someone will top it.
Sounds like Leo is lost and clueless
I don’t need any further context to upvote this. There’s been plenty with the Padres expecting to get elite prospects for nothing.
Cincy should hurry and do it they already have Suarez and Senzel so theirs not much need for India i would do India and a catcher for Realmuto in a minute
I’m sure you would but I don’t think the Marlins would
May be the best they can get
Isn’t it crazy how off a team can be. The Reds had Grandal and D Mesor some guy who they felt was better and more ready. The Reds choice got injured and ineffective for the next six while Grandal succeeded largely. They also gave up Alonso 1st baseman. Rays could possibly get Realimoto to condense talent and repackage him for an ace.
That’s bc at the time Latos was legit
The Reds got fleeced on that Latos trade. They traded 1 guy who had already been an All-Star (Volquez) and 3 future All-Stars(Alonso, Boxberger and Grandal) for a head case. No idea what Walt Jocketty was thinking. Latos had decent numbers in SD, but it was known he didn’t get along with teammates and teams usually don’t trade young controllable pitchers. Not to mention he was a fly ball pitcher, not ideal for GABP
Let’s be real
Imo
Latos sucked
Alonso sucked
Volquez sucked with control
Grandal used steroids and alienated the pitching staff and it pushed the issue of trading him after his reconstructed knee
Box was good for a few years and had no issues
Latos had a 3.31 ERA (3.51 FIP) with 7.7 SO9, 2.6 BB9, 8.1 H9 & 0.8 HR9 in 522.1 innings pitched with the Reds. Idk why you would think he “sucked” when his stats say otherwise.
Box was good for a few years, and now he sucks.
As Eddie pointed out, Latos was a very good pitcher with the Reds before they flipped him.
And they got Disco in return. Average in 15, and fantastic in 16. Injured since.
How did the Reds get fleeced? Latos was great for them. Alonso was blocked in their system. There was only room for one of Grandal or Mesoraco. Volquez was terrible. Boxberger has never posted > 1 WAR in a season. Then they were able to flip Latos’ last year of control for DeSclafani who has been quite good when healthy.
No one is acquiring Realmuto to flip him.
No one does a 3 team trade, which is basically what they are saying.
I’m a little surprised the Rays wouldn’t push harder for Realmuto. Seems like a perfect fit for them….need at catcher (Zunino will not be the answer), always in need of a big bat in the lineup, and he’s controllable…..Rays just never want to pull the trigger on a big acquisition.
“Sources are now telling me with Tampa Bay out the Realmuto race is now down to 28 teams. More details to follow.”
Race is down to 33 teams.
Teams from Japan are still in on him.
Mike Zunino and Christian Arroyo for JT? Or is that too much? Kean Wong instead of Arroyo?
Not enough for JTR
Lol
You don’t know nothin
A backup catcher and a fat poor defensive IF who can’t stay healthy or hit AAA pitching….ya, OK….
Any Rays offer starts with Sanchez; now add 2 pieces, GOOD pieces from an admittedly strong system.
And BTW the Rays have had a pretty poor offseason. Smith for Zunino will go down as the worst trade they ever made, rivaling the Marquez-Dickerson disaster…..if Morton was healthy, he’d still be an Astro…..and their love for Diaz is shared by no one. Bauers isn’t much, but he’s better than Diaz.
It’ll be a typical Rays’ summer. They’ll limp to the trade deadline, then move Duffy and Pham for some more “tomorow”.
Once again a writer (Frisaro) gets used by an agent and/or a team desperate to juice up the market. Personally, I am hoping Reds, Dodgers, Padres, Astros all walk away. Marlins need to understand that this guy is going to decline in value even more if they don’t take the best deal currently on the table.
How will JTR decline in value?
Over the next 18 months he will decline in value from where he is today (somewhere between 2 top 100 MLB prospects to 1) to a supplement draft pick in top 100 of picks in 2021 (if Marlins are lucky that may get them a top 200 MLB prospect by 2023/24). The decline in value doesn’t just occur in August 2021, its gradual.
Where is the evidence that guys with 1 or 2 year windows increase in value between Jan an July trade deadline? Examples ???
2016 trade of Lucroy to Rangers for Luis Ortiz and Brinson, two top 50 prospects at the time.
Lucroy had one more year left before Free agency after that deadline trade was made btw
And where is the evidence that Lucroy would not have been worth that or even more in January?
Like I said prior, if the best the Marlins have right now is India and Barnhart then I’d wait til July 31st
Realmuto’s value would double if Wilson Ramos, Tucker Barnhart, Yadier Molina, Wilson Contreras,, Gary Sanchez, etc. blew out a knee or shoulder in spring training.
Realmuto’s value is extremely high now. That is why no-one can confirm a deal with the Marlins. There are at least 10 teams already in on him and he’s better than all the catchers you have on that list..Buster Posey may be the only one better and he’s getting old now as well.
I get your point; however, it’s fairly clear that it’s not nearly as high in the marketplace as the Marlins believe it should be. if the Reds’ offer of India and Barnhart is truly the best one out there that would mean that this market for a catcher of Realmuto’s quality is clearly down from what it would’ve been in previous years. The Marlins have the option to wait and see if he becomes more valuable before the trade deadline. I remain skeptical.
In the end, the market is what it is. Teams are increasingly more sophisticated about the value of players with limited windows of control. It’s my sense that the Marlins better take what they can get and move on or they’re going to be stuck with an asset that is declining in value as each week passes.
Realmuto’s trade value goes down every passing day as his club control diminishes and the false hope of signing him to an extension dissipates.
Because he’s a proven commodity. Six months from now he’ll be a proven commodity that is 6 months closer to free agency.
I think the Braves have the best offer but the Marlins are hoping someone will beat that offer.
Back in December when the report was the Braves are no longer discussing a deal with Realmuto to me that meant the Braves have submitted their best and final offer. Marlins are hoping someone beats that offer.
That could very well be. But if the Braves are like the Padres and taking their 6 best prospects off the table, then India is probably the highest ranked prospect the Fish are being offered right now.
The offer for Realmuto is much higher than everyone mentions here. He’s the best all around catcher in the majors presently and your talking about a #25 mlb prospect as the prime piece in a trade? rediculous…the Marlins won’t accept less than 1 MLB exp. player, #50 prospect and another prospect with potential. I’m no Marlins fan.
Someone do something with JT Harper and MM! I’m so tired of this and the season is right around the corner
Who cares about the “latest on JT Realmuto”???? Same “news” every day.
Please just make it stop.
Bahahaha. A dump like NYC. Obviously, never been to a major league city.
Realmuto needs to get traded but Marlins probably going to drag it out until the bigger names get signed. Seems like the motto will be wait until early February until agents get nervous and lower their demands to get better deals on signing players because these last 2 offseasons have been snoozefests.
If that what’s it takes, then so be it.
From the Braves perspective, who’d you rather have, Realmuto or Kimbrel??
Realmuto >> Kimbrel
neither
Bull … both and we have the resources to get both without making much of a dent
Then what happens to McCann/Flowers??
Ask AA that.
One of them, flowers, can likely get packaged to get JT. By no means is he the main item, but I’m sure the marlins would like a solid replacement for the time being. If not, he can be traded for something I’m sure. Definitely not anything big, but something. Cash, project minor leaguer
The Harper, Machado, and Realmuto matters have all become uninteresting. Maybe Dombrowski’s got a point with the ‘offseason deadline.’ Bring on pitchers-and-catchers!
Astros,Brewers,Red Sox make the most sense for Realmuto in my opinion for the 2 years. Only way Reds and Padres should be in is if Realmuto agrees to an extension prior to the trade.
I think JT is gonna get a contract extension with the Marlins. This way we can discuss this for a few more years! Enough already.
Brewers signed Grandal to a 1 yr 18 mill contract…how is he a fit? Red Sox have a worse farm system than the Marlins. They don’t have enough to trade for JT and Astros have already backed out.
So burnt out on this trade, I hope the Reds drop out.
Exactly..
We’ll (the Reds) get him sometime this week. The Marlins are facing the truth that the Braves and Padres won’t give them what they want and they’ll have to deal.
Second coming of Babe Ruth. Ridiculous.
Seems that the Marlins dropped the price, and now are trying to raise it again. Mejia was reasonable in headlining a trade package for the Padres, but this talk of Urias, Tatis, or Gore is ludicrous.
Doesn’t make any sense when Marlins are asking the Reds for India which is a prospect in the 50-60 range, but wanting a top 30 prospect from the Padres. Jeter can kick rocks with asking price!!
To be fair, prospect value in a vacuum does not offer much difference between a top-35 and a top-55 prospect. You can swing and miss or hit huge on either one. Not like it’s India vs. Vlad Jr here.
Im more inclined to believe that it’s not so much the Marlins being so inconsistent in what they are asking for as us getting incomplete information.
As a Yankee fan, I hope the Rays get him. That would likely make the AL East a very interesting three way race.
Ok without reading the article let me guess: “trade talks are heating up with four potential suitors”, and “expect a decision soon”?
Flowers would go to the Marlins. The last report I read the Marlins want Ian Anderson and company or Austin Riley and company and when I say company I don’t mean Flowers.
The Braves aren’t particularly interested in trading Riley because they see him as the future of third base. Anderson is getting some scouting reports as having the cieling of an ace and the Braves see it that way as well. As they have not yet developed an ace, they aren’t interested in moving him either.
So it could be the Marlins are choosing from two prospects the Braves intend as future fixtures.
With Realmuto having just two years of control and unwilling to sign an extension, I just can’t see how the Braves are willing to part with prospects they think are future cornerstones. JTR is little more than a rental.
Atlanta should pass. They hold the cards here, not Miami. Remember: The Marlins need to trade Realmuto more than the Braves need to trade for him. Make an offer to the Marlins. If they say no, formally bow out.
I fully agree, I read they wanted a MLB ready player as well on top of our prospects. The MLB guy was Albies with Soroka or Riley. I remember last july Ender was of discussions. If Im AA, only way I go get Realmuto is with an extension.
I would trade Dansby and Soroka for a extended Realmuto. Other than that piss off. Anderson is a future ace and riley could be called up by july if Donaldson gets hurt. Also the bond acuna and albies have, I would hate to break that up
Rays should sign Gattis
Derek Jeter and company need to think about future negotiations. They are obviously holding every team, fan and player hostage to the J.T.R. process. I only hope when the Marlins are in need, other teams yell out, “Remember the Alamo! (aka J.T.R. negotiations).” Marlin I’ll one day need to deal for a good play only to find that maybe….the shoe is on the other foot!
Before you rip into me to much, I do know that is how thee game is played! Time to end all of thes shenanigans!
I hope the Reds are able to obtain Realmuto. Along with the other additions they have made this offseason, Realmuto could very well be the icing on the cake. Which could make the Reds the surprise sleeper to win the NL Central Division!!!