The Tigers announced this evening they’ve acquired outfielder Austin Meadows from the Rays for infielder Isaac Paredes and a Competitive Balance Round B selection. Tampa Bay had reportedly been shopping Meadows in recent weeks, and he’ll land in Detroit.
It’s a notable, largely unexpected strike for Detroit. There wasn’t any indication the Tigers were on the hunt for outfield help, as they’d seemingly been content to open the year with a Robbie Grossman, Víctor Reyes, Akil Baddoo trio. Top prospect Riley Greene fractured his foot over the weekend, however, and is expected to be sidelined for six-to-eight weeks. Whether Greene’s injury increased the urgency for general manager Al Avila and his staff to add to the outfield isn’t clear, but they’ll do so by bringing aboard a player who’s only a couple seasons removed from an All-Star campaign.
Meadows was part of the Rays now-famous haul from the Pirates at the 2018 trade deadline for Chris Archer. A top prospect during his days in the Pittsburgh farm system, he hit the ground running with a solid rookie showing before breaking out the following season. Meadows hit a massive .291/.364/.558 with 33 home runs in 591 plate appearances in 2019, seemingly emerging as one of the sport’s top young sluggers.
He hasn’t kept up that pace in the past two seasons. The lefty-hitting Meadows stumbled to a .205/.296/.371 line during the shortened 2020 campaign, striking out at an alarming 32.9% clip. That was obviously an anomalous year, and the the former 9th overall pick did bounce back this past season — albeit not close to his 2019 levels. Meadows hit .234/.315/.458 in 591 plate appearances, somewhat offsetting his 27 homers with a mediocre batting average and on-base percentage.
To his credit, the strikeout woes that had plagued Meadows in 2020 were corrected. He only fanned in 20.6% of his trips to the dish last season. His 77.2% contact rate was right in line with the league mark, while his average exit velocity, barrel rate and hard contact percentage were all a bit higher than average. Meadows was instead plagued by a career-low .249 batting average on balls in play.
That can’t all be chalked up to misfortune, as he has gotten increasingly fly-ball oriented over the past couple seasons. Among 135 hitters with 500+ plate appearances in 2021, no one had a higher fly-ball rate than Meadows’ 53% clip. That’s a recipe for hitting for power but also for poor ball in play results, as non-homer fly balls rarely turn into hits.
Whatever concerns one may have about Meadows’ batted ball profile, it’s still easy to see his appeal to the Tigers. Over parts of four big league seasons, he owns a .260/.333/.489 slash line — offensive production that checks in 22 percentage points above league average by measure of wRC+. While he hasn’t been at his best in two years, he was still an above-average hitter in 2021, and the 2019 campaign offers a hint of the kind of offensive upside he possesses if he can again bring his fly-ball rate closer to that season’s 42.9%.
Meadows does have rather marked platoon splits. For his career, he’s a .271/.351/.525 hitter against right-handed pitching. He owns a more pedestrian .237/.295/.412 slash against southpaws. The Tigers outfield already skewed a bit left-handed, with Greene and Baddoo hitting from that side of the dish while Reyes are Grossman are switch-hitters. Meadows doesn’t need to be a strict platoon player, though, and the rest of the Detroit lineup is heavily right-handed. Presumably, Meadows will step into an everyday corner outfield role for skipper A.J. Hinch, who’ll have the freedom to perhaps drop him down a bit in the order on days when the opposing team will roll out a tough lefty starter.
It’s an immediate upgrade for a Detroit team that has also added Javier Báez, Eduardo Rodríguez, Tucker Barnhart, Andrew Chafin and Michael Pineda this winter. Avila and his staff are clearly trying to pull out of their recent rebuild, and the Meadows addition should be a notable upgrade to the offense. It’s not an absolute win-now move, though, as the 26-year-old (27 next month) is controllable for three seasons via arbitration. Meadows and the Rays had settled on a $4MM salary for 2022, and he’s not slated to hit free agency until after 2024.
That makes Meadows a fairly affordable pick-up for Detroit, but he was part of a large arbitration class that might’ve put a strain on the Rays payroll. Even after subtracting his $4MM salary from the books, Tampa Bay has a projected franchise-record $83MM player payroll, according to Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. The Rays reportedly made a run at Freddie Freeman, so they were willing to stretch beyond their typical comfort zone for the right player, but that surprising pursuit always seemed to be a recognition of Freeman’s star status.
In addition to whatever payroll constraints president of baseball operations Erik Neander and his staff might’ve been facing, they clearly felt prepared to deal from a position of organizational depth. The Rays have Randy Arozarena, Kevin Kiermaier and Manuel Margot on hand as outfield options. Top prospect Josh Lowe, meanwhile, seems ready for a big league look after hitting .291/.381/.535 in 111 games with Triple-A Durham last season.
The team apparently feels Lowe is ready for a significant role on a team with World Series aspirations. Rays pre-game broadcaster Neil Solondz tweets that the club plans to recall the 24-year-old to break camp in the majors. Given his status as a consensus Top 50 prospect, Lowe will certainly be in line for regular at-bats. He, Margot and Kiermaier are each possible plus defenders at all three outfield spots, giving manager Kevin Cash a chance to run some excellent defensive groups on the grass. (Arozarena is primarily a corner outfielder but rates well there in his own right).
In exchange for dealing from that outfield depth, the Rays add another young bat to their infield mix. Paredes has been on the prospect radar for quite some time, but he only recently turned 23 years old. A right-handed hitter, he doesn’t possess overwhelming power or athleticism but he has excellent bat-to-ball skills.
Paredes hasn’t produced much in limited big league action the past couple seasons. Over 163 plate appearances, he owns a meager .215/.290/.302 line with a pair of home runs. He has posted excellent offensive numbers all the way up the minor league ladder, though, and the Rays are betting on those skills eventually carrying over against big league pitching.
Paredes, who appeared at the tail end of Baseball America’s Top 100 prospects in both 2019 and 2020, is coming off a .265/.397/.451 showing in 315 Triple-A plate appearances. He hit 11 homers and walked at a huge 17.8% clip while only striking out 14.9% of the time. Among 96 Triple-A East hitters with 300+ plate appearances, Paredes sported the third-highest walk rate. No one in that group had a better walk to strikeout ratio, with minor league veteran Tyler White the only other player in the league to even walk more often than he punched out.
While Paredes has experience at each of second base, third base and shortstop, he’s primarily played the former two positions in recent years. He’ll step into a Tampa Bay infield mix that is quite crowded itself. Wander Franco and Brandon Lowe have the middle infield spoken for, while Yandy Díaz joins Paredes and fellow former top prospects Taylor Walls and Vidal Bruján in the mix at third base. Díaz figures to assume some DH at-bats vacated by Meadows’ departure, which would enable the Rays to get their younger players some action at the hot corner. All three of Walls, Bruján and Paredes have minor league option years remaining, so they can each bounce between St. Petersburg and Durham as well.
The Rays have never shied away from churning players off the big league club to bolster the long-term organizational depth. Paredes has just over one year of big league service under his belt. He won’t reach free agency until at least after the 2026 campaign, and it wouldn’t be a surprise if he spends enough time in the minors this season to push that trajectory back a year further. Tampa Bay also adds a draft choice that’ll fall after the second round, currently projected for #71 overall. Along with a Competitive Balance Round B pick of their own, the Rays now own four of the top 75 selections — along with the accompanying bonus pool space that stockpiling picks provides.
It’s a fascinating deal between two teams envisioning both immediate and long-term contention in the American League. The Tigers add a potential middle-of-the-order bat, bolstering an outfield fresh off an injury setback. (In a fun tidbit, they also raise the possibility of Meadows pairing with his younger brother Parker — a High-A outfielder in the Detroit system — in the Comerica Park outfield someday). The Rays continue to preemptively stockpile young players and draft capital, building the kind of organizational depth that allows them to perpetually deal good players like Meadows with the knowledge that additional talented players are on the horizon.
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The Baseball Fan
Wow. Tampa must see something Detroit doesn’t.
Jm207* 2
They also might see Meadows as Grossmans replacement next year
Samuel
@ The Baseball Fan (Doesn’t like the Cubs);
Yes. They usually do.
They’ll rework Paredes and utilize him correctly.
Sa'ed Faoul
Paredes is MLB ready. His contact profile seems lower risk than a power over hit prospect, so Rays will just nuture his exit velos to continue driving a doubles and hard singles profile is my guess. If he can consistently scald the ball, he will stick around as a solid major leaguer. Defensively, Rays could use him most at third but I think he is passable but unconvincing there. I expect he will be played across the diamond in AAA until the Rays settle on a position. Paredes will be competing with Curtis Mead (who will start in AA?) for a defensive home.
JMoney22
Meh paredes is a utility guy, can’t believe the rays traded Meadows for that! Insane!
detroitdave84
Clueless. He couldn’t beat out Journeyman Nikko Goodrum 2 years running, he hasn’t been a prospect since 2019/2020, passed by Kody Clemens and Ryan Kreidler. He was very expendable, was quickly losing value. Al Avila received a former All Star 9th overall pick hit 27 homers, for a sandwich pick after the first round and a 4A player with one year left to prove he can hit at the MLB level. See it for what it is….a late spring training salary dump followed by a promotion of a prospect that is ready to play. They now shed themselves of 4 million this year, projected 7 million next year, projected 11 million the year after
JMoney22
Holy crap the Tigers annihilate this trade! A talent like Meadows only 26 about to enter his prime years with 3 more team controlled seasons, for a middling prospect and a free draft pick? Avila is crushing it this off-season!
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
Parades will hit 290 with 25 hrs this year just cuz he’s a Ray and Meadows will be hurt because that’s how the rays outsmart everyone
detroitdave84
He will play less than 10 games at the MLB level unless there’s an injury, he’s never ever hit even 20 homers so more like 8 to 10 homers and his MLB average is around.215. Smoking weed will not help you assessment.
Pete'sView
JMoney22 — Tigers definitely have a plan. They may be the most improved team in MLB this season.
detroitdave84
Grossman will be a trade candidate when Greene comes back in June. Blessing in disguise. Tigers gain an extra year of service time (unintentionally) and gain a power hitting LH bat. Grossman (who I love) is an avg OF with power, great on base %, who was nearly traded last year. He becomes expendable now and could get the Tigers a missing piece at deadline. He’s a free agent so getting a prospect or a RP at the deadline is likely.
2012orioles
The first thing they see is two more years of control
fw-
Is the extra 2 years of control worth the inferior player?
myaccount2
“Inferior” is a bit dramatic. They’re very similar.
2012orioles
To them it is. This is what they’ve been doing for years… trading players before they become expensive. And expensive in their minds is about half of what other teams would consider expensive
detroitdave84
Paredes is 3.5 years younger but hugely inferior. Meadows was an All Star hit 33 then 27 homers before his injuries. Paredes is blocked at SS 3b 2b and Meadows is under control for three more years. This is very one sided in Detroit’s favor and now he gets a chance to play with his younger brother in 2024 if he’s still here and if his younger brother finally becomes a MLB player.
Dumpster Divin Theo
No its not. Meadows was blocking Lowe and the Ray’s get instantly better…they had soured on his relatively one dimensional game a while back. Tigers are squandering their prospects on odd fits and some curious signings (Baez?) that could hamstring their future before it ever takes off.
JMoney22
Lmao Lowe is not an all star talent with mvp votes at the same age of meadows type of guy. Stop it. Meadows is just now entering his prime years for crying out loud lol. For a prospect who hasn’t done anything since his solid start in minors. Weak exit velos, not a good defender with below average athleticism. But yea tell us how the rays win again?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Weak exit velos, not a good defender with below average athleticism. Are you describing the player the Tigers just picked up?
Ezpkns34
I’m with DDTheo on this one. Just cause some players peak in their late 20s, doesn’t mean ALL do. Plenty of players peak in their mid 20s
He hasn’t cracked 800 OPS in any of his other 3 years in the bigs, his 2+ seasons of non-2019 ball have him with a collective 760 OPS. At some point the aberration becomes his lone standout season, and the further he gets from that, the harder it will be for TB to trick others (such as jmoney) into thinking he can replicate it
Is a reason that “this is all they could get”, cause there’s not a long list of buyers
stymeedone
The Tigers NEEDED a SS. Baez will hopefully fill that role admirably for two years and opt out. They went out and got exactly what they needed going into the season. No odd fits.
myaccount2
@DetroitDave- I was under the impression FW was comparing Grossman and Meadows because of the comment above stating Grossman is a pending FA, but I could be wrong, in which case I agree– Meadows talent is supreme to Paredes’.
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
‘It’s very one sided’ almost ALWAYS ends up being the Rays side…. History repeats
detroitdave84
DUDE HE IS NOT A PROSPECT! Tigers received Jeimer Candelario and Paredes in a trade 4 or 5 years ago. Candy is the Tigers starting 3b lead the league in doubles. Paredes has been in the organization since age 19 and has failed to unseat Journeyman Nikko Goodrum at SS and couldn’t beat out Jonathan Scoop at 2b. You are way off base here. He wasn’t even in the Tigers top 30 prospects and hasn’t been a MLB top 100 since 2020. He plateaued and stalled. He had nowhere to play and was talked about being traded since the last trade deadline. Tampa got scorched on this one. You can’t spin it any other way. Meadows will produce more for the Tigers this year than Paredes by a wide margin. Paredes will never be a starter and if he makes it to the MLB he most certainly will not start crushing homers and suddenly become Manny Machado. Prospects are like milk, they have a shelf life. Al Avila dumped him at the right time for the perfect injury replacement. No question about it. Tampa dumped salary which they can now use at the deadline.
detroitdave84
Grossman is a pending FA and is an avg at best OF. His value is switch hitting, takes lots of walks, has 20 homer power. Meadows wasn’t needed until Greene got hurt and isn’t due back until June. He’s definitely protecting the Tigers long term if they lose Grossman to free agency. However, If Greene comes back strong in June & July, Grossman might get traded. If they agree on an an International draft, no QO will be attached to Grossman so teams trading for him might sign him longer. Heya solid all around baseball player. Great clubhouse guy. Tigers are just having a ton of prospects advancing to the AA, AAA and MLB now.
KCJ
Myaccountz –
In what way? They’re both humans? Both men? Not much in common baseball related
Sa'ed Faoul
And age
Rsox
Tampa sees the Tigers paying Meadows’ $4 million dollar salary thats what they see
Samuel
@ Rsox;
That’s surely a part of it.
But don’t ever underestimate what the Rays can do with a player (or the Astros, Brewers, or Giants).
Samuel
P.S.
I’ve been watching Taylor Walls this ST. That young man can play SS better than most in MLB.
A number of teams will need an SS as the season moves on. This trade might well free up Walls in a trade to get someone the Rays can use as the season progresses.
Rays always look for flexibility.
Rsox
Walls was sought after by a few teams over the winter including the Angels. If Tampa chooses to trade him they can literally ask for and expect a solid prospect haul. If they keep him one of Walls/Wander Franco will eventually end up at 3B permanently
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
Samuel – Walls is seen ad the future SS while Franco is generally expected to land at 3B..
Sa'ed Faoul
$4M is the cheapest he’ll ever be and Josh Lowe comes in at league minimum, so it’s hard to imagine that isn’t a consideration
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
And Lowe is arguably the more well rounded ballplayer lol.
detroitdave84
4 million, then projected 7 million then projected 11 million. Tampa sees savings of at least 22 million. This is why they need to move the team. Players making under 10 million are not expensive so if they don’t deserve a team. With their prowess of identifying talent had any real fan support and a larger budget, they have had multiple championships. Tampa & Detroit both have had two appearances in the World Series since 2006. The difference is Tigers spending was at its highest to go for it and lost, if Tampa could have spent more money, they could have won it both years. Money was the reason they couldn’t get over the top.
Yankee Clipper
They also see that draft pick. It’s how they live, through extra draft picks, especially now that some of the gimmes are going away due to the partial lottery…. Draft picks.
RobM
Some of Meadows’ peripherals indicate a decline. He’s also getting more expensive with a $4MM salary in 2022. That’s nothing for most teams, but the Rays count every penny. The Rays also have a ton of talent to replace him, so they need to clear space. They want the competitive balance pick. Trading current talent they can replace to keep feeding the future machine.
thekid9
Thank you Johnny Superscout
RobM
You’re welcome.
Yankee Clipper
RobM: I did not know your real name was Johnny, but I must tell you, Superscout is a REALLY weird last name – I’m a tad bit skeptical.
hoof hearted
@Rob
Spot on analysis
detroitdave84
Not accurate. His injuries caused bad habits and a higher K rate. A healthy Meadows, hitting 6th behind Miggy will be a low pressure and potentially high performance.
bucsfan0004
His betting lines are still the same; i was expecting an adjustment. Projected RBI total was 101.5 both before and after the trade
kc38
I’m glad you know his bad performance was because of injury you must be some kind of super genius
detroitdave84
Bad performance? He hit .234 with 27 homers and yes, his injuries caused him to have poor mechanics snd increased K rate. The facts are clear. If you are trying to improve your offense would you rather have a 4A utility INF career MLB avg of .215 and 4 homers or a former 9th overall player, former all star, has hit double digit homers all through his career? The trade is a coup because of how little they gave up. A 4A player not even in the Tigers top 30 and a sandwich draft pick that has a 30% chance of being a MLB player in 5 years.
matthew767676
Nailed it. Meadows is a solid player and had a couple good years for Tampa. But as usual, they sell high and buy low.
JMoney22
But paredes isn’t really that good lol. How is trading a former all star of who hits 30 bombs a year and now just entering his prime years with cost and team control for 3 years selling high? When paredes has one of the weakest power output and exit velos of any upper minor league level Tiger prospect. You rays fans really need to do your homework. Paredes is a below average defender, with no athleticism and isn’t even a power hitter. Y’all got ran, read the dozens and dozens of baseball analysts who say the tigers demolished this trade before posting .
Dumpster Divin Theo
Former all star who hit 30 bombs in the past. Like Miggy Cabrera and Javy Baez. That’s a swell looking collection of vintage automobiles you got there in your driveway.
Dumpster Divin Theo
“Y’all got ran, read the dozens and dozens of baseball analysts who say the Tigers demolished this trade before posting”. That’s an all-timer of all timers. If MLBTR were to close up shop right now, that would go down in the annals as the greatest of the great in turns of winning the internet. Permission to repost?
kc38
I don’t even think there’s dozens and dozens of analysts honestly. And I believe if you listen to most analysts they’ll tell you “ rays win or break even on trades 99% of the time in the past 5 years” even if they break even this allows lowe to come up and showcase what he has. And if it’s anything like the minors he’s already an upgrade over meadows
Mystery Team
You’re trying to fit Meadows into the same mold as Cabrera and Baez and you’re way off. Meadows is 26 years old and who are you to say he’s on the decline. He sure didn’t look to be on any decline that I noticed. He got hurt and tried to play through it and his numbers suffered for it. He thrived once he got out of Pittsburgh and I bet he’ll be just fine in Detroit with that lineup protecting him as well. The Tigers won this trade because they got the better talent. The Rays know that but don’t care because they got the money off their books and got a pick to boot it’s that simple. If the Rays could afford it they’d surely love to keep Meadows but the reality is they can’t so they took the mid level prospect and the pick and are happy with that. There is no analytics that would suggest that Meadows will get worse from here there just isn’t he’s too young for that and youth is unpredictable. Teams need vets mixed with youth to win and the Tigers look fine from where I’m standing.
Mystery Team
KC38 the minors are much different than MLB my man come on. Lowe might be a good player but to suggest he’s an upgrade over Meadows without him playing at this level for an extended period of time is crazy. Why does everyone always have to kick every player in the ass on their way out the door? I get it sometimes some plyers just suck but Meadows was huge for them last year until he got hurt but now all of a sudden people acting like he’s a bum.
StPeteStingRays
Kc38 clearly stated that IF his MiLB play translates to the big leagues, then he’d be an upgrade over Meadow’s. I’m assuming that was mostly referring to the offense. Defensively, he most certainly is an upgrade over Meadows the moment his feet touch the field.
I will miss Meadows. He was awesome for us, but I’m excited about seeing the next wave of talent like Brujan, Lowe, Mead, etc
Led Hoyer
Baez is 29 and is coming off a very good season. It appears the Sox fans are nervous.
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
The trade isn’t so Parades plays at all it’s so Lowe does in the OF. And Lowe is 25 times the athlete Meadows is… Take away some power but add literally every tool.
Mrsuntan
But will he ba a better player? I might be a bettter athlete but you would NOT want me out there! I just wish they got a 1st base prospect, enough with Garbage man choi
KCJ
Dumpster Divin Theo –
Vintage automobiles? You do realized that Meadows and Baez are in their 20’s, right? JUST a little different than Miguel Cabrera, but maybe that’s above your level of understanding. Your comment makes no sense
jimmyz
Meadows will get increasingly more expensive in his arbitration years too cuz dingers weigh heavily in those calculations.
SportsFan0000
Surprised that the Tigers are giving up on Paredes.
Paredes won a batting title in the winter league, is young and
big upside/star potential.
Eventually, Peredes was going to slot
in @ 3B or 2B as a starter.
Candelario I thought the Tigers would trade and give 3B to Paredes.
Tampa rarely misses on these trades.
Meadows has been an impact OF and could be again when healthy.
Meadows’s brother, also an OF, is the Tigers farm system too.
jasinjuh
Tampa got their Adames 2.0
Rsox
Hopefully this one can see the ball at the Trop
falconsball1993
He’s not Adames lol
Motown is My Town
Not even close. Padares will never amount to
much of a big league player. Kreisler, Clemens, Workman and Santana have bypassed him in the Tigers system so he became expendable
SportsFan0000
Paredes may be a better hitter than Adames.
Adames a better defender.
detroitdave84
Paredes has been living on that label for three years. Prospects have a shelf life. Meadows helps the Tigers now and for years. Paredes was expendable & Meadows has a huge potential to get his value back up. Love the risk/reward
flamingbagofpoop
Prospects have a shelf life, but Meadows has huge potential because he had a good year in 2019 with the juiced ball? Totallllllly not a biased take.
JMoney22
Wtf lmao Adames was a multi year top 50 prospect who was a complete player. Paredes scraped the bottom of the top 100 lost once and hasn’t come close to cracking it again in 2 + years. Nowhere near Adames. Man some of y’all post crazy stuff that make no sense whatsoever, you’re just making stuff up lol
JMoney22
Meadows hit almost 30 bombs last year and over 100 rbis as a 25/26 year old with the most game winning rbis in the entire bigs last year. I’ll take 3 more years of that over a weak hitting prospect with no exit velos or Athleticism all day every day. Rays got absolutely annihilated and literally every real baseball guy is saying the same thing.
Dumpster Divin Theo
“Rays got absolutely annihilated and literally every real baseball guy is saying the same thing”. Also saying the same thing: the one guy with multiple handles.
Are you sure this isn’t a bit?
SportsFan0000
Detroit never gave Paredes the ABs he needed to get on track in his brief cups of coffee in the bigs.
Tampa is better at developing and maximizing young talent.
GinaNCRaysFan
This is how the Rays operate. Better to trade a guy a year early than a year late. They also do pretty well at getting the most out of what a player can do instead of trying to get them to do things they can’t.
Look at Yandy Diaz. When he was with CLE, everybody said “This guy’s a beast, if we can raise his launch angle he’ll hit tons of homers”. The Rays acquired him, didn’t worry about the low HR totals, and just enjoyed all of the line drives
Mrsuntan
Maybe, but how many times have the rsys gotten annilated in a trade in the past 10 12 years? Im not talking about slightly losing a trade im talking about “annilated”.. i will wait
detroitdave84
Hahahaha he’s a 4A player!!!!! He’s not even a prospect anymore!!!! Hilarious!!!!
detroitdave84
So idiotic it’s comical. He was given every chance to beat out any 4A SS & 2B Detroit rolled out in 2019 2020 2021 and failed miserably. He’s about to turn 24 & Meadows is only 27. Meadows by every metric known to man is a better player than Paredes & some unknown draft pick in 2022. Meadows is capable of hitting.250 30 homers 100 rbi in 2022 while Paredes will be hitting.250 10 homers at AAA and has no place to play at Tampa.
detroitdave84
Tampa rarely misses is correct but Candy Baez Schoop are locked in this year and potentially 2 more years. Clemens is a better version of Paredes. Paredes was about to lose his “prospect” label and wasn’t going to bump anyone out of a job. Tigers have Kreidler Clemens Panchero Workman amd Colt Keith all in the system with more upside . Tigers needed OF depth. It’s a great and smart move.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Candy, Baez, Schoop- why would a team seemingly on the rise w prospects cement their lineup with middle aged, league average veterans with limited upside? Curious.
JMoney22
Not giving up on him, tigers just got a way better player is all lol. Paredes is a stunted talent. Hasn’t done anything of note for a bit with horrific exit velos. Tigers killed this thing
seamaholic 2
Paredes is a former (and recent) Top 100 prospect and is all of 23. And I’m sure the Rays will turn the pick into something interesting. This is actually a really good haul for Meadows. Corner OF that can hit a little are dime a dozen.
SportsFan0000
Paredes is only 21
For Love of the Game
0000, everything I see says he’s 23.
SportsFan0000
Sorry, I was looking at when he won his International batting title.
detroitdave84
25 games batting title LOL this is comical
detroitdave84
Paredes will never be what everyone thinks he will be. Meadows hit 33 & 27 homers, former All Star. What are you smoking? Meadows was hurt trying to comeback because his team needed him. This is a steal for Detroit and Paredes was so expendable in the Detroit system. They got him in a trade with the Cubs 4 years ago. He had two years to make this team and failed.
You Can Put It In The Books
Spoken like a true novice.
Dumpster Divin Theo
33 and 27 Homers in his background and former all star. Wow, DetroitDave is some sort of superfan. Staight out of 1979. Look up his batting avg and RBis too?
JMoney22
Literally listing his factual stats lmao man you sound super mad about this trade. You just keep making it look worse with every post. It’s ok who cares that everyone in the baseball world is applauding the tigers stealing meadows for a prospect who has severely disappointed the last 2 years. Avila is king! Dude trades Justin Wilson and his own son for essentially Candelario and Meadows. Letsss goooooo
SportsFan0000
That is what they said about Eugenio Suarez too lol!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Everyone still applauding the Tigers stealing Meadows?
SportsFan0000
I was against this deal from the gitgo!
Tampa rarely loses trades.
And, they also had Detroit fork over a competitive balance draft pick too..
Mrsuntan
28hr 106rbi is hitting “a little” ok sure, i will take 2 please
flamingbagofpoop
27, but yeah. He was 13% above league average as a hitter…that’s not bad, but also isn’t anything special for a COF.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Corner OF who’s one dimensional and who was already out of favor. The Rays were furiously trying to find a landing spit for Kiermaier to find a spot for Lowe and Brujan but found a gullible taker for Meadows instead, wholl blend in well with the aging league average core the Tigers are asseming. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Rays sell high on Arozarena as well.
JMoney22
The rays got a middling prospect with just terrible exit velos and no power? for a guy who was 2 years away from all star season and mvp votes. Who is literally just now entering his prime years, fans team controlled 3 years. Meadows is a far superior talent and only a few years older who is proven. Tigers took the rays to the shed. Literally every baseball analyst saying the tigers killed it. But yea you definitely know more about baseball than them. Lmfaooo you sound like a rays fan who knows just got crushed and are super mad.
TBRaysBucsBolts
I was nodding along, agreeing with everything you were saying right up until mentioned possibly moving “Randy October”. He was a 4 win player last year. He’s 27 and we have him locked up for five seasons (his entire prime). And finally… The man stole home in a playoff game!!? Just imagine if they could hire a hypnotist or something to convince him that every month is October
TBRaysBucsBolts
If Josh Lowe puts up somewhat similar production to what Austin Meadows does this year, for $3.5mil less money, it won’t matter how this player from Detroit does. The rays will not have gotten crushed in this trade. There is more to evaluating a move like this then only considering the players switching teams. Is Austin Meadows a better baseball player? Of course. But that doesn’t mean it was a bad move for the team. You have to consider money, service time, positional depth, etc…. We need to see how Josh Lowe performs now that he’s getting the opportunity. It’s fun to prognosticate, and call people names on the Internet (everyone loves that ♂️), But the Rays decided to gamble on a highly regarded (top 50) prospect over a poor defensive OF who can’t hit lefties anymore. I don’t know if “clutch“ is a real thing or not. But if it is, Meadows has it. That guy came through for us a lot and I will miss him. But if this front office hasn’t yet earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to trading players, good lord what do people want? How many other teams could consistently put a competitive team on the field with no money, no fans (other than me and like 12 other guys) in a market that has never proven to support baseball past March …???
(Quick question. The answer was “none“)
Dumpster Divin Theo
Great points Jesse. Randy October indeed is incredible. Don’t necessarily agree with the scouting assessment lauding his athleticism and instincts but denigrating his increasing K rate, his groundball rate and batted ball profile which forecast a player who’s peaked. But the Rays focus on that and therefore remain ahead of the rest of us. I surely hope the Rays do keep him and develop him. By trading Meadows, they certainly can!
As to your broader point, it’s not just saving cash but recognizing players who are not part of your core.
Mrsuntan
Good trade, bad trade whatever. The rays will be in playoffs from toughest division in baseball
,tigers wont be, from the worst division. That is what matters
GarryHarris
Except for the high visibility prospects, Detroit gives their other prospects half-hearted looks at the MLB level then moves on to Nomar Mazara types. Other MLB teams with real scouts are taking notice.
Isaac Paredes does very well in MiLB and in Winter Ball. By mid season, Isaac Paredes will be TBR’s starting 3B.
Build a team on pitching them surround the pitchers with poor defenders.
JMoney22
Tigers essentially traded Justin Wilson and Alex Avila for Candelario and Meadows lmao. That’s tuff . Al Avila skinning teams alive with trades!!
TBRaysBucsBolts
Tampa sees a below average outfielder who can no longer hit lefties and who’s value won’t ever be higher. As a Tampa Bay rays season ticket holder, I see a lot of games. We all love Austin Meadows. He’s about as likable guy as there is, but there is no way the front office is going to spend $4 million on essentially a platoon DH. It’s no Secret that the team unsuccessfully tried to move Kevin Kiermaier. And while I’m sure they like this guy from the Tigers, and the fact that he apparently never strikes out, The best part of the return for Tampa Bay is the roster spot filled by Josh Lowe.
Lowe is far superior in the field to Meadows and has legit 20/20 potential. This kid has all the tools and when Kiermaier is finally gone, this is our centerfielder for the next 5/6 years. Arozarena, KK, Lowe, Margo, and Brett Phillips are a solid OF group only IF (hate that word) Lowe’s power translates to MLB and Randy pretends it’s October every month (seriously, check out this guys postseason stats compared to the regular season!?!)
Dumpster Divin Theo
This. The Rays unloaded a guy not likely to be part of their core, whose contributions are in the past, and pick up a prospect. Do you trust a front office that recognizes the overall value on the field of the likes of Margot, Kiermaier, Lowe, Brujan and Franco. And revolutionizes the way staffs are constructed? Or trust a front office that complements a promising young staff with a collection of league average one dimensional veterans like Baez, Schoop, Candelairo and Meadows whose better years are in the past?
GinaNCRaysFan
Yeah, I love how quickly some are saying the Rays got “schooled” in this deal. Sure, it’s good for the Tigers, but it’s great for the Rays. It breaks up the logjam in the outfield a bit at the expense of their worst defensive outfielder.
Paredes is a good pickup whose talent the Rays will maximize, plus a 70-80 draft pick. The Rays are now better on the field (by opening up playing time for their prospects) and got a chance at a couple useful ballplayers. Given how well they draft and develop talent I don’t see the Rays regretting this deal.
Losing “two-time All Star” Meadows is losing a talented player, sure. But some people who don’t follow the Rays don’t realize that they are 3-deep or better at every position. They can trade starting-caliber players, they can lose expensive free agents, even their stars can get hurt, and the guy or guys stepping in for them are usually close equivalents in terms of talent. I heard someone describe the Rays as being like Lake Wobegon, everybody’s above average. It’s how they’re able to compete with the big spenders in the AL East year after year, and why they never have to rebuild.
Asdwzxcv
Paredes last 3 seasons by wrc+ (excluding the dumb promotion to the majors at 20):
142 (19 at AA)
133 (20 at AA)
132 (22 at AAA)
I’d be slightly concerned if I was a tigers fans
TBRaysBucsBolts
Tampa (as usual) sees a lot that other people don’t. Meadows is a one dimensional player with a rising salary. Don’t be fooled by 2019. His BAbip of .331 was a mirage. He had a lucky year and that is not sustainable or repeatable. He’s a liability in the outfield and he can’t hit lefties anymore (at all!). Tampa sees a DH platoon candidate. If this 23 year old from Detroit pans out, great! But the value is in the roster spot for Josh Lowe. Meadows is a proven commodity where Lowe is a prospect, so we won’t really be able to evaluate the Rays’ wisdom here until we see how Lowe pans out, but the logic isn’t hard to follow. Meadows 2.0 WAR last season was less than Margot, Kiermaier, Arozarena, AND even Brett Phillips…
detroitdave84
The Rays were desperate on this one. No takers & they wanted Lows. Give the nod to the Tigers. 4a player &’a lottery draft pick is awfully light. Tigers gave up 71st pick MLB Draft pick. Since ’99, only 8 taken in that spot have played in MLB, 4 with minus WAR. None since 2015 reached MLB. The best: Justin Masterson (’06) 10.1 WAR. Niko Goodrum (2.3 WAR) was taken 71st overall, as was former QB Brandon Weeden
Dumpster Divin Theo
This post aged really well.
Dustyslambchops23
Tigers smell blood in the central
marrtho
They have pieces to make some noise for a wild card, but no way they beat out chicago.
Dogbone
Why not!!!
SportsFan0000
Tigers are very competitive with the White Sox in the Central
especially with the Tigers young pitching.
Very Barry
Tigers are likely 2nd place in AL Central. 12-15 games behind the White Sox
Jubilation
Wow. You think the wsx area 100 win team?
Pete'sView
This doesn’t sound unreasonable. Tigers have made good moves, though lots depends on the new guys.
kidbryant
White Sox are grossly overrated
Luke Nowak
Yeah they have a wide range of outcomes. On one hand they have a bunch of young players that if they play up to there potential they can be a World Series team on the other hand they have a potential to have some holes in there Roster.
baseballhistory
The White Sox are the most overrated team in baseball ( Mets a close second). The Tigers are putting together a nice team. They look to be a year away, but sometimes the young guys come of age all at the same time.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yeah by the time those prospects come along nicely, the aging core of Candelairo, Meadows, Javy and Schoop should be ready to fade
SportsFan0000
White Sox farm is now depleted.
A few injuries and they will be picking up guys off the waiver wire,
Very Barry
Depleted????? Colson Montgomery, Cespedes, Jared Kelley …. I think not! We don’t have room on the big squad for any more young guys anyway. Our stud prospects are now starters! We are developing young guys for the future now. We still have arms like Jimmy Lambert and Jon Steiver to eat innings if necessary.
jasinjuh
They need pitching at the deadline
BlooBengal
Tigers have a manager who isn’t hated by his team. I expect the Sox to fade after the middle of the season. Padres of the Midwest.
Lou Gayrig
Sounds like a deluded Tiger fan getting too excited
Dumpster Divin Theo
Tigers have a manager who was hated by much of the rest of baseball.
JMoney22
Tigers haven’t even started year 1 of going for it yet lol. Sox should be very worried for the foreseeable future.
dsett75
Unfortunately, I think we’re probably around 5-7 games behind the White Sox still
JMoney22
In year 1 of actually trying to win. I’ll take that all day, just wait until the years after, tigers are on a major upswing
TBRaysBucsBolts
They just picked up a DH platoon candidate. Meadows is well below average in the outfield and he can’t hit lefties. BUT Comerica park sets up for him to crush RHP’s.
coquigo
Are the Rays finally tanking?
davidk1979
Ignorant remark
davidk1979
Austin Medows is a two win player bro
degrominator34
Analytics has made an idiot out of you…106rbi is nothing to take lightly
mlb1225
Alright, no need to get so bitter. Meadows did have the 23rd most opportunities with RISP, so that definitley played a factor into his RBI count. Just because he had 100+ RBI’s with the Rays doesn’t mean he’ll drive in 100 runs with the Tigers. He only had a .772 OPS and .234 average. For a guy who provides so-so defense in the outfield and splits his time at DH, he really isn’t the most valuable player ever.
iverbure
You know someone like this guy above (deGrom goof or whatever his name is) starts off posts like “ I understand analytics but” that translates to no he doesn’t understand analytics at all.
gbs42
106 RBI says a lot about the players hitting in front of Meadows.
hiflew
So if a player gets a lot of walks, does that say a lot about the poor pitching he faced?
mlb1225
A player doesn’t face the same pitcher 5 out of the 7 days of the week. Most of the time, a line-up has the same general construction. Take Rafael Devers for example. 527 of his 591 plate appearances came in the 4th or 5th hole. All but one of Xander Bogarets’ plate appearances came in the 3rd or 4th hole. Bogarets had a .370 OBP this year and Rafael Devers had 113 RBI’s and the most opportunities with runners on base in the MLB. It’s also not a concidence that Josh Bell still had 88 RBI’s even though he had just a .757 OPS with RISP, when Juan Soto usually batted 3rd when Bell batted 4th.
No player faces a single pitcher often enough for you to say that “well it’s because it’s they’re facing bad pitching”. MLB players take as many plate appearances vs All-Stars as they do replacement level pitchers. Nobody is facing the same pitcher 300-400 times a year, like when most batters have the same player hitting in front of them, 300-400+ times a year.
Hammerin' Hank
Believe me, the Rays’ front office isn’t rating players based on their RBI count. They’re way smarter than people like you.
Hammerin' Hank
mlb 2225, you’re spot on with your analysis. But they aren’t going to understand it no matter how you try to explain it.
flamingbagofpoop
Calling someone an idiot and then citing RBIs. You are joking, yes?
dugdog83
How many playoff series have the Rays won? Drafting talent and trading them away to not win anything isn’t smart. They are the A’s of the east coast.
Dumpster Divin Theo
The posters in this thread seem to be trapped in 1979 looking back at HRs RBIs and all star selections from years past. Which ain’t all bad if you’re a fan of Sister Sledge and a disco diva in Pittsburgh. Speaks volumes about the current state of Tiger Fandom though.
hiflew
It’s not an indictment of a particular pitcher. It is an indictment of pitching in general.
“MLB players take as many plate appearances vs All-Stars as they do replacement level pitchers”
This is an absolute falsehood. In any given year there are about 25 All Star pitchers in the league out of approximately 800 pitchers. That figure is a total guess, but since Baltimore alone used 42 different pitchers I figure it is a safe guess. Anyway, modern starting pitchers rarely face a lineup more than twice a game. So even if you are VERY generous and say you face all 25 All Stars two games per year, you are only looking at most at 100 plate appearance per year.
Of the remaining 775 pitchers, I would argue that about half of them wouldn’t even be big leaguers if pitching staffs weren’t expanded. They are facing these hitters FAR more often than All Stars.
That being said, I get your point.
hiflew
Just because someone doesn’t agree with you does not make them unable to understand things. I will just edit the rest of comment so it doesn’t get me in trouble, but you can use your imagination about what I really would like to say to you.
mlb1225
Ok, that was a bit generous saying they face as many All-Stars as replacement level players. But does that mean that if Tim Anderson, who had a 4% walk rate, faced the same pitchers that Juan Soto faced, who had a 22% walk rate, their walk rates would be switched? Juan Soto still has to face the same pitchers Josh Bell faces, who’s BB% was nearly half of Soto’s. Anderson still has to face the same pitchers that Yasmani Grandal have to face, who’s walk rate was nearly 6-times greater than the shortstop’s.
The point I’m trying to make is walks are more indicitaive of the individual batter than the individual pitcher or pitchers they face throughout a season where RBI’s are more indicitiave of the line-up surrounding a batter. Would Ozzie Albies, who had 16 RBI’s and 107 wRC+ have the same RBI’s in a line-up with Freeman, Riley, Acuna (for a half season), and Duvall and Soler from August onward, or in the Pirates’ line-up, who’s only batters with at least 100 games played and OPS+ above 100 was Ben Gamel and Bryan Reynolds?
Dodgerbleu
That’s not what the Rays do. They trade major league talent before it gets too expensive for near ready major league talent. And always seem to look smart doing it. To wit:
They didn’t draft Meadows. They traded Archer with a couple of years of control in one of the most lopsided trades in recent memory for Meadows, Glasnow and Baz. Archer fell apart immediately.
They didn’t draft Archer. They traded Garza with a couple of years of control for Archer. Garza only had one more fully healthy season and they couldn’t pay the 10MM salary that year or the 50MM contract the Brewer gave him before he was out of baseball entirely 5 years later. They also scored Guyer, Chirinos and Fuld.
They didn’t draft Garza. They traded Delmon Young after he didn’t pan out for him.
The pattern is of selling high and hitting on their return. And that’s just the Meadows connection. I don’t like it, I think it’s bad for the fan base that they can’t keep stars around. But the stars always dim and the Rays keep promoting talent they acquire in these trades. You don’t have to be as adept at developing talent when you constantly poach it from other organizations. They seem pretty smart to me. If my team just traded for one of the Rays “stars”, I’d be worried. They always know something.
GinaNCRaysFan
I like the fact that the Rays churn their roster. Trading players at near their peak value ensures the Rays get the return they want, even if fans (and other teams sometimes) don’t realize they’re coming out ahead in the deal. The deals often look lopsided against the Rays because the players they trade have usually demonstrated useful skills at the major league level.
I live around Durham NC and I get to see the Rays prospects play for the Bulls before they move up. Not only do the Bulls always have two or three top-100 prospects, they surround them with other quality prospects who’d be top 5 guys in most systems, you don’t see a bunch of “organizational guys” playing for Durham. Not only is it fun to see these guys get promoted and have success in the majors, also the Bulls are like the Dodgers of AAA, they’re always good and fun to watch, much like their parent club.
Tomahawk Takeover
David, he’s not a 2 win player because there is absolutely no way over a course of a 162 game season with 30 teams that anyone can determine how many wins a player is worth or what a replacement level player is. There are too many factors involved. WAR was made up by people who have no clue how to evaluate how good a player is so they think they can throw unproven numbers into an equation and make a fair judgement.
You Can Put It In The Books
…And your opinion on the matter is worthless and laughable
detroitdave84
Paredes is -7 player
seamaholic 2
They just picked up another Top 100 prospect, with star ceiling. So, no.
detroitdave84
Paredes will not be top 100 after he has another .220 year with 5 homers. The bloom is off the rose. He moved up quickly then sputtered. He may have plateaued or he could break out. It’s a make or break year for him.
Sa'ed Faoul
I agree Rays are buying low on Paredes and RHB INF is an area of MILB depth for Detroit. Tigers also buying low on Meadows. Hasn’t produced like in 2019 and will no longer earn league minimum.
SportsFan0000
Young players cannot get established in the big league by playing once every week or two. Rays are much better than most about playing and nurturing their young players.
kwolf68
Star ceiling? Lmao
Mrsuntan
Stupid comment, but i do wish they got more. Maybe a 1st base prospect, enough of G man the journey man.
JMoney22
Gotta be that’s the only thing that makes sense. You trade cost and team controlled Austin friggin Meadows for a middling utility prospect and a draft pick in the 70 range lol.
TBRaysBucsBolts
Meadows 2.0 WAR was less than Arozarena, Kiermaier, Margot, AND…even Brett Phillips lol. Turns out a Plantoon Candidate DH (he’s awful in the field and can’t hit lefties anymore) isn’t worth as much as people think. Yah…the Rays are tanking ♂️ That’s why vegas has their over/under at 90 wins (in the AL East!?)
padresfan111323
Gotta love the draft pick being traded
kidbryant
Competitive Balance pick, not draft pick, if you want to be technical
fivepoundbass
Pretty sure they still get used during the draft. Technically.
Sa'ed Faoul
Lol. Rays will have 4 chances to make good on a 3rd round draft pick this year (e.g. one late 2nd round, 2 comp B “sandwich” picks, and one late 3rd round pick)
JMoney22
Pick 70 very valuable lol smh. And the tigers essentially got that for free
Jm207* 2
I am a tigers fan and I think Paredes will be good. They just didn’t have anywhere to put him with the infield set. This might mean the Tigers think they have their future 2nd baseman in Ryan Kriedler.
BlooBengal
I love this trade. After Greene got hurt, I figured they’d try to bring back Upton for cheap.
SportsFan0000
Tigers have a few stud international players on the way also.
Roberto Campos (Cuba, then Dominican Republic)
and a young international SS that will both rise in the system fast.
hitztheball
Did you see the absolute bomb Campos hit today?
For Love of the Game
Campos is all of 18 yrs. old!
SportsFan0000
Baby Cabrera with all that power!
TroyVan
I seent that homer. 1st plate appearance in a “major league environment”, even if it was only spring training.
And btw Kreidler started out like he was on a path to make the team, then fell off hard.
Airo13
I had heard about Campos, but that homer was super impressive. Dude already has his man body at age 18.
dkhits20
@Jm207* 2 Yep. Or Baez moves to 2B in a couple years and Kriedler plays SS.
Gator Bait
Already regretting that Baez contract? His main attraction is his glove. Best hope is he opts out of the deal, should have waited on the Correa situation. Detroit is so over hyped right now, they are not close at all in a multitude of ways.
Cleveland will have a better record.
dkhits20
@gator bait He hasn’t played a single regular season game yet. Way too early to regret the contract. Correa’s injury history was a concern and I’m not resentful that they didn’t sign him to a long-term deal. 6 years of Baez for $140MM could still end up working out better than 3 years of Correa for $105MM..
And I don’t think Detroit is overhyped. There aren’t many people saying they’re going to win the division this year. But with the additions of Barnhart, Rodriguez, Baez, Pineda, Tork and now Meadows, they’re definitely improved from last year and should be within reach.
stymeedone
I think its also because Workman impressed during the spring. I like Paredes a lot, but I think they felt they have depth at 2B and 3B. This may move Baddoo to CF, with Reyes while waiting for Greene to heal. Meadows and Haase in LF.
For Love of the Game
Maybe Kreidler, Workman, Christian Santana, Izaac Pacheco, Manuel Sequera. Lots of left-side infielders down on the farm.
detroitdave84
I think Paredes is befuddling and maybe Tampa can unlock his potential. This was a many move and Tampa took the riskier move. Meadows is clearly the better player now, past & future. Paredes is all on the if/come. Zero risk with Meadows and huge upside on him returning to 2019/2020 if healthy. He’s only 26 soon 27. Bug power in that bat and Paredes will never get those type of production.
Sa'ed Faoul
Moving Meadows has a lot to do with opening up a lane for Josh Lowe (a better defender with a possibly comparable bat). It’s also about opening up DH ABs for Brandon Lowe as a way to potentially keep him healthy and open the lane further for more starts at 2B for Taylor Walls (or maybe even Vidal Bruján someday). Rays needed a RHB to balance their line-up, Yandy Diaz is aging and unlikely to improve (some very early signs of regression last year), and Rays will make good use of an additional Comp B pick (at worst it increases the Rays margin of error for picking so much around the 3rd round). All of this plays into the Rays efforts to extend their window.
weaselpuppy
WOOOOOO!!!! Is Greene hurt worse than we know? Don’t think so.
Baddoo is raking in ST. Grossman is 20/20 with OBP. Miggy at DH, Tork at 1b.
GIDDYUP!
You Can Put It In The Books
Cabrera is a shell of his former self. But I agree with the rest.
SportsFan0000
Cabrera should be hitting 7th or 8th.
BuyBuyMets
No Miggy should be hitting golf balls full time
detroitdave84
He’s a HOF leave it alone. Still hit 15 homers and drove in runs. He’s beloved.
Dumpster Divin Theo
15 HRs and still putting up the RBIs. Party like it’s 1979.
LetThereBeLux
Remember the time miggy’s wife slapped him silly? Or the time he tried suicide by police and failed. Good old miggy. Whatta guy!?
JMoney22
And yet he’s one of the best right handed hitters to ever suit up. His contract is about to expire and then the tigers have a ton of money to burn. Tigers have a huge up arrow !!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Cabrera, albatross of a contract? That will be Javy Baez in 3 years.
angt222
TB making unusual trades again.
You Can Put It In The Books
They always win.
SportsFan0000
This one is a “win/win”
detroitdave84
The pundits are calling it a heist for Detroit so dream on with Win/Win. Paredes is not the player you think he might someday become. Meadows is a former All Star has hit 33 & 27 homers whereas Paredes hit .204 in two stints in the majors, was blocked at the MLB level and was passed on the prospect list internally by Kreidler. Tampa wanted their top OF prospect to play & dump 4 million. Their main focus was the draft pick and the salary dump. Paredes is a 4a player with a lottery ticket potential to actually be a starter. He’s no longer a high end prospect.
detroitdave84
Not this time. Salary dump. We in Detroit know this player for 4 years. Paredes is no longer a rising star. He’s a make it or break it role player not a starter
tg0880
Yet they always know what they’re doing lol
seamaholic 2
Yep. Guaranteed their analytics tell them that Meadows is already in decline, or at least will never repeat his 2019. And I’d be much more comfortable putting money on them being right than wrong.
detroitdave84
You obviously don’t understand the trade or how every top pundit calls it a steal for the Tigers. Meadows still hit .234 27 homers last year. Paredes is never going to hit 27 homers and is trending towards 4A status. Meadows is a former top 10 pick and All Star and is only 26. This is a hugely one sided coup by Detroit. Get over the fact that Tampa was desperate to get their rookie in and the salary out. There wasn’t anyone to take on that salary and could fit him other than Detroit. Tampa got the short end here & just because they win more trades than they lose is meaningless in this case. The Tigers win this trade—-Clearly!
Moneyballer
I wouldn’t trade with TB. They’ll get you everytime! Watch this Paredes kid turn into a stud.
weaselpuppy
Maybe they bring up his brother Parker to replace him down the road….
splodem
Dangit, wish the Giants had been in on him.
geg42
Not that different than Joc Pederson
seamaholic 2
Very similar, except Joc can play a decent center field, or could when he was a bit younger.
splodem
Meadows has better career splits both ways than Pederson though.
BuyBuyMets
Much
fuchholz
If I’m Detroit, I’m wondering what Tampa sees in my prospects.
Ted
Seriously. Ask Tampa Bay who they want, then hang up the phone and promote all of those guys to the big league roster immediately.
Mario93
@Ted lol
rennick
I laughed pretty hard at this. Mostly because it’s a sound strategy.
SportsFan0000
Paredes is a future star.
Was All Star and Batting title winner in the winter league.
He looks like a stud 3B and potential All Star.
If Meadows hits to his potential, then both sides get what they want.
If not, then this is “Howard Johnson” to the Mets, or Eugenio Suarez to the Reds type deal (trade a future star before he “breaks through” at the big league level.
Sa'ed Faoul
Tampa sees a logjam (MILB RHB INF) in Detroit, that helps to clear a logjam in Tampa (LHB OF)
detroitdave84
If you had any clue who Paredes actually is as a prospect, you would understand that the bloom is off the rose and maybe Tampa can be salvaged but is a lottery ticket prospect and he was passed by prospects in the organization & they have many other prospects in the pipeline with more upside. This was clearly a salary dump & the carrot was the competitive balance pick which is fairly high and useful for a great drafting organization like Tampa.
weaselpuppy
Paredes is a hitter though. Gonna have a long Brad Miller+ career worst case
Airo13
I wouldnt say thats worse case, judging by what he has done when called up in Detroit so far…
candymaldonado
Never ever ever trust the Rays if you’re a GM of an opposing team and it seems like the trade is an obvious win for your own team.
seamaholic 2
This isn’t an obvious win for Detroit. Very much not, if you know anything about prospects. Paredes is legit and Meadows is a dime a dozen corner OF, albeit with a few years of control yet.
candymaldonado
I agree. But I’m also quite sure Detroit thinks they just won by getting proven talent for unproven and (thus far) highly unproductive talent, which seems to be when TB is about to fleece you the worst.
TroyVan
I’ve watched Paredes for parts of 2 years now. Calling his legit is inaccurate.
He very well may end up having a respectable
career, but I’d caution you about becoming over optimistic.
He’s one of those guys of the future that always will be.
Airo13
Tigers have plenty of dime a dozen AAA quality 3B too
NickVin
Can someone tell me if Paredes is any good? I looked at his baseball reference, and his stats minors/majors were not that impressive.
Ted
If Tampa Bay likes him…
Jm207* 2
He gives you great at bats, especially for a young guy. Great discipline. Has really good contact rates. Quality of the contact in majors has been the issue lots of soft contact. They have been working with him on lifting the ball more. Has all star upside. 20 homerun, good batting average and obp potential. Tigers didn’t really give him a shot. When he got a shot he got injured several times.
NickVin
To me it doesnt make sense in Tampa either since they have Franco and Lowe at SS/2B. Does he play 3B? Cause I could see him there since it’s not entirely locked down.
Prospectnvstr
NickVin: The key for the Rays is the upcoming competitive balance B draft pick. Clearing Meadows salary and adding controllable depth is a bonus.
seamaholic 2
That’s never an issue with Tampa. If Paredes shows up big in AAA, they’ll turn Lowe or Diaz into some other stud. Actually they are pretty light at 3B at the moment. Yandy is just OK, and is about to get expensive by Rays standards.
Airo13
He’s shown flashes. Seems timid at the plate though.
Dogbone
Paredes is still very young. But he shows he has very good baseball instincts and development, up to this point.
SportsFan0000
Mexican Winter League batting title winner @ age 21 in 2021.
placido my polanco
He plays solid third base, doesn’t strike out much and takes his walks. But he doesn’t have a ton of power or speed, so there’s that.
detroitdave84
He was the key player in the trade when the Tigers acquired him. He was 17 or 18 and profiled as a power hitting SS. He grew stronger and moved up quickly but he stalled the last 2 years. Yes he only 23/24 but when you peak at 22 at AAA and couldn’t take 2b from Schoop or SS from Goodrum, it’s not promising. Tampa doesn’t need Paredes but they love the draft pick & salary dump. 4 million now but arbitration next year he goes to 6 to 8 million. Tigers scored big because he slides into starting and the cleanup spot. He’s only 26 and has been injured recently. Tampa fans can spin it and the people here who are clearly anti Detroit, can spin it as well. However, not one pundit is saying “great trade for Tampa”. They are saying “Tampa doing what they always do, dump salary, bring up the next prospect ready to play” 4 years from now, that prospect gets traded. Tampa doesn’t deserve a MLB team. Worst baseball town in baseball.
Mrsuntan
But at least this area is not not a crime ridden low class rust belt sewer. Enjoy the snow and taxes and mask mandates
You Can Put It In The Books
I can’t wait until this guys world comes crashing down. This is such a bad take lol.
jonbluvin
Tampa had to get rid of that massive contract, $4 million.
kc38
This was a lot to do with salary but the Rays are the best in baseball and looking clearly at a players value. No emotional attachment but just straight value. Take the RBI out of it and meadows was not a good hitter and then look at the peripherals and it’s even worse. Meadows is overrated
seamaholic 2
To be fair, a lot easier to do this when you don’t have fans to worry about, who might get attached to particular players.
hiflew
No emotional attachment is EXACTLY why Tampa will never have a large fan base at their games. Everyone makes fun of the Rockies for not making good baseball decisions, but they have about 2 and a half times the attendance of the Rays.
Not saying it the exact cause, but Rockies fans still get to see Charlie Blackmon play and have a rooting interest in watching him play for years. Whereas if he was a Ray, he would have been traded away in 2016. Sometimes the “worse” baseball decision is better for your franchise’s bottom line.
kc38
Anddddd the Rockies continue to finish in last place…. I’ll take my playoff consistent rays and a couple empty chairs around me any day. I’m not the owner why in the hell do I care how many people are there. I love the team and I enjoy watching our players, you can’t tell me it’s more enjoyable going to a game because you’ve had the same outfielder for years and you lose 80-90 games. Stop
hiflew
You should care, because they are not going to be there for you to watch in a few years. If that long.
By the way. The last time the Rockies finished in last place in their division was in 2015. The last time the Rays finished in last place in their division was 2016. So, maybe you should get your facts straight before opening your mouth.
And yes I can tell you that. Because I root for players, not laundry. You don’t enjoy rooting for your players, you enjoy rooting for whoever happens to be wearing the Rays jersey this year.
kc38
Yeah that’s called rooting for a team… idk how this world got so infatuated with just one player. If a player spends 8 years with a team and then leaves you gonna start traveling to another state every game to go watch that player? No you’re gonna continue to go to your TEAMS games. Everyone he wants their TEAM to win a World Series, nobody cares if Jorge soler gets a ring on his finger, they wanna watch the whole organization win a World Series
Mrsuntan
The Rays have the 5th best record in baseball since 2008. Maybe “YOU” should get your facts straight before opening your mouth?
jonbluvin
I don’t think he is overrated at his current salary level. The reason the Rays trade so much and view players solely on their value is because the front office has to work within the constraints of a very limited budget. They are very efficient, but this is a sports team and solely constructing a team without emotional attachment is not conducive to fan retention. You can’t grow your fan base and increase your tv revenue with this type of operation.
BuyBuyMets
I call shenanigans on the small market tripe.
Every team makes more money just in TV money alone than the Ray’s total payroll.
Samuel
W@$21002046;
YOU SAID IT!
LOL
Revenue minus payroll = Money In The Owners Pocket
It’s not like MLB teams have any other expenses or taxes to pay.
flamingbagofpoop
Calling shenanigans on something because you’re ignorant…you do you.
detroitdave84
Sure, take his 33 homers , 27 homers, high rbi totals, number 9 overall pick and he’s just …..WTF? Paredes not number 9 overall, never an All Star, never hit 20 homers at any level, couldn’t replace Niko Goodrum or Jonathan Schoop at SS or 2b. What are you smoking? Meadows is a 2 war player and Paredes is negative 7. Give it a rest.
rememberthecoop
Well, how about that…
Sideline Redwine
Wow, appears to be a weak return. Paredes’ minor league stats don’t even appear impressive. Eek.
Josh Lowe coming up now? Maybe? Hopefully?
NickVin
Ooo, that actually makes sense. Maybe Lowe or Brujan making the roster now?
detroitdave84
Lowe was named to Opening Day roster.
You Can Put It In The Books
Eek? The Rays always end up ahead. Just wait and see.
seamaholic 2
Paredes is a recent Top 100 prospect baseball-wide. He’s very young for his level and has all sorts of talent. If he were in the Yankees system everyone would be saying what a steal this is for the Rays. Never base prospect evaluations on minor league stats when the kid is 2 or 3 years younger than the league.
detroitdave84
Paredes hasn’t been a top 100 prospect since 2019/2020. He’s not a prospect now more of a reclamation project trending to 4A MLB depth.
SportsFan0000
You haven’t scouted that guy Peredes…lots of talent.
Airo13
He has looked lost in his major league stints. Maybe he figures it out, but that Avila/Justin Wilson for Candelario/Paredes trade with the cubs a few years ago looks great for the tigers either way.
rhswanzey
The draft pick is approx the 67th-72nd overall pick in this year’s draft, btw. It’s not a Paredes for Meadows swap; Rays would never do that.
seamaholic 2
Yes they would. The pick is gravy (and is worth very little).
rhswanzey
Craig Edwards’ draft pick valuation approximations place it at about $4m. Also worth noting those valuations don’t exist in a vacuum, and a team so dependent on pre arb players may place more of a premium on those picks.
Y2KAK
I can’t wait in 10 years if/when people come back to this post because the player turned into a superstar
detroitdave84
You are clueless. The draft pick is the sauce, it’s what they wanted. The salary dump is obviously the main reason because its 4 million this year, 7 million next year , 11 million year 3. Do you even follow Tampa or understand how Tampa do things? It’s addition by subtraction and they can use that money to add a player with a higher contract at the deadline. You are embarrassing yourself with each additional comment.
Led Hoyer
The draft pick is definitely what made this trade. Paredes is a light hitting utility guy. He has value but not 3 years of meadow value.
Mario93
Damn.. Tigers adding Baez and Meadows this offseason, really really nice additions.
Finlander
Don’t snooze on that catcher coming over from Cincy either. Waiting to see how the Detroit pitchers like throwing to him.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Unless the Tigers are prepared to make a run in the next 2 seasons (could happen) the Tigers are assembling a roster of league average veterans who’ll be on the wrong side of 30. Paying for past performance. Kudos to AL for being the contrarian tho.
motor city pride
I love this as a Tiger fan! IP still has potential, but this limits how much we see Reyes out there. Really like this move.
BlooBengal
So glad that the Tigers are a major league team again.
Rsox
This move allows for the Tigers to keep Reyes as a 4th Outfielder rather than an everday player
You Can Put It In The Books
Meadows is a nice player. It’s just… the Rays are always the smartest team in the room. I scratch my head whenever teams trade with them.
racosun
Lol, you must work for them. Garbage-for-gold salary dump, but your Hefty bag smells SO great, hahaha!!
You Can Put It In The Books
Why you mad tho?
Mrsuntan
“Put it in the books” is right, you obiviously dont follow baseball
Mrsuntan
Who is hahaha..ing now racosun , Got Any other smart takes for us? That is the problem with dumb posts…they never go away
Jal179
This is a flat out win for the Tigers. Heart of the order bat with control. This Jays fan completely fine with this deal.
You Can Put It In The Books
You must be new to baseball. The Rays will be just fine and continue driving the AL East nuts.
Jal179
Time for the Jays to drive the Rays nuts.
Not new to baseball. Meadows improves the Tigers lineup. I get they won’t win the AL central but at least they are trying to win a few more ball games.
kc38
Meadows was garbage
Prospectnvstr
Jal179: That’s until whoever the upcoming “compensation B” draft pick comes up and bites you in the butt for a handful of yrs. I’m not being a Richard, I’m just jerking your chain.
SportsFan0000
I would have traded Candelario and put Paredes @3B.
Paredes has a much bigger upside than Candelario who has peaked
and will be a FA in 2 years,
Dumpster Divin Theo
This. What SportsFan0000 just pointed out about the Tigers buying high and keeping the likes of Jeimer past their peak. Have a feeling this deal will not age well. Meadows appears on a scouting service list of 15 players whose fundamentals warn of imminent decline (batted ball profile, K and chase rate) along with Javy and Arozarena. Maybe all 3 will end up with the Tigers.
SportsFan0000
The Rays rarely miss on trades, They circled back to the Tigers and specifically wanted Paredes. The Rays had previously asked for Paredes in other deals discussed. So watch this guy. He could be the next Arozarena.
seamaholic 2
Meadows is not that. He was for one year and has never shown any analytics since that show he can do it again. He’s a garden variety, slightly better than league average hitter with a huge platoon split. As someone pointed out above, he’s Joc Pederson, whom the Tigers could have signed for nothing.
stymeedone
Peterson cost more than $4MM and is a free agent at years end. Meadows is controlled.for.3 years and is the lefty power bat Mazaro wasnt.
Jal179
Time for the Jays to drive the Rays nuts.
Not new to baseball. Meadows improves the Tigers lineup. I get they won’t win the AL central but at least they are trying to win a few more ball games.
Mendoza Line 215
So it turns out that Meadows is not equal to Frank Robinson in the worst trade of all time?
Could he be as the Pirates envisioned just Mark Kotsay,a reasonably good but not great outfielder?
Only time will tell if the HOF comes calling.
BuyBuyMets
You might want to factor in that unlike Joc, Meadows can actually hit a fair ball off a LHP.
Dumpster Divin Theo
League average hitter who doesn’t mesh well with the toolsy defensive excellence of Kiermaier and Margot, nor possesses the multi dimensional potential of Lowe and Brujan, two of the most exciting prospects, who were being blocked. Thought they were merely going to dump off Kiermaier’s salary to some unsuspecting dupe like the Cubs but this is even better, trading Meadows, who wasn’t in the Rays future, for an actual prospect. Why the Rays continue to be the smartest guys in the room. AL Avila. Not so much.
flamingbagofpoop
a 113 wRC+ hitter should not be a heart of the order bat for any team with legitimate playoff aspirations.
Very Barry
How can the Padres be considered any type of contender and not get this deal done??? Trent Grisham, Will Myers and Jurickson Profar is current Padre outfield. Meadows costs $4 million. Sean Manaea costs $10 million. That leaves $6 million to take even more money off Tampa’s hands in exchange for lessor prospect compensation.
Dogbone
Barry, I ageee. Pads should easily have the young, inexpensive players to have got Meadows from TB. Unless they didn’t like the idea of ‘helping them out’???
You Can Put It In The Books
They’re going to send the Mets prospects for Dom Smith and drop Hosmer off at the homeless shelter in the Barrio.
seamaholic 2
It would have cost SD one of their top 5 prospects. You still up for that? Just because he plays in a not-very-hyped farm system and you’ve never heard of him doesn’t mean Paredes is not a very significant piece.
Very Barry
Yes! Been hearing about this stockpile of pitchers in the Padres farm system for years now. Yet the past couple of seasons have seen the Padres “trade” for Mike Clevinger, Blake Snell, Joe Musgrove, Yu Darvish and Sean Manaea. The Padres “window” is nearly closed. Clevinger and Snell are in decline. Darvish ain’t getting younger and cracks under pressure. Manaea a free agent after this year. Got to try and squeeze something out of this group right now! Does McKenzie Gore get Austin Meadows done??? Not sure we ever see Gore in the majors.
Vegasnightlife
Maybe its part of a bigger picture…. Det gets a few pitchers from SD for Meadows and prospects
For Love of the Game
Looks like a reasonable pricetag for guy with three more seasons of control and a history of some accomplishments even if the recent past hasn’t been great. I don’t think this was part of Avila’s master plan, just an opportunistic pickup at a reasonable price.
SportsFan0000
Parker Meadows, Austin’s brother, is making his way up the Tigers farm system.
Tigers could have two of the Meadows brothers in their OF in a few years
(like the Alou Brothers).
baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=mea…
SportsFan0000
I am very surprised that the San Diego Padres did not pivot directly to
Austin Meadows from after landing the A’s southpaw Manaeu (sp).?
weaselpuppy
I an guessing this is because Conforto has a nod/wink/handshake deal set up with Preller via Boras. Just waiting to move Hosmer’s salary so they can play Voit at 1b and Myers to DH.
Mendoza Line 215
Weasel-I wish Preller good luck in moving Hosmer’s salary.He made that bed.He has to sleep in it.
stymeedone
If Conforto’s waiting for Hosmer’s contract to be moved, I hope he’s not holding his breath. Isn’t Conforto the OF version of Hosmer, anyway?
48-team MLB
This is only the beginning. The Tigers will acquire Freddie Freeman at the deadline.
phillyballers
The art of selling low.
Mendoza Line 215
I am sure that the Rays brass did due diligence and found out that this is what they could get for Meadows.
mgomrjsurf
Schoop at 2B.
gotigers68
Very good pickup by the motor city kitties !
ActionDan
Good trade but I hope it doesn’t turn into the Willy Adames trade 2.0.. we all knew what kind of prospect he was as a 17 year old at the time. I wouldn’t be surprised if Paredes turns into a 30-40 home run hitter
SportsFan0000
Paredes will be a better player than Candelario. Tigers traded the wrong guy.
seamaholic 2
All indications suggest that the Tigers are gonna regret this trade. But Paredes was a little blocked and the division is wide open for the taking, so I can see their side as well.
Airo13
Ehhh, Candelario led the league in doubles last year and is entering what should be his prime years. I would bet on a major power uptick out of him over Paredes ever even becoming league average.
SportsFan0000
Candelario should have been traded at peak value for a package of almost MLB ready and MLB young players.
Detroit kind of has it backwards.
Trade at peak value, buy at rock-bottom value,
stymeedone
But he isn’t the better player now. Candelario is currently the Tigers most well rounded hitter.
SportsFan0000
Get back to me in 1-2 years and see how this trade has aged.
Captain Judge99
I definitely don’t get it at all. For Meadows Tampa could have probably got Hassell, Weathers and Campusano. The Pods are pretty loaded. The Rays must see something in this Tiger Prospect Paredes.
seamaholic 2
OMG no. Meadows is not anywhere near that good. You may not have paid attention to him since 2019, his career year, but he’s not worth any one of those guys. Well, maybe Weathers.
Captain Judge99
I totally disagree. Meadows hits 27 homeruns, steals bases, and is a good defensive player. The Rays got lowballed here. Meadows is definitely worth Hassell, Campusano and Weathers. The Pods should of traded for him, they might regret it.
SportsFan0000
‘Not a chance the Rays get 3 top prospects for Meadows.
If Preller want to do that deal, then call Al Avila,
Al Avila will take those Padres players
(Hassell, Weathers, Campusano).. for Meadows.
knolln
I doubt they could get weathers and i don’t know that tampa really lacks unproven sp options. Meadows wouldn’t be close to bringing hassell or campusano 1 for 1
beyou02215
That might be the price for Reynolds. Not a snowball’s chance the Padres would consider that for Meadows.
SportsFan0000
I wouldn’t trade those three players for Reynolds.
SportsFan0000
Paredes wins Batting Title in Winter Ball Mexican League
mlb.com/news/isaac-paredes-wins-mexican-pacific-le…
He produces like this in the majors and the Tigers are going to be sorry they gave up this guy.
stymeedone
Remind me when it happens.
SportsFan0000
It happens quite frequently in Rays trades.
Cardinals thought Arozarena was a 4th or 5th OF.
SS Adames to Rays from Tigers.
Meadows, SP Shane Baez, SP Tyler Glasnow to Rays for SP Chris Archer etc…
Jubilation
Adamses was highly thought of when he was moved
SaintChris
Paredes has been great for a few years in the minors. He just hasn’t been able to hit major league pitching. Maybe this is his year, but he’s looked like a AAAA player to me.
weaselpuppy
Paredes needs something, maybe it’s Tampa. He looked like the better part of the deal that brought Candelario and he over for Wrigley for Justin Wilson….man, that was a nice Avila move ..
SportsFan0000
I would have kept Paredes and traded someone else.
This trade has “Eugenio Suarez” to the Reds or Howard Johnson to the Mets
written all over it.
Airo13
Suarez had already looked good in the majors for the tigers. That trade made no sense the second it happened.
TroyVan
I liked Suarez in his brief time with the Tigers. I was surprised they dealt him…..
GinaNCRaysFan
What Paredes needs is to get a year or two older where he’ll be ready to face MLB talent pitchers. The Rays can easily afford to let him stay in Durham and develop some more before they try pushing him to the major league roster.
SportsFan0000
I was right about the Paredes for Meadows trade. Paredes already has 10 home runs for the Rays. Meadows cannot stay off the IL.
SaintChris
Al Avila literally traded his son to the Cubs in the deal that brought back Candelario & Paredes.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Meadows was expendable. Josh Lowe and Vidal Brujan are guys that need PT. Meadows is a limited corner/DH type after he peaked in ’19. This open spot should help Brujan if the Rays push Brandow Lowe to the COF.
Paredes is also a guy they can plug into and around the infield, with experience on both sides he can fill in wherever the Rays need. His bat hasn’t developed enough power to play up his stellar batted ball profile. They could find the right key to unlocking his upside as they cycle through cheap young talented players.
Sa'ed Faoul
^this
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yep, ^that
beyou02215
Lowe has to be coming up. Maybe Brujan.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Addition by subtraction plus whatever Tampa gets out of Paredes. Why the Rays always win. Especially when squaring off with the likes of AL Avila.
Rangers29
WHY RANGERS, WHY COULD YOU NOT DO THIS!!!
stymeedone
Lack of minor league talent that Texas was willing to trade? Just a guess.
Rangers29
Be less realistic
TroyVan
I hate to see Paredes go, but the Tigers have difficult decisions to make and they need to cut bait with some of those players who didn’t pan out for others who can help us win in the near future. Not only was Paredes blocked, but he simply didn’t perform in his MLB time.
The future is now.
tiger9
This is a clear win for the Tigers. Paredes is a fine hitter and still very young. Trouble is there was no room for him in Detroit. My feeling yesterday was that they couldn’t possibly go into the season with Reyes starting. Apparently they felt that way too.
stymeedone
Reyes will still play CF against Lefties, until Greene is back. Once Miggy hits his Milestone 3000, I could see Meadows start to get some DH time.
TroyVan
Reyes is a pretty good hitter, IMO. They aren’t going to part ways with him. He’s turned into a hulk since he first came over in the Rule 5.
YankeesBleacherCreature
How bout em Tigers. I’m rooting for them to take the AL Central and an unlikely Votto-like resurgence for Miggy. They’re going to a fun team once Miggy is off the books.
stymeedone
They are a fun team now!
Airo13
I could actually see Miggy bouncing back somewhat with the extra motivation from finally being on a competitive team again. He started slow last year, but actually had respectable numbers from May on.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Once Miggy is off the books, Tigger will have to deal with an indifferent, fading Javy on the books. Enjoy!
SaintChris
Javy is going to have a couple good years for the Tigers then opt out of his contract.
Dumpster Divin Theo
If so that’s a win/win. Love Javys work ethic and enthusiasm. Just– he hasn’t adjusted his all out approach at the plate and favorable BABIP can only compensate for poor plate discipline for so long. Unless he adjusts, his skill set will not age well at all.
mario crosby
Tampa isn’t worried. The Rays will get the Pirates to hand over Brian Reynolds and two more prize prospects for some minimum wage Class A prospects.
Vince Camp
Hey guys. I’m a Cleveland fan and I wish we had Meadows in our outfield. Oh I forgot. We have have Bradley Zimmer after all.
TroyVan
We sent you Leonys Martin….. where’s he at?
Airo13
And Max Scherzer is making more this year than your entire MLB payroll…
Rsox
Steven Kwan will be up at some point and so too could George Valera. Cleveland’s Outfield situation should be improving in the near future
JayRyder
Wow. Detroit got a Steal.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Nope.
For Love of the Game
Tigers have an underrated hitting coach, Scott Coolbaugh. Maybe he saw something fixable in Meadows.
flamingbagofpoop
Unless he can get the opposing pitchers to use the juiced ball again, I don’t think he’s fixing meadows.
oldleftylong
Guess this means Willi or Harold Castro make the Tiger team. Ugh!
Airo13
Harold Castro is fine as a utility infielder. Willi can go away.
FunkyD
So .291 is now considered ‘massive’. Got it.
gbs42
It’s a strong BA, but it’s also about the two numbers after that. He avoided outs and hit for power, both of which are very good things.
FunkyD
I do not mean to knock the player. If .291 is ‘massive’, what exactly is .310? Or .320?
gbs42
Fair point. Maybe .310 is “spectacular” and .320 is “awe-inspiring.”
Ghost Pepper
Pretty sure San Diego is holding out for Reynolds.
Rsox
Problem is Preller will have to empty the remainder of the farm system to get him and the Pirates aren’t taking Hosmer in return.
The Padres seemingly dropped the ball with all of the Outfielders that were available. I still believe swapping Paddack/Pagan with the Mets, Hosmer with the Cubs, and Heyward to the Padres would help all three teams.
GarryHarris
We’ve seen some stupid moves before but, the Cubs won’t take on Eric Hosmer.
Jason Heyward’s contract is $44M two more seasons through age 33 and ends next year.
Eric Hosmer’s contract is $60M through age 35 and ends in 4 years.
Furthermore, 1B Frank Schwidel emerged as a good hitter and DH Alfonso Rivas is having a great spring.
TheLawAbides
Wow that franchise record salary of $83M could afford Max Scherzer AND Corey Seager
YourDreamGM
Good trade for both teams. Especially the Rays because draft picks are valuable for a smart team. Rays value outfield defense and view Meadows as a dh and they don’t need him. For Detroit they get 30 hr potential for a draft pick. They couldn’t develop the player so he only has value to a team that thinks they can improve him.
For Love of the Game
Most balanced view on the thread.
Moneyballer
Meadows had a horrific second half last season…maybe they were tired of seeing him strikeout in key situations. The key to this trade is the top 75 pick they got back. Let’s face reality, the Rays most likely had several more effective bats just waiting to be used in his spot. They won’t skip a beat without him. The archer trade was still the heist of the century with Glasnow and Baz still around.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Not just more effective bats in the spit of Meadows. Well rounded players in the OF. Runs produced and defensive runs saved. Hanging on to both Kiermaier and Margot, while adding Lowe and/or Brujan? Yes plz.
Raysbear96
Dear god I can’t wait to add this to the list of ill informed and clueless takes.
detroitdave84
In regards to the pick they traded. Tigers gave up 71st pick MLB Draft pick. Since ’99, only 8 taken in that spot have played in MLB, 4 with minus WAR. None since 2015 reached MLB. The best: Justin Masterson (’06) 10.1 WAR. Niko Goodrum (2.3 WAR) was taken 71st overall, as was former QB Brandon Weeden
brucenewton
Issac Paredes probably becomes a star.
dmazcomp
Tiger fan here who lives outside Toledo. I hope so. Saw Parades play quite a bit. He pretty much is a third baseman who was moved to second base because of Candelario. Shortstop only in an emergency. He is on the stocky side so not much range. Not very good on the double play. Power has not developed. Not much speed. Still, seems like a likeable kid. If the power develops, he will be a solid player. Maybe a Frank Catallanoto type.. I only saw Ryan Kreidler play a few times, but he definitely looks like a future major leaguer. I just think Parades got passed by in the organization.
JoeBrady
I haven’t seen him, but his minor league stats bear that out. He looks like a madrigal type, with a little more power.
SalaryCapMyth
Crowded outfield, eh? So Victor Reyes is going to take away AB’s from Meadows?
detroitdave84
Meadows will not hit Lefties so Reyes might but Grossman and Hill (when he’s off the DL) might play. Reyes is a switch hitter but a better Lefty.
urnuts
Where were the Padres on this one?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Al freaking out……after he heared about the superfife challenge…..
no meglomania here, despite what they say…..
SaintChris
Al Avila! I See you! Let’s go Tigers!
SportsFan0000
I see you Rod Allen!
Tom the ray fan
As a rays fan this is one I don’t get. Meadows didn’t turn into a stud but still is a solid bat although his athleticthism is a lot worse than I thought he’s already trending to dh only at his age. But for an inf? I would’ve taken any SP at this point. They tend to know what they’re doing but this trade seems outta of the norm. Hope I’m wrong.
GarryHarris
Like raw numbers or not, Austin Meadows collected 121 hits, 237 TB and played poor defense last season. Now, it seems Meadows has been beaten out by RF Ruben Cardenas and IF Taylor Walls.
I assume that Taylor Walls is a better defensive option at 2B than Brandon Lowe and will eventually play there permanently.
With Kevin Kiermaier in CF, Randy Arozarena in LF and Manuel Margot, who plays exceptional defense, in RF; Brandon Lowe in RF seems like only an occasional alignment. I think that in time, Isaac Peredes will take over 3B. Can Brandon Lowe play 1B or is he slotted for RF if or when TBR moves Kiermaier?
SportsFan0000
Kermier is on the trading block and will not be a Ray very long.
musha6570
All these folks make me laugh.. this is what Tampa bay does.. they win trades if not paredes the competitive balance pick will win it.. Hell even if meadows never returns to form just dumping the salary is a win for the rays who had young options being blocked in the minors.
detroitdave84
Paredes was blocked by better talent in Detroit and better prospects on the rise. Tampa dumped him for two lottery tickets.
fljay73
Meadows has been a hot & cold player the last 2 seasons. The Rays have a replacement on hand & his arbitration is now kicking in. The draft pick is probably more important to the Rays than the prospect but they obviously wanted the prospect also.
mike127
That had to be the longest story ever for a trade of two middling players. My finger just went on the IL from excessive scrolling.
warnbeeb
The Tigers have Meadow’s younger brother in their system, Parker, too. While he’s an OF’er too, he’s better than Parades.
I’m surprised that all it took was Parades to get Austin Meadows. The Tigers have several more prospects that might have been expendable. I think Kody Clemens is better. Colt Keith and Gage Workman were not going to be in Detroit any time soon and would be better.
Paredes is not the next Willie Adames….who the Tigers traded away under Dombrowski.
I guess Parades has nothing more to prove at AAA but, really, I don’t see him coming anywhere near the production of Austin Meadows.
detroitdave84
Tigers gave up 71st pick MLB Draft pick. Since ’99, only 8 taken in that spot have played in MLB, 4 with minus WAR. None since 2015 reached MLB. The best: Justin Masterson (’06) 10.1 WAR. Niko Goodrum (2.3 WAR) was taken 71st overall, as was former QB Brandon Weeden This is a total coup for Detroit but Tampa’s budget is always a factor in everything they do.
kwolf68
With Lowe, Walls and Brujan ready or at least close to it all possessing far superior upside than Parades, this one is a bit strange, but it may tell me the Rays are quickly tiring of Man-Choi at 1B and will move Yandy to 1B and install Walls (who has had a terrific Spring and is an elite glove man) at 3B and use Parades in a utility role and see if he can at least keep the chains moving even if he lacks much power or speed.
Rays do run a great organization, however lets quit over-stating how they are brilliant on EVERY single move. Adames looks like he is becoming a star. While JP and Drew were solid pickups don’t pretend the Rays ripped the Brewers. Croneworth has been a great pickup by San Diego from the Rays and I am sorry moving out Nate Lowe for Man-Choi was NOT the move of an organization that always gets it done.
Parades is just like every other prospect, unproven until proven and while still young thus far is tending like a mere roleplayer, if that. Which isn’t horrible, most prospects never even become that. So cool your jets thinking he is “gonna be a star”. That’s laughable musings. Him becoming “a star” is the least likeliest scenario.
To me this trade underscores the 2nd part of the Rays model, trading off veteran players at peak value so as to limit salary demands. Meadows is the next in the long line of “solid” players the Rays trade to install much cheaper and possibly just as effective options in their lineup.
The bottom line is Detroit got a proven starting player (well against righties at least) and TB got a post-hype prospect with limited ceiling, but should have a nice floor. So I give Detroit the edge here, but even if Meadows hits 30 homers and Parades is just a meh guy Tampa Bay won’t lose any sleep because their farm is always ready to back fill whatever they just traded.
LordD99
Question remains…when will they trade away Wander Franco. He’s an asset whose contract only makes him more valuable. His salary begins to pop with the 2025 season and then really bumps up in 2026.
musha6570
I’m so sick of hearing about cronenworth he was a double a player when they traded him. Adames was never gonna hit here and I suspect he falls back to earth before long. I’ll always trust in the team because they always make it work.
fljay73
40 man roster crunch happens to every team. The Rays picked up needed pitching for Adames.
bravesfan
First, when could we trade draft picks? Has that been a thing that’s rarely used or is this new? 2nd, bad deal for the rays. There, I said it. $4 mil off the books, who cares. Surely you could have gotten a better return here
Whubalabadubdub
The kid can hit. Not a superstar or anything but he can swing it pretty good. Problem is his health and arm on d. Tampa smart by getting picks in a solid top heavy draft.
detroitdave84
It’s the last pick in the 2nd round. 30% chance to be a MLB player in 4 or 5 years. It’s Tampa so they could hit on it but the Tigers have a MLB player who’s history says .240/.250 30 homers 100 RBI for the next three years. Paredes history says .200 5 homers .
TommyTheTiger
This isn’t a win/lose trade for either team. The Rays traded an at least decent player who didn’t fit their roster for a potentially at least decent player who does fit their roster. And vice versa. This is a solid trade for both clubs.
JoeBrady
I agree. It’s probably about even value-wise. I like Parades, but the Tigers needed to make a move to replace Greene. Meadows is a good addition without having to give up any key prospects.
detroitdave84
How can you call it even when Paredes hasn’t broken camp ever to the MLB and Meadows is a former all star, top 9 pick and has a history of playing in the MLB at a high level. What are you smoking? Not even close to being even. Tampa was desperate to get their prospect in the lineup. They had no takers this late in the spring and was shopping him for weeks. Tigers finally played it cool and Tampa cut bait cheaply. Every pundit says so and it’s hilarious you all are trying to spin it as “wait and see” or it was “even” NO! It’s a fleecing and it finally happened to Tampa. Get over it!
JoeBrady
Hey Dave, how ya doing? You still loving the -0- HRs and .267?
Like I said, I understood the trade from Detroit’s side, but you over-estimated Meadows and under-estimated Paredes.
Mendoza Line 215
The Pirates had come to the conclusion that Meadows was a reincarnation of Mark Kotsay,a good player but not even an all star.
I doubt that the HOF is calling just yet.
Walewanderscurtains
I think the trade shows that there’s not much left of Miggy. I saw a lot of ST I’d be surprised if he makes it through the whole year. His knees are completely shot. Just like Victor Martinez’s last year, he’ll need a pinch runner daily.
For Love of the Game
I think Miggy needs a total knee replacement. They hinted as much a few years ago when they said his knee condition is “chronic.” Knees can be fixed, but the fix is inconsistent with being a professional athlete. Get him to the 3,000 hit club and see if he would consider retiring at the end of the season. Trotting him out there next year will be even more embarrassing (for him).
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I don’t see him walking away from $38M, even if he doesn’t need it ($30M for the year and an $8M buyout on the option). It’s rare that these contracts don’t go all the way to the end; it’s why players want them.
For Love of the Game
I don’t disagree with you at all. That’s why I said “consider retiring.” No one leaves that kind of money on the table, but yikes the man has a lot of pride and that is going to sting more than the money.
detroitdave84
I am hoping they allow him to retire after this year and just pay him. He deserves the money & he deserves to walk away with dignity. 2022 is going to be a grind for him and I am not sure how long he stays hitting at 5. They are probably putting Meadows in the 4 hole and moving Candelario to 3 or 6. I think Candy, who’s a double machine should hit 3 giving Meadows a RBI opportunity. Torkelson could eventually move to 5 & Miggy 6 but not to start the season. Tigers lineup just got tough for RHP.
You Can Put It In The Books
“Allow him to retire”??? That’s just you projecting your wishes.
Miggy will be weighing down the Tigers payroll for another 4 years, pal (‘22-‘25) at $32M, $32M, $30M, $30M.
You Can Put It In The Books
And that lineup is not even that good lol
ccahoe02
I think this is just as much about the extra draft pick than anything
hyraxwithaflamethrower
As much as I try to give the Rays the benefit of the doubt in trades, this feels like a solid win for the Tigers and a nice boost to their offense.
StPeteStingRays
It may seem like a Detroit win in the moment, but i will give it time to play out. I’m excited to see JLowe patrolling the OF. Maybe Paredes provides some value. Maybe the pick turns into a winning lottery ticket. Maybe Austin runs into difficulty (or another all-star appearance). Only time will tell.
I do wish Austin Meadows continued success.
detroitdave84
The only realistic upside for Tampa is the money they saved this year and the next few years can be deployed at the trading deadline & locking up a young player. Paredes is a depth piece, former prospect, trending 4A. Meadows can easily hit .250 30 homers 100 rbi for the next 3 years. It was clearly a money dump.
TBRaysBucsBolts
People really need to learn to dig a little deeper when valuing players. There’s a reason Tampa Bay puts a competitive team on the field on such a low budget. They are damn good at evaluating players. For example: meadows is a liability in the outfield and he can’t hit lefties anymore…at all. He’s essentially a DH platoon candidate. He hits right handers very well, no doubt. And he’s extremely likable. He rented my Uncle’s house last summer and couldn’t have been nicer. But for those saying this is just a salary dump…. They just gave Manny Margo $19 million over two years. why? 2.8 WAR vs 2.0 for Meadows. 2019 was a career year for Meadows. But it was a mirage as well. His .331 BAbip was a fluke and completely unsustainable. The Tigers got the better player but the trade is a win for both teams. The Rays get a roster spot for Josh Lowe and this kid can flat out play. Meadows is a proven commodity and Lowe is a prospect so we’ll have to wait and see, but this trade should be judged by more than just the two players switching teams. It’s like the Willy Adames trade last season. Willy will probably produce better than than the relief pitchers the Rays got in return. So did the Brewers win the trade? Rays opened up a spot for Wander Franco! When will people finally start giving the Rays front office the benefit of the doubt that they have clearly earned? No team wins every trade but TB wins more than they lose…
You Can Put It In The Books
Don’t tell DetroitDave84. He should be here soon to reply with the same rhetoric on how much of a lopsided win this trade is for the Tigers.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Lopsided trade according to the “dozens and dozens of baseball analysts” hiding out in his basement. This has to be a bit. I’m calling DetroitDave out. We’ve all been duped.
Jack Buckley
Tampa has Vidal Brujin and Josh Lowe as reserves who would be starting for anyone else
RetroBeers
This site, like many sports sites, desperately needs a bot to log predictions, or a “remind me” feature like on Reddit. If people want to post some hot take on which team “won” a trade, they should be karma rated for it. Otherwise a lot of it is worthless. Nobody will revisit this piece in July, if say, Meadows is an all-star (or a flop) so there’s nothing at stake. Obviously many posters will give more nuanced and qualified opinions, but if people want to flash out with a hot take, that’s fine, but there should be a mechanism to put them on record. It would be opt-in and could be conceived as akin to a betting market, but with no money exchanged.
FrankDrebin
This way the Tigers will have two ways to get to the Meadow Land
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
This stinks
wileycoyote56
Not a bad trade, if Meadows hits he’ll fit in nicely, if not he’ll get to play minor league ball with his brother
Poster formerly known as . . .
Austin Meadows sounds like an upscale neighborhood in Texas.
detroitdave84
Tigers gave up 71st pick MLB Draft pick. Since ’99, only 8 taken in that spot have played in MLB, 4 with minus WAR. None since 2015 reached MLB. The best: Justin Masterson (’06) 10.1 WAR. Niko Goodrum (2.3 WAR) was taken 71st overall, as was former QB Brandon Weeden
YourDreamGM
How did players taken #72 do? 73? 74? 75? 76? 77? 78? 78?
Maybe the Rays will “reach” and increase their odds.
You Can Put It In The Books
This is such a bad take lol.
TBRaysBucsBolts
Detroit is twice the city Tampa is? This I gotta hear explained. You don’t mean the violent crime rate do you? Because thats actually 3x, not twice. Weather? Lol. Since 2000, Detroit has lost 30% of its population. Guess where they moved to? Tampa has gained 34% in population since 2000. You have the Red Wings, and they are awesome. Yzerman was a godsend for the Bolts. We’ve won the last 2 Cups so…yah. I’ll spare you comparing football teams. That’s just a low blow. You DO have a nicer ballpark though. No denying that one. I’ve been a Rays season ticket holder and when it’s 93 degrees and humid, the Trop is heavenly but sure it’s a dump. Since the Rays started, both teams have lost two World Series. Rays made 7 postseasons to Tigers’ 5.
Twice the city he says….LOL
You Can Put It In The Books
Tampa is filled with garbage and strip clubs. Detroit is no better, but Tampa is a dump.
Poster formerly known as . . .
I’ve scanned the thread and can’t find a post where anybody said Detroit is twice the city Tampa is. Can you tell me who said it?
ralphkramden55
Tiger fans shouldn’t get too giddy about this trade. Tampa doesn’t make dumb deals. It may work out for both sides but don’t expect too much from Meadows. Paredes has some upside and Detroit is famous for not giving younger players much of an opportunity before they’re pedaled off. We’ll see soon enough. Hope it works out well for both teams.
Airo13
Detroit hasn’t done that in yeeeeears…they got a good young player back with 3 years of team control. This is just as much about the future as it is the present.