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Gaylord Perry Passes Away

By Darragh McDonald | December 1, 2022 at 9:30am CDT

Hall of Fame pitcher Gaylord Perry has passed away, according to multiple reports. He was 84 years old.

Perry made his MLB debut with the Giants in 1962 and wound up sticking around the majors through 1983, getting into 22 different seasons with eight different ball clubs. Perry gained a reputation around the league for his use of a spitball, leading to frequent suspicion from opposing teams and inspection from umpires.

Regardless, Perry went on to rack up numerous accolades in his career, making the All-Star team in 1966, 1970, 1972, 1974 and 1979. He pitched a no-hitter against the Cardinals in 1968. He lead the league in wins in 1970, 1972 and 1978 and also won the Cy Young in the latter two of those seasons.

In his career, he played for the Giants, Indians, Rangers, Padres, Yankees, Braves, Mariners and Royals. He got into 777 MLB games, tossing over 5,000 innings. He is one of just 24 pitchers in history to crack the 300-win barrier, with his final tally of 314 placing him 17th on the all-time list. He’s also just one of 18 pitchers to strike out more than 3,000 hitters. His 3,534 punchouts are the eight-most in the history of the majors.

Perry wasn’t particularly shy about his use of the spitter, even co-authoring a book on the subject in 1974, while he was still in the midst of his playing career. Despite his open admittance of using the illegal pitch, he was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1991, his third year on the ballot.

MLBTR sends our condolences to his family, friends, loved ones, former teammates and all those mourning him today.

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  1. User 2079935927

    3 years ago

    He was something.

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    • User 3044878754

      3 years ago

      He pitched his best ball with the Indians from 1972-75 winning 70 games with the TRIBE. He was the sole reason to go to a game to watch him pitch.
      My favorite memory was watching a stretch of about 5 straight starts with his infamous “puff ball” in which the resin bag had been loaded with white flour and resin. It was comical watching hitters react to a puff of white coming off his hand after watching the ball come out of his hand when delivering the pitch.
      RIP Gaylord . You made me a fan for life.

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      • kahnkobra

        3 years ago

        a Guardian legend

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      • The Fiend

        3 years ago

        He didn’t even say the name indians. Called them tribe. Take it easy

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        • phenomenalajs

          3 years ago

          He did, then write their nickname in caps, but it really shouldn’t matter. I’m liberal and didn’t take any offense from it, though I’m not Native American. However, it is very hard to constantly be on guard against saying the wrong thing. There are times when it should be very easy (e.g., Ye) but this is not one of them.
          As for Gaylord Perry himself, I remember when I started collecting baseball cards when I was in first or second grade. My mother was breeding parakeets at the time, so we named a pair of them Gaylord and Perry. His spitball was often brought up in conversations about George Brett’s pine tar incident, as in what are the limits to cheating. I think players of any sport will look for an advantage wherever they can but it shouldn’t take away from their overall achievements. Unless it was the only pitch he threw, it shouldn’t take away from his 3,500+ strikeouts. A similar argument could be made for Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds since performance enhancers can increase your pitch and exit velocities but they’re not going to increase your accuracy.

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        • bootsday29

          3 years ago

          A man has passed away. His family is grieving, get over yourself.

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        • allthesingledigitsgone

          3 years ago

          Actually you are wrong. PEDs do improve your “accuracy” (by which
          I assume you mean hand-eye coordination) because they make the muscles which control your eye movements stronger along with other muscles thereby enhancing all types of athletic performances.

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        • phenomenalajs

          3 years ago

          I’m assuming you’re primarily referring to steroids when you say PEDs. Here are a couple links that debate that: syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1308218-peds-wh…
          syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/121713-performa…

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        • Poster formerly known as . . .

          3 years ago

          Steroids improving vision is a myth. They enhance the fast-twitch muscles, allowing hitters to wait longer to see a pitch while still being able to get around on the ball and barrel it up. They don’t do anything to make a hitter’s vision any better, but the split instant longer they can wait on the ball makes a substantial difference.

          McGwire’s vision was improved with lasik surgery.

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      • Poster formerly known as . . .

        3 years ago

        It appears that you wanted to point something out by putting TRIBE in all-caps, OIC, but I’m not sure what that something was. The author of the article above already said he played for the Indians: “In his career, he played for the Giants, Indians, Rangers, Padres, Yankees, Braves, Mariners and Royals.”

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    • Holy Cow!

      3 years ago

      I remember when playing for Cleveland he started a season with double digit wins without a loss. I’ll have to look up which year.

      Honest about cheating and fans appreciated it. Plus the psychological factor it had on batters certainly helped him. There’s probably some YouTube videos of him trying to psych the batter by touching different parts of his uniform before delivering the pitch.

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      • Holy Cow!

        3 years ago

        Actually, he started 1974 15-1 with a 1.31 ERA in 164 innings, 15 complete games in 18 starts. Lost his first game and then ran off a 15 game winning streak. Of his two no decisions during the streak, he pitched 15 innings in one game striking out 14. His streak was broken when he lost a game in the 10th inning.

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        • User 3044878754

          3 years ago

          Charlie Spikes misplayed a ball in the 8th inning in Oakland, otherwise Perry would have made it 16 in a row

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    • Ben10

      3 years ago

      Nice guy. I’ll never forget the time he yanked me by the hand across a table at Spring Training. He wanted a better look at my Seahawks Superbowl replica ring. I told him my wife had gotten it for me as an anniversary present.

      Then he flashed 3 giant pieces of hardware on hands. I do not know what they represented since he never pitched in a World Series.

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      • phenomenalajs

        3 years ago

        He may have gotten rings for his Hall of Fame induction and his Cy Young victories.

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  2. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    3 years ago

    RIP, great man, great baseball player, great pitcher!

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    • Kruk it

      3 years ago

      I still remember him doing aellow Yellow ad in the early 70’s

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  3. For Love of the Game

    3 years ago

    “The Spitter.” I remember him well from when the game was full of such colorful characters! RIP Spitter.

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    • Kruk it

      3 years ago

      Spit, Vaseline, K-YJelly, anything for an edge.

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      • DanielDannyDano

        3 years ago

        KY Jelly was only for Saturday nights.

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      • cash3w

        3 years ago

        This comment reminds me of the Naked Gun movie scene where Drebin was undercover as an MLB umpire at an Angels/Mariners game, where he checks under the pitcher’s hat on the mound and finds a container of gasoline.

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        • cash3w

          3 years ago

          The mobile app is buggy. I meant Vaseline.

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        • cash3w

          3 years ago

          The mobile app is buggy. I meant Vaseline 🙂

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        • Gasu1

          3 years ago

          I hope he wasn’t using his heater that night.

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    • Bright Side

      3 years ago

      An ironic memorial would be to spit on his grave.

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  4. dvmin98

    3 years ago

    He was one of kind. He will be missed!

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  5. sascoach2003

    3 years ago

    A true legend. RIP.

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  6. hiflew

    3 years ago

    His peak was before my time, but I did catch the end of his career. His career was just so odd. He was a HOF pitcher, but also a journeyman, And that was in the days before players changed teams about as often as they changed socks. RIP

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    • Blue Baron

      3 years ago

      Actually, he played through 1983, a good eight years into the era of free agency, so players changing teams wasn’t so uncommon.

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      • hiflew

        3 years ago

        Thank you for the correction that I already knew. Always a classy thing to do when one is offering condolences.

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        • Oddvark

          3 years ago

          Now this is a lesson in classy replies!

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        • Manfred Rob's Earth Band

          3 years ago

          Grow some thinner skin

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        • Blue Baron

          3 years ago

          @hiflew: Facts are facts, and they’re always classy. This is a discussion thread, not a funeral home or obituary site.

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        • hiflew

          3 years ago

          Well the FACT is that there were far more players that stayed in the same uniform in 1983 than in 2022. Yes, there was some movement, but it was far less. So the correction was unnecessary because the original comment was not incorrect.

          A funeral home or an obituary site? Are those really the only places you think you should be classy? Oh well, have a good night.

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        • Blue Baron

          3 years ago

          No, but I disagree about my comment on your misapprehension being other than classy. Try to be a little less pompous and judgmental.

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        • Gasu1

          3 years ago

          I had always thought condolences had to be offered to someone, like a surviving family member.

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    • southi

      3 years ago

      I only got to watch him in a few live games while he was past his peak, but he was certainly a great pitcher and quite a character as well.

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    • Sunday Lasagna

      3 years ago

      @hiflew Gaylord spent 14 years in the Giants organization, touching the majors in 10 of them from age 19-32. 3 1/2 seasons with the Indians, 2 1/2 with the Rangers and 2 with the Padres took him to age 40. Maybe that’s a journeyman, I don’t think so. Those 3 moves were trades, the Giants thought they were buying low on a guy 4 years younger getting McDowell but he flamed out, the Rangers were ‘going for it’ as were the Padres. Yes, after age 40 Gaylord played for four more teams, in that period he was a journeyman, but I wouldn’t call him a journeyman for his career.

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      • hiflew

        3 years ago

        His first five moves were trades. That is what is really the most puzzling to me. I wasn’t trying to denigrate his career, I was just trying to figure out why so many trams wanted to trade him while he was mostly effective.

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  7. jorge78

    3 years ago

    RIP Gaylord…..

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  8. BucksPackersBrewersWow!

    3 years ago

    Great pitcher but what a unique personality! Looked like the guy just loved to play baseball.

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  9. Codeeg

    3 years ago

    Damn.

    I’m 31 and never got to witness him pitch, but I can appreciate greatness. Fun fact in 1974 in Cleveland Gaylord finally paired with his Cy young brother and they went to combine for 38 wins.
    Their catcher that year was Dave Duncan.

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  10. Balk

    3 years ago

    Oh man, he was a favorite of mine! Rest easy Perry. Condolences to his family.

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  11. toycannon

    3 years ago

    I spent a day with him assisting him at an autograph table at a Seattle Sports Card show back in 1982. He was very nice, down to earth and friendly. No prima dona attitude at all. RIP Ancient Mariner.

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  12. mils100

    3 years ago

    It’s hard to wrap your head around all the innings these guys threw. 5350! 300 Complete Games!

    For me personally, Gaylord Perry is most known for a filing board, a spitter and cheating. Of course, he did a little and probably more when he was at the end of his career. You don’t have a HOF career throwing junk.

    I hope a guy like this is remembered for being a great pitcher and not for the other stuff – not like half the league wasn’t using sticky stuff last year.

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    • Lucky Strike

      3 years ago

      Joe Niekro dropped the file when he was with the Twins.

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    • GarryHarris

      3 years ago

      Gaylord Perry wiped his fingers and thumb on his forehead and bill of his hat. The file was Joe Niekro.

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      • mils100

        3 years ago

        Good catch. Funny looking at video how him and Niekro looked 65 years old at the end of their careers but were still getting guys out.

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        • GarryHarris

          3 years ago

          529 W Gaylord and Jim Perry
          539 W Phil and Joe Niekro

          Retirement Age:
          48 P Niekro
          45 G Perry
          43 J Niekro
          40 J Perry

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      • GarryHarris

        3 years ago

        Watch the 1974 All Star Game on YouTube

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  13. Lucky Strike

    3 years ago

    3.11 career ERA, 314-265 and 303 complete games.

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    • sufferforsnakes

      3 years ago

      303 complete games is insane.

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      • Lucky Strike

        3 years ago

        Insane but only like 24th all-time. Twins starters go 18 outs. Yuck.

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    • Yankee Clipper

      3 years ago

      Although I never witnessed him play because he pitched before I was alive, I do have some of his baseball cards.

      I never realized he had played for eight different teams. Thats pretty amazing for a HOFer. I do wonder how many HOF pitchers have played for that many different teams or even close to that? What an impressive career.

      Safe to say we will never see 300 complete game again though.

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      • etex211

        3 years ago

        Clipper, he became a bit of a nomad late in his career. The Rangers shipped him off to the Padres after the ’77 season. He proceeded to win the NL Cy Young for the Padres in ’78, at the age of 39.

        He was the first player in the history of baseball to win the Cy Young in both leagues.

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      • King Floch

        3 years ago

        Jim Thome played for 6 teams, but also had multiple stints with a couple.

        It’s still weird to me that he closed out his career as an Oriole. I am a lifelong Orioles fan and was well into my 20s when he played for us during one of the most memorable seasons in my lifetime (2012), and even I tend to forget that lol.

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        • User 3044878754

          3 years ago

          Has nothing to do with Gaylord

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      • MasterShake

        3 years ago

        Maddux played for 4, it’s not 8 but halfway there.

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      • SocoComfort

        3 years ago

        Dan Brouthers Played for 11 teams. Ricky Henderson and Goose Gossage played for 9 teams.
        baseballhall.org/discover-more/stories/hall-of-fam…

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        • Yankee Clipper

          3 years ago

          Ah, the Goose! Good call! Thanks for the link, man, that’s interesting.

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  14. HalosHeavenJJ

    3 years ago

    RIP.

    He’d sign autographs at Spring Training sometimes. I spent a few minutes talking with him and George Foster a couple of years back. He was funny.

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    • snowyphile1

      3 years ago

      Me too.

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  15. HardensBeardHasFleas

    3 years ago

    His brother Jim was a decent pitcher also.

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    • Hubert

      3 years ago

      Gaylord and Jim best brother combo among MLB pitchers all time, just edging out the Niekro boys?

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      • Lucky Strike

        3 years ago

        Contemps of Paul and Rick Reuschel who looked like Foghorn Leghorn.

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    • LLGiants64

      3 years ago

      A decent pitcher? 215 wins in a long career.

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      • Baseball Babe

        3 years ago

        We’re they the winningest brother tandem or was it the Niekro brothers?

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    • bootsday29

      3 years ago

      He was more than a decent pitcher

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  16. themed

    3 years ago

    RIP Gaylord A great one when they played real baseball the way it was meant to be played!

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  17. Ron Hayes

    3 years ago

    I think his hall of fame jacket had all of the teams he played for on it, not just one. Looking at those numbers, he was elite.

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  18. Jake1972

    3 years ago

    RIP and he was Hall worthy.

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  19. Codeeg

    3 years ago

    This dude hit a home the same day as the moon landing.
    His brother won a cy young, they teamed in 74 and won a combine 38 games. Their catcher that year Dave Duncan.

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  20. steveb-2

    3 years ago

    RIP to a great pitcher.
    But he used to drive my favorite ballplayer -Bobby Murcer- crazy.

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  21. fre5hwind

    3 years ago

    I salute

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  22. unglar

    3 years ago

    Amazing pitcher, not from my time but what a career. Unbelievable he only saw 1 postseason… RIP

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  23. alumofuf

    3 years ago

    I know the man just passed away, but someone said he was elite. I remember differently about him. I remember he stayed around way too long just to get the 300 wins. His loses of 265 is not hall of fame numbers. I even remember him getting kicked out of a game for using a substance hidden on his belt behind his back. His 300 wins I think is the only reason he is in the hall. I pray for his friends and family during his passing but, I would not have voted him into the hall if I had a vote.

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    • talking baseball

      3 years ago

      Really, today of all days. Have some class. Gaylord was a classy man. That’s more than I can say about you.

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      • EBJ

        3 years ago

        He won’t be able to comment about it tomorrow because it is highly unlikely there will ever be another item about Perry on this site. Poster had legit points to make and his post was made with tact and intelligence.

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    • Luke Strong

      3 years ago

      Every time someone rises up in this world, there’s always some jealous little man who wants to knock him down a peg.

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    • meckert

      3 years ago

      Fortunately you don’t have a vote.

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    • Steve Lawrence

      3 years ago

      Nolan Ryan had more losses, a higher lifetime ERA and higher lifetime WHIP. So does Ryan belong in the HOF?

      Perry definitely belongs imho

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    • Pangolin

      3 years ago

      The man had 90 WAR in his career. He’s a slam dunk Hall of Famer. He was the definition of an elite pitcher.

      This is why they don’t give random uninformed fans a HOF vote.

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    • etex211

      3 years ago

      He had 265 losses because he pitched for a lot of really crappy teams.

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    • Manfred Rob's Earth Band

      3 years ago

      Good thing you didn’t have a vote

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    • C Yards Jeff

      3 years ago

      @alumofuf: appreciate your respectful candor. 70 plus posts; all positive. Yours I didn’t see as positive or negative; just an honest assessment of how you saw GPs career.

      I followed the MLB back then. Me too. I didn’t see him as an elite pitcher either. Guys like Gibson, Koufax, Palmer and Seaver we’re the elite types.
      Gaylord was entertaining. Speaking of candor. He openly admitted to doctoring balls. Cool. Back then doing such an activity was known as “gamesmanship” or “gaining an edge” or “winning at all costs”. Today you are labeled a “cheater”. Wonder if the HoF voters of today would have voted him in?

      Gaylord. Thank you for the memories. RIP.

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    • Spirit79

      3 years ago

      I saw him pitch from 1974 on.. His 1974 and 1978 seasons alone made him elite. Also look at what he did in 1982 with a truly terrible Seattle team,. Totally different pitching style, but I’d compare him to a Greinke today in terms of longevity and ability to adapt.

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    • Sunday Lasagna

      3 years ago

      @alumofuf “way too long”? At age 39 he posted a 2.73 ERA and 121 ERA+ over 260 innings winning a CY Young, at 40 a 3.06 ERA and 115 ERA+ over 232 innings, at 41 a 3.68 ERA and a 106 ERA+ over 205 innings. At that point he was still an above average starter who had 289 wins in his career. At age 42 he had his first “sub-average” year with a 3.94 ERA and 91 ERA plus and ended the year with 297 wins. At 43 he won his 300th. This man was a legend and a definite hall of famer. Rest In Peace Gaylord.

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    • Jake1972

      3 years ago

      He also had over 3k strikeouts along with the 300 wins, so yeah he deserves being there.

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    • Ron Hayes

      3 years ago

      I said he was elite, because he was over his career! The Gaylord started 777 and completed 303 games! 53 of those complete games were shutouts. Threw 5350 innings with a career ERA of 3.11! That’s a lot of games to played to get to 265 loses. Also as noted by someone else,was of all the years he played he only made one postseason. Thats a lot of bad teams he was on to get to 314 wins. I spit ball on this nonsense of not being elite.

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      • Jake1972

        3 years ago

        Take a step back and understand many are seeing Perry career in today standards and not when he pitched.

        Those that say they wouldn’t have voted for Perry then would have to say they would have not voted for Cy Young or Nolan Ryan either but you know they would twist and turn to justify their vote for Ryan and Young while denying Perry.

        Did Perry Cheat?

        Yes, but he never denied it either.

        Perry was a HOF from his Stats and today pitchers couldn’t even do what he did!

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  24. raulp

    3 years ago

    I remember him from his time with the Rangers when I was just starting to follow baseball, very intimidating pitcher, RIP.

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  25. Champs64

    3 years ago

    Gaylord Perry no hit the Cardinals and Bob Gibson that day, as Gibby only allowed one run on four hits. Quite the masterpiece by two great pitchers. And ironically the Cardinals no hit the Giants the very next day achieved by Ray Washburn. Rest in peace Mr. Perry. My sympathies to the Perry family.

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    • JLED

      3 years ago

      Yep, Gaylord no-hit Bob Gibson and the Cardinals on the day I was born. Being from North Carolina as well, I always admired his success and HOF career.. He’s certainly remembered as one of our (NC) most successful athletes. Catfish Hunter too.

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  26. User 3044878754

    3 years ago

    While his career became synonymous with the spit ball, his most creative endeavor may have been the forgotten “puff ball.”

    The trick there was to coat the baseball in rosin, so that when he released it there would be a cloud of smoke (or puff) exploding out of his hand. That creation would also get banned by Major League Baseball under rule 8.02 which prohibits any player from coating the ball in rosin.

    RIP Gaylord
    You made baseball fun to watch

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  27. etex211

    3 years ago

    My all-time favorite Ranger. That’s his pic there beside my posts.

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  28. sergefunction

    3 years ago

    His personality was unique, terrific, and definitely one of a kind in the business of baseball.

    Sad news indeed.

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  29. stroh

    3 years ago

    What a great pitcher. In today’s game he would not only be accused of cheating ( which he did) but subject to hate and vitriol for outsmarting the competition. His sputter was nasty. RIP Gaylord.

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  30. brettd25

    3 years ago

    He started the first MLB game I ever attended in KC, beat Oil Can Boyd 1-0 in August of 1983. Five HOF’ers in that game(Perry, Brett, Rice, Boggs, Yaz). Got his autograph on a ticket from his 300th victory at a card show a few years later. Definitely a character, he was great for baseball.

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  31. BobbyAyala94

    3 years ago

    His autobiography, “Me and the Spitter” is one of the funniest books I’ve ever read.

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    • Baseball Babe

      3 years ago

      Yes! Right up there with Ball Four for illumination too.

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  32. all in the suit that you wear

    3 years ago

    RIP

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  33. Jplane

    3 years ago

    RIP Gaylord Perry …. Along with the Dbacks trading Scherzer, the Giants trading away Perry before hitting his best years was one of the worst pitching trades ever!

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  34. underwaterskydiver

    3 years ago

    He had a great career & a sensational pitcher!
    Even though the spitball was an illegal pitch in MLB, I respect the fact he didn’t hide it, especially in the peak of his outstanding career.

    Not a whole lot of people don’t know, during the infamous ‘pine tar’ game, Gaylord was the player who took Brett’s bat while the ruckus was going on!! The man had balls!!!

    RIP Gaylord. You were never boring, that’s for sure!

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  35. soxwin1

    3 years ago

    It seems odd, HOF 2 Cy Youngs, yet in 22 seasons only made 5 all star teams.

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    • Holy Cow!

      3 years ago

      Your won loss record was a big factor in getting selected back then.

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    • RockinRobin

      3 years ago

      From 1966 to 1974 he could have gone to more than the four he did. He had great numbers.

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  36. TJT88

    3 years ago

    2 CY Young’s and over 300 wins…I think that says it all. RIP Mr. Perry.

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  37. whyhayzee

    3 years ago

    Can you imagine a rotation of the Perry brothers and the Niekro brothers? Holy cow, hitters would need therapy after a four game series. Sad day.

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  38. yewed

    3 years ago

    One of the great players and characters of the game. He had stories for days.

    Favorite scene with him is when he struck out Reggie Jackson.

    He also had a role in the pine tar bat game and got ejected for trying to hide the bat!

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  39. ArianaGrandSlam

    3 years ago

    Seriously can someone explain why these legends from the past used to throw 300 innings a year and not have TJ?

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    • whyhayzee

      3 years ago

      A few reasons. First, they didn’t try to max out their velocity. They relied more on their control. They used their fastball as their primary pitch but always had secondary pitches, and usually one of those secondary pitches was really good. They started every game on the theory that they would complete it as well. There were four man rotations so they might start 40 games instead of 30. They threw on their middle off day. There were less teams, so less travel, usually four game series in one ballpark. You often matched up with pitchers in the same rotation spot. That tended to make games fairly balanced. Bullpens had closers throwing multiple innings so the next game you better finish what you start. The games were much shorter so you weren’t out there for 3 hours trying to go 9, a well pitched game was over in 2:15 or so, under 2:30 for sure. There’s lots more than that but that’s what I can think of quickly.

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    • weaselpuppy

      3 years ago

      MLB/baseball seems to have found the upper limit that a human’s ligaments can handle regarding stress/torque/power/repetition over a period of 10-20 years starting around middle school and escalating.

      Players could conceivably back it down, reduce weight training etc whatever the contributing factors are and go back to having at least 3 guys throw 200 to 270 innings per staff w/o the high rate of injury we see today that happened as fairly routine in the 80s- early 2000s.

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    • CrikesAlready

      3 years ago

      I think it was Tom House (the guy that caught Hank Aaron’s 715th homer) who made the comment that travel ball has done a lot of damage. The concept being that most of the country went to football and basketball during the fall and winter, using different muscles and building different strengths.

      Athletes were more rounded. Now it’s 100% baseball or 100% football. Those ancillary skills and the associated development both physically and mentally are being lost.

      I think Tom House uses throwing a football as part of his pitching training and conditioning program.

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      • etex211

        3 years ago

        They threw footballs when House was pitching coach for the Rangers.

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        • whyhayzee

          3 years ago

          I used a lot of what Tom House developed. I started throwing the football in February and March, coinciding with Spring Training, then moved to the baseball in April for our practices. Our season started in May and went through August with playoffs. We played 3 or 4 games a week. I was a spot starter and reliever, not in the rotation. So I had to always be ready. I would long toss with the outfielders before every game. Then get some work in on the side if I wasn’t pitching. I pitched until I was in my early 40’s, mostly college and twenty-something players in my league. This was in the 90’s. Nobody was worried about trying to throw harder. It was about location and movement. Velocity needs to stay third, but it has moved up to first.

          And the year round play of any sport is just awful! I was always in shape (I have run 23+ marathons), but I mixed it up as much as possible growing up. Soccer, basketball, football, bowling, baseball, golf, running, biking, swimming, hockey, all of these things for FUN. If it’s not fun, what’s the point?

          I basically think parents need to butt out of their kid’s lives and let them play and find out what is fun for them. It’s just messed up now.

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        • tstats

          3 years ago

          “If it’s not fun, what’s the point?” Whyhayzee, that may be the wisest thing ever said on this site. So many kids now are pushed to the limits by their parents athletically and academically that life isn’t fun and playing sports isn’t fun. It has become a business for parents. I swam for 10 years until I graduated highschool last year and the last year and a half of that was pure hell dealing with not having fun. Parents who read this, encourage your kids to have fun in the sport and listen if they say they are not. Kids don’t be afraid to speak up if you are not having fun in a sport.

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    • yewed

      3 years ago

      I’m sure there’s not just one reason but for it’s about how they train. Pitchers now over train (not in a good way) on some things and under train on others. So many advancements and data and equipment. New doesn’t always mean better.

      I think of it like “old man strength”.. to an extent. A lot of pitchers now are ripped and may look great but that doesn’t do anything for being able to throw 130 pitches a game. Back then players were in shape but didn’t focus on all the other stuff. They focused on building arm strength.

      Since it’s not expected for pitchers to complete a game now, they aren’t trained to do so.

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      • etex211

        3 years ago

        Nolan Ryan used to ride his exercise bike in the clubhouse after every game. He even did it after he pitched his no-hitters, after all the reporters got their stories and left the clubhouse.

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  40. Hawktattoo

    3 years ago

    RIP Gaylord. His 1982 season in Seattle was a great year for Seattle baseball. Helped the Mariners to almost a winning season in only teams 6th season. Went 10 and 12 on a month to month contract. He won game 300 also that year. Great memories of Seattle baseball.

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  41. el padré

    3 years ago

    Missed opportunity: the heading should’ve been “Gaylord Perry Slips Away”

    What a fantastic guy! Met him a couple of times – he was fun to talk to and very friendly. His numbers are phenomenal and waaay undervalued. RIP

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  42. themed

    3 years ago

    A great player and played when the game was real baseball.

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  43. Rsox

    3 years ago

    R.I.P. Gaylord Perry.

    I never got to watch him play but heard the stories about the “puff” ball and the splitter. I remember seeing him in an legends/celebrity softball game before an All Star Game one year and he came out wearing a white jersey with all of the team’s he played for names on it (hard to believe at one time 8 was the record)

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  44. mlbtrsks

    3 years ago

    St Peter will probably check his hat band before entry.

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  45. davemlaw

    3 years ago

    As a Giant fan I never understood why SF would let this guy walk. He won the Cy Young for Cleveland in 72, his first year away from the Giants and also what would be SF’s last visit to the playoffs until 1987. If anyone knows the story please fill me in, I wasn’t alive when that took place.
    I met him at a car show in Oakland. Really funny guy! And he would show you how he would doctor up the ball. No shame whatsoever.
    RIP Gaylord, you were one of a kind.

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    • gilgunderson

      3 years ago

      The Giants made a lot of horrible personnel decisions from the mid-60s through the mid-70s. Cepeda, Perry, McCovey, and Marichal were all traded to cut costs. They developed George Foster, Garry Maddox, Gary Matthews, and Dave Kingman, and let them all go. Kind of mind-boggling.

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  46. Viveleempireevil

    3 years ago

    Spit balled his way to fame and glory…bless him. RIP.

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  47. Jaysfan1981

    3 years ago

    RIP. Condolences to the family

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  48. RockinRobin

    3 years ago

    ” wound up sticking around the majors through 1983″ Sticking around? Kind of an odd way to say he played for 22 seasons.

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  49. Bright Side

    3 years ago

    Arguably the worst trade the Giants ever made. Getting fleeced by the Indians no less.

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    • User 3044878754

      3 years ago

      Yep and one good thing happened … Sam McDowell, the guy the Giants traded for, fought his alcohol demons and found sobriety

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      • Bright Side

        3 years ago

        A long time ago, I read from an ex teammate of Sam’s claimed that “we all thought Sam was dumb. He talked, dumb, acted dumb, and was overall, clueless. Turned out we were all wrong. He wasn’t dumb. He was never sober”.

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  50. DS1

    3 years ago

    I recall watching an Old Timers game a few years after Gaylord retired. He carried a bucket full of water out to the mound with him, and would dunk the ball into the bucket before every pitch.

    As I recall, the home plate umpire played along with him. Seriously funny stuff.

    RIP.

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  51. htbnm57

    3 years ago

    My Dad was a Giants fan so I followed his career fairly closely. Truly the game was a lot different then as he had over 300 complete games in his career. He was not only excellent but incredibly durable. RIP

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  52. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    3 years ago

    Rest in Paradise

    I was reading about him on Wikipedia. I had no idea he went through so much hardship. His wife was Killed by someone who ran a stop sign. He lost his only son to Leukemia. He’s now survived by his 3 daughters. Not sure if he had grand kids.

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  53. BobGibsonFan

    3 years ago

    His brother Jim Perry won a CY in 1970.

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  54. MarlinsFanBase

    3 years ago

    He’s bringing that doctored ball to that baseball field in the sky.

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  55. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before starting a Rangers game when he threw a wild one to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big bubble gum bubble on his face with his hand, picked up the ball. But before he could throw it back to Gaylord, the umpire intervened and asked to see it. He saw the mess on the wall and chewed out Gaylord’s butt for a good 2 minutes. That was one time he was caught for doing nothing wrong. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  56. John Bird

    3 years ago

    Saw him pitch back at the ‘Stick. Remember him and Marichal in epic duels with Koufax and Drysdale. Thought the trade was a bad idea at the time.
    There always was talk of him using a spitter and instead of denying it he used the notion to his advantage. Even when he didn’t throw it he would touch an odd place on his body to plant the idea in the hitter’s head.
    Great story about one time when he sent his young daughter over to talk to some sports writers. She said to them, “I know where daddy keeps his stuff”. Sensing a scoop, the writers got excited and asked her where he kept it. With a big grin she replied “In the garage.”
    Remember an old timers game when the uni went full NASCAR…”Pennzoil”, “WD40”, etc, emblazoned all over it.
    Forever Giant RIP

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  57. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before starting a Rangers game when he threw a wild one to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big chewing gum bubble on his face with his hand, picked up the ball. But before he could throw it back to Gaylord, the umpire intervened and asked to see it. He saw the mess on the wall and chewed out Gaylord’s butt for a good 2 minutes. That was one time he was caught for doing nothing wrong. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  58. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before starting a Rangers game when he threw a wild one to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big chewing gum bubble on his face with his hand, picked up the ball. But before he could throw it back to Gaylord, the umpire intervened and asked to see it. He saw the mess on the wall and chewed out Gaylord for a good 2 minutes. That was one time he was caught for doing nothing wrong. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  59. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before starting a Rangers game when he threw a wild one to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big chewing gum bubble on his face with his hand, picked up the ball. But before he could throw it back to Gaylord the umpire intervened and asked to see it. When he saw the mess on it he chewed out Gaylord’s butt for a good 2 minutes. Gaylord went on to pitch a great game. He used the puff ball several times in that game. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  60. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before starting a Rangers game when he threw a wild one to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big chewing gum bubble with his hand, picked up the ball. But before he could throw it back to Gaylord the umpire intervened. When he saw the mess on the ball he chewed out Gaylord’s butt for a good 2 minutes. Gaylord took it in stride and went on to pitch a great game. He used the puff ball several times in that game. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  61. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before starting a Rangers game when he threw a wild one to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big chewing gum bubble with his hand, picked up the ball when the umpire intervened. When he saw the mess on the ball and chewed Gaylord’s butt for a good 2 minutes. Gaylord took it in stride and went on to pitch a great game. He used the puff ball several times in that game. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  62. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before starting a Rangers game when he threw a wild one to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big chewing gum bubble with his hand, picked up the ball when the umpire intervened. He saw the mess on it and almost threw Gaylord out of the game. Gaylord took it in stride and went on to pitch one hell of a game. That was the first time I saw him use the puff ball. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  63. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before starting a Rangers game when he threw a wild one to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big chewing gum bubble with his hand, picked up the ball when the umpire intervened. He saw the mess on the ball and almost threw Gaylord out of the game before it even started. Gaylord took it in stride and went on to pitch one hell of a game. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  64. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before a Rangers game when he threw a wild one to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big chewing gum bubble with his hand, picked up the ball and the umpire asked to see it. He saw the mess on the ball and almost threw Gaylord out of the game before it even started. Gaylord took it in stride and went on to pitch one hell of a game. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  65. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before a Rangers game when he threw a wild pitch to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big chewing gum bubble with his hand, picked up the ball when the umpire asked to see it. He saw the mess on the ball and almost threw Gaylord out of the game before it even started. Gaylord took it in stride and went on to pitch one hell of a game. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  66. Gentlemanbob

    3 years ago

    I was watching Gaylord warm up just before a Rangers game when he threw a wild one to the screen. The ball boy, who had just broken a big chewing gum bubble with his hand, picked up the ball when the umpire asked to see it. He saw the mess on the ball and almost threw Gaylord out of the game before it even started. Gaylord took it in stride and went on to pitch one hell of a game. Great baseball memories. RIP big guy! You had more fans than you know.

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  67. Phanatic420

    3 years ago

    Original spit baller good old Gaylord or GLP as we use to call him. Is it too soon for me to try and sell his graded EXC PSA 6 rookie card? RIP GAYLORD!

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  68. User 3617846742

    3 years ago

    I saw him pitch for the Giants in the 60’s. I wished the Giants had never traded him for Sudden Sam McDowell and Frank Duffy. He was fun to watch at wide opened Candlestick Park in those days.

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  69. GarryHarris

    3 years ago

    I haven’t got around to creating a Giant’s retrospective team yet. They take a great deal of research. The early 1970s Giants front office ruined the Giants. Just off the top of my head, they traded away George Foster, Dave Kingman, Bobby Bonds, Garry Maddox, Gary Mathew’s, Gaylord Perry, Tito Fuentes, Chris Speier, Ken Henderson, Steve Stone, Elias Sosa… probably more I can’t remember.

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