After you get your turkey in the oven, feel free to check in on a few notes from around baseball.
- The Blue Jays made an offer to right-hander Kyle Gibson before he signed with the Rangers, reports Shi Davidi of Sportsnet. It’s unclear exactly how much Toronto was willing to put on the table, but it was presumably less than the $30MM over three years Gibson got to head to Texas. With Gibson off the market, the Jays now have to look elsewhere to fill out an uncertain rotation mix. That figures to include at least one free agent on a short-term deal, Davidi notes, and Toronto has to this point cast a wide net in its quest for starters. Not getting Gibson could also spur the Jays to work out an agreement with Matt Shoemaker, Davidi adds. The team has been discussing a deal with the arbitration-eligible righty in advance of Monday’s non-tender deadline.
- The Padres brought in a noteworthy outfielder and reliever in separate moves yesterday. Even after acquiring Trent Grisham and Drew Pomeranz (as well as starter Zach Davies), the Friars could be on the hunt for additional outfield and bullpen depth, per Peter Gammons of the Athletic (via Twitter). Second base, too, stands as a target area, which makes sense considering the Padres parted with Luis Urías to acquire Grisham and Davies. Whatever will be addressed first, there’s “more to come” in San Diego, one Padres executive tells Gammons.
- While the Padres figure to look externally for second basemen, they do have some internal options who remain in the mix. Ian Kinsler is still on hand, although he’s coming off a disappointing season. One under-the-radar name to monitor is Esteban Quiroz, as Jon Paul Morosi of MLB Network adds (via Twitter) that his presence in the organization played some role in the team’s comfort parting with Urías. Soon to turn 28, Quiroz is atypically old for a prospect. However, he had a long track record of above-average production in the Mexican League before entering the affiliated ranks in 2018 with the Red Sox. The Padres acquired Quiroz in a minor trade just over a year ago, and he continued to show well in the high minors. In 366 plate appearances with AAA El Paso last season, Quiroz slashed .271/.384/.539. Fangraphs’ Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel wrote in May that Quiroz “has a chance” to be an everyday-caliber second baseman.
Schoop in San Diego??
Villar was just put on waivers and is also a fit. Maybe one of them was on good terms with Machado?
Villar was never a teammate of Machado’s
Yeah, the club brought in Bobby Dickerson, Wayne Kirby and Ryan Flaherty. Why not bring an on the field former teammate of Machado’s. A platoon of Quiroz/Schoop would take care of 2B
@ bleacherbum . . . . . I will personally pay to ship 2B Robinson Cano to the Padres, I just hafta find a box to poke some breathing holes in so that he can go below with the luggage.
This officer is here to ensure there is no cheating!
huh?
You’re obviously not a golfer.
I’d rather save the $10m per year on Villar or Schoop and bring in a SP or two.along with trading Myers (eating 60% of his salary) and two prospects for a No. 1 SP or No. 2 SP.
Lastly need another OF with good D and who can hit above .280 with a strong OBP..
Even if the jays offered 3/30 it would be much less in total take home than 3/30 from Texas.
Canadian dollars!!??
Nah, Canadian income taxes.
Canadian income tax is very similar to many US states. So stop already with this nonsense.
OK Thanks!
Canadian income taxes being similar to “some states” is irrelevant. What matters in this case is how it compares to Texas. There is no state income tax in Texas. Canada can’t beat that.
Income taxes are not an issue. Players pay taxes in ever state where they play not just the home state
When you play over half your games in Texas it is an issue. both TX teams are in the same division so that’s a lot of income under Texas law.
If there are lower income taxes there are going to be fewer services. And if there are fewer services there are going to be greater social ills, including higher homelessness, substance abuse, and crime. These ills affect everyone, not just those needing and receiving services (or not). Lower income taxes negatively affect everyone. Depends on the society you want to live in I guess. Save your taxes to spite your nose.
clrrogers is correct. Canada has an HST that differs from province to province. The amount of HST a Canadian pays every single day on purchases is absurd.
Nonsense. Taxes become corruption. Canada is now becoming a terrible place to live especially without freedom of speech. As a Canadian I can say paying more taxes doesn’t make for a better life.
Pffft, you don’t know what you’re talking about, fireglibby. You are whining about paying more taxes yourself, unable to see that it creates a better society by helping those in need. Think of this: 50% of the population have an IQ of 100 or less. Now, even 105 and 110 are vulnerable to unscrupulous businessmen who insist they have no responsibility but those to shareholders; in small businesses, read shareholder as themselves; they have no responsibility to anyone but their own profit. As payday lenders, for example, they will strip the average laborer, who is likely low IQ, of 30-40% on transactions. And conservatives support that because they hate poor. So, some of us see that people with 100 or less IQ’s need protection and assistance, because they are likely exploited on wages and services such as payday lending. Hence, the dreaded “nanny state.” You would love to leave these people to the wolves, wouldn’t you? Because you are no doubt selfish, self-seriving, small-spirited and short-sighted. There is nearly 100% overlap between the 50% with an IQ of 100 or less and the 49% conservatives claim (falsely) do not pay taxes. Who are these? The 100 or less IQ, the disabled, the working poor, retirees, the chronically unemployed, and other constituents of the poor… There is a reason and need for the so-called “nanny state.” Conservatives simply lack the moral imagination to grasp it.
No arguing politics on Thanksgiving!
Mo, you aren’t Canadian. Don’t tell Firegibby he doesn’t know what he’s talking about because he does. We all pay a big tax for every single purchase we make. Every….single….one….
Canada’s free speech also under assault; certain type of rhetoric, if deemed to be the case, can land a person in prison. Free speech. Not so free.
Please take your little rant elsewhere. I can poke holes in your short-sighted crap you just wrote, but you know nothing about Canada. Stay out of it.
This is all extremely inaccurate lol but its thanksgiving so have a good one!
Sales tax is regressive. It affects the poor the worst because they have to spend every dime to live. No doubt you have disposable income/savings, so you don’t spend everything you earn, you don’t pay sales tax on every dime. The rich are even worse; they pay sales tax on next to nothing they “earn”. Sales tax, btw, is the darling of conservatives, exactly because it affects the poor worst (is regressive). So you can’t whine. Liberals prefer income taxes, because they are, in most places, progressive. We lost much of free speech here after 9/11. In the name of national security.
What a pile of nonsense.
Whether you make 30-thousand or 30-million, every person pays an HST on every purchase every single day. I can whine because I am Canadian, you aren’t. Liberals prefer any tax and any homelessness because they want people to need them and they want to control people.
As for Conservatives….well, the guy who gave us the GST was from Quebec. That basically means he’s a leftist conservative – think John McCain but more left wing.
But anyway, you know nothing. You complain about your free speech being lost after 9/11. You have it a lot better than Canada. Way better.
You don’t pay any HST on most groceries, so no, NOT every…single… one…
Mo4ever, You’re not very condescending are you? And I live in Upstate NY…a big part of our economy depends on Canadians crossing the border to shop for clothes (to avoid the exorbitant GST) or paying cash for health care services that they may die waiting for in Canada. And NY’s taxes are near the highest in the nation and we have all, or more, of the problems as states like FL and TX that have no income tax.
Melkor – walk into a Grocery store, buy items and leave, I bet you will still pay HST. Why? Because you would purchase anything beyond basic items the overwhelming majority of the time. Although some items at the grocery store is exempt from HST, not all are and you will pay it every…..single…..visit.
You also missed the basic message. As did Mo.
God bless the Queen.
And the beautiful land of Canada.
Where they take all your canadough!
Poor chap Mo never walked into a DMV in America. Must have never witnessed a government ran shop operate in America. Your tax money gets burnt up faster than Bernie Madoff burnt wealthy Americans! Keep drinking your Kool-Aid that the tax money is being spent efficiently!
In the great State of Maryland where I reside payday loans shops are illegal. Which is great. Payday loans are not representative of American Business. You can stop predatory business and not give all your sheckles to the government at the same time. That is what you do not grasp, sir!
No I got your message, you just had to lie to make it. Live your life how you want.
Let’s play the politic game some where else, we could argue about the far left socialist or the conservatives until the cows come home.
Lol Jays probably offered 3yr 24 million. The Jaime Garcia experience probably still hangs over their judgement…the front office better pull a rabbit out the hat.
Why are you putting too much stock in pcl numbers ?
They mean nothing
If they were bad, that would mean something.
Quito’s can join other recent PCL standouts who translated that into huge MLB success like Ty France, Carlos Asuaje… Austin Hedges.
Quiraz… autocorrect.
FFS…
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I miss Fire Joe Morgan
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Quiraz has strong OBP decent BA, hits LH and has some good D at 2B he could rotate with Ty or Garcia.
Grab VILLAR NOW. And you look like a genius for dealing Urias Preller.
We don’t need Villar at $10M a year, we need SP, we have two or three who can play 2B at far less than $10M per year. They will get the job done for now. I like Ty or the guy who’s 28 and has a strong D with an ave. BA. (Quiraz). Save the rest of whatever money is still in the piggy bank and get a decent FA SP for $15M to $20M per year who can take a No. 1 spot in the rotation.
How about Jason Kipnis as a left-handed platoon option with Kinsler in SD? I would have to imagine they are inquiring about several of the many cheap 2B options in the market this year.
As for Toronto, I think Porcello & Tehran make a lot of sense. They could be rotation plugs on 1 or 2 year deals as Toronto gets closer to contention.
Kipnis might be too pricey for a platoon role and isn’t the slickest defender anymore.
Nah Toronto has enough of those types of pitchers. They need to go for an Ace and a 2. They have the money it’s time to spend.
It’s time to spend… lol spending doesn’t equal winning. And overpaying for SP is the best way to never win not shocked you don’t know that.
If the Jays non tender Shoemaker, Drury, Law and Maile that would give them around $8m to spend on a starter. And for what those 4 guys gave then last year any addition would be an automatic upgrade.
No excuses from the front office this offseason.
they could also not non-tender shoemaker and also sign a starter for whatever money they want..
That sounds too logical for this front office. Ownership is going to want to be “frugal” this offseason…again.
When do they see the window opening with Guerrero, Biggio and Bichette?
Mo, nobody knows. The window should begin next year but more likely 2022.
I agree 100%
why do they need to worry about payroll at all? They have very little on the books. There is no need to cut it. I would argue that they take on a bad contract or two, provided they are short term and paired with a quality prospect.
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“Quiroz slashed a .271/.384/.539” in El Paso… an extremely hitter friendly park against non-big league pitching. Am I missing something here?
It’s absolutely a hitter-friendly environment, but that line was still 22% above average in the PCL (adjusted for league, but not park). Between that and some favorable evaluations from scouts, I think it’s fair to like Quiroz in the short-term. I would also look into the numerous second basemen available in free agency to strengthen that mix and expect the Padres to do so in time.
Ryan Wheeler I’m guessing the .384 OBP and .923 OPS?
Yes I know it’s the PCL and France and Urias did the same…..but that’s what they were highlighting so I guess “what you were missing”.
The one thing that really jumps out – hitter-friendly league or not – is how incredibly little he strikes out. Sure it hasn’t translated to any great BA’s yet but if he can make a few minor adjustments and make harder contact at similar rates to how often he’s putting the ball in play now — there are VERY few players who have that kind of contact majors or minors. Also he’s not entirely just another untested minor leaguer — he played in the Mexican league for several years before coming stateside the so he’s got a bit more experience than the average AAA 2B
Do you mean the same Mexican league where Chris Carter hit .293 with an OPS of 1..158 last year? So his hitting experience was about as valid as going to the batting cage.
VILLAR NOW BEFORE HE’S GONE!!
Mlb TR writers… Take the day off!!! Spend it with your family. Take it from someone who doesn’t have any family left.. enjoy the holidays with them. The baseball rumors can wait.
Happy turkey day everyone
We had part of a slinky. But I straightened it
At least they work from home…..
Hey jayspoon: Best sentiment I’ve read in quite awhile. I agree. So sorry you have no family left—holidays or not. Bless you.
Toronto…..you dodged a bullet.
Agreed. Gibson is strictly a #4 who remains healthy. If that.
Saying Kinsler had a disappointing season is like saying the Titanic had a minor accident. I think Preller is the only person in San Diego who is fine with him still being on the team.
I believe he’s still owed $4M on his two yr contract. Let’s see what Ian can do in ST and take it from there. I like the 28 yr old in EP, Quiroz is LH hitter strong OBP, has good D at 2B at least rotate with Garcia for a year. I don’t see the need to make 2B a priority we need SP, utility C, since Myers is going and possibly Naylor back to AAA, another OF with good OBP and someone who can average .280 or higher
I’ll believe Myers is gone when he is actually out the door, not before then. Fans wanted him traded last year even for a bucket of balls. He’s still a Padre.
Wil: You’re a fine player—when you try. Don’t know what’s messing with your game. Seek help or resolution with whoever or whatever is. All of these negatives can disappear only through your choice and action.
Will Meyers & a prospect to Boston for David Price. Solves problems for both teams!
I think Kinsler moves into the Front Office at some point during ST when they “need” his roster spot.
I think they are holding onto him because what he is owed without a replacement
I for one like the trade with the Brewers, I feel the Friars came out better. Time will tell but from most analysts they like the favor going to the Padres. I feel its good for both teams
Padres should go after Moose. Makes sense to have him at 2b. He already has relationships with Grisham/Davies/Pomeranz and Hosmer. Give him a 2/3 year deal.
Preller acquired quiroz and vosler last year. He could turn to one of them to be the heir at 2B. They also have miller and also have abrams and edwards a few years away.
Still need to move myers. If you acquired grisham maybe you look at attaching patino baez arias and potts to make sure he gets playing time in LF.
Vosler plays 3b and 1b. You might as well assume Myers can play 2b.
The fruit of the Jays supposed free agents efforts is obvious. They are bargain basement shopping. Shapiro is terrified of free agent dealings. He belongs as a director of player development or building a minor league system not as a MLB level president.
#trusttheprocess
🙂
How much of the process is about winning and how much of the process is about Shapiro keeping his job? Lol.
The latter. If they were willing to give 2-years to a scrub like Gibson then there is a problem. I’d rather they spend zero and give the young squad a full year to make or break themselves.
Or go all out and overpay the big stars. That won’t happen, so I’m back to spending zero.
Yah Guests, you are cute correct. Sigh. So much for Shapiro saying that that the Jays were going to play all the levels of free agency.
While I agree I think a lot of what they do is based on being owned by a billion dollar conglomerate and thinking about the shareholders.
Lefty in left field…not ideal.
Rodgers communication……. I can see you are in rebuild mode but honestly; will you ever allow the jays to spend? You’re a monopoly company in Canada smh…. and go Yankees, evil empire repping in the 6ix
*Rogers
I’ve taken the time to correct your last bullet point. See below:
“The Padres will look externally for second basemen.”
Good move by Preller.
There’s a surplus of 2B options that would be an upgrade over Urias that can be afforded by the Padres. Villar would be an immediate great fit, or a pricey Merrifield, but even Kendrick, Gennett, Schoop could be solid stop gaps before Edwards, or Abrams comes up.
Young left handed hitting OF hitters are harder to come by then a 2B. Grisham has done something Urias still hasn’t proven he can do, hit MLB pitching.
Davies as stated by Verducci “is a sleeper in the deal” he locates on the corners better than any pitcher in baseball, and his sinker will play well with Machado, Tatis and Hosmer in the infield.
Lauers stats are inflated at Petco and will be exploited in MIL.
“Good move by Preller.”
How do you figure????
“There’s a surplus of 2B options that would be an upgrade over Urias that can be afforded by the Padres.”
Cool. Name them.
“… could be solid stop gaps before Edwards, or Abrams comes up.”
So in 2 years?
“Grisham has done something Urias still hasn’t proven he can do, hit MLB pitching.”
Which explains why Urias had a .371 OBP last September once they finally started using him correctly. But more importantly, they are trading for what both players will do, not what they have done. And Urias will do much much much more than Grisham.
Grisham hit 8 points higher than Urias last year in 60 less at bats…hardly proof of anything. And Urias hit 50 points higher than Grisham (with an OPS 40 points higher) over his minor league career. Grisham hit well in the PCL last year, which was the norm. Padres fans assuming Preller knows what he’s doing…which by now you’d think they would have absolved themselves of.
I think Quiroz is a potentially solid 2B if given the opportunity to play in the Majors. I was excited a couple years ago when the Red Sox signed him from Mexico but he never got a shot with them or a shot last year either. He seems to have pretty amazing contact ability as he hardly ever strikes out and as long as he can keep up something similar to that at the games highest level I really think he could surprise some people. I know AAA had a sudden burst of power last year with the changes to the balls and what not BUT he did even show some decent pop for the first time last year and hey – who knows maybe he can carry that over as well and be a guy that hits 12-15 HRs while maintaining a .270-.280 BA – all while putting the ball in play at an exceptional rate!