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Looking At The Yankees’ Rotation Depth

By Darragh McDonald | January 24, 2023 at 9:44pm CDT

Up until a couple of weeks ago, the Yankees seemed to have an extremely strong group of five starting pitchers. With Gerrit Cole, Carlos Rodon, Luis Severino, Nestor Cortes and Frankie Montas penciled in, the club had arguably the best rotation in the entire league. Unfortunately, the shoulder issues that plagued Montas last year are still lingering and he is going to miss the first month of the season. They still have an excellent front four but will now have to rely on their depth to start the season. Even if Montas is able to return to health and looks like his old self by May, it’s possible that one of the other four will need a breather and there will be continued opportunities for other pitchers. Teams almost never make it through an entire season using just five or six starters, meaning depth is always important.

Who does the club have on hand that could step up to fill in for Montas or any other injury? Let’s take a look at the options.

Domingo Germán

Germán, 30, is probably the most obvious and straightforward solution. He seemed to establish himself as part of the club’s future rotation in 2019 when he tossed 143 innings with a 4.03 ERA, 27.2% strikeout rate, 8.8% walk rate and 38.1% ground ball rate. But in September of that year, he was placed on administrative leave while the league investigated him for domestic violence. He ultimately received an 81-game suspension and flirted with retirement while serving it but ultimately returned.

In 2021, he was able to toss 98 1/3 innings over 18 starts and four relief appearances. He posted a 4.58 ERA while striking out 23.9% of opponents. Last year, shoulder problems sent him to the 60-day injured list in March and he wasn’t reinstated until July. He ultimately made 14 starts and one relief appearance, posting a 3.61 ERA in 72 1/3 innings. His strikeout rate dipped to just 19.5% and opponents hit just .262 on balls in play. That latter number is well below league average but not far off from his career mark of .272. It’s possible that he just has a knack for limiting damage but Statcast data doesn’t support that. He was in the 26th percentile last year in terms of hard hit rate and 25th in average exit velocity, though he was in the 57th for barrel rate. It’s possible that he would struggle to maintain an ERA under 4.00 but he avoids walks and would still be much better than the fifth/sixth starter on most teams.

Clarke Schmidt

Schmidt, 27 next month, was a first round pick of the Yanks in 2017. He pitched well as he moved up the minor league ladder and was considered one of the top 100 prospects in the league by Baseball America in 2020 and 2021. He’s had some brief time in the majors but his overall workload hasn’t been huge over the past couple of years. With the minors being canceled by the pandemic in 2020, he was limited to just 6 1/3 innings of official action in the majors. In 2021, an elbow strain kept him out of action for a while and he was only able to log another 6 1/3 in the bigs along with 38 minor league innings. Last year, he was frequently optioned and recalled, throwing 57 2/3 frames in the majors along with 33 in Triple-A, combining for 90 2/3 on the season.

When healthy enough to take the mound, he’s produced pretty solid results. His 70 1/3 innings at the MLB level have resulted in a 3.71 ERA, 22.5% strikeout rate, 10.7% walk rate and 44.6% ground ball rate. His minor league work has been even better, as he’s posted a 2.71 ERA over 71 innings in the past two years. He struck out out 31% of batters faced and walked 7.1% of them while getting ground balls on about half of balls in play. There are some things to like here but he still has an option whereas Germán doesn’t. Given that fact and his workload concerns, he might get nudged to Triple-A until a need arises.

Deivi García

García, 24 in May, flashed some potential in 2020 when he made six starts with a 4.98 ERA. That number might not jump out, but he was only 21 years old at the time, perhaps pointing to an enticing future with continued development. Unfortunately, that hasn’t come to fruition. In the two subsequent years, he’s only made a couple of big league starts while registering a 6.87 ERA in 154 2/3 minor league innings. He’s still young but he’s now out of options. Given his poor results in recent years, he could be given a long relief role in the bullpen or else designated for assignment.

Luis Gil

Gil, 25 in June, has a 3.78 ERA through his first seven MLB starts but he’s not going to be available for a while. He underwent Tommy John in May of last year and won’t be a realistic candidate until midseason at the earliest. Like García, he’s now out of options and will need to either crack the active roster or else be designated for assignment. He’ll be able to pitch in the minors as part of a rehab assignment once healthy, but it will be decision time once the 30-day rehab period is up.

Randy Vasquez

Vazquez, 24, has spent his entire career with the Yanks thus far, signing with them as an international free agent in 2018. He’s since moved his way up and spent all of last year in Double-A. He made 25 starts at that level, tossing 115 1/3 innings with a 3.90 ERA. He struck out 24.2% of batters faced while walking 8.3% and getting grounders at a 48.3% clip. He was added to the club’s roster in November to prevent him from being selected in the Rule 5 draft. He’s currently considered the club’s #9 prospect at Baseball America but has yet to pitch at the Triple-A level.

Matt Krook

Krook, 28, is a left-hander that was drafted by the Giants but went to the Rays in the Evan Longoria deal. The Yankees grabbed him in the minor league portion of the 2020 Rule 5 draft. He’s since posted some solid results in the upper minors, though the control hasn’t been pinpoint. He spent last year at Triple-A, making 22 starts and seven relief appearances with a 4.09 ERA over 138 2/3 innings. He walked 12.1% of batters faced but struck out 25.7% and got grounders at a 55.7% clip. That was enough for the Yanks to add him to the roster at season’s end to prevent him from reaching minor league free agency.

Jhony Brito

Brito, 25 next month, has spent his entire career in the Yankees’ organization, having been signed by them as an international amateur out of the Dominican Republic. He split last year between Double-A and Triple-A, tossing 112 2/3 innings over 23 starts and three relief appearances. He only struck out 20% of batters faced but kept his walks down to a 7.7% level and got grounders on about half the balls he allowed into play. Like Krook, he was added to the club’s 40-man at the end of the season to prevent him from reaching minor league free agency.

Yoendrys Gomez

Gomez, 23, was an international signee out of Venezuela, agreeing with the Yankees in 2016. He earned his way onto prospect lists over the next few years and got a spot on the 40-man in November of 2020 to protect him from Rule 5 selection. Unfortunately, injuries have limited him over the past couple of seasons. In 2021, he dealt with a shoulder issue and contracted COVID-19, ultimately only making nine starts on the year at Class-A. In 2022, he spent time at various levels and finished the year at Double-A, but was only able to log 47 innings on the year. The results were good, as he posted a 2.49 ERA while striking out 25.7% of batters faced, but it will be hard for him to carry a huge workload after pitching very little in recent years.

Clayton Beeter/Sean Boyle/Mitch Spence/Tanner Tully

None of this group are currently on the 40-man roster, meaning they will face longer odds of contributing this year, though they could always force the club into making room. Beeter is arguably the most exciting of the bunch. Selected 66th overall by the Dodgers in 2020, he was ranked that club’s #12 prospect by Baseball America going into 2022. That was after a 2021 season that saw him post a 3.44 ERA between High-A and Double-A while striking out 36.6% of batters faced. In 2022, his ERA jumped to 5.75 as he walked 14.3% of batters faced, but he was then flipped to the Yankees in the Joey Gallo trade. After the deal, he got his walks down to 10.6% and his ERA to 2.13. He struck out an incredible 37.1% of batters faced on the year between the two teams but only threw 77 innings.

External Addition

If the Yankees feel these depth options aren’t enough, they could always look outside the organization for help. The free agent market still features guys like Michael Wacha, Dylan Bundy and Zack Greinke. In terms of trades, it’s possible the Mariners might be willing to move Marco Gonzales or Chris Flexen. The Brewers are suddenly loaded in rotation options and could theoretically do without Adrian Houser. However, all of those paths come with a complication for the Yankees, who are reportedly leery about crossing the final tier of the competitive balance tax. Roster Resource currently pegs their CBT figure at $292.3MM, just a hair under the final line of $293MM. Making any external addition without making up that difference will be a challenge. Trading the contract of someone like Josh Donaldson or Aaron Hicks would give them some more breathing room but the Yanks haven’t been able to find a deal so far.

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  1. In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani

    2 years ago

    Do they do contingent trades such that a team gets more if a player performs better than if he crashes? It may be a way to ensure a team isn’t selling high and trying to dump damaged goods.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      Like a refund/exchange policy? It’s final sale and every team should do their own due diligence on a player’s medicals. No exceptions including Montas.

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    • CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      The 5th spot in the Yankee rotation will either be German or Schmidt while Montas is hurting, like I said the other day the Yankees starting pitching is not the problem. The Yankees need two lefthanded contact hitters, one with speed that could lead off(Florial )would be fine.

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  2. shanespencer

    2 years ago

    If they are serious about winning they should sign Trevor Bauer. If German is still there, no reason Bauer shouldn’t be.

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    • NWYanksfan

      2 years ago

      Way different. German wasn’t accused of sexual assault

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      • Jaysfan1981

        2 years ago

        Accusations shouldn’t be enough, especially when they were found to be unsubstantiated

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          Unsubstantiated by whom? Prosecutors said not enough to charge and convict. MLB and the arbitrator found enough for a very long suspension.

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        • NWYanksfan

          2 years ago

          Did you see the pictures? Do you want that for your Daughter/Sister? He’s TRASH!!!

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          Well we can’t talk facts or comments will get shut down

          But I’ll bite, unsubstantiated by the same court system that said the accuser was not giving truthful details, the fact she was on social media videos posing when he was sleeping big smile on her face.

          If he did what he was accused of, he’d be in a jail cell.

          To pretend otherwise is wrong, it hurts innocent people accused wrongfully and takes away from real victims who had to endure real atrocities

          As far as MLB, they can institute any policies they desire, and being a private business can do as they please as far as punishment without requiring evidence.

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        • algionfriddo

          2 years ago

          The 8 men banned for life off the 1919 Black Sox were all found not guilty in court. Just sayin’.

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          That’s not true. The player’s union has a huge say in these investigations and arbitration processes.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          @cardsfan. I assume that was directed at my response, can I ask what’s not true about my statement?

          MLBPA can appeal and greive and fight anything MLB says or does regarding the players, sure.

          But it has 0 authority regarding what policies are in place, regardless that its called the “joint” committee. MLB levies the punishments and its more of a morality clause than fact based court proceedings when being “investigated”

          MLB doesn’t want bad press, they need fans paying money and have no choice but to proceed with caution on all issues that have any negative connotation. They will always side with the “majority” even when the majority are wrong.

          It’s no different than the NBA having nights to honor young African American youth who are un alived by police, but after a few days and the truth comes out that the same person honored was trying to perhaps un alive one of the policeman, no apologies are given, no statement is put out, none of the players are held accountable, tweets just dissappear and everyone tries to forget that moment happened.

          Just like everything, if a real atrocity occurred, we would never hear the end of it, real punishments would take place, it would be used as platforms to “change” this or that.

          If Bauer was anyone else, anyone who didn’t voice his opinions of those in charge, if he just kept quiet and played the “game” (the political part) He’d have had his job back 200 games ago. But he’s not, he’s a vocal mouthpiece who says alot of truths that people like Manfred don’t want said out loud. He’s being punished for that……not what he’s perceived to have done

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        • case

          2 years ago

          To confuse “unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt” with “innocence” is beyond stupid. That’s an actual truth.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          @case.

          You’re right, but that’s not what’s being done in this case.

          Full disclosure, a female family member has had an experience that’s in this realm, and I can assure you her Last thought was to get a smiling selfie with her abuser as he slept.

          That alone should tell you how “abused” this woman was, the facts are the facts. And until facts come out showing Bauer is guilty of any of the accusations I’ll happily change my tune and vilify him harder than I defend him.

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        • BobGibsonFan

          2 years ago

          So many upset at how the guy performs in bed… ignoring what he can do on the mound.

          More MLBTR Yankee love… greatest rotation in baseball… LOL
          Rodon picked an excellent time to start more than 30 games in a season and pitch more than 150 innings. Last time Severino started more than 20 games was 2018. Maybe best rotation on paper… Imagine if the Yankees had Scherzer, Verlander and Senga… MLBTR would be talking about that 24/7. I don’t recall anything when Verlander, Scherzer, Price were in the same rotation… crickets. When I asked about it… I got the old tired… “It’s a Trade Rumors site”. Sure it is. What trade rumor have you ever heard on here? Name one.

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        • BobGibsonFan

          2 years ago

          I’m curious why it was a 3 year ban? Was it because his contract was for 3 years? Players can get banned past the length of the contract. It just seems suspicious that he got a ban just long enough to cancel his Dodger deal. The league agreed to it too. It wasn’t reversed until the players union stepped in.

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        • Joe says...

          2 years ago

          Well Bob the worst thing is that they’re forcing you to read it. That must be the case because when people don’t like a website they don’t click on it. I know, it must be all the money they’re charging you.

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        • CaptainJudge99

          2 years ago

          It doesn’t matter German was found not guilty. You got to let it go boss.

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        • thecoffinnail

          2 years ago

          Kobe Bryant did something very similar. Unfortunately in our justice system saying yes to one thing pretty much means you are down for anything. They might take a shot one someone with a public defender but no way do they go to court with anything but a slam dunk. Bauer’s money saved him from prison.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          You’re speaking as if you were part of the prosecution team, and you have evidence that wasn’t made publicly available. Because again from all the public information available, he should not be in jail and his “money” is the only reason he was in trouble.

          If you’re privy to such information, It would be beneficial to the public to have it readily available so people can make informed decisions

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        • BobGibsonFan

          2 years ago

          Well Joe, thanks for the insight. I’m not forced to read it, I read it for the comedic value. Watching all those teams from the toughest division getting swept in the playoffs was great.

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          Kobe had the good sense to pay up and make it go away. Bauer doesn’t have that level of good sense.

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        • luckyh

          2 years ago

          Lol, we know what he did and what he’s into. I have no respect for a team that signs Bauer. He’s a complete tool bag with out any accusations. You want another clubhouse cancer?

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          The same can be said for many players, it’s not like there aren’t players on every team that are “cancerous” you just don’t hear about it.

          There’s kind of a code in locker rooms across all sports

          Not sure why Bauer is the only one being vilified.

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      • shanespencer

        2 years ago

        See Duke Lacrosse.

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    • CardsFan57

      2 years ago

      Why does everyone assume Bauer wants work this year? He gets paid the same either way. Letting things cool down for a year might be a good idea.

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      • gfan

        2 years ago

        Why does everyone assume he’ll be any good?
        Pitch clock, stickum checks, and being off a year will all be a huge factor. Chances of being an ace again are not that great .

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          I’m pretty sure he’d still be an upgrade over White and Kikuchi.

          Jays want to win.

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        • roob

          2 years ago

          Not to mention that he was only an average pitcher before, when he was young.

          His career is over – as it well should be. No team is gonna sign him and lose half their fan base. Only an **s can’t see that.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          MLB better hope he gets another Job, I could certainly see a world where Bauer sues and wins a substantial amount of money, which would probably be the worst case scenario for everyone.

          Because that would mean the status quo can’t continue, MLB wouldn’t be allowed to give different punishments to different people, they could very well get the teams in trouble, lose their exemptions against anti trust laws etc etc etc

          Bauer has made enough money, and has enough support from the other half of the population that he could certainly drag this on in court over a conspiracy to prevent him from gainful employment and probably win.

          All he has to do is point at others who gave actually been convicted, those who had video evidence available, those who have admitted to serious wrong doings, but suffered less of a punishment and are able to continue working in the league. That goes from DV all the way to Astros cheating.

          I don’t see MLB having a leg to stand on of its brought in front of a court.

          Just my personal opinion, I’d like to hear factual arguments from the other side

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        • CaptainJudge99

          2 years ago

          Bauer sounds like the “perfect player” for the Blue Jays then. I truly hope it all works out. Starting over in a new Country might be the best thing in the world for him.

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          So you think a team is somehow financially liable for choosing to not sign a person who would instantly become the face of your franchise after publicly adimitting he literally gets his jollies by hittiing women? Good luck with that lawsuit. Won’t half the jurors be women? It’s a financial decision. Women buy a lot of team merchandise. Who wants to take a chance on burning that down? No one is going to force anyone to take that chance.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          The team and league would be liable if it was found they are conspiring to keep him out of the league.

          Yes I do believe that.

          This is not a case of its better for the greater good.

          This is a dangerous hill to choose, what if tattoos and piercings are next, people willingly torture themselves for art.

          Are we gonna go locking those folks up next? Take away the artists livelihood.

          When does it float over into your speech? People some people despise foul language, will being politically incorrect cost me a job…

          Oh wait!! That’s already reality

          Let’s keep sliding down this slope where you can take millions of dollars away from someone because you don’t like their kink.

          Elon can’t colonize Mars fast enough!!!

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          No one owes anyone millions of dollars just because. Bauer let his private life go public. Very careless of him. He should have been more careful. He’s finished now. The sooner everyone realizes it and moves on, the better. Bonds was still substantially better than most players in the league and couldn’t get a contract. Radioactive players don’t get contracts. Radioactive Hollywood stars don’t get contracts. The moral is to not become radioactive if you want to work in entertainment where image really, really matters.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          You keep moving the goal posts.

          You’re right, no one owes Bauer anything in the future.

          However, that again isn’t what’s being spoken about

          What’s being spoken about is the perceived conspiracy to keep Bauer from ever pitching in MLB again.

          You can make it sound worse than it is “he gets his jollies smacking women” or you can be a civilized adult and call it what it is, 2 consenting adults conducting themselves against societal norms, and against your (and mine frankly) idea of what’s “ok”

          Just because I don’t like it, doesn’t mean I’m going to try to take his rights freedoms and financial abilities away from him.

          Once you start doing that…. expect to be the victim eventually.

          Bonds vs Bauer is Apples and Oranges. Not even a close comparison. Bonds could have gone the nuclear route as well but had way too many skeletons in his closet to want to try.

          Not saying Bauer doesn’t, but Bonds was known to be lying and cheating (anyone with 2 brain cells could see that clearly)

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          I haven’t moved the goal posts at all. I’ve always been talking about damaging a team brand. No one owes a player the ability to damage their brand. It doesn’t matter what I think of it. It doesn’t matter what you think of it. It matters that a team will pay a cost in real dollars if they sign Bauer. You can’t wish that away. You can’t force the team to do it.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          It’s obvious there are teams willing to in your opinion “damage their brand” in all sports and in all walks of life.

          The problem lies when a Commissioner or a CEO prohibits other teams or franchise owners from employing someone (for any reasons)

          Let’s not pretend these owners didn’t make their billions by ripping off everyone around them, their customers, their employees, sometimes their friends and family (see Baltimore) and you think these are the people responsible for upholding the moral fabric of society? And the world is going to look at MLB for guidance?

          No. There will be many teams who want to win, and they full well know Bauer is an upgrade to many many teams and the only reason he wouldn’t be getting employment is in a blackballed scenario.

          We’re adults, let’s call it how it is, the world is corrupt. And it isn’t going to be fixed by keeping Bauer out of MLB.

          Winning a WS is worth hundreds of millions, maybe even billions to these owners, they’ll pay him and look the other way.

          How else do you explain every other athlete except OJ Simpson given another chance somewhere doing something, including playing coaching broadcasting, TV, Radio, Movies , Media , Teaching etc

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          I get it. You are very emotionally invested in this issue. There’s zero evidence of collusion on the part of MLB. There’s every reason to believe the negative impact of this player outweighs the positive impact. At the risk of being blasphemous, I’m going to say that winning isn’t everything to a business like team ownership. Profits are very high on the list as well. This player will hurt the bottom line. It’s pretty obvious to anyone not emotionally attached to the issue. That’s not collusion any more than it was collusion to let Barry Bonds career die on the vine. It’s just business.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          You can insinuate all you want. I’m not invested in this any more than you are

          I’m sorry my beliefs and opinions conflict with yours. I disagree with you, you disagree with me.

          It’s allowed, no need to generalize or covertly try to insult anyone.

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          I’ve tried my best to interact with you on a basis of logic and reason. Sorry if I failed in that effort.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          Logic maybe, reasoning is subjective

          I’m sorry that you couldn’t convince me to agree witn you.

          Just because I don’t agree with you, I’ll still defend both our rights to vocalize our opinions.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          2 years ago

          Would it be a stretch to say Bauer was guilty of hitting , strangling, beating a women during sex …enough so that she made a complaint about it. He was never legally convicted because the woman was confused about whether she liked it or not. I feel sorry for her, she sounded very adrift at the time and was just gyrating thru life sleeping with abusive major league ballplayers (Hi, Clevinger.) A recipe for disaster.

          So Trevor Bauer will not be signed by any club although no laws were broken. Why? Because Bauer came out and said he had consensual sex with this woman, that she liked it, and asked for more. It is my impression this woman was immature and in a vulnerable state psychologically and instead of Bauer being a gentleman and calling this girl an Uber, he gave her what she wanted because she was an easy mark. And he has a track record of this with women in Ohio as well. So taking advantage of vulnerable women in this manner will cause him to be 86-ed out of MLB and probably even the Independent League & Mexican League and good riddance, goodbye, hopefully never hear the dumb-a$$ name Trevor Bauer ever again.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          No, it would not be fair to say that. Because that is not what occurred according to publicly available facts.

          That is the interpretation that alot of people are running with, why? I don’t know.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          2 years ago

          I’ll do more research, thank you.

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        • Jaysfan1981

          2 years ago

          Fair, I should probably do more research as well, even tho I’ve been accused of being so emotionally invested in this, I’ve done only the basic of research plus watched one very viral video that was connected to the incident in question and based on the things I believe to be true and the experiences those close to me have had. I’ve concluded she falsely accused him.

          This thread is gonna die soon or get closed, but I was hoping through this someone would have done more research and pointed to truths that could actually have him imprisoned, not point to truths that are in a Grey area at best, a he said she said so to speak.

          She’s tarnished her side with her own doings.

          Bauer has done himself little favors due to his prior conduct and the things he’s said in the past.

          Do I like Bauer, No. I personally think he’s a complete idiot. But an innocent of the crimes accused idiot who would fit nicely as a #5 starter on another of teams

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          2 years ago

          It’s entirely plausible this gal was totally calculating and going after Bauer for a large payoff of some kind. Totally setting him up. But he still didn’t have to bite. He should have recognized she was a lost soul and not just used her.

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        • luckyh

          2 years ago

          Civil court requires a lower standard of proof, Bauer will be fully exposed for what he is. The standard of conduct will prevail, he would not.

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      • case

        2 years ago

        It’s not gonna cool down after a year. Either a scumbag organization like the Astros signs him or his career is over.

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        • Sunday Lasagna

          2 years ago

          @case Because Beltran had them beating trash cans to relay pitch signs 6 years ago they are a scumbag organization? Or because they have consistently been better than the Yankees for the past six years they are a scumbag organization? Which one?

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        • luckyh

          2 years ago

          Scumbag org Yanks signed some dubious guys as well. Cheaters and beaters aplenty in the Bronx. Oh the irony of that comment.

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        • case

          2 years ago

          The one where they trade for Osuna and their front office harasses female reporters about it. Or I guess the one where their fans don’t even care.

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    • smd

      2 years ago

      Neither one should be there.

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    • Bright Side

      2 years ago

      If the Yankees were serious about winning, they wouldn’t return the same lineup of 2022.

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    • CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      Pass on Bauer. The Blue Jays, Rays, or the Red Sox could sign him. Trevor Bauer is definitely not a need for the Yankees. I’m definitely fine with him going somewhere else though.

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      • case

        2 years ago

        None of those organizations are scummy enough to sign him, Blue Jays traded Osuna at his peak cause of domestic violence. My guess is he’s going somewhere in Middle America.

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  3. CardsFan57

    2 years ago

    The Yankees are solid on pitching unless something very unexpected happens.

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  4. Yankee Clipper

    2 years ago

    Well, Luis Castillo would’ve been really nice, but they wanted Volpe & Cashman said no. Cashman did offer Jasson Dominguez, however, so I can’t fault him for not offering enough (not that Dominguez is enough, but he didn’t try to offer nobodies).

    Anyway, I really hope Cashman is right with the Volpe evaluation because if he isn’t, the players he’s passed on because of that evaluation would sink his career with most Yankees fans. He has arguably bet several seasons of the team’s success on Volpe (and others) now.

    Nonetheless, I am satisfied that he did actually try to get Castillo with a legitimate offer, albeit clearly not the best offer.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      I’m never high on prospects, Clip, bc the jump from AAA to MLB is greater than that of any level of advancement in the minors. I really do hope that Volpe pans out. The Yankees have taken a pass on a ton of free agent SS talent with IKF as a placeholder.

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      • Bright Side

        2 years ago

        SS is overvalued. The Yankees could simply start Peraza at SS rather than bring back IKF for $6mil.

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        • Yankee Clipper

          2 years ago

          Agreed Bright Side. It’s odd that they’re almost keeping IKF as a fallback option (again) for SS just in case the two don’t work out. Very, very curious move. I think he has great value as a UTL guy, but only as a UTL guy.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          2 years ago

          We’ll see in ST. Peraza only has 49 MLB ABs.

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        • Yankee Clipper

          2 years ago

          Yeah, YBC, I do agree that Peraza is so green we have no idea what we are getting on offense. Relying so heavily on Peraza, Volpe and others causes me great consternation. Cashman better be right or he has single-handedly created the hurdle that the Yankees could not overcome. IKF is not a starting SS though, imo, regardless of the outcome with Peraza.

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    • Poster formerly known as . . .

      2 years ago

      I think the Yankees are lucky that Cincy rejected the offer of Dominguez.

      “After spending the regular season in Class-A ball, he got promoted just before the Double-A playoffs, where he hit .450/.560/.950 with three home runs, 10 RBI and five walks in five games. In the championship game, Dominguez finished 3-for-4, homered from both sides of the plate and knocked in six runs. Altogether in 2022, Dominguez hit 16 homers, stole 37 bases and finished with an OPS of .837.”

      If he stays healthy, I expect Jasson to be a special player. I hope Volpe is too, but homering from both sides of the plate in a championship game? I’m not trading that if I can help it.

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      • Yankee Clipper

        2 years ago

        Yeah, the future will tell if he’s real or fake, but they very well could’ve saved Cashman from himself on that one. I’m just glad to see he’s actually going for it with certain trades. I don’t often credit his moves (because I don’t often agree with them) but he’s going after some really good people with legit offers.

        If these prospects turn out anything close to their reps Cashman is going to look like a genius. If they’re busts, he’s going to look like a complete moron.

        Speaking of….Boone couldn’t be more tone deaf. In the city where he’s managing the most important and recognizable NY team and failing to win, he comfortably sits atop a podium where he professes his love for the Eagles and then happily predicts they’re going to crush the Giants. Read the room bro!

        I cannot wait until Aaron Boone is gone. Perhaps he could glean some managing tips from the Eagles coaching staff on how to win? Possibly he could glean tips on how to play the best players in their own positions? He should be in Philly where he really wants to be.

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        • Poster formerly known as . . .

          2 years ago

          I think you’re going to have to wait a while before Boone is gone. It takes a lot to lose your job with this franchise unless you’re low on the totem pole like a coach.

          In all honesty, I hoped the Giants would win but knew that the Eagles had the better team and the odds in their favor. But if I were the manager of the Yankees I’d have kept my mouth shut about it.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          2 years ago

          Yeah like trying to get fired from a State job, it’s really hard to do, once you’re in.

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      • CaptainJudge99

        2 years ago

        Yes I agree with you Fink, I would expect Dominguez to be our starting centerfielder in the next year and a half or 2 years. Yes he went on a tear right after the trading deadline, something tells me he was excited to stay with the Yankees. Glad Dominguez is still here, and so are the Yankees. Expect Oswald Peraza playing shortstop to hit .275-280-15-20 homers next season if he’s playing regularly, and giving gold glove defense. Glad we kept him also.

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    • slider32

      2 years ago

      Time will tell, if Volpe and Peraza are core players in 2 years, Cashman made the right decision. Castillo was actually better after he was traded, while Montas wasn;t. Montas also had a history of pitching well again;st the Astros. I think there is a good chance that Volpe, Peraza, Dominguez, Jones, and Periera could end up as core players as much as that sounds crazy for the Yanks. It will be interesting to see if wave starts this season with Peraza winning the starting SS position.

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  5. ExileInLA 2

    2 years ago

    The Yankees don’t have the best rotation in NYC…let alone in all of MLB.

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    • Joe says...

      2 years ago

      A case can be made for Verlander and Scherzer > Cole and Rodon (but not by much) but three through five is where the Yankees are decidedly better.

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      • Sunday Lasagna

        2 years ago

        Assuming Montas can pitch in pinstripes. His 2022 was a little reminiscent of Sonny Gray and Ed Whitson

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    • CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      @ExileInLA 2- Who does the Dodgers? Smh

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  6. SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs

    2 years ago

    Starting 5 looks good and the bullpen will be a strength again, but if any starters miss significant time it could be trouble. Alot of unproven pitching to rely on for innings.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      Doesn’t that apply to just about every rotation of a contending team?

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      • SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs

        2 years ago

        Excluding the Dodgers and Astros, and maybe Brewers and Guardians, yeah.

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        • CardsFan57

          2 years ago

          I see four solid starters on the Brewers with no depth behind them. With free agent losses, the Dodgers are not deep in starting pitching. The Guardians had 3 above average starters last year. Did they sign an ace I didn’t catch? Houston now has two above average starters without Verlander. The truth is the two deepest rotations in baseball are now in New York. Flip a coin or let the season play out to see which is number one.

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    • LFGMets (Metsin7)

      2 years ago

      I actually think that the Yankee bullpen is very weak compared to who they were throwing up the past 6-7 seasons. No real closer as of right now, which is what I think the Yankees need if they want to go anywhere this year. The Chapman, Miller, Betances, Britton 1234 was probably the best relief staff in baseball for the past decade of any team. I don’t think Clay Holmes is a viable closer, more of a 7th inning guy. The Yankee’s strength in their bullpen is Holmes, King, and then it gets iffy from there after down seasons from Abreu and Loasigia

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  7. cakingtx

    2 years ago

    It’s a 90 win staff. However, the rotation’s performance against an elite rotation 1:1 eye test scenario is at best ALDS L.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      Stick with German. If Montas stays hurt, they can try to sign him to a pillow contract for ’24.

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      • YankeesBleacherCreature

        2 years ago

        @larkraxm

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  8. larkraxm

    2 years ago

    German and Schmidt can handle any starting opportunities while Montas rehabs from his injury. A bigger question is what do the Yankees do if Montas cannot come back healthy this season. That would be a drag. Still like their in house options better than the likes of Wacha, Bundy and Co.

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    • slider32

      2 years ago

      Agreed, we are only talking about 4 or 5 starts.

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  9. Poster formerly known as . . .

    2 years ago

    Off-topic observation: the website “ClutchPoints” looks like it’s produced by and for 12-year-olds.

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      2 years ago

      Is it baseball related ?

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      • Poster formerly known as . . .

        2 years ago

        Go to the website. You’ll see. They’re fond of silly graphics.

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  10. deweybelongsinthehall

    2 years ago

    Too much emphasis is placed on strikeouts as IMO it causes additional stress on the pitcher’s arm and brain. In some cases, overthrowing and trying to be perfect causes injuries. Comparing various other rates again IMO have variables that make them less important than they appear. For example, Red Sox pitchers benefitted greatly when their outfield was Benny, JBJ and Mookie but they were hurt by having an overall poor infield defense. Add in other variables such as ball parks, the home plate umpire and weather conditions and you need to use your eyes. Some pitchers get squeezed by the umps especially when their young. If the league clamps down or moves to electronics for calling pitches, it will affect many. Thus, the eye test is so underappreciated today.

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  11. Fg-3

    2 years ago

    And who does??? Those old geezers in Queens???

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  12. Mikenmn

    2 years ago

    The Yankees will get by. First month of the season has some off days, there are people they can throw out there, and this isn’t nearly the crisis it’s being made out to be. That said, the Montas deal was questionable from the start, and looking worse daily. I don’t want to relegate him to Frank Pavano status, but a return to the mound with quality innings would be desirable, if not likely.

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  13. Yanks2

    2 years ago

    Their pitching isn’t the issue. It’s their offense, or lack thereof. Oh and Buffoon as the manager too

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    • larkraxm

      2 years ago

      It’s not Aaron Hick’s fault that stupid A#% Aaron Boone kept putting him in the line-up. I think Mattingly should have been our manager.

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      • Poster formerly known as . . .

        2 years ago

        It might not be Boone’s fault either. He didn’t give Hicks a 6-year $70 million contract. The guy who did might be forcing Boone to play Hicks. We’ll probably never know.

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        • larkraxm

          2 years ago

          Doesn’t matter to me. Boone signed the line-up card! I know that those decisions are made as a leadership team, and they probably don’t let Boone choose the spot for dinner on his own. The Yankees aren’t the Brewers. 10 million a year is what they should pay a fourth or fifth outfielder. Hicks is fine for depth or spelling the real LF for a game or two, but dude played in 130 games last year! Unacceptable!

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        • Poster formerly known as . . .

          2 years ago

          You’re preaching to the choir, my man:

          mlbtraderumors.com/2023/01/brian-cashman-discusses…

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  14. CaptainJudge99

    2 years ago

    @Yanks2- I agree with you here, on all accounts.

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  15. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    2 years ago

    So…you want to dump Donaldson?
    What do the Tigers get for taking on ~$30M?

    Wells, Jones? That’s a lot of money….you want something back? So many players to be involved….messy. I think it’s all press.

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  16. dasit

    2 years ago

    any yankee fans with insight into what happened to garcia? he looked like the real deal

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  17. larkraxm

    2 years ago

    He got hurt. He had an injury to his pitching arm and went on the IL at the end of May last year. There was also some talk about him losing “confidence”, but it seemed related to the injury? He is 23 years old, and the organization is still hopeful that he can be a contributor.

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