At the GM Meetings in Las Vegas, Rangers general manager Chris Young recently spoke with the media, including Evan Grant of The Dallas Morning News, and said the club is going to explore all areas of the starting pitching market. Jon Heyman of the New York Post mentions some discussions between the Rangers and Jacob deGrom, while Jon Morosi of MLB Network also mentions deGrom, in addition to Carlos Rodon and Kodai Senga.
It’s hardly a surprise that the rotation will be a focus going forward, given that it was an obvious weakness in 2022. Texas starters posted a collective 4.63 ERA this year, placing them 25th in the majors in that regard. They got some decent work from Jon Gray and a career year from veteran Martin Perez, though Perez has now reached free agency and deprived the already-weak rotation of its strongest performer. There’s reportedly mutual interest in a reunion, with he and the club reportedly discussing multi-year pacts. But nothing has been finalized and he has now officially received a $19.65MM qualifying offer.
The club has already made one move to fortify the starting corps, acquiring Jake Odorizzi from Atlanta yesterday. Odorizzi hasn’t been great over the past three years, but he seems plenty capable of taking the ball and providing some decent innings. He had a 4.21 ERA in 2021 and a 4.40 mark in 2022 but got over 100 innings in each of those seasons and 143 in each year from 2014 to 2019.
If the Rangers and Perez can come to an agreement, he would form a solid three-headed veteran core with Gray and Odorizzi. The rotation would have a solid base but would be lacking a true ace. Perez posted a 2.89 ERA in 2022 but was at 4.38 or above in each of the previous eight seasons. Even if he has unlocked a pitch mix that leads to better results, maintaining a 6.5% HR/FB rate will be tough to do and some regression could still be in the cards. Gray dealt with some injuries this year but still made 24 starts and posted a 3.96 ERA with rate stats fairly close to his career marks. Dane Dunning could also be a factor at the back end of the rotation after he put up a 4.46 ERA over 29 starts this year. His health is a bit uncertain after his season was ended by arthroscopic hip surgery, but he can be an option if he’s healthy.
It seems the Rangers are willing to consider another bold strike to complement that group of serviceable pitchers. Last year, they showed they’re not afraid of such moves, giving Corey Seager $325MM over ten years and Marcus Semien $175MM over seven years. This year, it’s possible the big strike comes for an ace to lead the starting staff. That could come in the form a deal for Rodon, whom the club has already been connected to, with deGrom and Senga also being considered.
deGrom, 35 in June, certainly fits the bill of an ace, as he’s arguably the best pitcher alive when healthy. That health hasn’t always been present, especially lately, with deGrom missing over a year from July of 2021 to August of 2022. However, after his return, he showed that he can still be his dominant self, making 11 starts and throwing 64 1/3 innings. His 3.08 ERA was two full runs above what he did prior to his injury shutdown in 2021, but the peripherals were still very similar. His 42.7% strikeout rate and 3.3% walk rate were both still absurdly good and point to more elite results going forward. Given his health concerns and age, it’s possible he will be looking at short-term offers with his annual salaries. MLBTR’s Top 50 Free Agents list dropped yesterday with a prediction of $135MM over three years, which is $45MM per year.
That would certainly be one way for the club to go. Another would be a more traditional contract of greater length but less money per year. MLBTR projected a higher guarantee for Rodon at $140MM, though over a five-year term that would be significantly less on an annual basis, $28MM per year. Senga will likely require even less, predicted for $75 over five years, or $15MM per season. Of course, that would also come with its own kind of risk, given that Senga’s unproven against MLB hitters and not all NPB aces have found similar success after crossing the Pacific.
When talking about such figures, it’s worth taking a look at the club’s payroll situation. Roster Resource currently pegs the Rangers’ 2023 outlay at $122MM. Last year’s Opening Day figure was $142MM, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts, meaning they’re only about $20MM away. If Perez eventually accepts the QO, they’re suddenly even. However, Young has already spoken about how payroll is going to go up and they have been as high as $165MM in previous seasons. Ultimately, exactly how much they have to spend will play a factor in how they address the rotation. If they have, say, $45MM to work with, putting all those eggs into the deGrom basket would be a huge upgrade but wouldn’t leave anything left to address the outfield or bullpen. Regardless of the final number, it will be interesting to see how it plays out as the club looks to gain some serious ground in a competitive AL West.
smiffyk
Rangers are 100% going over 165 mil before opening day 2023
smiffyk
Rangers are 100% going over 165 mil before opening day
padam
That’s 200% then.
padam
DeGrom’s consideration from leaving the Mets is to be closer to home in Florida. Either he’s signing with the Braves to be closer or the Mets for the money, because Texas won’t outbid the Mets if it’s a competition, nor is Texas closer to being a playoff team or in a division where the champs reside.
stymeedone
Just because NYM can out bid anyone, doesn’t mean they will. They have already paid quite a bit for DeGrom to be on the IL. They may look in other directions.
Yankee Clipper
As Confucius say: Spellcheck twice, post once
slidepiece
LSA Einstein
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Tough division for them to try and go all in right now. Not saying it’s a bad idea, just saying it might be difficult.
iverbure
Exactly which is why signing those contracts they did offseason was a dumb move. You can’t hit shot your way to the top of the division. You can sign the top 5 free agents you still need a solid core
Dorothy_Mantooth
This is why a long term deal for Rodon makes much more sense than a short term deal for deGrom. The Rangers have some young talent ready to come up to the majors but they are probably still a year or two away from fielding a playoff-caliber team. Rodon could help them get to a .500 club, but it will take another year plus for them to put enough pieces together to make a serious run at a playoff spot. Having Rodon for 6 years would allow him, Seager and Semien time to get to where they want to be.
DUDDUS
They have a solid core. Lowe, great year. Seager and semien, should bounce back. Josh Jung, great young hitter. Jonah heim and Mitch gather. Texas record looks so bad because they were the worst team in baseball in 1 run games.
smiffyk
Rangers are 100% spending over 165 mil before opening day
Samuel
smiffyk
So?
When the standings are computed, do they factor in how much money the teams spent on payroll?
Watch in 2 years when those contracts start going bad. Sign enough guys and the law of averages says injuries to old guys happen.
I don’t know when I last saw a contender built by overpaying players in free agency.
Yankee Clipper
You can say that again, again.
Jon M
With the third comment it’s down to 99%.
bravesfan
Come on Braves!!!! Go get him!!!
CardsFan77
Go get who exactly? DeGrom? GO AHEAD BRAVES GO GET HIM!! He will be terribly overpaid and be hurt by june..June… he’s old and injured.. but ya go give him 45 mill a year meanwhile, letting Swanson walk.. the only thing that stopped yiu all from getting to the world series was YOU! All that talent and couldn’t make it so now the fans want to upgrade the players… go sit down
Dorothy_Mantooth
I don’t think there is any other team willing to pay deGrom $45M per year for multiple years other than the Mets. They will end up bidding against themselves and overpay to retain him. If he gets a 3 year deal, he’ll be lucky to pitch the equivalent of 2 full seasons over the life of that deal, so that’s like paying him $67.5M per year for 2 years worth of performance if he actually signs for $45M per year. Personally, I don’t see him getting paid over $40M but even then, that is a huge risk. At least Scherzer has proven he can stay healthy for most of the year; he just breaks down come playoff time.
User 3044878754
Instead of developing their own pitching, the Rangers will another mistake like Corey Kluber
1-LoneStar>2-*
It seems that is the goal with Leiter, Rocker, Porter, Winn, and a long list of others. Thanks to the Rays new president of operations, the franchise was not set up well on a strategic timeline. The best way to bridge the gap between losing 100 games and a staff of good developed pitchers is… free agency. (Kluber was very bad luck, not a mistake).
User 3044878754
Yeah I guess trading away Clase was bad luck?
Or a mistake in management
1-LoneStar>2-*
Lol. Yes trading Clase was probably a bad move. A move that was made a year before Chris Young became the GM. But until Clase becomes a viable starter, he is irrelevant in the point that they should develop their own SPs instead of acquiring them. Kyle Gibson, Mike Minor, Lance Lynn, Martin Perez, John Gray. They’ve done “okay” with the SPs they’ve acquired. They should develop their own, but that takes time. Personally I would rather watch [big free agent signing] than another AA/AAA guy who isn’t ready.
rangersfan77
Straight down the line JD.
davemlaw
Rangers Interested In Top Free Agent Starting Pitchers
In other news, the sun came up today…
sliderwithcheeze
They should just pick up a serviceable arm in the middle or low tier free agent ranks this year and save the splurge on someone from next year’s monster class. Ohtani, Giolito, Nola, Stroman, Yu, Ryu, Severino, and yes even Trevor Bauer may all be available
AshamedMethGoat
In other news, water is wet, the sky blue, and Jim Crane is a clown.
all in the suit that you wear
What did Martin Perez change to greatly improve in 2022? Looks like he cut down on HRs for one thing.
jacl
sign them all. maybe one of them will work out. Im a rangers fan but Texas is where pitching goes to die and never be decent.
Dorothy_Mantooth
The major issue in Texas for pitchers has been the home run ball. Due to the summertime humidity, balls would fly out of the old park in June – September. Now that they have a domed stadium with a slightly larger footprint, the ball should stay in the park more during the summer months when the roof is closed for heat purposes. Couple that with better overall talent and I think Texas can have a middle of the pack starting rotation next year, somewhere in the 12th – 15th range versus a 25th ranking like they had in 2022. I believe the roof really helped Perez cut down on his HRs allowed this past season for sure.
DonOsbourne
I agree Texas has a historical issue with the HR ball. I’m not sure it’s related to humidity. St Louis and Atlanta have humid summers but don’t have a HR problem. Las Vegas and Arizona have no humidity and act as launch pads in the PCL and AFL. There may be another factor in play.
fivepoundbass
Arlington park factor for HR last year was #12, and #22 the two years before that. The new park is not the same as the old one.
stroh
Interested. Signing is another thing. I’m not sure I understand the strategy. Won 60 games in 2021. Spent 0.5 billion on two guys who were 30, and now have albatross contracts for the next 8-10 years. Then won 68 games in 2022. Now want to spend another 0.5 billion to win 76?? A better strategy may be to really build a good ball club – most if it thru the farm and then add big pieces when you are ready. See Astros and also up and coming Mariners.
all in the suit that you wear
“most if it thru the farm and then add big pieces when you are ready” – I agree. Please tell that to impatient Red Sox fans.
Dorothy_Mantooth
@All in the Suit – With the cost of tickets at Fenway being the highest in all of baseball, fans won’t be patient enough to wait for a full rebuild in Boston. Bloom has quietly tried to do this over the past 3 seasons, but he’s been pressured into making some win now moves (like Trevor Story) vs. going the Seattle, Houston, Baltimore rebuild route, so they can continue to sell tickets and try to sell to the fans on they are in a win-now mode. The good news is that Bloom has not traded away any of their farm’s top talent and we are only another year or two away from these kids being ready for the majors. If he can stick to this plan, he’ll probably sign a few veterans this offseason to 1-3 year contracts (like he just did with Kiké) in an attempt to field a playoff-caliber team should everything go right. Only two questions remain:
1) Are these kids (Bello, Mata, Casas, Rafaela, Yorke, etc.) good enough to make the Red Sox annual playoff contenders?
2) Will Bloom last long enough to see his plan come to fruition?
Fans and even some of the ownership group appear to be souring on Bloom these days so he may be forced to go off-plan this offseason just to keep his job. I hope that doesn’t mean they start trading Top 10 prospects just so Bloom can stay employed. That would ruin all momentum built up to this point in time.
JoeBrady
Fans and even some of the ownership group appear to be souring on Bloom
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You have to do what the boss says. But I have never been impressed with the BB IQ of my fellow RS fans. Bloom is never going to care what some of the fans think.
Dorothy_Mantooth
@Joe Brady –
I agree 100% with you, but you know the Boston ownership by now. They are very sensitive to their fanbase and often end up caving to appease their ‘cash cow’. While I’m not overly impressed with Bloom to date, I have wanted Boston to give him a full 5 years to see what he could accomplish. Another last place finish this year will result in a fan revolt and the owners may very well fire Bloom over it even if their best prospects make considerable progress in 2023, not to mention if they let Xander walk and can’t re-sign Raffy too. Fans will call for some heads and Bloom will be the owner’s scapegoat.
1-LoneStar>2-*
Thank God the Astros exists to teach every front office in baseball how it’s done. Not all prospects are ready at the same time. I don’t love everything Chris Young has done, but he thinks outside the box, he aggressive, it seems he has a plan. With a legit ace, and another season for all young guys, there’s definitely enough positive going on that the team should not fold or sit idle. Owner says spend money, GM spends money. It’s coming together.
Samuel
1-LoneStar>2-*;
The Astros are easily the best organization in MLB.
They’ve been contenders for the 8th year in a row, just won a WS, and will be contenders next year.
Bledcam
Can’t tank for years on end like the Astros did anymore.
The Rangers farm system was 5th or 6th best last I checked. We have a lot of expendable money and plenty of pieces to trade. I don’t expect us to be better than the Astros or Mariners next season but we can definitely make a wild card push if we can bring in the right pieces through free agency and trades.
Samuel
“Can’t tank for years on end like the Astros did anymore.”
Bledcam;
The Cubs did that too. Started after the Astros.
How come the Cubs – with the legendary Theo Epstein – have been rebuilding for the last 3-4 years while the Astros keep going deep in the playoffs and just won another WS?
1-LoneStar>2-*
’07-’14 was a long rebuild and they cheated through most if not all of the rebuild and run, so… Cubs are currently on their 2nd consecutive losing season, yet to be seen how long their rebuild will be. Good chance its not 6 more years.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Baltimore is also coming out of a years-long Houston type rebuild and all signs point to it working. So this can still be done; it’s just a matter of ownership being willing to watch revenue drop substantially during the ‘lean’ rebuild years. Not all owners are willing to do this.
Simm
The other option is spending a boat load of money. Of course you have to spend it on the right players or you just be a bad team with a high payroll. If the owners are willing to spend say 230m to 250m then you can build a playoff team around free agents as your core.
You can also build a team making numerous trades. The padres for example really don’t have a core of prospects on the team. They traded most of them away and signed manny to a huge deal. While they are in a position to contend they also now have to carry a payroll over 230m to do so. Of course the padres did go through a long rebuild and built one of the best farms ever. They decided to trade them away to expedite the winning time frame.
There is more then one way to build a team but it usually starts with building a legit farm system to start.
nbresnak
Martin Perez is back with Rangers on whichever contract they decide on.
Carlos Rodon will be not as expensive as deGrom and Texas signs him.
See what happens…
Dustyslambchops23
Maybe not AAV but I can see Rodon getting a longer contract and much higher overall value Vs degrom.
FoxSox
I would hope that every team in the league would fit the bill of this headline.
Samuel
FoxSox;
Can’t.
There are some smart FO’s out there that acquire and develop their own pitchers. Better still, if they’re young and controlled they pitch for less money and don’t get injured as often.
Big whiffa
Rangers should pay senga a fortune with some mutual opt outs. 5/125 and backload it w 1/2 $ last 2 seasons w mutual options. No posting fee, he will be a good draw in Dallas, and fill a need.
Then double down like last year and sign rodon too. That team will compete in the west next season.
Samuel
Big whiffa;
Why stop there?
They should also sign deGrom, Judge, and Trea Turner to play CF for them.
Last year they committed to .5 billion dollars for 2 free agents, and finished 38 games out of 1st place in the AL West. If they sign those 5 guys maybe they can finish 10 games out of 1st place in the AL West in 2023!
Big whiffa
@Sam. U been playing too much mlb the show I think. Real life don’t work like that
Dorothy_Mantooth
@Big Whiffa – Senga won’t require a $25M/yr. deal to sign with a major league team; not even close! Keep in mind that the top salaries in Japan range from $8M-$10M for the very best players. Senga will be thrilled to get a contract in the range of what Suzuki just signed for with the Cubs. Also, the track record of Japanese ‘aces’ making the leap to MLB with similar pitching results is very poor. Senga should be sign-able for $14M-$16M per year over a 4-5 year term. Save the extra money to sign both him and Rodon.
Big whiffa
There’s more money on the FA market then ever before and not enough talent to assume those dollars therefore many FA will be overpaid. Surely a durable SP to who can hit a 100 mph will be one of them. He’s going to get a 100 mil. Might as well give him more than that and make it performance based to secure his services while protecting your investment
Simm
I think Senga is going to cost more then people think. The number of teams looking at him right now is vast.
He is currently viewed as the next best option after defrom, Verlander and rodon. All of which are looking at 27m or more this off season.
Could easily see senga getting 20+ in this market.
Tomas7
The Mets should be doing this as well. Hopefully they are and nothing being said.
TJT88
As a lifelong Met’s fan I’m disgusted deGrom opted out. He wasn’t even fully healthy these last 2 years!!!! You opted out for one reason and that’s even more money that you don’t even need. I’m just disgusted over it.
CleaverGreene
deGrom has that right to opt out; 50/50 he re-signs with the Mets. I Guarantee it’s not for the 50M a year that some Met fans predict.
top jimmy
Translation: Rangers are going to waste a boatload of money for a 2nd straight offseason.