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When The Cardinals Almost Traded Away An Ace

By Connor Byrne | April 29, 2020 at 7:11pm CDT

Right-hander Jack Flaherty has developed into an immensely valuable building block for the Cardinals since his first full season in 2018. He truly came into his own last year, a 196 1/3-inning showing in which he pitched to a 2.75 ERA/3.46 FIP with 10.59 K/9 and 2.52 BB/9. Flaherty was especially untouchable during the second half of the campaign, as he notched a stunning 0.91 ERA over 99 1/3 frames down the stretch to help the Cardinals to a National League Central title. The overall effort led to a fourth-place finish in the NL Cy Young balloting for the 24-year-old.

While Flaherty now looks like an irreplaceable member of the Cardinals’ roster, it wasn’t too long ago that they showed a willingness to part with him. Sure, the Cardinals invested quite a bit in him – they took Flaherty 34th overall in the 2014 draft – and he became a consensus top 100 prospect as a farmhand, but they considered moving him in an effort to bolster their offense.

When the Cardinals were trying to acquire outfielder Giancarlo Stanton from the Marlins after the 2017 season, Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch wrote that the Redbirds were open to dealing an “elite pitching prospect such as Sandy Alcantara or Jack Flaherty” to make the trade happen. A swap did not occur, though, as Stanton decided he would not waive his no-trade clause to go to St. Louis.

In hindsight, the Cardinals dodged a bullet. Stanton was coming off an NL MVP-winning season at the time, and though he’s still an effective player, injuries and a decline in performance have weighed him down the past two years in a Yankees uniform. And Stanton’s contract would have been a burden to the Cardinals, as he still had $295MM coming to him at the time and continues to be owed well over $200MM now.

The Cardinals couldn’t get the Stanton deal done, but their talks with the Marlins did lay the foundation for a notable trade between the teams. A few days after Stanton said no to St. Louis, it acquired fellow outfielder Marcell Ozuna from Miami. It was costly for the Cardinals, who gave up Alcantara and another young pitcher, Zac Gallen, as part of the package. Both of them have since turned into quality major league starters, so they’re missed in St. Louis. Ozuna’s no longer on the team, either, as he left for the Braves in free agency this past offseason after two solid years as a Cardinal. But at least he didn’t cost the team Flaherty, as Stanton might have.

Stanton wasn’t the only big bat whom the Cardinals considered trading Flaherty for heading into 2018. They also reportedly were willing to surrender him for then-Blue Jays third baseman Josh Donaldson, who was entering his final year of team control and was due $23MM. Thankfully for the Cardinals, the Jays declined their offer. That proved to be an enormous mistake by Toronto, which finished well below .500 in 2018 as Donaldson struggled through an injury-riddled year. The club did end up trading him to Cleveland that August, but it received a much lighter return in the form of righty Julian Merryweather, who’s now 28 and still hasn’t pitched in the majors.

There’s a saying that sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make. That holds true for St. Louis in the two aforementioned cases. The organization was clearly fortunate to retain Flaherty, who has evolved into one of the most effective pitchers in baseball. And as someone who won’t reach arbitration until next winter, the Cardinals aren’t in danger of losing him soon, nor will he put a major dent in their payroll in the near future.

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53 Comments

  1. mlb1225

    5 years ago

    Another good one you could revisit is the Rays willing to trade Matt Moore or Alex Cobb for Javier Baez.

    Reply
    • bjupton100

      5 years ago

      It sounds familiar. Cobb/Odorizzi for Tatis seems like it would be a similar trade to what the Sox got for him. Cobb was probably above that in value at the time and with control and certainty I’m sure Odorizzi had a lot of surplus valuue.

      Reply
    • johnrealtime

      5 years ago

      Or when Manny Ramirez was put on waivers in 2003 for a payroll dump and no one claimed him

      nytimes.com/2003/10/30/sports/baseball-ramirez-is-…

      Reply
  2. RunDMC

    5 years ago

    So STL dodged a bullet by not trading away Flaherty for Stanton and his gargantuan contract but then traded away Alcantara AND (stud) Gallen for Ozuna…? Whew. STL just giving away pitching.

    Reply
    • johnnydubz

      5 years ago

      Gallen is in Arizona(whoops). Good thing PEDs can’t help you become a good gm.

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      • californiaangels

        5 years ago

        lol Mia traded gallen to Ariz

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        • RunDMC

          5 years ago

          That couldn’t have happened if STL didn’t trade him, folks.

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    • hollidayfever

      5 years ago

      Gallen isn’t a stud by any measure. Maybe he could be, but that’s definitely not his pedigree. He’s more of a solid #3-5 guy, but that’s still very valuable. I would liken him to a less talented but lower ceiling version of Luke Weaver.

      Alcantra was surprisingly average last year, but the Cards have a million more just like him. He BBs too many and strikes out too few. He’s not of any consequence and would’ve never gotten much of a chance to start in STL with many better options ahead of him.

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      • JohhnyBets67

        5 years ago

        Gallen broke out last year, buddy! Prospects sometimes bust out despite not being on top 100 lists throughout their minor league career! Believe it or not!

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        • wild bill tetley

          5 years ago

          It’s only been 15 starts for Gallen. A very good start to his young career but too small a sample size to suggest he has broken out/emerged.

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        • JohhnyBets67

          5 years ago

          A couple of idiots up here! He pitched in Miami for another 40 innings so we’re at a whopping total of 80!

          And I’m talking about the AAA breakout that Gallen carried over into the major league season….. Gallen broke out last year.

          150 innings

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        • wild bill tetley

          5 years ago

          JohnnyBets you’re not a very bright human being, are you? AAA stats should not be brought up in this equation. AAA is not the major leagues. When a player reaches the Hall of Fame or a specific team’s Hall of Fame, nobody mentions AAA statistics. To use that as your argument makes your argument weak.

          Being the weak-minded individual you are, you need to work harder at your craft.

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        • JohhnyBets67

          5 years ago

          He made gigantic strides as a pitcher last year. He didn’t pitch to a 5 ERA in AAA and then suddenly twirl up 80 solid big league innings out of nowhere. That’s a break out. Any young pitcher could reverse course.

          And why don’t you two lighten up a little while you’re at it. It’s not a serious insult.

          Reply
        • JohhnyBets67

          5 years ago

          413 arguing about semantics now! Take your head and pull out of your a sss! I do not retract the stupid comment for you!

          Reply
        • wild bill tetley

          5 years ago

          “Dustin Ackley broke out last year buddy! Perennial All-Star.”

          – JohnnyBets67 in 2012

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        • JohhnyBets67

          5 years ago

          Poor form. You could’ve at least given me someone with good AAA and MLB numbers in the same year. Keep swinging for the fences, Billy boy!

          Reply
        • wild bill tetley

          5 years ago

          Sorry, couldn’t hear you while you were flatlining on the table. Ackley had a promising 2011 which you already knew since I used a factual quote from you.

          Reply
        • AssumeFactsNotInEvidence

          5 years ago

          Wild Billy Boy!

          2017 Billy Boy: Whit Merrifield isn’t breaking out!

          anecdotal evidence is perfect for the ret ards of the world!

          Reply
      • cards81

        5 years ago

        You can argue Alcantara and Gallen…Alcantara is good and hurt in my opinion but ponce and Gomber…definitely ponce is just as good as Gallen…it’s just that they don’t get a chance to prove themselves like they would on the Marlins

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    • Lanidrac

      5 years ago

      It still worked out. Ozuna gave them 2 decent years, a trip to the NLCS, and a comp pick, while the Cardinals have no room in their rotation for Alcantara or Gallen, anyway.

      Reply
    • rltkc11

      5 years ago

      If anyone has major league pitching depth to give away its them.

      Reply
  3. ericl

    5 years ago

    The Jays didn’t want to take Jedd Gyorko in the deal for Donaldson & that’s why they turned the deal. I think it would’ve been worth taking Gyorko to get a pitcher of Flaherty’s talent. The Jays could have just released Gyorko if they didn’t want him.

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    • jdgoat

      5 years ago

      I wouldn’t buy in to the report anyways since it’s Nightengale

      Reply
  4. Poppin' Balls

    5 years ago

    The Jays saying no to Flaherty for Donaldson is looking like the current regimes biggest blunder, even in hindsight there was no real justification for the denial.

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    • EndinStealth

      5 years ago

      It had to do with Gyorko.

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      • jr.white

        5 years ago

        still stupid

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        • EndinStealth

          5 years ago

          Only in hindsight

          Reply
  5. echozulu88

    5 years ago

    The cards have dodged some monster contract bullets that almost happened: Pujols, Stanton, Price… I don’t think they were ever really in the running for Heyward but the contract he ended up turning down would have ended up bad for their payroll.

    Reply
  6. thebaseballfanatic

    5 years ago

    *Jays fan sobs uncontrollably as he imagines Nate Pearson and Jack Flaherty in the same rotation for the next 5 years*

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    Reply
  7. Metsfan9

    5 years ago

    Maybe revisit the Gleyber-Chapman trade? That one seems to be a heated argument between people who think it was worth it for the Cubs and others who disagree

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  8. daysauce

    5 years ago

    I thought they talked about him in the goldschmidt deal too

    Reply
  9. ChangedName

    5 years ago

    Jays botched their rebuild so badly especially when it comes to building their pitching staff. They would be in an even better shape than they are now with young talent if they chose to be proactive to rebuilding instead of only doing it when they had no other choice.

    Reply
    • Vladguerrerojr20

      5 years ago

      Yup, the thing is, most fans would have whined about the new F.O tearing down the only playoff team they’ve had in years. I would have been all for it. Let Bautista and E.E both walk for Q.O’s (EE got one and we were rewarded Nate Pearson for it). They could have taken a haul for Donaldson, Sanchez was just coming off a 2016 ERA title would have garnered a nice package as well. We also still had Osuna(pre-arrest) and Stroman who had a lot of value. Then maybe you get a few pieces for Pillar and Happ that aren’t named McKinney, Drury, Valera or Law. I know they didn’t have J.D or Sanchez value but they were coming off good 2016 seasons (3.6 and 4.5 WAR).

      1
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      • wild bill tetley

        5 years ago

        And Smoak coming off a career year in 2017. Tepera would have been a coveted bullpen arm for the 7th and 8th inning for a contending team at the time.

        It was a massive miss for Toronto, regarding Donaldson.

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    • Stealing Signs

      5 years ago

      Blame the owner. There are reports out there that state Ed Rogers said no to a rebuild as he wanted to capitalize on the success of 15/16. I honestly don’t know how Shapiro doesn’t show up in an ‘I told you so” tee shirt every time he meets with him.

      Reply
    • jdgoat

      5 years ago

      The only guy who they could’ve traded earlier than they did was Donaldson though. Everybody else either tanked their own value before a trade could’ve realistically been made or else they brought back a good package.

      Reply
  10. Stealing Signs

    5 years ago

    From mlb:
    When the Braves agreed to a one-year, $23 million deal with Donaldson around Thanksgiving, the Cardinals were denied their bid to land the former American League MVP Award winner. They attempted to acquire the veteran third baseman from the Blue Jays during the 2017 season, but they were never willing to include Jack Flaherty in the trade. Another attempt was made to complete a waiver deal in August ’18.
    I have no idea if Flaherty would’ve been included in 18 but I highly doubt it.

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    • phillipmike

      5 years ago

      I was just looking for this quote. No way Cards are offering Flaherty for 1 year of Donaldson. Jays were right to ask.

      People want to believe one report that the Jays declined the deal but won’t believe this report.

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  11. jorge78

    5 years ago

    Does anyone know why Stanton didn’t want to go to St. Louis?
    It’s a classy winning organization. I’m confused
    (which happens alot…..

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    • Vladguerrerojr20

      5 years ago

      Stanton and Yadier Molina don’t get along because Yaddy caught Gian in bed with his wife on All-star weekend a few years back.

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      • hollidayfever

        5 years ago

        Wtf are you talking about?

        Reply
  12. bjupton100

    5 years ago

    It was the city.

    Reply
  13. seth3120

    5 years ago

    The Cards were trying to win. They had/have a pitching rich farm nobody knew Flaherty would be this good. Why the Blue Jays didn’t pounce idk. But glad to have Flaherty at the top of the rotation

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    • hollidayfever

      5 years ago

      They didn’t pounce because Flaherty was never on the table in a Donaldson rental deal. Nightingale is a lunatic who is wrong on every Cardinals hot stove take.

      Reply
  14. The Human Rain Delay

    5 years ago

    29 teams won that day, Yankees buying power takes a decade long dent

    Reply
  15. greg1

    5 years ago

    The Cards have been prospect rich on pitchers for years. With so many teams desperate for arms, especially controllable ones, the easiest way to get an All-Star is dealing a young pitcher. Makes sense that they were offering Jack around, thank goodness no deal was ultimately able to be made.

    As for Gallen and Alcantara, the Chrystal ball is always cloudy on pitching prospects. Yes, those two were considered top prospects, but Reyes was the untouchable. When he’s healthy he is electric, but knowing then what they know now, think the Cards wouldn’t put him in the package instead.

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  16. JohhnyBets67

    5 years ago

    If it was Alcantara instead of Flaherty; did they really dodge a bullet?

    With Stanton’s deal, it’s unlikely that the Cards trade for Goldy. That would’ve given them Weaver and Kelly back. It’s also high unlikely that they would’ve also acquired Marcell Ozuna. That potentially could’ve given them Zac Gallen back.

    Perhaps the Cardinals are marginally better off but I don’t think it’s significant. It’s very hard to say also because one move causes a chain reaction. It’s tough to speculate on what that chain would be.

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    • wild bill tetley

      5 years ago

      Cards dodged a bullet with Toronto. Whether the arm was Flaherty, Weaver, Hudson, Gallen or even Alcantara.

      Reply
  17. hollidayfever

    5 years ago

    What’s your definition of quality, and please show me another team with better viable MLB pitching depth. Most teams can’t fill out a viable 5 man rotation in the first place. It’s why journeyman innings eaters still get paid, because so much quantity is needed just to cover the necessary innings load in a given full season.

    You’re railing on their shopping overseas and free agency as proof of the lack of quality of their depth, yet recently it’s netted them Mikolas, Kim, Seung Hwan Oh. That’s like 10 WAR received from them in 4 total seasons, and one of them was a reliever and the other hasn’t thrown an inning for them yet.

    Quantity is literally the only way you’ll get quality when it comes to pitching. Injuries are inevitable. This is especially true for a team that perpetually picks in the bottom 10 in the first round.

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  18. Lanidrac

    5 years ago

    Actually, Alcantara and Gallen aren’t missed in St. Louis. They’re decent MLB starters, sure, but the Cardinals just don’t have any room for them. As you mentioned, they held onto the superior young starter in Flaherty, while they also have Hudson as a quality young rotation member, as well as the likes of Reyes, Gomber, and Woodford knocking at the door and Ponce de Leon as a decent swingman option

    For the same reason, the don’t miss Marco Gonzales either, who was out of options with no available MLB role and was turned into (at the very least) a decent bench outfielder in Tyler O’Neil, nor do they miss Luke Weaver who helped them acquire Goldschmidt.

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  19. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    5 years ago

    Damn the Yankees got away with highway robber Giancarlo Stanton and Cash for Starlin Castro. Marlins could’ve have Jack Flaherty. Marlins got the shaft with Ozuna and Yelich as well.

    Reply
    • cards81

      5 years ago

      They did not get the shaft with Ozuna…they got two legit SP…for Ozuna…they easily win that trade

      Reply
      • Logjammer D"Baggagecling

        5 years ago

        And more than likely they’ll trade them before they can even become aces.

        Reply

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