The Rangers continue to bolster their pitching ranks, as ESPN’s Jeff Passan (Twitter links) reports that Texas and St. Louis have completed a trade to send Jordan Montgomery and Chris Stratton to Arlington. The Cardinals will receive left-hander John King, as well as infield prospect Thomas Saggese and right-handed pitching prospect Tekoah Roby. In the Rangers’ official announcement of the deal, it was noted that Texas also received an international bonus pool slot from the Cardinals. To create roster space, Texas designated right-hander Joe Barlow for assignment.
With the Cards in seller mode, Montgomery and Stratton were seen as two of the likeliest players to be moved prior to the deadline, as both pitchers are free agents after the season. Between this swap with the Rangers and the Cardinals’ move to send Jordan Hicks to the Blue Jays earlier this afternoon, it’s fair to guess that Jack Flaherty (another pending free agent) might also soon be headed elsewhere, and St. Louis could also look to some surplus position players with more team control as the Cards look to reload for 2024.
As for the Rangers, acquiring Max Scherzer on Saturday and now Montgomery today throughout reinforces the team’s rotation. Despite season-ending injuries to Jacob deGrom and Jake Odorizzi, Texas had gotten solid results from its starters for much of the year, but some cracks have begun to show. Most prominently, Nathan Eovaldi hasn’t pitched since July 18, and was placed on the 15-day injured list today due to a forearm strain.
It’s an ominous diagnosis for a pitcher who already has two Tommy John surgeries on his health history, and the Rangers obviously aren’t taking any chances with Eovaldi’s recovery or in their pitching staff’s ability to thrive without Eovaldi in action. Manager Bruce Bochy told reporters (including MLB.com’s Kennedi Landry) today that the team is “pretty confident” Eovaldi will be able to return after just the minimum 15 days, though Eovaldi will visit with a doctor for precautionary purposes.
Scherzer and Montgomery now join a rotation that also includes Martin Perez, Jon Gray, Andrew Heaney, and Dane Dunning, though it remains to be seen if Texas will stick with a six-man staff. Keeping an extra starter might be useful to help keep everyone fresh for the pennant race (and, the Rangers hope, through October), yet moving Dunning back to a relief role might also be an option. On the other hand, Dunning has pitched quite well since his return to starting work, whereas Perez and Heaney have been much more inconsistent and Gray has been struggling over the last month.
Montgomery was already part of a notable deadline trade last year, when the Yankees sent the left-hander to the Cardinals in a one-for-one trade for Harrison Bader. In his first full year with the Cardinals, Montgomery has a 3.42 ERA over 121 innings, though his SIERA is a less-impressive 4.30. The southpaw has done his usual above-average job of avoiding free passes (6.9% walk rate) and limiting hard contact, though Montgomery now has a second straight season of a below-average strikeout rate (21.2%). While Montgomery has never been a huge strikeout pitcher, his whiff rate has also taken a tumble to 24.1% in 2023 after years of much more solid results.
If Scherzer is expected to be more of a front-of-the-rotation arm, then Montgomery represents a mid-rotation starter who can be relied on to take the ball every fifth (or sixth) day and deliver respectable results. Likewise, Stratton won’t be displacing Will Smith as the Rangers’ closer or even taking over a top set-up role, but he gives Texas another good arm for higher-leverage situtions late in games.
Montgomery and Stratton will each be reuniting with Mike Maddux, who was the Cardinals’ pitching coach from 2018-22 before moving on to join the Rangers’ coaching staff this year. Stratton is also a known quantity to skipper Bruce Bochy, as Stratton broke into the majors in the Giants organization back when Bochy was managing the team in 2016.
Stratton is also on the move for the second straight year at the deadline, as the Pirates sent Jose Quintana and Stratton to the Cardinals last August. Stratton’s 2022 numbers picked up considerably after that deal, and he has somewhat continued that form this season, even if his bottom-line results haven’t been reflective. Stratton has a 4.36 ERA in 53 2/3 innings, though a 3.48 SIERA and 3.06 FIP indicate some bad luck on Stratton’s part, perhaps due to an unusually low 61.6% strand rate.
The right-hander doesn’t have the high-velocity arsenal associated with most relievers, nor are his hard-contact or walk rates anything special. However, Stratton does bring durability in his ability to pitch multiple innings, and he has some of the most elite fastball and curveball spin rates of any pitcher in baseball.
Without any reports of money changing hands between the two teams, it looks like the Rangers will be absorbing the remainder of the 2023 salaries for Montgomery (roughly $3.5MM) and Stratton (around $1MM). It’s not a big financial commitment to a team that has already been splurging on big-name talent over the last two seasons, and Roster Resource projects that Texas is still just barely under the $233MM luxury tax threshold. The Rangers reportedly don’t have any issue crossing the tax threshold, so if another upgrade presents itself before Tuesday’s trade deadline, it wouldn’t be surprising to see the front office make another deal or two.
Among the players going back to the Cardinals, King is the best-known name to fans, as the lefty has a 4.27 ERA over 126 1/3 innings out of the Texas bullpen since he made his big league debut in 2020. A grounder specialist who has a very impressive 61.7% career groundball rate, King is naturally more susceptible than most to batted-ball luck, so his huge .379 BABIP over 18 2/3 innings has been the main factor in his 5.79 ERA.
The Rangers have sent King back and forth from Triple-A on a couple of occasions this season, and he is under team control through the 2026 campaign. The Cardinals will have the rest of the year to take a look at King and see if he might be an option for their bullpen going forward, plus in a more immediate sense King will add some left-handed depth to the St. Louis relief corps.
That said, Roby and Saggese are the bigger parts of this trade from the Cards’ perspective, as they join the three youngsters obtained in the Scherzer and Hicks deals as part of the sudden reload of the St. Louis farm system. MLB Pipeline ranked Roby as the Rangers’ 11th-best prospect and Saggese 14th, while Baseball America had a similar tack in placing Roby 13th and Saggese 15th.
Roby was a third-round pick for Texas in the 2020 draft, and he has a 5.05 ERA over 46 1/3 innings and 10 starts at Double-A Frisco this season. While he has cut back on his walks and home runs allowed, Roby’s strikeout rate has also tumbled during his three pro seasons, though his 25.6% mark this year is still respectable. The scouting reports from both Pipeline and BA pinpoint Roby’s command as his biggest issue, as his overall arsenal is solid. Pipeline gives a 55 grade (on the 20-80 scale) to all four of Roby’s pitches, though their report notes that the 21-year-old “may not have a true plus pitch” as a go-to offering.
Adding Roby will help St. Louis restock the minor league pitching ranks, while Saggese seems to fit the Cardinals’ preferred profile of a multi-positional infielder. Saggese has mostly played second and third base over his three pro seasons, while also getting a good chunk of action as a shortstop. He isn’t necessarily a standout defender at any position, but Pipeline liked his ability to stick at second base, and Saggese’s versatility is surely an asset as he climbs the ladder towards the big leagues.
The 21-year-old was also a 2020 draft pick (taken in the fifth round), and Saggese has done nothing but hit in the minors, including a .314/.380/.514 slash line and 15 homers over 417 plate appearances at Double-A in 2023. The pundits note that Saggese’s aggression at the plate can sometimes backfire, yet he has shown a bit more patience this season with an 8.2% walk rate.
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User 401527550
Wow. The Rangers really want it.
This one belongs to the Reds
And the kid GM doesn’t, apparently. That has actually been apparent since last offseason.
Foxtrot Unicorn Charlie Kilo
Dude. If the Reds are going to acquire someone it’ll be guys with years of team control to match their contention window.
Idk why you’re mad. You want him to trade premium prospects for a rental you could lose in free agency when you can keep the prospects and sign them in the off season?
Blowing your prospect capital for rentals when you have years and years of hopefully contending ahead of you isnt smart.
YankeesBleacherCreature
For the first time in a long time, the Reds are sitting in first place this late into the season. Guess he wanted Monty but I don’t see the Cards trading within their own division in spite of their standings.
This one belongs to the Reds
They don’t need to deal premium prospects and definitely no one on the big league roster as the premium ones are up already. The deals over the last week, really the pick ups the last offseason and all season, proved that over the dumpster diving being constantly done. This is a pattern by this front office, not an aberration.
You better strike while the iron is hot because especially small markets never know when they will be here again. Talent doesn’t mean as much when you are constantly out payrolled by large markets.
Besides, prospects are suspects until they have actually been in the big leagues a while.
Mikey P
For real. I hate that that guy is a reds fan. He’s unnecessarily negative and his takes are way out of bounds for rational thinking. Reds have nothing but to be happy right now with all the excitement after so much misery.
Foxtrot Unicorn Charlie Kilo
The Reds have 4 top 100 prospects still
Marte
Arroyo
Collier
Encarnarcion Strand
All are currently blocked at the mlb level. As you said all the “premium” guys are at the mlb level. Guaranteed teams are asking about those 4 in trades knowing they’re blocked long term.
The Reds farm is heavy on infield prospects. Moderate on OF prospects. Low on pitching prospects.
Reds just aren’t going to give away guys cause they’re blocked for rentals as much as you want them too.
The gm is playing it smart. Wait till the right deal comes along
. Theyre a nice surprise this year unexpectedly but no need to make dumb decisions dealing prospects you can later use in off season trades for guys with more years of team control.
flamingbagofpoop
Prospects are suspects is the dumbest line…every quality MLB player was a prospect at one time. If you just see them as expendable because they have a chance to bust, you’ll never keep them, “in the big leagues a while”.
case
Overloaded on hitting prospects and short on pitching prospects? Wouldn’t say that’s playing it smart, pretty tough to convince pitching free agents to come and blow up their stats in that ballpark, but likely very easy to convince hitters to come and shoot for a rebound year. All of those top prospects should be on the table for long term controllable SP.
Foxtrot Unicorn Charlie Kilo
Mlb contracts are guaranteed.
So regardless if you’re pitching a 3.00 era or 5.00 era 20 mill is 20 mill.
A pitcher looking to reestablish value or looking to get paid may not want to pitch there but if reds are willing to fork over 8 figure deals for starting pitching I’m sure a lot of guys would be willing to pitch there.
Not hard to convince guys to come when you’re willing to pay them. Cubs did this model a few years back. Loaded up on hitting prospects and paid established pitchers.
But they should definitely explore trading their surplus for controllable pitching too.
cinredsfan
If Texas is giving up its 13th and lower rated prospects, then with Cincy’s quality prospects, it should’ve taken the Reds 18th and lower.
St Louis probably asked the Reds for more than Texas gave.
Keep the prospects for now. Hope Greene and Lodolo comeback and pitch effectively.
The Reds are actually overloaded on prospects with most positions being blocked with the big league club.
Patience with the SP staff. Greene, Lodolo, Abbott, Williamson and Ashcraft are all viable SP’s. Phillips and Lyon at AAA and should get a look in ST. RP should be filled by SP or traded if they are too good and blocked from starting.
Only complaint with my Reds is Bob C won’t sell the team. Cohen would’ve been a great owner for a small market team.
Pete_Rose_was_Framed
Should be happy Bob C still owns the team. If not they might be the Portland Reds or the Nashville Reds. Marge Schott bought the team because they were in danger of leaving town. The only way to keep them in Cincinnati is a local owner. Other people care more about population and tv revenue. I think they’re doing a pretty good job of working with what they have. Until there is a hard line salary cap there will never be a level playing field in MLB. LA and the New York teams will ALWAYS spend more money than the Royals, Reds and Pirates.
bpskelly
Respect to the Rangers. Their fan base can’t say they’re not going for it.
I have no idea how good any of these guys we’ve gotten for Hicks, Monty, and Stratton are. My guess is they weren’t going to get much more. We’ll see what we get for Flare as well.
Remember kids, the Cardinals aren’t good at this selling thing because Mo’s an idiot, and we’re usually buying not selling. So there is that.
Bully the Rangers though. Hope this helps them out.
fre5hwind
Christian Roa is a ok prospect
Domingo111
I don’t think the reds should deal their elite prospects but I also don’t think they can assume they have a super long window ahead of them, they do have a great young core but those small market team windows can be shorter than you might think.
So if they can upgrade the roster without giving up mlb players or top 5 prospects they should do it because they don’t know if the division will be that open again next year.
YankeesBleacherCreature
They also have Votto coming off the books which is 24% of their total payroll. That money can be spent next year locking up young players cheaply. Or two mid-tier SPs in FA.
This one belongs to the Reds
You got it. Even shorter if the players feel the front office doesn’t support them.
Prospectnvstr
Thomas Saggesee COULD be a “breakout” player or a solid player for the Cardinals next season.
YourDreamGM
Cards did well with both trades. Hard to do better.
Can’t blame Reds for keeping prospects. 1 why are they winning now? 2. Prices have been high.
Ma4170
Well, most prospects don’t become stars or even above average MLB players, but yes, of course they have value and some do reach or exceed expectations.
kingbum
There’s a tax to trading in division. You don’t want to see the prospects you traded beating you. That’s why they took less from Texas.
Stallion97
They can’t leave for a while because of the 15-yr deal they have with Hamilton County.
Lanidrac
Why should a team giving up on 2023 care about trading rentals within the division? They won’t be able to hurt them next year unless they resign, which is only a slight chance higher than they would otherwise sign with a division rival on the free agent market.
The Reds just either weren’t interested enough or offered an inferior return.
iverbure
These “reds fans” have no idea how to build a sustainable winner. Probably the same people who loved them spending money to bring in Moose a couple years ago and whoever else they had no business bringing in.
desertball
Reds and Dodgers need to complete some prospect only trades. Equal numbers on / off 40 man
fearthecub
There are many variables that can turn a long window into a small window, regardless of market size. You never know what is going to happen from one season to the next. I’m of the mindset that when you find yourself in a position to make a run, you go for it. Not necessarily in a reckless way that jeopardizes the overall value of your organization, but you take more risks to maximize the opportunity.
You might lose some trades long term, but hopefully the short term success softens the blow of a prospect finding success elsewhere.
TheWomanWithTheGlassEye
Pump the breaks on the Reds. Good team and lots of room to grow. It isnt their time quite yet.
This one belongs to the Reds
They were not supposed to compete either.
You never know when opportunity comes or when it will come again. You take advantage of it or you talk about how great the Big Red Machine was again like they have since 1990.
seamaholic 2
Old schtick dude. Find something else to type. It’s not the Reds time yet and no one cares.
This one belongs to the Reds
Unless you have a Delorean, you don’t know that and no one else does either. That’s why they play the games.
jopeness
@this, I think the Reds are where Orioles were in 21-22. almost but not quite ready to go crazy.
Cincyfan85
Stop whining. Dang man. What kind of fan are you? How could you be complaining right now. The Reds have as bright a future as any team in baseball right now.
This one belongs to the Reds
Just watch.
jopeness
@Cincy, I like seeing the Orioles and Reds start a resurgence. But as with any franchise we have our idiots. You know how many times I see Yankee fans spew out the most asinine things.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Fire Girardi! Sell to A-Rod!
DCartrow
Texas got a Monty/ Stratton package?
Hope they haven’t shot themselves in the foot.
weenfan
Rangers putting in a ton of work and money to be perennial wild card contenders, at best.
Ma4170
I think they have higher upside than that
vaderzim
Cookin’ up some eggs and bacon on this hot stove.
mgomrjsurf
Yes to heating up Pitchers but Bats not yet.
YourDreamGM
Best deadline I can remember. Day before is always active and last year’s was insane and deadline day is deadline day. But to have big trades every day a week to 3 days out doesn’t happen often.
mgomrjsurf
No big ones yet today and White Sox on Thursday and Friday and Mets yesterday.
dodgersfan445
Rangers are all in, they’ll be a fun team to watch!
Dorothy_Mantooth
You have to hand it to the Rangers, Chris Young and the team’s owner. They started their ‘makeover’ last year with Semien & Seager and people laughed over their results. This year, they focused on upgrading their pitching and everything came together nicely for them. They’ve spent a lot of money to improve and now that their pitching is starting to show some holes, they go out and acquire both Scherzer & Monty…pretty impressive stuff!
While I’m not a Rangers fan, I have to tip my cap to them for committing to getting better and really making an effort to go for it this season. If the Red Sox (my team) does not make the playoffs, I’ll be rooting for the Rangers. They talked big, spent big and now are doubling down on their team’s great start in 2023. It’s refreshing to see an owner spend money to improve his team and then keep investing in it even after a very poor season a year ago.
Samuel
Congrats to Ranger fans.
Still like the Astros in the AL West and to go to the World Series to meet the Braves….the 2 best organizations in MLB…..for years now.
YourDreamGM
And unlike Padres Mets, other than the TJ man they have been reasonable moves.
JackStrawb
Semien is chronically underrated. Incredibly durable, it’s even a little disappointing when he doesn’t play all 162 games, I thought getting him for 7/175m was an excellent move given how well he had been aging and given the general trajectory of salaries.
A recent article in fangraphs even dismissed his performance a little since he’s so durable it’s almost unfair to compare him to other MIs. Simmy’s headed for another 6 rWAR season, building a HOF case. He’ll be over 40 rWAR (fg’s version doesn’t like him as much) by the end of 2023. If he gets two more 6 win seasons he’ll be 34 with around 52-53 rWAR and a peak case locked in that’s higher than the average SS HOFer.
He’ll probably wind up in competition with other 2Bman for a Hall spot by the time he’s through, and the Rangers will have every incentive to keep playing him through his age 37 season. He can also throw a 1.021 postseason OPS into the hopper of his case. His bat doesn’t play at a corner, or won’t by the time he’s 36 or 37, so he’d better plan on holding up in the MI. Overall, one of the few underrated stars in MLB.
YourDreamGM
No 1000 ops seasons. No 900. 2 800. Better get it going with the bat or start racking up gold gloves stolen bases. Not sure what writer’s hall of fame looks for but he isn’t going in mine.
User 1104686089
HOF? no probably not. Solid player? you bet
Tigers3232
Average HOF SS has a 67 career WAR, he’s way off that. He’s also way off on black ink, gray ink, and HOF monitor doesn’t even have him half way.
He’s a pretty good ballplayer and often real good. He’s just been quite far from being elite or the top 1% to have played the game.
just_breathe
Injuries and additional acquisitions pending, Rangers appear headed for a 13-man rotation to close out the year
TheGreatBaseballMind
Ha ha! 🙂
Bluejay4life
Lol
kidnova
Heaney is going to a long relief role. He has a vesting option based on innings pitched that would get him $20 million next year. No way the Rangers are letting that happen.
Daniel Youngblood
Unfortunately, Heaney’s deal is a straight $13 million player option, I believe. There are incentives up to $20 million, but the base is a player option. I’m afraid he’ll be back next year regardless of his inning count.
kidnova
Nope, his contract is $13 million with a $500k buyout. If he pitches 150 innings then he’s guaranteed $20 million.. If he doesn’t vest, then they can dump him for $500k.
kidnova
Eh, maybe you’re right, and it’s a player option either way, but they’d still rather pay him $13 than $20.
JackStrawb
There are worse starters around, and most teams not owned by Fred Wilpon are very, very careful not to cheat players out of bonuses and vesting options. It’s all too apparent what they’re doing when they do it, players hate it, the MLBPA inevitably files a grievance, and teams have learned to knock it off. I’d be amazed if the Rangers try anything like this.
case
The sunlight is finally peaking out from the clouds, they found a GM that realized SP is important. For nearly my entire lifetime the Rangers have been that clip of a homerun bouncing off of Jose Canseco’s head.
jopeness
@case, don’t forget the trifecta of roided up Juan, Jose and Palmerio. I also certainly think Pudge was eventually in on that too. But certainly not calling the kettle black as Yanks have had their share. But that 1991 or 1992 Ranger team was insane with Juan batting in 144 RBI.
Cory in Texas
Oh man. That was a good laugh. Thank you just_breathe. Awesome post.
GooseGoslinGuy
Bochy can handle ’em.
Tyson’s Pet Tiger
Rangers all in.
dazedatnoon
Rangers gettin serious
jeff51488
Wow
thegreatgoodbye
Anything more then Bader and NYY should be ashamed
causality
I bet you they’re return is better than the Mets’
User 401527550
Nope not even close.
YourDreamGM
Scherzer isn’t a rental and Robertson traded for 2 a ball kids. A fair return but Cards have better odds of their return hitting.
hiflew
Looks like you will lose that bet. At least in the minds of most people.
User 1104686089
Saggese is pretty well rounded as a ballplayer, had a nice year at AAA but not a very high ceiling.Roby could be the big get, he has lots of upside, we might regret that one actually. King is terrible haha knock yourself out there.
User 1104686089
probably all told the total value of the cards trade is greater, at least that is what fangraphs would say
Dorothy_Mantooth
Saggese is a fantastic prospect for St. Louis to acquire. He plays 3B, 2B & SS and has hit extremely well at every level of the minors so far. He should immediately become a Top 5 prospect in the Cardinals organization and could be major league ready as early as next season.
The pitching prospect (Roby) isn’t quite as good but if he can dial in his control a bit, he could become a solid #3 or #4 pitcher for them for years to come. Pretty solid return for less than 3 months of control of Monty & Stratton.
Samuel
Dorothy_Mantooth;
That’s good because the Cardinals don’t have enough guys that can play 3B or 2B, and their best prospect that should be up next year is a SS.
User 1104686089
The problem is that Saggase doesn’t play any of those positions particularly well, that’s why they have moved him around. Roby is probably the higher ranked prospect. Kind of has some control issues but pretty good stuff.
JackStrawb
A 21 yo MI knocking the snort out of the ball in AA? Yeah, that’s a serious prospect unless he has a cast iron glove.
And even then…
etex211
I think we need to brace for some bad news on Eovaldi…
Diminished velocity, forearm strain…..
jopeness
3rd TJ would be crazy, I don’t even know any pitcher that has been through 3.
j_butte
I think Johnny Venters had 3
jacl
I think he’ll end up getting Tommy John surgery. it seems like every arm issue pitchers have end up with them requiring surgery and missing a year and a half of the season.
YourDreamGM
This trade does seem like over kill or really really really having insurance for injuries.
BrettPhillips for Prezident
You’re kidding me Mozeliak. John King sucks.
Little Stevie Janowsky
He’s just a throw in. Both prospects going to cardinals are very exciting
User 1104686089
Very is a stretch… exciting maybe haha. They were interesting but I have always heard that Saggase is a utility player ceiling. Roby could be a midrotation guy.
Little Stevie Janowsky
They said the same thing about Tommy and Donovan. Cardinals do well with developing those types of players
User 1104686089
Yeah you guys do. I expect he will work out for you, I have watched him alot at Frisco and he is sort of one of those guys that’s just a baseball player but not dominant at any one thing. Easy to root for.
Cory in Texas
Takes a 40 man roster spot off the books. Rangers probably needed to find a way to make that happen in some capacity.
YourDreamGM
King is fine when you really need a double play or to keep you hanging around without using your better arms.
dudeman40
John King does suck!
Elated he was included in the deal
King of Cards
Not the guys I wanted from the Rangers. I will have to research some of these guys. Roby is decent just not who I wanted.
skinsfandfw
Lol didn’t you want Cowser or Kjerstad for Montgomery, or something ridiculous like that from the Os?
King Floch
Originally, he wanted Cowser+ for just Montgomery from the Orioles.
rolandveras
I’m a Ranger fan. Saggese is the score. He’s a good one, and very underrated. He’ll be moving up prospect lists. You scored a good one. King is garbage.
King of Cards
Thanks Roland yeah it’s a team need long term we don’t have anyone to replace Edman. Gonna have to check him out.
Stratton is better than the stats say. Team defense let him down all year. I like what the Rangers are doing they got a legit shot.
YourDreamGM
Stop making excuses and own up to it. You are a noob but have seen how it works now. Admit defeat now and do better in future.
King of Cards
Roby is ranked higher by Fangraphs than any of White, Lieter, Rocker or Porter. He’s ranked 5th. And I trust the Fangraphs rankings far more than the MLB.com rankings.
The trade is growing on me. I think I like it.
baseball lifer
As a Ranger fan I think Roby is the score. Roby just needs to stay healthy. Seggese is nice but he is very limited player. Average MLB 2B to a Utility type of player. Weird swing using all arms. Below average contact rates that does produce solid exit velocity numbers. I can only imagine every MLB club has 2-3 players in its organization that fits that profile.
User 1104686089
Saggese is probably a solid utility player with a little power. Not an awesome defender, but plays just about every infield position.
rdiddy75
The new Jose Oquendo
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Mozeliak is making the deals, of course you’re not going to get who you want.
jbc2570
except Mo is doing just fine so far. 2 very interesting starting prospects from the Jays, 1 from the Rangers and then Saggesse who would have easily been a AAA starter this season for Memphis considering the infielders in Memphis not named Masyn Winn
King Floch
Weird, I don’t see any top 25 overall prospects in the Cardinals’ return for Montgomery.
In fact, I don’t even see a top 10 organizational prospect from Texas going to St. Louis.
😉
King of Cards
It was number 11 and 14 fella
Got a top 10 guy in the Jays system for Hicks.
What are the Orioles doing? Nothing so far. They got Fujusucky
King Floch
Just man up and take the L lol.
King of Cards
When the Orioles win a championship on the backs of Dean Kremer and Kyle Gibson you can talk all you want.
EvanD
Man, I forgot they moved the deadline up two days.
King Floch
After the last few weeks of you making ridiculous trade proposals for Montgomery and then accusing anyone who called your ridiculous proposals out for being ridiculous of “not caring about winning,” I think I will go ahead and talk as much as I want actually.
I guess Texas just doesn’t want to win since they didn’t give up Evan Carter for 2 months of Montgomery lol.
King Floch
Yeah, someone really should have told Mike Elias. Poor guy thought he had until August 1st.
King of Cards
Dude you should worry about your own team. Let’s see what the Orioles do. That rotation isn’t playoff ready.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Saggese is the better of the two prospects. You’ll end up loving him in a year or two (he’s only 21 years old).
Slider_withcheese
Makes sense. They need someone to iron Scherzer‘s uniform and no one does a better job than a cardinal
Sportsmutt
Why the heck couldn’t we package Monty and Hicks? What happened to Yankees wanting Hicks and more?
(I have no more fingernails left to bite).
YankeesBleacherCreature
Why would the Yankees, with one of the best bullpens in baseball, want Hicks? With Nestor back soon, they also have seven starters fully-strectched out.
Gwynning
Maybe Sportsmutt meant Aaron Hicks in a 3-way trade? 😉
YourDreamGM
Why take less for Hicks? Obviously Rangers didn’t want him as much and Toronto wanted him more. At least in Cardinals eyes.
jbc2570
because packaging players was never going to bring back the same level of talent.. Toronto overpaid big time for Hicks. No idea if they had any interest in the Cardinals SP. and Maybe Texas wasnt willing to overpay to get Hicks instead of Stratton
king beas
How did scherzer get a better prospect return
showmebb
Another year of control and the fact that he’s a multi Cy Young winner with recent history of stellar performance.
SalaryCapMyth
The Mets paid down 2/3 of Sherzers contract. Still, with his diminished velo, I think they over paid for Sherzer.
Reynaldo
Rangers putting that Texas oil field money to help fund their playoff run.
Cardsfanatik redux
to the rangers fans, is there anything good in that package? I’m truly asking because I don’t know
Breezy
King blows. But Saggesse seems very promising.
Cardsfanatik redux
Roby 100 years away I’m assuming?
Breezy
Probably. He has struggles as a starter this year in AA. He was ranked towards to bottom of Texas’ prospects I believe.
cah011381
He’s number 11, not really towards the bottom.
baseball lifer
Roby is the key part of the deal. Nice upside arm with him. Saggese is a pure gamer. Not overly talented, but does a good job with the tools he has. I am not fond of King. Always thought he was a major leaguer he just hasn’t done particularly well when given the chance.
jbc2570
pretty sure King was a throw in to eat some innings for the Cards down the stretch. We’ve sent 3 pitchers out already and more on the way.. gotta fill those innings somehow
oz10
Saggese is a legit prospect. Roby has the stuff but needs a little polishing. Could be good.
Samuel
Don’t worry about Roby, these Cardinals are great at working with pitchers.
Rangerfan99
Roby and saggesse are solid prospects. Roby is the piece I don’t want in this deal, he could be something special.
VonPurpleHayes
Mets are paying a chunk of Scherzer’s salary
User 1104686089
Roby is the big get. kind of annoys me that we gave him up, but I guess Leiter, Rocker, Porter is the pitching future for us.
oz10
Nice. We definitely need the reinforcements.
PaulyMidwest
They took John King lmao:
MIKE Eezy
Hahaha love this move as a Ranger fan. Hopefully they can make the switch to the AL and produce. Especially with the Rangers continued injury issues this season.
CardsFan57
Montgomery pitched most of his career in the AL so I think he’ll be fine.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Or move the Rangers to the NL West. They’ll still be in first place 🙂
Deadguy
They got a relief pitcher, an infielder that will be blocked for the next 8 years and a AA starter? For Montgomery and Straton? Wow L
The best guy is the middle infielder who will be blocked… we need Pitching John… Wtf
Four4fore
We still have one deal to make and one of those middle infielders could be in it.
jbc2570
for 2 months and the post season and then both Monty and Stratton are free agents. I’m surprised Mo has gotten as much as he did today considering all 3 pitchers are rentals
Four4fore
3 rentals get you 4 prospects 3 of which are pitchers. The middle infielder is there for depth for when DeJong and maybe another goes with Flaherty. Really it’s lottery tickets for the loss of rentals, the big work needs to take place in the off season, that’s where my confidence runs out.
Breezy
As a Rangers fan, love seeing Chris Young and co. opening up the wallet and trying their best to put quality on the field.
flamingbagofpoop
It makes sense. The rest of the ALW is having a down year, this is a good opportunity for them, especially after they’ve already pushed in so far with the FA signings the past few years. Hopefully it works out for them.
Braves_saints_celts
Welp the league is sitting by letting the rangers trade for everyone. So now Perez and heany or dunning to the bullpen?
Gwynning
I would guess Perez to the Pen. Heaney is ok-ish and Dunning has been much more solid this go-around as a Starter. Martin has struggled.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Release the 0-2 batting practice pitcher (Perez)
VonPurpleHayes
Surprised with the return. Seems like a win for Texas, but time will tell.
Four4fore
Two rentals cost 2 of their top 30 prospects.
Motor City Beach Bum
That just seems like a really light return for Montgomery. Ouch
kidnova
He’s a rental. Teams don’t overpay for those like they used to.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Except the Angles and thr guys making proposals for Ohtani
User 1104686089
haha you might get your wish man. I know you have hated Perez for sometime.
jbc2570
Ohtani is a unicorn tho. there has never been a rental that could impact a team like he can
YourDreamGM
Strong return
Rsox
For a team supposedly looking for pitching help the Cardinals traded away 3 pitchers today and got back a reliever and 2 AA starters. Mozeliak must be eyeing ’25
King of Cards
All 3 could be ready by this time next year. Won’t help for the first half but they aren’t that far off.
btharveyku08
That being the case, he should trade Goldy and Nado
neo
Cards didn’t get much more for these two than they did for Hicks.
King of Cards
I agree not the deal I would have made. But I do like the Hicks deal at least.
Cardsfanatik redux
the more I read up on Roby and that Saggese kid, the less I hate it. I think they could have gotten a bit more from Monty, but maybe not. Mo hasn’t called me yet to let me know :p
King of Cards
I don’t hate the deal just not the guys I wanted. Saggeese might replace Edman it makes sense but not the guys I wanted.
Cardsfanatik redux
I agree.
jbc2570
saggasse is being compared to Edman but having seen some of his College ABs, he seems to me have considerable more power than Tommy. Had he been with the Cardinals this season, he definitely would’ve started at 3b for Memphis
Motor City Beach Bum
Hicks return was pretty decent but they must see something in the players they got back in the Montgomery return that many of us don’t. Of course where they are in AA this year and ranked 14-17, they would be in AAA and likely ranked much higher next year. Time will tell.
King of Cards
Fangraphs has Roby ranked higher than any of Lieter, Porter or Rocker. They really like him a lot.
You guys should be doing some deals soon too should be fun. I like the fit with the Orioles hopefully their GM has a better attitude then some of their fans.
Motor City Beach Bum
I remember when they drafted Roby and there were some good comments then but hadn’t heard anything since. Sounds like he gas progressed. I’m wondering if the Tigers are not going to extend Lorenzen or rework Erod’s deal both of which I’d be good with. Lots of time left until the deadline. Hopefully they make a good deal to fill a hole. Cheers.
King of Cards
Tigers will trade both imo and they should. Mize is coming back with a healthy Skubal you can dream on those 2. But soon to be free agents have to go.
Motor City Beach Bum
I’d prefer they trade them for a good trturn but not for the sake of trading them. They are both good pitchers who have done well under the tutelage of Tigers pitching coach Chris Fetter. If we can’t fill another need with them (young 2B or 3B to add to the young core) or get good returns for both, then having one of them under contract next year to go with Mize, Skubal, Manning and Olsen is a good top 5 with Wentz and Brieske around and Madden and Flores working their way up through the minors. We went through a whole starting pitching staff again this year unfortunately. I expect at least one gets traded before Tuesday, if not both.
King of Cards
Orioles have young 2b and 3b lots of them. I think that’s the team and the best fit.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
The Rangers really need relief help now. Outside of Chapman, I don’t like anyone in their bullpen. If they can get 2 more guys, maybe like one of Bednar and Hader, and then a lesser reliever like Hunter Harvey, Liam Hendriks (if healthy) or Justin Lawrence, that might make them the favorite
Breezy
Adding Stratton surely helped.
MIKE Eezy
Will Smith is pretty solid but I was also hoping for a right handed reliever and Stratton isnt who I had in mind. Just fits in with Leclerc and Anderson.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
@MIKE Eezy while Will Smith has performed well overall this year, I honestly don’t think hes that good. On the Braves he looked finished. Maybe he fixed something around but I wouldn’t have much confidence in him, especially around playoff time
MIKE Eezy
I dont love the dude but he has been solid enough this season. Not interested what he did before this season, that can change on a dime. Look at Chapman prior to this season. Just hoping for the best at this point. Everyone on the Rangers pitching staff has me nervous since deGrom went down.
YourDreamGM
They traded and spent so much already. Might as well get that scarry sure thing closer. Game 7 you bring in for the 8th 9th game over.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
@YourDreamGM Exactly. If they can pull off a trade for Hader, they are all set with him and Chapman closing things down. Together they’d be unhittable. It be like the 2015 Yankees with Miller and Britton
LFGMets (Metsin7)
2016 Yankees with Miller and Chapman*
10centBeerNight
Wow. TEX impressive.
Shady mapleworth
wow mo is a clown
bighiggy
Hicks got almost as much as Monty and Stratton. I’m perplexed. With stroman off the market Monty was one of the top available starters. The infield kid looks good and so does Roby but John King isn’t very good, strange. I mean mitch white of Toronto who was DFA’d is better than king. Just strange
Cardsfanatik redux
maybe they’ll pick up white on waivers if he really got DFAd. he looked really pretty good in LA for a time. I think he’s been hot garbage this year, but I don’t watch Toronto much
bighiggy
He did and they should. They have 3 open spots now, plus dejong and flaherty and probably others going too. They should take a flier on white and a couple other guys who were DFA’d in the last couple days. Also they should DFA motter and fermin for crying out loud.
Cardsfanatik redux
lol. yes. all of this
mgomrjsurf
Haven’t b heard if Stoman is off the Market only Bellinger,
YourDreamGM
King is replacement for Stratton like Stratton was for Oviedo. King is fine for what he is. Hicks is a closer. Closers have tons of value with multiple teams dreaming of the world series.
jbc2570
king was a throw in to eat some bullpen innings with the pitchers we traded
YourDreamGM
Definitely not a throw in. He has value.
Aaron Sapoznik
The Cardinals are coming, Tra la, Tra la…
youtube.com/watch?v=mi4GUMMqJvE
King of Cards
I don’t care for this trade. I like the return we got for Hicks almost as much as these guys.
Oh well
YourDreamGM
You over valued a 2 month rental. After you see what other starters fetch and look at these prospects in detail and not what a ranking site or trade simulator says you may like the trade.
King of Cards
I do like the trade more now that I have researched some of these guys.
CardsFan57
Underwhelming return. I doubt anything comes of these three players for the Cardinals. The Rangers got the best of this trade.
Flaherty is all that’s left and he’s not bringing back very much. Neither is DeJong if he’s traded.
Mean while the Cardinals are down to JoJo Romero closing games.
Rangerfan99
If roby can stay healthy he could be a mlb starter by the end of ’25. A good pickup.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Lol. You don’t have to fool anyone. The Rangers already fooled the Cardinals.
Cardsfanatik redux
I actually disagree. 2 rentals weren’t going to get anyone’s top 100. I like the return of Sagese and Roby quite a bit. king had sucked, but if he can be league average, it’s still probably better then the QO return you’d have gotten from Montgomery leaving
Motor City Beach Bum
Giolito just did get someone’s top 100
Cardsfanatik redux
and we can all agree that Montgomery isn’t Giolito I think.
Motor City Beach Bum
Check their stats.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
I agree, but not in the way you say. Montgomery has a much better ERA+ and ERA, along with a better FIP this season, not to mention last season. Montgomery > Giolito, but it’s reasonable to think the opposite. That’s a fair opinion. I just don’t like Giolito’s inconsistency, high pitch counts, walks, and homerun tendencies.
YourDreamGM
It’s not so much Giolito but the relievers. One guy I wouldn’t trust pitching with small lead in playoffs. The other is easily a 7th inning guy at the very least.
All 3 of these guys should make mlb and could be useful or even starters. King obviously a reliever.
DarkSide830
Agreed – Monty is better
acoss13
Texas made a good deal. Cardinals should have asked for pitching prospects, that’s what they really need, not an infielder. Good job Rangers!
YourDreamGM
Cardinals can ask for whatever they want but ultimately have to settle for what’s available to them.
acoss13
At least they got a good return from Texas, and maybe the infielder they got from Texas gets flipped for someone else, who knows which of these prospects stays in the Cardinals organization.
iH8PaperStraws
I get what Mozaliak is doing and I don’t mind it. He’s getting more pitchers like he already has in the minors hoping one or two of them can turn out to be a number 3 quality, but more likely the next crop of relievers. These are acquisitions are far from fulfilling the proclamation to compete in 2024, but they are in line with the realistic expectations Monty and Hicks should have been able to return.
meangreandancingmachine
So, for 3 2-month rentals that had no future in St. Louis (not after the failed Hicks extension), the Cardinals received:
* Blue Jays #7 starter prospect Sem Robberse (AA)
* Blue Jays starter Adam Kloffenstein (AA)
* Rangers #11 prospect Tekoah Roby
* Rangers #14 prospect Thomas Saggese
* Rangers LHP John King
I always like to think of the glass as half-full.
iH8PaperStraws
They need relievers for next year. Cardinals got solid returns considering that. But they aren’t anymore the starting pitcher prospect then they already have in McGreevy, Graceffo, Hjerpe, Thompson, etc.. but law of large numbers says one one should make it as a back end guy.
bb15021
its great they got some pitching out of the trades, but my problem is that they all seem to be the same pitcher the cards have been throwing out there for years. there doesn’t seem to be much bat missing potential with any of these guys
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
The Rangers got a lot for almost nothing.
Cardsfanatik redux
I can see Sagese being another Whit Merrifield, and I’ll take that all day long. plus Roby and King. seriously, what did you think 2 rentals would get, I’m curious. or are you just typing crap to hear yourself type?
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Nope. Montgomery is a great #2 that the Cards gave away. I think he is better than Giolioto, and Texas also go an international bonus slot. The Cardinals got fleeced here. Texas also got a reliever.
jbc2570
and when Monty walks away after the season, the Rangers get nothing since being traded, he can’t be stuck with a QO. I’ll take 2 interesting prospects for 2 guys that wouldn’t be back next season anyways. the Rangers will be the ones getting fleeced with anything short of a WS win
rayreed5220
He loves the sound of his thumbs on the keyboard
Gmen777
What the actual f*cj are the Giants doing?
Motor City Beach Bum
Hopefully taking to Scott Harris on a better deal than the Cards just got for their pitching.
Gmen777
I don’t think the Cubs are gonna sell tbh
Cards78
I think Randy Flores can flat out scout and pick up on qualities needed to succeed. I think these deals will pay off for the Cardinals in the end.
cah011381
Yeah, people can get in Mo all they want, but he just makes the deals, Randy Flores and the scouting department do all the behind the scenes work picking out which players to target.
FrontOfficeStan
Better return than I expected for the Cardinals tbh. Don’t know why people are expecting buyers to actually trade proven starters if they’re wanting to compete. The prospect haul is solid.
robc
So who loses their 40 man spot with the 3 new additions to the Rangers roster?
User 1104686089
Bubba Thompson to aaa, move heim to the 10 day, dump Hernandez and send heaney or dunning to the pen.
mgomrjsurf
Beyond other Trades.
LoneStarStampede
Love the fact that Texas added quality pitching without giving up too much. Acuna was always destined to be traded out of the org.
JackStrawb
@LoneStarStampede If you think Max is ‘quality pitching’ at this point, you may not have been watching his Mets starts. He’ll throw 4 or 5 good pitches, then groove one. Throw 6 or 7 good pitches, then groove one…. He’s been complaining all season about the height of the stitches on the balls. That’s consistent with his inconstancy in the matter of throwing pitches he wants where he wants to throw them.
Could also be that he doesn’t like being 38-39 and what aging does to an athlete and he’s just being cranky without recognizing the root cause of his failures, but in any case he’s giving up almost 2 home runs per 9. That’s brutal, and it’s not just bad luck on fly balls. He’s throwing about 12-15 batting practice pitches per game up there, and MLB players are teeing off on him.
Griffon1977
Yeah I agree, these are the returns you’re going to get for rentals and pieces you can use to trade in the offseason to reshape your team. I don’t get how people think the Cardinals are getting back mlb ready starting pitching in these rental deals
YourDreamGM
If teams had excess mlb ready pitching they wouldn’t need to trade for mlb pitching.
msqboxer
Looks like CWS got better prospects for their starters than the Cards did…you get a 28 year reliever with a +5 era and potential back end starter probably will be a reliever and maybe a bench guy all low ceiling gets.
YourDreamGM
As they should have. Non of these guys have options for next year and Stratton isn’t a late inning reliever.
whyhayzee
“Texas had gotten solid results from its starters for much of the year, but some cracks have begun to show.”
Well then, hike up your pants fellas.
YourDreamGM
B for Cards. 3 years control of a ground ball pitcher. 4 average to above pitch mix mid rotation starter. Only concern would be size and delivery. I would bet on him. 2b 3b that should hit enough and have 20 hrs in him. Nice return. Not Sox nice.
C for Rangers. Playoff caliber starter. Didn’t give up a elite defender or walker. Kept their more electric arms. I wouldn’t trust Stratton but he is a ok enough arm to save your better arms. They paid but that is what market has required so far.
bighiggy
They got international slot money too. For that and Monty and Stratton cards should have gotten Barlow too who was just deignated. He’s better than alot of what we have in our pen right now
CardsFan57
I like the Rangers chances to make the WS with these pitching additions. The offense was already top notch.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
But, Seager and Heim are down, and Eovaldi is out for some unknown amount of time. I find it impressive they kept the Eovaldi thing from leaking before the Scherzer trade to maintain leverage. This is kind of like the Mets losing half their free agents and then acquiring new guys to replace them (almost).
CardsFan57
How long are they down? Will they be back by October?
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
I really wish I knew. I see reports Eovald should be back in the minimum amount of time, as well as Seager, but Heim will need surgery now or during the offseason.
YourDreamGM
Leverage is irrelevant. Cards Mets were taking the best trade return from whoever.
Logistics Guy
I agree with some Texas Rangers fans and other people that have posted comments on this story.
To rip apart your farm system and trade your future away for a one In Ten shot to win a world series.
Is In my two cents a little foolish but It not my baseball club or money just makes the Monday morning second guessing that much funny to watch
Timothy Salahi
Rip apart the farm lol we traded 3 players for 2 starters.
DUDDUS
The biggest piece we traded was Acuna and he was a 5’8 AA player. Who granted was doing well in the minors but was blocked by Seager and Semien. The guys in this and the Chapman trade are expendable and at best, mid level prospects.
Ma4170
@duddus. Agree acuna was blocked but hes better than a mid level prospect for sure
DUDDUS
Acuna is better than mid level prospect. By “this and the Chapman trade” I meant the trade the article is referring to (Montgomery) and ofc Chapman.
Ma4170
Sorry, completely read that wrong the first time
User 1104686089
the best thing that most prospects can do is play themselves to a point where they are a valuable trade piece. I don’t think I will lose any sleep over any of these guys, maybe Roby.
highflyballintorightfield
Seems like the Dodgers could have beaten this deal. I suppose Friedman has a plan.
YourDreamGM
Anyone could have beaten this deal. Even the no farm system Astros Jays Marlins.
tsc32
Need to just get rid of that bum Perez and ride with Scherzer / Eovaldi (when he returns) / Montgomery / Gray / Dunning or Heaney the rest of the year.
holecamels35
Looks like an awful return for the Cardinals. I can’t fathom the Orioles or Reds not being able to top this offer. It’s hilarious there’s teams like the Rangers, Braves, and Padres who just tell other teams to bend over and take all their best talent. They are Mets West.
YourDreamGM
Looks like a solid return to me.
holecamels35
No top ten prospects and a fringe major league swingman/reliever?? Not seeing it.
Those guys look ok I guess but not that special.
YourDreamGM
Some top 10s depending on team. Shouldn’t get top 10s for rental. Maybe they could have but went quantity over quality. I like the quality of the quantity so good move.
Lanidrac
Yeah, unless the guy is a star player, you’re not generally going to get any top 10 prospects for a rental. There are two rentals here, but Stratton doesn’t add that much value to the trade.
meangreandancingmachine
As a Cardinals fan I have to wait and see the “collective picture” when it’s all said and done. I do believe Texas won this trade, but for the Cardinals, ultimately, it’s about the collective returns after ALL trades that ultimately matter.
Cardinals still aren’t done.
Flaherty will be moved. I suspect DeJong may be moved. I suspect one or both of Carlson and Burleson will be moved. Hell, Edman – currently on the IL – could be moved.
Being sellers is new to Cardinals fans – I get it. At least wait and see what the *entire* haul once the deadline has come and gone before handing out score cards.
Potentially still a lot of new players coming to St. Louis before Tuesday’s deadline.
slugger82685
As a Rangers fan I am happy to see them taking advantage of their record this year. This is probably a year ahead of schedule but nothing is guaranteed and you gotta strike while you can. I think they have made the right moves to bolster the rotation and pen, hopefully it pays off but regardless every Rangers fan should be pleased with their efforts. Was a bit sad to see Acuna go but sometimes you just gotta pull the trigger, that one may come to bite us though if the postseason doesn’t work out for us.
Cory in Texas
Exactly my thoughts. This isn’t our year but fully expecting world series contenders next season. Albeit, injuries are unpredictable so might as well rebuff the roster and see how far we can ride through the playoffs this season, while we have this glimmer of success.
Lanidrac
Stratton is servicable, but he is by no means “a good arm for higher-leverage situations.” Good luck with him.
64' Yanks
You can be sure that the Cardinals did not get any injured ballplayers for Jordan Montgomery! Best wishes for Monty and his chance for a ring. I always appreciate his efforts when he played for the Yankees. Too bad he played for a Mickey Mouse organization then.
nottinghamforest13
“That said, Roby and Saggese are the bigger parts of this trade from the Cards’ perspective, as they join the three youngsters obtained in the Scherzer and Hicks deals as part of the sudden reload of the St. Louis farm system.”
What players did the Cardinals obtain for Scherzer?
rec567
I read that part of the article several times since I guessed I was just reading it wrong. But, yeah: how were the Cards getting anything for the Mets deal with TX on Scherzer???
shlabotnik
Lots of people have been drooling over Roby since yesterday. I mean I know the bar is low for the Cardinals these days with pitching but a guy that stunk at high A and has stunk at AA in back to back seasons while having multiple arm/shoulder issues over the last 3 years doesn’t exactly scream great trade.