7:28pm: MLBNetwork’s Jon Morosi reported this evening that a Crochet deal coming together during the Winter Meetings this week is “increasingly possible.” What’s more, Morosi suggests that the Red Sox are “more willing” to listen on top shortstop prospect Marcelo Mayer than previously believed and could become a more significant factor in Crochet’s trade market if they make him available in trade talks with the White Sox.
4:23pm: Garrett Crochet’s status as the offseason’s top trade candidate means that there is plenty of buzz surrounding the White Sox southpaw as the Winter Meetings get underway. A crosstown trade could be a possibility, as Maddie Lee of the Chicago Sun-Times reports that the Cubs “have had at least preliminary talks” with the Sox about Crochet’s availability.
The Cubs’ list of top prospects is heavy on position players, which could fit with White Sox GM Chris Getz’s stated aim of obtaining premium position-player talent in exchange for Crochet’s services. It is easy to imagine Getz asking for at least one of Matt Shaw or Owen Caissie as a headliner in a trade package, or perhaps even Pete Crow-Armstrong if the Sox wanted a player with some actual big league experience. Given the Cubs’ depth at both the MLB and minor league levels, Cubs president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer might feel comfortable in parting with a younger blue-chipper in order to land a controllable pitcher.
Crochet is projected to earn only $2.9MM in arbitration this season, and he is under one further year of team control in 2026. Even if Crochet’s production takes a dip from his 2024 numbers, he’d still be a bargain in comparison to the cost of the average starting pitcher. This might be the type of special circumstance that would make the Cubs want to keep adding to their rotation, even though the Wrigleyville starting five already seems set with Justin Steele, Shota Imanaga, Jameson Taillon, Javier Assad, and new signing Matthew Boyd.
The White Sox are known to have a very high asking price on Crochet, and apparently had interest in at least one of Ethan Salas or Leodalis De Vries in trade talks with the Padres, as per USA Today’s Bob Nightengale. San Diego has been linked to Crochet on the rumor mill since prior to the trade deadline, yet the Friars have seemingly drawn a line when it comes to moving either of the top two prospects in their farm system.
The Padres and Cubs are just two of the many clubs known to have had some level of interest in Crochet in the last six months, and given his low price, it’s probably safe to say just about every team in baseball has probably at least checked in with Getz about what it would take to land the left-hander. The Yankees refused to deal Spencer Jones to the White Sox for Crochet prior to the deadline, but MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo (X link) writes that New York is still “believed to be in” on the Crochet sweepstakes.
Boston may be a different story, as Cotillo hears that the Red Sox are “just on the periphery of Garrett Crochet talks and are not aggressors at all.” This tracks with reporting from Cotillo’s MassLive colleague Sean McAdam a couple of weeks ago, as McAdam wrote that negotiations between the two Sox teams had seemingly quieted. On paper, the Red Sox would seemingly be an ideal fit for Crochet given Boston’s need for frontline pitching and their collection of elite position-player prospects (Roman Anthony, Kristian Campbell, Marcelo Mayer, Kyle Teel), but obviously a match depends on what exactly Chicago would want back in return. For instance, there have been reports that Anthony and Campbell are the true untouchables within the “big four” Red Sox prospects, so talks might have cooled with the White Sox are insisting on one of those two.
There appear to be mixed signals on whether or not the Reds could be involved. Cotillo writes that “Cincinnati [is] seen as a real threat to land Crochet,” but Gordon Wittenmyer of the Cincinnati Enquirer throws cold water on the possibility, saying that “the talks went nowhere” between the Reds and White Sox, “and there’s no reason to think they’ll re-engage at this point.” Wittenmyer notes that the two sides discussed Crochet before Cincinnati acquired Brady Singer from the Royals, so that deal could mark the end of any higher-level pitching moves the Reds could make.
Texas might have something to say.
Arent most of the rangers best prospects pitchers?
Yes but top prospect is 18 year old Sebastian Walcott SS something white Sox need a top 40 prospect that is only 18 years old.
So yea hes the only top position player prospect they have..doesnt seem like its a strength..is it wise to ship out your only guy?
I’m just saying Texas could make it happen if they wanted. Plus, Texas and White Sox were very close on a Cease last year. Not that it means that much But at least they’ve talked.
They must not want to ..but you are probably right
They wouldn’t trade Walcott anyway. Dude is a demon.
Would be a get if the Padres got Sasaki and Crochet.
All of the sudden the rivalry with Dodgers would be back.
Sneaky move that would put the Padres in the conversation for even the division.
But hey, it’s a pipe dream, right?
I would not want to trade one of the Padres blue chips for a guy with none career wins.
Huh? Make that make sense.
It’s the Padres best shot, but they still have to figure out how to replace/resign Kim, Scott and Profar while reducing payroll…
Are you saying Houston may have a problem with that?
Are you saying that Texas may object to something messin’ w it?
Are you saying that Houston might have a problem with that?
I have been thinking I want both
Crochet and Robert Jr if the Orioles do a trade with the Sox
Nice thoughts..holliday and who else?
I am not sure, anything I suggest in trade candidates, I get yelled at lol
He’s off the table. Cowser or Mayo and Kjerstad?
Robert doesn’t really fit with O’Neill in the fold. Unless we’re including Cowser in the deal, which I’d rather not.
If the Padres are considering trading for Crochet, and with Musgrove out for the season you’d have to believe that they are, I’d say they get the deal done and that Crochet will be joining Dylan Cease in the Padres rotation. They just seem to be more willing to trade prospects than other teams. I’m surprised they haven’t closed the deal yet.
The Padres are a good fit for Luis Robert too.
Its because teams like the red sox and orieles are interested and have way better prospects to offer so chicago wont deal with the padres knowing they might be able get something better
Teams having prospects and being willing to trade prospects are two different things. The team that does the latter will get Crochet, regardless of who has more or better prospects.
@poolhalljunkies I agree that’s likely why the Padres haven’t already closed that deal.
I’m not sure that I line losing one of SD’s top 2 but I do believe it will happen. Preller and Crochet ware very likely to to click in the next few days.
As for Roki, until he announces, I have to think SD is leading. Why by 3rd Japanese player in LA when he can be #1 in SD. Darvish wants him there and is older and doesn’t need the status (or money) so he will be willing to step aside. Yam and Ohtani – not so much willing to step aside to a new guy.
Then extend King.
Don’t look for the Padres to do anything this week unless a number of FA’s sign thus setting the price for the bottom feeders that they can afford. I would think trade market remains quiet until FA’s start signing.
They can afford plenty. It’s a matter if they want to do it or not.
I think if anything it’s the White Sox holding up the trade with the Padres, not being sold on Ethan Salas or Leodalis De Vries. The Padres cupboard is bare beyond the two who get all the acclaim in the rankings.
If I was Hoyer immediately sending Cassie and a lower level player for Crochett.
Cubs or Phillies aren’t petrified of trading a top tier position player prospect. Consider them favorites. In case of Philly, already known they are okay with Crawford. Cubs thinking push would be Shaw with less bust factor than Caissie as headliner.
RSox/Balt/Cincy will block any worthwhile position player prospect.
They ain’t trading Shaw. That’s a guarantee.
Don’t trade for him Cubs! He’s unproven and an injury prone player.
The Cubs have a load of prospects, they should be able to make the trade.
I like Shaw and Cam Smith. I am not as high on Caissie.
Padres prospects arent as appealing even though they have the higher ranking.
I think Cam Smith and Owen Caissie is a good trade for the White Sox. I don’t think the Cubs will make that trade though. After further review, I like Caissie more than Shaw. Watched some tape on them both. Like Cam Smith more than Shaw too.
Cam Smith will be the 3rd baseman for the Cub in 2026. Shaw will be the 2nd baseman. They’re not going anywhere.
That’s pretty much what I expect also uncle. Shaw and C Smith in the IF – by the end of 2026.
It’s just me of course Bone but I would think Caissie, Wicks, and Rojas or any other INF they would prefer in their top 30 except Long. Nobody else above Rojas. Cubs have like 6 SS in their top 30. They should have somebody Getz would like. I’m hoping Ricketts has told Hoyer he’s not allowed to lose draft picks in QO signing. Cubs scouting dept. is nailing it it in the draft. Especially if the Cubs move up in the Lottery. The best C in this draft is expected to go 13 or so and is good all around.
Not enough. Cassie a Cubs high prospect, not a top 20 MLB prospect. Not big enough headliner for a #1 who’s cheap.
Yeah Caissie is only #34. That’s a huge difference. That’s a vast difference from 20. Light years. For a P who has had TJ surgery recently and was still on an innings restriction as far back as October.Caissie would be a fine headliner for that deal. As much as I love Caissie, I think I’d make that deal with some lower prospects. If the Cubs can unload Bellingers salary, I’d keep him. If not then he’s blocked for 2 more years. He’s not gonna want to sit forever.
That not enough for crochet you need a couple more top ten prospects for whitesox to even consider trading him.
Nope
@8550
Not enough? Actually if I’m Ricketts I wouldn’t even make a deal with the White Sox. I’d let them go through another ten year rebuilding process.
It’s so enjoyable to listen to Stone on the radio and TV broadcasts, making lame excuses and evaluations to try to put lipstick on a hog.
He has nine career wins he’s not Sandy Koufax.
Cassie yes
PCA or Shaw no.
Who do the Yankees think Spencer Jones is lol.
They think he’s a left handed Aaron Judge. Not certain they’re right… but time will tell
Funny part is you never know. At the end of 23 Dominguez was the hot shot rookie for 24 and when he was finally called up, he looked lost in the OF. I’m always rooting for the kids unless they just act stupid on or off the field but you never know. The Sox have their hot shot kids now but what are the odds of all four making it big? Remember when Sale went to Boston, Chicago preferred Devers over Moncada but Boston stayed firm. Moncada is a major leaguer but certainly is no Devers (even with Devers improving but still being the worst third baseman in the league).
Probably a similar reason why the White Sox and Red Sox have cooled. Red Sox holding firm on Campbell and Anthony seems like a repeat of the prior situation.
Dewey – Great points. People didn’t understand when I tried to point out Dombrowski’s skill for picking the pretenders out of the farm system and moving them while keeping the contenders. You just gave a great example. Espinoza was another pretender that got us a valuable Pomerantz.
I know it’s not popular to say Mayer is a pretender any more than it was when I said Jeter Downs was a pretender but I think it’s the perfect time to trade Mayer before others find out like they did with Jeter Downs. His value went to zero and he was DFA’d.
The first year in the MLB is a very tough time for young ball players. If you got club support like Swihart did, you have a better chance of making it but not if you are a pretender like Swihart was. Mookie wasn’t supported by the front office so he just went out and proved himself beyond a shadow of a doubt and it’s a good thing the front office didn’t move him before he broke out. I see Duran in a similar situation along with Casas. Don’t touch them. I don’t believe they are pretenders. The guys in AAA at the end of last year all have great upside potential. All will probably struggle in year one of the MLB but the ones that make the adjustments will be the future stars of the team. I’m curious to see how Rafaela rebounds from 2024. It’s not easy being one of the best at all levels of the minors and then hitting nearly ..400 in your MLB debut before failing badly in late September and being supplanted by a lesser talent like Abreu even though you are making the spectacular catches in the outfield, playing SS when the team needs you and all without the support of your manager. I really hope he reacts like Duran did after his rough start. I hope for the same with respect to Rafaela. I’m not worried about Abreu since he’s got huge support from the organization. He will get opportunities that he does not deserve, kinda like a GG when he was the least effective outfielder from a fielding percentage perspective.
Thanks for the example of how well Dombrowski was able to evaluate talent. A lot of fans still think the Sale trade was a bad deal and Mookie’s was a good one despite the results showing just the opposite..
A tool-sy prospect who has yet to his stride in AA.
They tried that and Getz wants more. He’d take him but also wants another blue chipper per my source. Can’t name him of course but he’s part of the Cubs FO.
I like Caissie and Cam Smith from the Cubs, that would be a deal in my opinion. Cam Smith looks like a good player. Good glove, good on the bases. Caissie has a pretty sweet stroke. I had liked Shaw too but Cam Smith is a better prospect in my opinion.
PCA for Crochet, straight up. Who’s says no?
Cubs
Definitely the Cubs. Crochet has started for 1 year. He’s the type of high velocity starter the Cubs have lacked for years, but no way they trade PCA.
It might be me but I wouldn’t want to trade a guy who could help me 162 games for a guy who’s never started 30 in a season. At least, I don’t think he has. It’s not a rule I have written in stone or anything, But it is in this case.
Probably an over hyped prospect that we hold onto far to long. Some green flags, but several red flags.
They would have to ship much more than Spencer now. He’s not even close to a top 20 MLB prospect now.
The next Clint Frazier. Yankees have a couple of these over hyped types every year.
frazier (like bird and andujar) was not overhyped. he was an above-average regular whose career was derailed by an injury
The Dodgers are still talking to the Sox.
Aside from DePaula, nobody on that farm seems that intriguing to me.
Emil Morales is far away but is the kind it player the Sox should target if they’re talking with the Dodgers
Sox can’t develop hitters, though. I feel they’d ruin most guys who are far away as well as any lottery tickets.
Dodgers were in serious talks with Sox last year but weren’t willing to give up Dalton Rushing! Friedman still lurking waiting to pounce!
Since the Salas or De Vries for Crochet isn’t happening, there really is no new news here on a potential Padres Crochet deal, Okay.
They’ll push another rushed prospect in a package if they want him, they always do if they feel like it.
other than Salas and De Vries? nah, A trade for Crochet will require far more value and Pads dont have it on farm.
Brew, I can see AJ pulling one last explosion. Maybe add Arreaz in for cost saving, add both Salas and De Vries and get Crochet and Robert, maybe a backup C if they have one?
Load up for one more WS shot.
Won’t happen
Salas makes a lot of sense to me. One more failed attempt to push him through the minors and his stock plummets even further. Plus there gm is capable
OK I’m sorry, am i the only one who thinks Crochet has been getting massively overhyped? I’m not saying he’s bad, but I don’t see this “sweepstakes” type pitcher here.
Which is exactly why that numbskull Jed Hoyer will give up way too much to sign him ..
He can’t be singed, he under contract
True, but he wants whichever team trades for him to sign him to an extension.
Agreed, but a lot of raw talent that has already proven at the ML level, though not over a full season. I’m sure many teams are curious what their pitching dept and getting him away from ChiSox could unlock something and for multiple years at a reduced rate (via arb). If top prospects are overhyped (having not ever seen ML service), then I can understand why some execs are foaming at the mouth for this one.
When Cease placed 2nd in CYA voting in 2022, he had an fWAR of 4.4. Crochet just posted a 4.7 in 38 fewer innings. Of the top 20 pitchers (per fWAR), only Sale and Skenes had a higher WAR/IP ratio, meaning Crochet was higher than Burnes, Skubal, Wheeler, Kirby, Gray, and others. You can point to durability concerns, but the ceiling is sky-high, CYA candidacy level.
This. And if you observe the two pitch side by side it’s night and day. Crochet combines lights out stuff with command, effortless innings. Cease has lights out swing and miss stuff, especially that nasty slider that he has penned beautiful poetry to, but labors through his starts, frequently maxing out at 100 pitches without getting thru 5. He’s bombed consistently in the playoffs, failing to get out of the 3rd
Yes, his stats besides W/L which is b/c he’s on the WSox were the best of any LH] starter except Skubal.
He’s a stud, only question is durability and you find that out in the future of any player.
146 innings. That’s just enough of a sample size for me to deem someone an ace. Surely not enough to give up the farm for
He’s not deemed an ace, he is projected to become one. He’s halfway there and teams like lefties with 100 gas and excellent secondaries. Plus he doesn’t have walk issues.
One year. And they had to baby him to get him thru the last six weeks. He’s got the ceiling of Carlos Rondon. Sox are delusional.
The sweepstakes is that he is young, cheap, and has said he would like to sign an extension. He is also being shopped. That combination doesn’t come along very often.
Yeah, I am not excited at thought of giving up a package of prospects for a SP who had a great 3-4 months, and has been other wise mostly injured. No for the Mets. Keep Jett. And Benge.
Nobody wants Jett. Or Benge.
We’d like Luisangel Acuna and Ronny Mauricio.
Not Acuna. He swings at stuff outside the zone, leading to weak contact. Have enough of that on the Sox already.
Way overhyped. There’s 0 chance the Red Sox will consider unloading Mayer for him
Right, 200 + Ks in 140 IP is overhyped
It’s the 140 innings that doesn’t impress me. Dudes been around for a long time, doesn’t make any money, just had his best season by far and still only pitches a 140 innings.
He’s not worth a blue chip prospect and that’ll be evident once a deal is complete
Dudes been around for a long time,
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No. He’s only had parts of 3 seasons, 219 career IPs and is only 25 year’s old.
Has to be atleast 4 right ? How does he only have 2 years of control left then ? 3 pre arb then 3 arb eligible
He missed a season with an injury.
He was injured one year.
Every team seems to have drawn the line, at parting with their top few players in their Minor League systems. Cubs should be no different. Crochet doesn’t come without risks.
Massive amount of risk.
No pitcher comes without the same risks and Crochet has already had tj surgery.
If Mayo or Kjerstad are the centerpieces of a trade….do it. Today. Holliday is a non-starter. Just my opinion.
Yeah, I’d take those two from Baltimore. At least they’re top prospects, not bottom of the barrel.
I’d be comfortable dealing one of the two, not both. I could see Kjerstad + a non blue-chip prospect.
As a Sox fan, I’d take Mayo or Kjerstad as the headliner, but I think a couple lesser pieces would have to be added. I agree that Holliday is highly unlikely. Bidding would have to get totally nutty for that to happen.
I don’t get the Holiday love. Not impressed at all.
White Sox aren’t getting any of those dudes lol. Holliday not enough ?? Rotf
Teel should also be untouchable. Catcher is a critical need for Boston and it’s a premium position that’s very hard to fill. Offer them only Mayer out of the four.
Mayer and Braden Montgomery is a deal I’m sure the White Sox would make. They won’t do any better.
Mayo and Bradfield Jr. from the O’s.
It would have to be Bohm and Starlyn Caba from the Phillies.
All good trades for the White Sox, Id make all three trades if I were Chris Getz.
I wouldn’t trade Mayo if I were the Orioles.
I’m thinking the Cubs would be offering Jordan Wicks as part of the return for Crocket. With all the LH SPs currently with the Cubs, Wicks sure looks to be a sweetener in a multi player deal.
Fever Pitch Guy – I think we need to be careful when it comes to Teel. We need to learn a lesson from Adley Rutschmen. He was the second coming of Posey but I think we learned that his contribution won’t be as extraordinary from a numbers perspective compared to other stars like Gunner Henderson. Adley’s contribution that makes him unique is that he handles the pitching staff, has a great arm and can hit above league average. Henderson, however, may become an elite hitter along with playing defense. When we compare Campbell, Anthony and Teel I think there will always be a drop-off in hitting for Teel but his other attributes are what make him more valuable than most.
Untouchable for Campbell and Anothony is a solid strategy until we know more about their future. Teel, on the other hand, doesn’t have the bat upside so to me he’s more of “it would have to be an incredible offer but given the right offer’ we should do it. See the difference in productivity between a Teel and Wong is far less than between a Campbell/Anthony and a guy like Abreu. That’s why I think those two players should be untouchable at this point in time but that status is subject to change as more data on performance becomes available in 2025.
Fever I agree with you on Teel. I don’t think you trade Teel. Teel has been outstanding offensively he’s an all fields line drive hitter who is likely to hit for a high average in the bigs. Catcher is a very physically demanding position as well as mentally it can take a toll on you. He seemed gassed when he first got to AAA but he finished strong in the month of September offensively. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him take his line drive show to Fenway by mid season. Offensively I think he’s ready for the bigs right now but a needs a little more seasoning in the field.
If the Yankees sign Soto, I would absolutely trade Spencer Jones + for Crochet. His stuff is mind blowing and he is cheap. No brainer. Yes, there are some risks, especially with Crochet, but no risk no fun. Cole Crochet Buehler Rodon Schmidt/Gil would be a great Rotation.
yankees might have hugged jones for too long he’s turning 24 in the spring and still hasn’t mastered double-a not saying he won’t turn into something but he needs to take big steps forward in 2025
Sox say no. Jasson Dominguez has to be the guy now, not Spencer.
I will be shocked if the Yankees are able to acquire Crochet for a few reasons: first, Cashman notoriously hugs their upper prospects; second, even if the Sox would do Jones-for-Crochet in some manner, I don’t think Cashman would (remember Luis Castillo, Cole, etc?); and finally, many other teams have more appealing prospects than the Yankees do because we rarely trade them when their value is highest (see Jones, Peraza, Andujar, etc).
Cashman loves to smell his prospects
if cashman turns down crochet for jones straight up he should be fired the second he hangs up the phone. this is assuming the yankees are set at right field for the next decade (fingers crossed)
sadly they have an opening.
paging mr santander…
someone told me he’s not good enough because he has a low batting average/on base percentage. lol. Guys hitting 40 bombs as a switch hitter.
so tired of reading comments about “so and so comes with risks.” what player doesn’t come with risks? lots of comments of this type about every long-term contract signing and even some short term deals.
Sal – It goes without saying a starting pitcher who has pitched more than 54 innings only once and never more than 146 innings is a greater risk than pitchers who have gone more than 170 innings multiple times.
Fever
if only it did “go without saying.” but then you said it didn’t you?
Sal – I actually got the line from the Anger Management TV show, loved that show!
all true but there’s a difference in risk calculation between a guy you sign for 8 years and a guy you trade for in hopes of getting 2 years of dirt-cheap ace-level production. if crochet gets injured it stinks to lose prospects but you’re not tied into a long-term albatross contract. plus he only has 200 big league innings on his arm so he’s fresh and ready to go!
Crochet at $3MM for 2025 and arb 3 in 2026 has limited value for the Reds. This appears to be White Sox bs at the core. Not sure Garrett makes the Reds rotation in 2026 alongside Greene, Lodolo, Singer, Abbott, Petty, Lowder, Williamson, Burns, Phillips, Ashcraft, Aguiar, and Holman.
Crochet would be the #1 or #2 in the Reds’ rotation, immediately.
That was just plain stupid.
I think the reds are one of a few teams willing to pay WS price. But between Getz and Krall- those two are too incompetent to get a deal done. Like last year w cease
He’d be in the rotation if he is healthy. He could be the ace of the staff. Greene was a mess for years. He ain’t out of the woods with one good season under his belt either.
Greene had a .239 BABIP last season, he is a fly ball pitcher, and he had issues with the strike zone in his first two seasons, I’d expect some regression. If I’m the Reds, he is a player I’m interested in trading.
The Mets need Crochet, with the stupid signings of Montas and Holmes, they really need an Ace, if they have to trade Jett, Baty, Mauricio and Tidwell to get him do it. Sign Soto, resign Alonso, Winker and Stanek. Than I would trade Nimmo and McNeil to Seattle for Gilbert or Kirby, than bring up Gilbert for LF with Acuna at 2b.
Rotation of Gilbert/Kirby, Crochet, Senga Montas and either Holmes/Peterson
Lineup: Lindor, Acuna, Soto, Alonso, Vientos, Winker, Alvarez, Gilbert and Siri
The Mariners would laugh in your face and never take your call again with that ridiculous trade offer.
Really? You think Nimmo and McNeil with their contracts underwater, will get back a starting pitcher from Seattle?
Nimmo and McNeil for Gilbert/Kirby? That’s one underwater contract and a meh contract for one of the more valuable pitchers in the sport, directed to a penny pinching ownership group with no budget, no less. Not a chance in hell
How about Acuna, Mauricio, Baty and Tidwell for Crochet and Robert.
Acuna would be fair, and them I’d love to see them bring Moncada back on a pillow deal. Who wouldn’t want to see a little Acuna Moncada?
He is only under control for this year and next unless you think he’ll sign an extension I’d temper my offer. .
terry g;
Yes, everyone is missing this.
The kids posting on here think that MLB is rotisserie league and all that matters is the coming season.
No one is trading their top prospects for a 2-year rental that has an injury history.
@Samuel: 2yrs is not a rental. He’s also wanting to extend similar to many pitchers who want to first lock tens of millions (eg. 4/60 in lieu of 2 dirt cheap years-still cheap relative to market rate now for older guys with less ability). TJS also has sadly become a rite of passage. He’s at a perfect 2.5yrs removed from it and no riskier than other SPs.
There would be zero reason to pay such high salaries/multiple years for UFAs if someone like Crochet was available for 2nd tier prospects/nothing that stings.
cwsOverhaul;
I have no idea what you’re making up here. Are you proud of this?
He’s a two year rental. Period.
He’s under team control for 2 years. If he doesn’t agree with the team holding his rights on a contract, he can go to arbitration.
If he doesn’t want to report to a team that trades for him, then he won’t play or get a salary.
1 year or less is a “rental”……and it’s no secret he would like a contract extension. That’s ideal for a SP entering prime age years.
If it’s a rental do as Blockbuster say, please be kind, rewind!
I don’t think this is even in the realm of what it would take to get Crochet…
Hoping for a package from the Cubs, especially if it includes Alcantara, or the O’s, but I think they’ll continue to overvalue their prospects. So long as Getz doesn’t get fleeced again and the return is position-player based, I’ll be content.
Content with content, eh?
Haha, just saying that there are probably a dozen teams for which I could put together a package that seems fair and addresses both sides needs. Sox need high-end position player prospects and have holes almost everywhere, so putting together such deals isn’t that challenging if another team has such prospects.
My preference would be prospects from the Orioles and Cubs. Yankees don’t have the prospects to get it done in my opinion.
Must be I don’t know, an issue of say luck with Yankee prospects? Or would you say something else?
Yankees overvalue some of their prospects in my opinion. Spencer Jones is their big prospect and he’s middling from what it looks like. The best prospect that the Yankees have developed in recent times has been Judge. Volpe is still too soon to judge but he needs to have a better season in 2025.
jones needs to take a big step forward this season. there’s a list of impact pitchers the yankees have lost out on by hugging him
Would be funny if it was prospects of Cubs AND Orioles. And then abscond with the proceeds before either-both become the wiser
In more than 600 ABs, Salas numbers haven’t been good but he’s so young.
Is Crochet ready to pitch in the postseason? He made a big stink last year about not pitching in October.
With only 2 years of club control remaining, how valuable is this guy? He’s really good! But he also just threw a career high 146 IP. So it begs the question, what do you give up for the guy?
I wouldn’t do Jackson Holiday straight up but I think a top 51-100 prospect along with some solid MLB ready players should be good. Chi Sox want to maximize their return but at some point there’s only so much prospect capital you can spend.
For my Giants, I’d take Benintendi back in the trade and give up Ramos and Whisenhunt, TO START. Eldridge would be a non starter but plenty of other prospects to make it enticing.
Gonna take a Top 1-25 MLB prospect plus a minor piece or 2. Crochet is a stud. Period. He saw no reason to up his career IP last year unless he was taken care of financially which is absolutely fair.
Its called showing attitude.
It’s a business transaction. The commitment has to go both ways. If a playoff team wanted him to risk his future, then they should be willing their future also.
The cubs aren’t trading Shaw or Cassie
They are both in the starting lineup next year
How about Triantos,Wicks and Rojas ??
Hoyer is willing to trade Caissie in the right deal, but they will NOT move Shaw or PCA.
And no way you’re proposed deal gets it done. Getz wants 2 blue chippers from the Cubs due to the risk of trading Crochet to their rivals. Trade probably won’t happen.
Caissie and Cam Smith is a deal I’d love to see as a White Sox fan.
No thanks pass.
I would rather the Cubs bot overpay for Crochet. The white Sox will want to start with Owen Caissie. For me he’s on the short list of untouchables. The kid is gonna be special. And the Cubs needs to keep him if they find a taker for Belli. Who I think they should keep.
The Cubs bot prolly would overpay
Disappointed that the Red Sox are not one of the teams with serious interest. I assume the cost is too high but they need to keep that door open just in case they don’t get any of the major free agent pitchers. Pitching is going to be the key and hopefully the desire to stay in the Soto race doesn’t cost them on other potential game changers.
If the Cubs are set with that rotation, it’s going to be a long year.
Salas is going to get dealt. I like the kid but I don’t think he’ll be the player many envision.
I think the Padres sign both Kim’s, Ha and Hye. And maybe invite Wendell Kim to be a special instructor to show they mean business. Hahaha
That’s a top ten rotation easily. Especially considering the Cubs have Brown ,Wicks and Howard to cover any spot/ extra rest starts. Probably top five.
Welp, Caissie’s untouchable so I guess it’s time to move on. Can’t wait to see him roaming our RF for the next 6+ seasons.
Padres should not trade Salas or De Vries. Geez, Salas might make the 26 man roster this year (see J Merrill), considering how thin the Padres are catcher (Campy has been known to pretty much suck).
Salas is horrible in A+ ball. He isn’t seeing the majors for awhile. Trade him now before he plummets out of the draft rankings.
Yeah, the 18 year old didn’t lead the league in hitting. Except he was the best defensive catcher in the league, so there’s that.
Well he actually declined defensively this last year if you really followed him. He is not the best defensive catcher in the league.
I followed him, attended 6 of his games. He’s special defensively. Hard to fathom that you’re writing him off at age 18
Rojas, Triantos and a pick off of the top 100. Crochet is a ace but not a proven one yet.
Shaw and PCA are non starters. Ballestroes and Caissie would have to start to get Roberts in the talks.
Orioles
No way. Adell primarily a bust. Other 2 not blue chippers. Pass.
Need players with a full 6 yrs going back to the WS. Angels just don’t have the capital.
Braves or Cardinals?
If the Yankees trade Jones now, they should have traded him at the deadline. He would have made a difference in the WS.
Getz and the White Sox should wait until the tor feee agent pitchers are off the board. At that point I the teams that miss out on the guys might get desperate. I find it hard to believe that the Red Sox wouldn’t be the in mix and probably could put together a package that would be very attractive and tough for any other team to beat. If Boston misses on tor free agent acquisitions they are going to pivot hard they have a ton prospect talent. I’ll be shocked if Getz trades him until most of the free agents shake out but it is the White Sox so you never know.
Shocked, shocked!
I don’t think CWS would entertain that.
Crochet & Sean Burke for Abreu, Roman Anthony & Braden Montgomery. Could that get it done?
I’d make that trade if I were the White Sox.
lol from Red Sox no chance, no way, no how.
Prospects are suspects. This is a win win if the Red Sox get Burke too.
The Red Sox aren’t trading Anthony.
You wouldn’t get Anthony for that, let alone adding Abreu & Montgomery.
The more this trade talk about Crochet drags out, the more I feel like the Sox are going to either get fleeced or get stuck with him.
Might as well take Bohm off the Phillies hands.
You’d think as badly as the O’s could use a starter that they’d part with either Basallo or Mayo. I wouldn’t trade Mayo myself.
Mayo is every bit of the player Roman Anthony is.
Hard to find a dance partner on this one
TIGERS will get in and sneak Crochet out of Chicago. Watch!
Sincerely doubt it will be an in-division trade.
Jung and Dingler will do it!
Hopefully they don’t but if they did it doesn’t sound like that would be enough to feed the Sox appetite.
Part of my wants to see Crochet get out of the Southside so we can see him blossom for a team that is going somewhere. The other part of me wants him to get soft and fuzzy in the crisper like veggies that have been long forgotten. (Mostly bc Getz’ ask is kind of absurd.)
Nice visual, oh crap, now realized haven’t opened crisper for months. Very afraid
Two hopefully healthy years of Crochet are not worth pillaging your farm system unless you’re one solid starting pitcher away from WS contention.
Going to Dodgers!
Who isn’t?
Exactly!
I don’t see the appeal of Spencer Jones. Joey Gallo light.
Joey Gallo light? Ewww. Is that like Natural Light?
Crochet is a bum – pass
lmao sure bart
Is this a bit?
Keep Crochet and trade Getz- would be the Greatest news for Sox Fans!!!
Right ! He’s not competent enough to trade crochet !
Sounds like the Sox are enamored with the Reds prospect Sal Stewart…. A package deal with Crochet & Robert Jr would make sense, especially if the Reds can figure out a way to dump Candelario to make the dollars more palatable on their end….
This is laughable. Starting unfounded rumors. Sal Stewart and Jemier Candelario (who would make no sense for the white sox) for not 1 but BOTH of the sox best players. When you wake up from your dream let us all know!
I didn’t say Candelario and Stewart would be who they traded…
They’re been reports they like Stewart…. He could be part of the package…
Probably a package more like Stewart, Lowder, Benson & low level prospect would be needed & then they would need to to dump Candelario in separate transaction for the money to work out for the Reds
Forgive my fellow red fan lol. I’ll pick up where he left off
Robert
Crochet
Candelario (salary dump to offset the Robert)
Stewart or collier
Petty
Arroyo
Then 2 more mid level prospects
Uh. Wot?
Boston sure is in a good position with all their young talent coming up! Crochet would make a perfect red sox starter – can you imagine him and houck just blowing all the hitters away?! They could get this done, if they so desired.
Nice fit for the Red Socks and your studied fandom deserves him. He’s got Sale stuff and command without the Edward Scissorhand anger mgmt issues.
I don’t think they would be too far off there, I like Detmers more than Dana. Throw in Mickey Moniak and Id make that trade.
Cubs offer Wicks, Triantros, Alcantara and Rojas for Crochet
If true, they can have him. That’s too much for Crochet
That feels like an overpay but those guys are pretty much all blocked. Hopefully that’s the type of deal that Hoyer would make with another team.
It’s not enough that Getz has destroyed the Sox. Now he’s considering twisting the knife even further by putting our best player in cubs pajamas.
65, Getz didn’t destroy SOX. Hahn, Williams, and the chairmen destroyed the Sox.
You’re both right. Like the stoner in the Miller Lite commercial disrupting the impending ballpark fight between the gang led by 70s Big Syringy and the Posadais-littlbeyatches “It is both! It is both!” It’s both.
Wait, he has to wear pajamas? The onesies with feet on them?
i pray for whoever is traded to whitesox in return for crochet
especially if its a prospect
holy hell thats the worst place you can play right now and for the foreseeable future
It would be very WSox to bite on Mayer as a headliner with him already having durability issues. Please look elsewhere.
That’s crazy ! He’s way more valuable than crochet one for one.
I call fake news on the Mayer being included in any deal for Crochet as the majority of Red Sox beat writers have said their interest in Crochet is tepid at best.
I read he Globe every day, and I haven’t seen a single reporter suggest the Sox are “tepid” on Crochet.
it’s literally above in this article that the red sox are on the periphery. Hence tepid interest.
And now it is:
“What’s more, Morosi suggests that the Red Sox are “more willing” to listen on top shortstop prospect Marcelo Mayer than previously believed and could become a more significant factor in Crochet’s trade market ”
I seriously doubt that any writer knows what level of interest teams have in other players. Breslow is not sharing corporate secrets with Morosi.
That could change now that Soto is off the table. Every non-Mets team that was in on him now has to pivot.
Reds would more likely to be interested in Robert jr, I’d think. Crochet would be an upgrade, no doubt… but a rotation of Greene, Singer, Lodolo, Martinez and Lowder isn’t exactly a glaring weakness.
That leaves Andrew Abbott, Connor Phillips, Graham Ashcraft, Chase Burns and Chase Petty waiting in Louisville, or the bullpen.
Reds need a big bat in the outfield. Either an every day lefty (or righty/switch), or a big numbers platoon righty.
Crochet isn’t the big move to make IMO.
Lodolo is going to the pen
So is Ashcraft. I can get down with that completely.
I hope Francona leads reds out of the Stone Age. You control innings by letting guys like ashcraft pitch behind an opener. Let someone with a different style get the first 3 outs then let ashcraft work through those guys the second time around then pull him before a 3rd
I really think Ashchraft would shine as a middle reliever. Max effort. 2-3 innings.
Starting at the big league level seemed to wear him a lot. He was a stud early, but that arm wore out sooner than later. Unless you get him on Michael Lorezens arm workout, he just didn’t seem to have the longevity we need out of a starter, or even long relief. We need a rotation that has a strong 5, without using openers, and throwing a bullpen game, and at least 2 arms that can step in and go to work anytime from AAA.
Red Sox trade for Crochet
Red Sox trade for Cease
Red Sox sign Burnes
Rotation starting to look really really good all of a sudden heading into the season.
I doubt the Padres are trading cease but I honestly take him over Crochet.
Opposite Crochet over Cease
nope. I’ll take the guy who’s been consistent as a starter.
Who’s been a consistent no show in the playoffs
how many times has Crochet pitched in the playoffs let alone an entire season
But Cease has been a consistent disappointment in the playoffs – so not an ace – but a solid #3 / #4 on a good club
Glad you asked. Garret has a perfect 0.00 E.RA in 4 relief outings in the playoffs. Cease has a glorious 12.91 E.RA in 4 appearances, with a total of 6.2 innings in 3 playoff starts. Not averaging 6.2. 6.2 innings total. Did not make it out of the 2nd inning in 2 of his 3 starts. Crochet averages almost as many innings out of the bullpen in the playoffs as Cease has as a starter.
that’s an apples to oranges comparison. Essentially we don’t know how well crochet pitches in the playoffs as a starter.
Yankees… I’d give up Spencer Jones for Crochett but that’s not nearly enough. I don’t think the Yanks have the prospect package to do it.
Honestly if Jones weren’t similar in size to Aaron Judge there would be almost no buzz about him at all as a prospect. His numbers as he’s climbed in the minors have continued to diminish. Last year in AA he couldn’t even crack an .800 OPS.
Dear AJ,
DON’T DO IT.
He took that as a dare…and will do it tomorrow morning.
E z trade if they take Salas. SD will jump all over that !
Increasingly loud rumors from multiple sports news pages/youtubes etc that Soto has made his decision and it could be announced/leaked tonight.
Ooh maybe the Mets
White Sox have a knack for sniffing out and targeting your prospect busts. Getz is about to get worked over and everybody should want a piece.
You’re not wrong and that is a pretty funny visual
Wouldn’t mind the Reds landing him. Despite having about 8 starters already, you can never have too much pitching.
Well, unless it means never adding anything to the offense.
Over rated clap clap clap clap clap
Sox stunted his development by limiting his pitch count.
Yeah 200+ KS in 140 relatively clean innings shore is overrated. Compare contrast Dylan Cease and his 4 inning outings, usually after maxing put near 100 pitches.
Much as my O’s need healthy reliable starting pitching (I wish I could count on Wells, Means and Bradish) Crochet is a high risk high reward guy to go for. 219 Innings in his 4 year career, I’m not sure this is the guy you trade some really good prospects for at this juncture. He’s still young and controllable, but do you risk it on a guy who hasn’t been completely healthy when you have already been snake-bitten by injuries to your starting pitching? Personally, I wouldn’t but I’m not Mike Elias.
Enjoy more 1st round exits Os management. And then in 3-5 years, watch that window start to narrow, then shut.
Red Sox won’t add him bc it’s a need. I doubt highly that they have ANY kind of meaningful acquisition/s during the Winter meetings let alone the entire offseason. Freaking Chapman will be their “big get” and the idiot ownership group will hang their da*m hat on it to boot.
Pods should offer Salas for Crochet. Window of contending for post-seaon is closing as they lose Cease and King to FA after 2025. They ain’t spending on serious free agents
The current BoSox remind me of Dec 2015. Loaded with hitting prospects — need pitching. DD traded Moncada, Kopech & Margot with 7 or 8 prospects no one remembers resulting in 3 ALE Titles — including the 2018 WS champ. He kept Betts, Bogey, Bradley, Devers , Beni etc.
Breslow must identify what he can afford to give up. There aren’t enough roster spots for all of them. If he knows his players the Sox will be able to compete.
I really hope the Sox don’t pull the trigger on Crochet, everything there screams ticking time bomb (while i know that can be said of any pitcher). I’d rather they sign Burnes or trade for Castillo instead
Cub Sox trade would be great, not only the bevy of position player prospects but a win win for the fans.
Soon as Angels call, run away from the phone screaming with laughter
The news of Soto signing for more than Ohtani was shocking but even more shocking was the report that the Red Sox offered 15 years for $700 Million which is an AAV of 46.67 Million nearly $11Million more than what Mookie wanted in 2021 roughly 4 years ago and the owners said no way.
The Red Sox bid has to be the equivalent of tossing your credit card on the table suggesting you’ll pay after you know someone else already paid. It looks like a grand gesture but it really wasn’t, it was a well played deception.
Mayer and Braden Montgomery for Crochet. Let’s get it done!
I feel like Sox want volume for Crochet, so a system with a few 50-55+ may be better than the one 60+ prospect and a couple of lower end. That’s why I think the Mets may be in on this. They could offer two 55+ and two 50+ bc their system is deep without a superstar.
Not a chance in Hades that the Cubs will trade PCA or Shaw.