For the better part of the last decade, the Guardians have been as good as any team in baseball at identifying and developing young pitchers, which has kept the rotation strong despite several notable departures. Due to Cleveland’s limited payroll, the pattern has been pretty simple — the Guards trade away a prominent name (i.e. Corey Kluber, Trevor Bauer, Carlos Carrasco, Mike Clevinger) when he gets too expensive, and then the club replaces that starter with a fresh face from the farm system, or perhaps a pitcher acquired in the trade. More often than not, that new hurler then becomes a quality arm in his own right, until his price tag also starts to rise and the pattern then repeats itself.
Zach Plesac and Aaron Civale are different kinds of possible trade candidates, as their status isn’t tied to their salaries. Both pitchers have just reached arbitration eligibility, with Plesac projected for a $2.9MM salary and Civale for $2.2MM in 2023. These modest starting points mean that even if Plesac or Civale have a pair of excellent seasons in 2023 and 2024, their salaries over his three remaining years of team control should still be manageable even for a cost-conscious organization like the Guardians.
On paper, these are the kinds of pitchers the Guards would seemingly want to hang onto as rotation depth, given their arb control and the decent track records that both hurlers have posted over their four MLB seasons. The two even have rather similar career numbers, though Plesac has 445 1/3 innings pitched to Civale’s 353 frames. However, the Guardians are one of the few teams who might have starting pitching depth to spare, and with Plesac and Civale sitting at the back of the rotation, at least one might be expendable enough to move for other roster needs.
Which is the more expendable of the duo? As noted, their resumes bear a lot of similarities, plus both right-handers are 27 years old (Plesac is about five months older). The innings gap is perhaps the most notable difference, and though Civale has been the less durable of the two, he might have the more upside.
Civale had a 60-day injured list stint in 2021 due to a sprained middle finger on his right hand. This limited him to 124 1/3 innings, and that number then dropped to 97 innings last year due to three separate 15-day IL visits. A wrist sprain, glute strain, and forearm inflammation all kept Civale off the mound, and the bigger-picture concern of the forearm problem dissipated when Civale was able to return after only a minimal absence. These injuries contributed to a 4.92 ERA for Civale, even if his 3.55 SIERA presented a much more favorable view of his performance.
Civale had an excellent 5.4% walk rate, and above-average strikeout and chase rates. With a fastball that averaged only 91.2mph, Civale relied on his curveball and sinker, and his spin rates (on his heater and his curve) were among the best in baseball. Unfortunately, Civale was hit hard in his lone postseason appearance, allowing three runs while only retiring one batter as the Game 5 starter in the ALDS. This put Cleveland in an early hole that it couldn’t escape, as the Yankees eliminated the Guards from the playoffs.
Plesac posted a 4.31 ERA/4.46 SIERA over 131 2/3 innings in 2022, with an above-average 6.7% walk rate but not much else in the way of secondary metrics. The right-hander also isn’t a particularly hard thrower and he doesn’t miss many bats (18.7% career strikeout rate). In fact, Plesac has posted some of the lower strikeout rates of any pitcher in baseball over the last two seasons, also sitting near the back of the pack in barrels, barrel rate, and hard-hit ball rate overall. With a career .265 BABIP, Plesac has gotten some help from the Guardians’ strong defense in limiting the damage from all that hard contact.
While Plesac has been healthier than Civale, Plesac has also spent some time on the IL over the last two seasons, which brings us to the other X-factor in this discussion of trade candidates. Only those inside the Guardians clubhouse and front office would know the truth of the matter, but there have been some rumblings that Plesac may have worn out his welcome in Cleveland due to concerns about his maturity level.
On the injury front, Plesac didn’t pitch in September of this season due to a fractured pinkie finger in his throwing hand, as Plesac reportedly hurt himself punching the mound in anger over allowing a homer to Seattle’s Jake Lamb on August 27. He also missed a little over six weeks in 2021 due to a right thumb fracture, which occurred while Plesac was “rather aggressively taking off his undershirt,” in the memorable words of manager Terry Francona. This made it two temper-related injuries in as many years for Plesac, and that followed his most well-publicized controversy during the shortened 2020 season.
In August of that year, Plesac and Clevinger violated league COVID-19 protocols by leaving the team hotel for a night out in Chicago. The two pitchers were subsequently placed on the team’s restricted list and then sent to the alternate training site that was served as a de facto minor league camp during the pandemic season. Plesac was eventually recalled back to the big league roster at the end of August, while the situation was one of the factors in Cleveland’s decision to deal Clevinger to San Diego.
The pitchers’ actions were very poorly received within the clubhouse, as multiple teammates were angered both by their lack of honesty about their actions as well as the health risk created by the protocol violation. As well, Plesac attempted to defend himself in an Instagram video by claiming the media had overblown the situation, and that ill-advised video also didn’t sit well with teammates.
This incident occurred over two years ago, and to reiterate, it isn’t known if any hard feelings still exist towards Plesac within the Guardians clubhouse. It may help Plesac that many members of that 2020 roster are no longer with the team, and he is now actually one of the longer-tenured players on a very young Cleveland team. Still, if weighing which of Civale or Plesac to move in a trade, this past situation might still be a consideration in the front office’s mind.
Prior to the trade deadline, reports suggested that the Guards were open to offers for controllable pitchers, at least as a matter of due diligence. This immediately sparked a plethora of Shane Bieber rumors, but it doesn’t really seem like a Bieber deal is on Cleveland’s radar in the near future (Steve Adams recently addressed the possibility of a Bieber deal in a piece for MLBTR subscribers). Triston McKenzie had a breakout year and is controlled through 2026, and Cal Quantrill is another 27-year-old pitcher in his first year of arb-eligibility. While Quantrill’s projected $6MM salary is significantly higher than Plesac or Civale, Quantrill has also done more to establish himself as a reliable arm. Cleveland turned to Quantrill for two postseason starts, while Civale and Plesac were both somewhat reduced to afterthought status in the playoffs.
Konnor Pilkington made 11 starts for the Guardians last season, and Hunter Gaddis, Xzavion Curry, and Cody Morris were among the other young starters who made their Major League debuts last season. Daniel Espino is one of baseball’s top pitching prospects and seems ready to make his debut at some point in 2023. Tanner Bibee and Gavin Williams are also top-100 prospects who could be late-season callups, and there are other pitchers within Cleveland’s upper tier of arms that might factor into their 2023 plans. There is enough depth and potential here that the Guards might feel like they can readily replace Civale’s 1.3 fWAR or Plesac’s 0.9 fWAR from the 2022 season.
That said, quite a few teams would happily take Civale or Plesac’s contributions in their rotations. Either pitcher could be seen as a change-of-scenery or even a buy-low candidate, though the three seasons of arbitration control would still allow Cleveland to ask for an interesting return. The Phillies reportedly checked in on Plesac in July, and purely speculatively, Civale or Plesac might have particular appeal to ex-Cleveland staffers now working for other teams. Former Guardians assistant GM Carter Hawkins might want to reunite with either pitcher now that Hawkins is the Cubs’ general manager, or former Cleveland assistant director of pitching development Matt Blake might feel he can get either right-hander on track in his current role as the Yankees’ pitching coach.
As always, the “you can never have too much pitching” credo must be mentioned, as the Guardians aren’t under any real pressure to move any of their arms. A strong rotation is such a backbone of the Guards’ team, in fact, that they might even be a little less willing to deal from their surplus just in case the younger pitchers aren’t ready to contribute to a contending team. Still, teams in need of pitching will unquestionably be sending a lot of offers in Cleveland’s direction, and Civale and Plesac might be the two most logical names to be dangled.
Old York
Which teams are going to trade for garbage-time players?
iverbure
What?
Old York
@iverbure
I repeat, which teams would be willing to trade for garbage-time players, as being presented in this article?
rememberthecoop
Look, you may call them that, but I think Marky Mark is right – several teams would be glad to have them, as pitching is just so damn watered down across MLB.
zippytms
Padres currently have three solid front-end guys in Darvish, Snell, & Musgrove, then not a whole lot after that. They need to add at least two MLB starting pitchers, plus depth. Teams need guys to eat innings, and the Padres should be interested in adding guys like Civale or Plesac. Calling them “garbage-time players” is a slap in the face.
Col_chestbridge
I suspect it’s Plesac for the various personality reasons if given. Any team that picks him up needs to believe that their internal culture is strong and strict enough to keep him in line. They’re also going to need to believe that their pitching instructors are top notch, and can get the most out if him. I suspect the Yankees are a match for those reasons.
Joe says...
The only issue with that is the Yankees tend to favor high strikeout guys. Otherwise you are spot on.
Big whiffa
Cleveland isn’t one of the best ran franchises in baseball bc they trade away players for doing smtg stupid. There’s no way that makes Plesac the likely candidate.
When Cleveland traded away clevinger- they got a kings ransom for the guy ! And won the central bc of it !
norcalguardiansfan
I don’t think you have to worry about Cleveland asking for a king’s ransom. These guys will go to teams who think they can rebuild their careers. Cleveland will get lower end prospects – guys in A or below who are at the bottom of the team’s top 25 – or maybe not even that high.
Cleveland will be looking for guys with upside who haven’t performed much, yet.
baji kimran
Cleveland isn’t one of the best run franchises. The fact is, their division is awful. When they finally win a World series (if they ever do) you can come tell me all about it.
norcalguardiansfan
I think it is sort of amazing that Cleveland is perceived as a poorly run club by some fans. While they haven’t won a World Series, that is the ONLY thing they haven’t done. Given their market size and lack of fan support they have been nothing short of remarkable. Put this team in a market that actually wants them there and they would be among the best teams in the sport every year.
hockeyjohn
Over the last decade, Cleveland has been one of the winningest teams in MLB on a small market budget. They win most every trade they make. Other teams hire from the Cleveland organization. Cleveland is a well operated franchise.
kreckert
Plesac shouldn’t be pitching for anybody until he learns how not to be a selfish, childish, sack of garbage.
juan pierre
Is this opinion because he had fun during Covid once
BenBenBen
Guess you missed all the other childish stuff he did that affected his team
Joe says...
Juan tell me you didn’t read the article without telling me you didn’t read the article.
mathblaster
He got mad and punched the mound and broke his hand this year
A year or two ago he broke a finger “taking his shirt off aggressively” after a bad start
He’s immature and a hot head
padam
Never seen that in baseball. Tell me more…
norcalguardiansfan
I was at the game in Seattle when he broke his finger. He was pissed because he lost his location after pitching pretty well in the early part of the game. He just hauled off and punched the mound after giving up a home run. You could tell something was wrong after that.
As for the taking off his shirt business, it is assumed that he punched a wall or something and just used the shirt thing as an excuse.
He has regularly been immature – but he has also shown signs of being a decent middle of the rotation pitcher. Great example of “needs a different environment.” That is why another team might want to trade for him. Won’t give up a lot, but maybe a lower level prospect or two.
Michael Chaney
Yeah, it’s not uncommon for a guy’s emotions to get the best of him in the heat of the moment. So sure, good for Plesac that he’s passionate. If it happens once, you learn from it and move on. If it happens twice, you might have to look yourself in the mirror.
Michael Chaney
As a Guardians fan, I agree. I can imagine he’d have value from being a controllable starter alone. Three years of an average starting pitcher can get a nice return.
That being said, his value is more because he’s cheap for a few years than because of his talent. (The Adam Eaton trade comes to mind.) If someone wants to offer a decent prospect or a similarly regarded hitter, I’d take it pretty quickly. He’d help a team that just needs reliable starters (the Rangers, for instance) but he’s basically a 4 or a 5 and he probably wouldn’t be someone you can start in a playoff series.
Michael Chaney
Vargas is definitely a reliever. I think Battenfield can be a starter (even if he’d just be a backend guy), and Cantillo could probably be either.
I’m glad you mentioned Will Dion though. I really like him and he gets no attention whatsoever. They have so many starters in Lynchburg/Lake County that just completely fly under the radar because of how deep their system is. But Dion is one of my favorites.
Big whiffa
Plesac needs to be more mature in the way he presents himself publicly. He could stand to take notes from our good friend kreckert as berating him on a message board just oozes maturity.
HalosHeavenJJ
I think every team could use one or both of them, including Cleveland.
I’d expect a lot of calls but if I’m Cleveland I might wait until the trade deadline to give the young guys just a bit more seasoning and to truly assess my needs for the stretch run.
Of course that creates the risk one or both gets hurt.
User 3663041837
Unless they requires tj surgery or tear a rotator cuff I don’t injuries being too much a concern. Still cheap with plenty of arb control so missing some time isn’t a deal breaker.
davemlaw
Both these guys are candidates for the classic “Challenge” trade.
And there should be plenty of teams interested despite their non stellar 2022 results. The trade partner isn’t as important as what Cleveland gets in return. Increasing their offense and also getting a good prospect would be ideal.
User 3663041837
Cleveland probably has a value they believe each is worth and will only trade them for said value. If nothing matches they will keep both to start the season. I suspect some ready now offensive players and some lotto prospects if they were to be traded.
drasco036
It would be interesting to me to see the Brewers trade Burns and then turn around nab one of these two.
Milwaukee actually would be a good fit given their history of having success with soft tossers under counsel. Hiura could give the Guardians a little more offensive firepower at DH.
jbigz12
I don’t think Plesac has much trade value at all.
He’s a #5 starter w/ some control.
Cleveland always finds diamonds in the rough and Its pretty likely they’d find one for him also. But I doubt you get anything really well regarded or MLB ready.
BenBenBen
This is good stuff from MLBTR.
Sa'ed Faoul
You forgot about Carlos Vargas, a pitcher with great stuff whom the Guardians have carried through injury on their 40 man for a couple years now. He is an x factor that pitched to excellent results and cracked the 26 man roster this year after a VERY abbreviated season. The Guardians passed on Oscar Gonzalez and Harold Ramirez to roster him, so they must still really believe in the arm, which if healthy has front end starter upside.
Cleveland has some unmentioned fringe depth too, like Peyton Battenfield who is on the margins of the majors and an interesting pitcher or Joey Cantillo and Will Dion, who have both shown flashes of excellence (the latter led single A in many stats categories). The Guardians are also great at picking up fringe pitchers in the offseason on the cheap through trades (e.g. Pilkington, Battenfield), some of whom pan out to provide innings. We could see this come to fruition again if they move on from more position players in the offseason.
Guarded Indian
Also Logan T. Allen
norcalguardiansfan
I think the Guardians see Vargas as a bullpen option. I suspect they see Battenfield and Cantillo the same way. Dion is a starter, but he has yet to pitch in AA.
Big whiffa
I enjoy and embrace the rumor aspect of this site and appreciate the article. That being said – no chance either of these guys are traded as they are cheap/controllable pitchers with upside still ON A CONTENDING TEAM. They are more like the players that Cleveland would go get – not trade away
JoeBrady
I don’t think it is always about the price tag. That certainly counts, but I think more often, it is if Cleveland thinks they maxed out on a player’s value. Clevinger was good, but his walk rate in his first three years was 3.7/9. It dropped to 2.6, but then popped back to 4.4. At that point, they might’ve figured that his trade potential was higher than his real potential.
Samuel
“They are more like the players that Cleveland would go get – not trade away”
Big whiffa;
Cleveland is a contender now.
You may not know it, but they know it.
fljay73
Back of the rotation pitchers with “upside” & both now are on the other side of 25. If Cleveland wants a top shelf trade package for either of them I would pass. Better off signing some journeyman arms.
RyanD44
Uncle Dan would love to nephew Zach on the north side of the Windy City, but I’d be afraid that Zach would enjoy the nightlife too much in a city like Chicago, New York or LA. Plesac isn’t talented enough to allow him to give you too much of a headache. He’s decent, and could be a #3 or #4 starter, but if he’s causing problems, the risk isn’t worth the reward. If this was Shane Bieber causing these headaches, you’re willing to tolerate much more.
In nurse follars
Lots of interesting comments here but not about baseball. Cleveland needs a solid # 3. The two guys mentioned are 4 or 5. Areas of improvement are catcher, a right hand power bat and a legit #3.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
I would love for the braves to acquire plesac for the number 5 spot if the price is right. I don’t see anyway we can get rid of odorizzi though
holecamels35
I can see these guys filling out the rotation of a low tier team like the Pirates, Reds, or Royals, but can’t imagine a contender trading for either of them. Cleveland is cheap but they know how to get the most out of their pitchers and when to deal them. They just look like 4-5 starters to me with limited upside, and the potential to get crushed with a less than stellar defense behind them.
In nurse follars
They have had major league success and can fill some innings. That alone makes them valuable. It’s not like they are ready to be designated for assignment.
Samuel
The Cleveland organization and Terry Francona have extreme patience with players. When Carlos Carrasco was acquired from the Phillies he was a showboat, hothead, me-first player with great stuff that wouldn’t listen to anybody. They worked with him. He did a 180 and became a dependable pitcher and great teammate.
It appears with these 2 players that it’s not so much their approach to their profession as it is that they oftentimes suck when going into a game. What’s left is possibly mop work, but Cleveland has so many young pitching prospects that they’d rather give those innings to them.
The Guardians are now contenders and will be for around the next 5 years. They cannot afford to put starting pitchers out that are unprepared to pitch that day. holecamels35 is correct – a rebuilding team has the capacity to try to work with them as Cleveland did years ago with Corrasco.
CKinSTL
I do not expect Plesac to be with Cleveland in 2023. As for Civale, he is probably staying put to start the year – unless they can find a sensible rotation upgrade. Morris, Curry, or Pilkington would seemingly have the inside track on a 5th spot to start the year.. maybe they give Eli Morgan and/or Sam Hentges a shot. I don’t expect Gaddis to be around. I think there are some other rule 5-eligible arms they prefer over Gaddis.
At some point during the year, maybe we see some of the big guys.. Williams, Espino, Bibee, Burns, Allen. They might deal from some of that depth before the season starts though.
Samuel
CKinSTL;
I look for Cleveland to trade for an experienced starting pitcher.
They have an abundance of young SS’s and OF’s.
Orioles2024
That’s not really Cleveland’s style. I’d expect they’d reevaluate at the deadline if they felt like they needed one & only pay a fraction of the salary.
I think they need another bat. Certainly have the ammo to get there.
CKinSTL
I agree that Cleveland will be on the lookout of an established arm. Again, it will need to be sensible.. they aren’t going out and signing deGrom but an established guy with durability and the stuff as a solid 3-guy is my guess. If they are going to splurge, it will be on a catcher or 1B/DH-type.
If they can’t find someone at a reasonable price, I think they are comfortable trotting Civale out there. But they got some guys to trade and money to spend..l so I bet they are able to find a match.
norcalguardiansfan
Ya, I think they’ll keep Civale and add Morris to the rotation. Whichever of Pilkington and Curry who is performing better will be ready to step in when they finally jettison Civale. (Assuming he does not pitch well. You never know…he has performed well enough in the past.)
The one area where I disagree is them trading for another starter. Williams and/or Espino (and possibly Allen and/or Bibee) will be ready to step in at some point this year and they need to let them. Why clog up the rotation by trading for someone who isn’t that good when you have a set of possible 1’s or 2’s waiting to come in?
CKinSTL
Norcal – Normally, I would agree. I do not think it will be a top priority but I think they will make a good effort to add a starter because:
1. Quality SP depth was exposed as a weakness for CLE in the playoffs.
2. I imagine they have a general idea that Bieber will be traded soon. Next offseason seems most probable but perhaps sooner if the stars align. It seems unlikely they let a guy like that walk via FA unless there is an injury involved.
norcalguardiansfan
I am hoping (perhaps vainly) that Bieber will sign a contract a little more expensive than Ramirez’s. If he does not, then they will trade him at the deadline if the season goes under, or next winter if they do well in ’23.
If they trade him, then the :24 rotation will look like: McKenzie, Quantrill, Morris, Williams and someone from Curry, Pilkington, Battenfield, Bibee or Espino. They also might add someone, but that is for us to do next winter.
I think Morris is going to turn into a real, major league starter this year, so I don’t see a reason to add a starter.
BTW, I think the thing that really was exposed in the playoffs was our lack of power and sinkhole of a hitter at catcher. Civale clearly didn’t perform well, but I don’t see him as a long term solution, anyway. No need to add someone who gets in the way of Williams, et al.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Excellent piece Mark, encapsulating the I am Butthead moments of one Zach. Given what a live wire his happy go lucky Uncle Dan was, and continues to be on MLB Network, that must be one fun Thanksgiving at Camp Plesac!
jmlang
Sounds like uncle Dan needs to get ahold of the young Plesac and teach him about self control
Avory
Civale was “hit hard” in his lone postseason start?
No he wasn’t…he was hit ONCE.
norcalguardiansfan
And that ball still hasn’t landed.