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Cubs Retain Aramis Ramirez

Wow - an about face on everything we've heard lately about Aramis Ramirez.  I was just reading about this complete failure and nodding.  Ken Rosenthal reports that the Cubs have re-signed Ramirez. The deal is for five years and $73MM, a significant hometown discount.  There's also a mutual option for 2012, his age 34 season.

Did you know 34.6% of Ramirez's batted balls were flyballs in both 2005 and 2006?  You learn something every day.  Talk about consistency.

The Cubs re-signed Kerry Wood as well.  He got a deal that could reach $6MM if he meets various bullpen and health related incentives.

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I can honestly say this has made my day. :)

Doesn't really matter.

Cubs are going to finish behind St Louis, Houston, and possibly a team like the Reds or the Brewers. They're going nowhere yet again.

I'm glad to see this. Not a Cubs fan, but I didn't want Ramirez going to the Angels. This is good news.

Roto, a bit off topic but what do you think of an Adam Dunn to Detroit for Robertson, Ledezma, and either Jurrjens or Clevlen deal?

As a Cubs fan, I am ecstatic. Especially if it's close to $70 mil.

Rosenthal's article makes Hendry's job sound impossible...but it's not.

He signs a 2B. Big deal, there are a million of them out there. Grab Adam Kennedy, you might have the best defensive middle infield in baseball. Sign Miguel Batista accordingly as the #4.

Chase down a solid #2 at $10-12mil annually; this can be done.

CF could be a tough one but to me that's the major hurdle. I would still like to see one more big-time bat in the lineup.

Wow! That is shocking. I wonder if the Angels, who were now able to talk money today, wouldn't pony up for the combo of big $ and lots of years? Or maybe there are massive incentives in the Cubs offer?

I wonder why ARam likes the Cubs so much--not being faceitious here, just trying to understand. The Cubs don't project to be as good as the Angels or other interested parties next year, and rosters turn over so quickly that I can't imagine "loyalty" being an issue with 99% of big league players. You never know who management will be in the future either.

"A Cubs source of mine tells me that Hendry offered the original six year, $90MM contract that agent Paul Kinzer wanted."

So does this mean you disregard everything this 'source' says from now on? Or was the source right and A-Ram just doesn't like 20 million dollars.

Gatling, that doesn't seem like nearly enough for Dunn. Compared to the Sheffield package, the Reds could get more. A major Sanchez-level prospect must be included.

In listening to the Sheffield conference call I'd say any more major acquisitions for the Tigers would be highly unlikely.

Figured someone would point that out Arod...at this point I don't know what to tell ya. Seems pretty obvious that a 6/90 offer did not happen, so maybe I have to doubt the source.

Then again, weren't all the papers saying Ramirez turned down 5/75? I am not sure if some bad info here makes the source crap.

i like the move, im a huge cubs fan, but do u think the will sign alfoso soriano? i would like to see a trade for bill hall he could play second and he has pretty good speed and great power. with alfonso and bill hall they would be a gret upgrade? Is any one of those a possibility?

If in fact true-this is huge. I'll wait to see it on the Cubs site. Glad we didn't have to pay an extra $2-3MM dollars/yr either.

Now, Hendry's off to a decent start. Still alot to do, but this is great b/c he can go into the meetings focused on free agents outside of the club.

Time to go after Matthews Jr, Lee, 2B and a couple of pitchers.

they signed kerry wood to a 1 year deal

i saw it on ESPN news. five year deal but they didnt say the dollars. they also said the cubs signed kerry wood to a one year deal.

I am with alot of you. To sign Rameriz for 6-7 years for that much money sounded like a big rish to me. The last couple of years he has had problems and needed days off or been on the DL. If you sign him for that long then if something happens and we are not in a good position. Granted Aram was great and very good with the bat but also he had some flaws playing the field that caused runs that he couldn't make up.
Bottom line is Hendry please make us proud with this free agent season and bring us some good players. If you ever wanted to shine this would be a GREAT year to show what you have.

I'd like to see the Cubs get Ray Durham and maybe just patch CF for a year with Dave Roberts. Then use more dollars on pitching.

Any expert estimates on the market for Durham?

i'm a cards fan, and i'm also happy the cubs overpaid for a guy that sucked when it mattered, then turned it on after the cubs were pretty much eliminated from any chance of making the playoffs. keep it up, cubbies :)

" it was believed to be for at least $70 million"

This doesn't mean the other sources are wrong. I have a feeling its for significantly more than 70 million.

Not seeing the Kerry Wood info on ESPN...

still think they get igawa?

BTW, what is up with ESPN not giving credit to rosenthal? TSN routinely credits ESPN when they break a story...

still think they get igawa?

bigJOEstl-Pujols helped you guys alot in the WS.....shut your pie hole.

I could see Igawa...plenty of options for that #4ish starter though.

are the cubs intrested at all in alfonso soriano? He would be a great fit in center field

ESPN.com has the story on the Wood signing.

I wonder if the Cubs put a bid on that Japanese 3B as a 2B/CF or as a "10th man" like Pinella had in Seattle with Mark McLemore?

Hey Roto- What do you think about the Cubs signing J.D. Drew? I think he would be a perfect fit for the Cubs. You could play him in center until Pie is ready, and then you could move him to right and trade Jones. He's a left handed bat, and he gets on base like crazy. I also think that his power numbers would improve at Wrigley as opposed to LA. What kind of effect do you think the Aramis signing has on these chances?

Would love, love, love a Drew signing and the Cubs do fine with Boras clients. But, the A-Ram signing does shrink the chances as you said. This would be another $12MM player, an injury prone one to boot.

What about Kerry? Did he sign? I can't find it anywhere.

jball......he sure did. had a homer, and an OBP of .400. he didn't have many rbi opps and therefore didn't get much to hit. also played stellar D.

Got it. Sweet. Sounds good. I've been saying for 3 years he should be a reliever. I hope we let him get as healthy as possible- even if that means waiting past the start of '07 before we let him pitch. I think he's gonna be a beast out of the pen.

Roto - just because it's a five year deal worth around 70/75MM doesn't mean that it won't be close to 6/90. All depends on the final amount including the vesting year. So your source may be more credible than he/she is being given credit for.

I'd love a Drew signing as well. Not sure if the Cubs want to spend that much cash on an injury-prone guy. Either way if they want to contend next year they are more than likely going to have to give out at least 1 or 2 more 12+ million dollar contracts.

Wood signed, isn't anything major, and anyone expecting anything out of him is going to be sad come 2007.

Someone mentioned that the Cubs offseason work isn't as hard as people think - Sign a number 4 and number 2 starter, a 2B, and a CF. Give me a break. Do you have any idea how many teams are in the hunt for a number 2 (Schmidt), and a number 4 (Batista/Lilly)? And as for 2B's, the Sox may need one, the Mets may need one, and the Padres may need one. So to say they can just go in and take Kennedy, or another one of the more known 2B's (like Loretta), as if it's nothing, is really ridiculous. It's going to be an extremely hard offseason for the Cubs, and I personally don't see them going too far in that division next year.

This is true, but it doesn't appear that 6/90 was offered and turned down. I do still like the source though.

I think a Drew signing would be a huge step in the right direction. He'd be passable in CF, and great if RF as soon as Pie is ready. His .400 OBP is more than welcome in front of DLee and ARam. I'd honestly take Drew before Soriano or Carlos Lee.

The Cubs still have plenty of money to spend, and Hendry usually overpays to get his guys. I'm not worried about 2B and the rotation should be OK. Money can go a long way to fixing things.

Give ME a break Guardo. 2Bmen are a dime a dozen this offseason. Kennedy, Loretta, Aurilia, Durham just to name a few. There's no way the Cubs miss out on all of those guys if they really do want one of them. Whoever they get, I hope its just one year because I'm a believer in Eric Patterson and I think by '08 he's ready.

Roto Authority -

I'm confused by your comments. I love that the Cubs were able to re-sign Ramirez, but as of right now they are exactly back to where they were at the end of the season. And they stunk last year in case people have already forgotten.

In my opinion they should forget about secondbase and let Cedeno, Patterson, and Theroit battle it out. Why waste money on secondbase again when we've already got three guys, of which at least one should be able to be productive (Theroit).

We MUST get one more big bat...that is the key. Forget about Sorriano. I'm sick of the all or nothing type of players. Carlos Lee is the perfect fit for this team. His defense is good, his k:BB ratio is good, and he can hit at Wrigley Field! Hendry MUST do whatever it takes to sign him.

If we can sign Roberts to play center fairly cheaply I'd say do it. But we need someone to bat leadoff and it is going to need to come from our centerfielder! Hendry messed up our leadoff spot for a few years and is now right back to square one.

As for the pitching, I say go get Lilly and then look to trade for a #2. Not sure who might be available, but I am sure there is someone we can get. Offer up Pie, Marshall, Harvey, Murton, and any other rookies of value. Schmidt and Zito would be nice but they would demand too much money along with our first round draft pick.

And I've been thinking that a White Sox/Cubs trade could work. Any chance the Sox would be interested in Howry and/or Eyre along with Marshall for McCarthy?

Just a few of my thoughts.

Cubs did some dumb stuff last winter that almost can't help but be corrected.

1. Rely on Prior
2. Acquire Juan Pierre

Don't forget to add in a healthy D-Lee and improvements at 2B and CF (it'd be almost impossible not to improve at those positions).

I'd love to have Drew as well. 2B shouldn't be an issue-I'd splash with Drew ASAP if I were Hendry-the question is, do you want Drew or Gary Matthews Jr?

Drew would take care of another power bat AND the CF.

I'd actually like to give Theriot a chance at 2B and platoon Izturis/Cedeno at SS.

1. Theriot
2. Murton
3. Drew
4. Lee
5. A-Ram
6. Jones
7. Barrett
8. Izturis
9. Pitcher

JD Drew sucks, forget about him and get alfonso soriano. Dave Roberts sucks too. That is not what the cubs need the cubs need one thing and thats alfonso soriano!

Hendry will probably get Carlos Lee, Adam Kennedy, and Dave Roberts, plus trade some of thos extra second baseman for a pitcher.to me this is the lineup i see

1.Dave Roberts CF
2.Adam Kennedy 2B
3.Carlos Lee LF
4.Aramis Ramirez 3B
5.Derrek Lee 1B
6.Jacque Jones RF
7.Michael Barrett C
8.Ceasar Izturis SS
9.Pitcher

I'd take Carlos Lee too, depends in if he really wants to play in Chicago.

While it is just a projection, the new Bill James Handbook has Matt Murton and Carlos Lee with identical .864 OPS for 2007. The James' book often overshoots on rookies, but does a much better job at projecting guys who have had 500 big league AB's.

Carlos Lee will be bloated and ineffective by the end of a 4 or 5 year deal. Murton may not be as good in 2007, but I'd much rather have him in LF in 2008 and beyond than Carlos Lee and his "old player skills."

Patience...Murton will be a 25-homer 40+ doubles guy very soon. Upgrade at CF, RF or 2B before messing with LF.

07 Opening Day Line Up:

1.Alfonso Soriano CF
2.Bill Hall 2B *from trade
3.Aramis Ramirez 3B
4.Derek Lee 1B
5.Jacque Jones RF
6.Micheal Barrett C
7.Matt Murton LF
8.Cesar Izturis SS
9.Carlos Zambrano P

Nuge -

2B's are a dime a dozen. Okay. And how many of them are really good options? Loretta? Yea, and he's probably a Padre, Met, or Sox. Kennedy? He's a possibility. Who else? Aurillia? You think he's a good option? Durham? You really want that guy?

The 2B class is weak, with two or three good ones at the top of the class; If your not going to sign anyone named Loretta or Kennedy, you might as well stick with Cedeno.

And Cubfan, you really think the White Sox would make a deal like that for McCarthy? It's going to take a lot more than that to get a 22 year old pitcher off of their hands; They'd be much more willing to talk about one of the 5 starters they already have.

And Cubs, point out how Dave Roberts sucks. You wouldn't want 45 stolen bases at the top of the order?

I think every Cub fan here is dreaming just a bit too much. They'll probably end up signing one middle of the road starter (Lilly or Batista), and won't do much at 2nd because of what they already have. Just let Murton play LF for god sakes, you'll never know what he can do if you just throw 65 million at Carlos Lee. This team is still a year away from truely being contenders, so I wouldn't make any huge splashes like I'm hearing.

Sorriano is one of the more over-rated players in the game. He is by no means a lead-off hitter based on his 160 strike outs last season. And he is going to demand a lot more money and years then Carlos Lee probably will. I'd much prefer Lee over Sorriano, but who are we kidding. This is the Cubs and we still have Jim Hendry as our GM. Last I checked that combo didn't do real well in filling our needs the past few off-seasons.

Dude...the Brewers aren't trading Bill Hall to anyone, especially the Cubs.

Dave Roberts does suck hes a hag. Sign soriano and he will give ur 40+ homers and 40+ stolen bases. the brewers would trade bill hall they dont have anywere to put him.

roto -- thanks for the mention (i think -- lol) but i modified the title of the post (and a lot else) and broke your link. as the risk of self-promotion but to avoid seeming to delete the post:

http://1060west.blogspot.com/2006/11/moment-of-failure-success.html

gotta hand it to hendry here -- it was trade him at the deadline or sign him, and he signed him. i would have preferred the other route, all else considered, but if you are really going to take an improbable stab at turning a 66-win team into an 88-win team, you can't let aramis walk.

Sounds like the Brew Crew is putting Hall in LF and shopping Jenkins instead. Hall is too valuable in case a player goes down or Hardy flames out.

HOW does Dave Roberts suck. Show me some proof that makes him a "hag". He scored 80 runs, had 13 triples, and 49 SB's with 6 just caught stealing. Oh, and by the way, he batted .293 with a .360 OBP. Yeah. Dave Roberts is a hag. Right. Still waiting on where you come up with that thought.

As I said earlier-Drew is probably the best choice (although risky). Good power bat, good OBP, could play CF and would come cheaper than Soriano/Lee, etc. I'm sure he would have 30 HR in Wrigley.

That leaves a little bit more cash to go after pitching and perhaps a 2B.

To all those debating 2B, you're forgetting about DaRosa......

Why would you want roberts in the line up hes almost 40 like i said forget him and get soriano

Hey, Rotoauthority. Have you done projections for 2007 on Murton and Carlos Lee yet? What's your take?

your saying u would rather have roberts than soriano that a no brainer soriano

cubs-they are not going to spend on Soriano. Get over it. Why go $18-$19MM a year when you can get Drew for about $12 or $13 max? Drew is a better option than soriano or roberts in CF.

Drew sucks.you guys are not real cub fans. they will get soriano so get over drew and roberts.

Cubs, get off Alfonso's nuts.

Anyway yeah it would be good to project those two soon. I will. Though I don't usually do OBP or SLG so it will be less helpful than the pitcher ones.

The Cubs will not sign Soriano. Stop being so ignorant here. It's plain and simple, he's going to want 100 + million to sign for a team. Do you really expect them to go out, sign him for that kind of money, then add one or two quality starters? That's simply not going to happen. He'll end up in a team like San Fran or the Mets, somewhere like that. If you're holding your breath waiting for a big announcement on Soriano to the Cubs, I'd exhale.

Oh, and I wasn't aware that Roberts was "almost" 40. Last I heard, being born in 1972 made you 36. But, if you want to say that is "almost" 40, then go for it. Just remember - If you sign Roberts, you're talking about a one or maybe two year commitment, at about 40 + SB's a year.

I'm not a real Cubs fan? I hate the Cubs, and think the whole team is a joke. Thats why I've said more than once that they're not going anywhere in 2007. If you were a true Cubs fan, you wouldn't be so 110% sure about a Soriano deal being done.

Maybe you want Soriano - But the deal has to make sense when you sign a player. You're talking about a 6 or 7 year deal for a guy that, by the end of that contract, will probably not have the wheels he has now, and his defensive ability will go downhill even more than it already is, with no option to place him at DH, if he's with the Cubs or another NL team.

Stop saying dumb things. Drew sucks? What makes Drew sucks? Is he almost 40 too? What do you base a player being a "hag" or "sucking"? It's obvious that you simply want Soriano, and no one else. You will not accept anything less. So again I'll ask, explain why JD Drew "sucks" and explain why Dave Roberts, besides the fact that he's 36, and not "almost 40" is a "hag".

Oh, and finally, please explain where you came up with being so sure about Soriano to the Cubs.

im not saying that they are gong to sign him, but i think they might. drew is never healthy, roberts wouldnt be a good fit, carlos lee is going to suck after a few years. so soriano will be a good fit for the cubs not roberts, drew, the cubs are not going to sign carlos lee or roberts.

Let's just all ignore "cubs" ignorant posts and move on. No logic behind his statements.

Drew was healthy in '05 and '06, correct? Can't remember.....

Nonetheless-Drew would be a good fit. I like previous post-put him in CF, move him to RF when Pie is ready and trade Jones (if Pie is ready in '08).

Drew also saves more money vs. Lee and Soriano to go after other needs.

Some of you guys are just nuts with your posts. First of all, Sorriano would cost a boat load to sign...he's a bad defender, and he's not a leadoff hitter. I'd love to have Drew, but let's not forget who his agent is. If you think he is "only" going to be asking for 12 million per season you are mistaken.

Roberts is a logical choice for the Cubs. Yes, he is a tad old but based on last season he still has a few good seasons in him.

And for the last time, Carlos Lee is a must!

But again, this is the Cubs and Jim Hendry. Talking about this stuff is one thing. But nothing ever seems to get done, so don't hold your breath.

You're not saying they're going to get him? Let's go back and look at what you said earlier:

"they will get soriano so get over drew and roberts."

That doesn't suggest that they might get him. That says that they WILL get Soriano, as in, the Cubs will dish out the 100 + million dollar contract to Soriano. Make sure you keep your thoughts togteher.

You don't base any of what you say on certain things. You just say random things. If Drew is NEVER healthy this year, why did he play in over 140 games this year, with 100 RBI's? If Roberts wouldn't be a good fit, why not? They could use a lead off hitter, and he would be perfect to fit that bill. What makes Soriano the perfect fit? The Cubs already have two right handed mashers, D-Lee and Ramirez. Add a nice left handed speedster at the top of your order for a year or two, and you're talking small money, quick commitment, and a near guarentee for 30 + SB's. That is why I think Soriano would not be a good fit for the Cubs, and why I believe Roberts would. Now I'm still waiting for the explaination saying otherwise.

Hey, if the Cubs do infact sign Soriano, I will be completely surprised. And you know what, maybe it will happen, maybe it will not. My personal belief is that he will sign elsewhere; signing with the Cubs would mean quite a nasty 3-4-5 combo of all right handed hitters, and would be extremely troublesome for the rest of the division. But IN MY OPINION, I simply feel that the Cubs don't need to spend all that money on him, when they already have two guys with power potential to hit 35 + and drive in 120 +. If they don't have a true leadoff hitter supporting D-Lee and Ramirez, then that is exactly where the team will start with their problems.

'Grab Adam Kennedy, you might have the best defensive middle infield in baseball.'

Jose Reyes and Jose Valentin were something like 30 runs above average.

'Chase down a solid #2 at $10-12mil annually; this can be done.'
Barry Zito will take a whole lot more than $12MM, especially with the Mets and Yankees losing out on Matsuzaka.

'CF could be a tough one but to me that's the major hurdle. I would still like to see one more big-time bat in the lineup.'

Sarge Jr. could be a nice fit, yeah?

'Don't forget to add in a healthy D-Lee and improvements at 2B and CF (it'd be almost impossible not to improve at those positions).'

An optimistic Cubs fan... who knew those existed?

I'd take Roberts and Drew, platooning Murton and Jones in LF.

I'm not so sure about Lee....concerned about his weight.....plus, he would probably cost more than Drew.

I realize Boras is working for Drew, but I can't imagine Drew would get more than A-Ram (figure to be determined yet) or Lee, which seem to be going for about $15MM per year.

I dunno man I'd still take Izturis/Kennedy.

I am thinking less than Zito for a #2. Wolf/Padilla type.

Yeah I like Sarge Jr. for 'em.

I can be bipolar...sometimes I hate 'em but sometimes I see the light.

if they dont get soriano they should go after gary matthews jr. hes a left handed bat and an all star. hes a good lead off man. forget about adam kennedy get ray durham hes a little old but he put up descent numbers last year.but i would like to see them go after soriano

Roto-cubs.com is saying the deal for A-Ram is 5/73, and the Wood deal is 1.75MM.

'I dunno man I'd still take Izturis/Kennedy.'

That's fine, but if Hendry or any other GM is reading this, Valentin is a spectacular defensive second baseman. Seriously. His glove is worth 2-3 wins.

'I am thinking less than Zito for a #2. Wolf/Padilla type.'

I don't like Padilla at 4/40MM and Wolf isn't a #2 on a playoff team. He's more of a three or four.

When do we find out about Igawa? Matz? Iwamura?

Cubs -

Mattews Jr a switch hitter, not left handed.

And you say that Durham is "a little old", yet he's OLDER than Dave Roberts, a guy you blasted for being "almost 40". A little suspect there.

I can totally see the Cubs signing Matthews, just as long as they know what they're getting. I can't honestly see him putting up the numbers he put up this year. It's very suspect that in his walk year, he puts up those type of numbers. I do think he will bring very good defense to any CF, but not sure he's going to be worth the 4 year probably 40 million he signs.

Hey someone brought up The Bill James Handbook earlier and said something about Murton's projection. Whoever that was (or if anyone else has the book), would you mind posting Murton's projection because I'd really like to know. I think Murton will be one of the most cost-effective players next year. When you look at the way the last couple months of the season went for him, he showed real signs of adjustments. I see big things for him.

Cubs payroll is about $76MM right now. That leaves $34-$44MM/yr to play with if you believe the payroll numbers bantered about. That leaves us with enough for a top pitcher, Drew/Lee, a 2B and perhaps a #4 starter if we go to $120MM.

Some of you guys are making the free agency as if its a baseball video game type of free agency, lol. cubs, u got alot to learn about the free agency. Signing the free agents is not as easy as it sounds. Ive a couple of friends who are taking a sport buisiness class in college and they told me the reality of being a GM, and the knowledge a GM needs to pocess. Contract signings are very complicated to an ignorant person who has little knowledge about buisiness and quite frankly, I cant even explain the concepts a GM needs to know before he signs a free agent. Also, my friends, who r also cubs fans, also claimed its most unlikely will give Soriano that kind of $$$ and its quite illogical to sign Soriano. Think bout the OTHER HOLES IN THE TEAM, NOT JUST THAT ONE HOLE. SP SHOULD BE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, NOT HITTING. We need to sign a number three pitcher and number four pitcher such as Gil Meche, who I think will have a breakout season in 07. Signing Schmidt/Zito would be awesome, but theres too much ocmpetition the cubs have to face and Hendry needs to think OUTSIDE THE BOX, i.e., if he fails to acquire one of those two pitchers. Hendry needs to look at the pitchers like Meche, Batista, Padilla, and/or even Wolf. Its good if the cubs do offer a contract to Schmidt/Zito, but they should also keep an eye out for those pitchers ive just listed. As for Matsuzuka, Im indifferent on him considering we dont know if he'll suceed in the majors (e.g. look what happened to Nomo). The left hander Japanese pitcher (igawa, or osmething, forgive me if I mispelled his name) would be a betetr option to sign if Matsuzuka price range reaches above 25 mill a yr.

As for the hitters, I agree Roberts would be a very good solution for short terms. Also, I feel signing C. Lee would be a bit more easier than Soriano, but I know he'll get a contract similar to Aram. Its possible to sign Matthews Jr., but then again there are many other team who want Jr., and he will demand a contract that might be worth 12 mill a yr. If Hendry can sign him, great, but again, Roberts will be a solid option for leading off. As for J.D. Drew, i alwways was a fan of Drew since he was in the Cards and he will be a betetr fit than Lee or Soriano, and of course, easier to sign than Lee or Soriano. He'll have the potential to post 100 RBI's with the Cubs, but thats if he can play over 140 games.

As for 2nd base, I think its not a big priority to sign a 2nd baseman. Theroit deserves a chance to play 2nd base next yr and he did well with the Cubs this yr. He would make a solid number two hitter and is not bad in fielding the ball. Sometimes you cant always rely on the free agency to get a player and there are times you just have to role the dice with a player within your farm system. IMO, Theroit wouldnt be a bad option and he is one of the most hardworking players in the Cubs. With Lou Pinella's strong leadership, Theroit will improve, but thats if Hendry gives a chace to Theroit.

Some of you guys are making the free agency as if its a baseball video game type of free agency, lol. cubs, u got alot to learn about the free agency. Signing the free agents is not as easy as it sounds. Ive a couple of friends who are taking a sport buisiness class in college and they told me the reality of being a GM, and the knowledge a GM needs to pocess. Contract signings are very complicated to an ignorant person who has little knowledge about buisiness and quite frankly, I cant even explain the concepts a GM needs to know before he signs a free agent. Also, my friends, who r also cubs fans, also claimed its most unlikely will give Soriano that kind of $$$ and its quite illogical to sign Soriano. Think bout the OTHER HOLES IN THE TEAM, NOT JUST THAT ONE HOLE. SP SHOULD BE OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, NOT HITTING. We need to sign a number three pitcher and number four pitcher such as Gil Meche, who I think will have a breakout season in 07. Signing Schmidt/Zito would be awesome, but theres too much ocmpetition the cubs have to face and Hendry needs to think OUTSIDE THE BOX, i.e., if he fails to acquire one of those two pitchers. Hendry needs to look at the pitchers like Meche, Batista, Padilla, and/or even Wolf. Its good if the cubs do offer a contract to Schmidt/Zito, but they should also keep an eye out for those pitchers ive just listed. As for Matsuzuka, Im indifferent on him considering we dont know if he'll suceed in the majors (e.g. look what happened to Nomo). The left hander Japanese pitcher (igawa, or osmething, forgive me if I mispelled his name) would be a betetr option to sign if Matsuzuka price range reaches above 25 mill a yr.

As for the hitters, I agree Roberts would be a very good solution for short terms. Also, I feel signing C. Lee would be a bit more easier than Soriano, but I know he'll get a contract similar to Aram. Its possible to sign Matthews Jr., but then again there are many other team who want Jr., and he will demand a contract that might be worth 12 mill a yr. If Hendry can sign him, great, but again, Roberts will be a solid option for leading off. As for J.D. Drew, i alwways was a fan of Drew since he was in the Cards and he will be a betetr fit than Lee or Soriano, and of course, easier to sign than Lee or Soriano. He'll have the potential to post 100 RBI's with the Cubs, but thats if he can play over 140 games.

As for 2nd base, I think its not a big priority to sign a 2nd baseman. Theroit deserves a chance to play 2nd base next yr and he did well with the Cubs this yr. He would make a solid number two hitter and is not bad in fielding the ball. Sometimes you cant always rely on the free agency to get a player and there are times you just have to role the dice with a player within your farm system. IMO, Theroit wouldnt be a bad option and he is one of the most hardworking players in the Cubs. With Lou Pinella's strong leadership, Theroit will improve, but thats if Hendry gives a chace to Theroit.

I really like the idea of getting J.D.Drew to play center this year and then move to right once Pie is ready to play everyday. I really like the fact that it would give us 2 power hitting lefties (Drew and Jones) to hit around Lee and Ramirez. Signing Drew, however, would still mean that we need to find a lead-off hitter.

I would like to see the Cubs try to trade for Jason Jennings of the Rockies to fill the #2 spot. He would be a much less expensive alternative to Schmidt or Zito. He is younger and put up a 3.56 era in Denver this past season. It is going to be easier and cheaper to trade for pitching than to over pay for it on the free agent market.

Roto, do you think this might change the Yankees stance on trading Alex Rodriguez? The Angels seemed to be targeting A-Ram heavily, and with so little power at 3B on the market, this could change Cashman's mind....

BigZ-I agree with most of your comments, however, your statement about "Ive a couple of friends who are taking a sport buisiness class in college and they told me the reality of being a GM" is just plain laughable. College guys taking a business course are all of a sudden GMs? PLEASE!

Jennings would be a great option-what might it take to get it done? Combination of 2 of the following: Mateo/Guzman/Marshall/Ryu/Wuertz?

Im not stating they r looking towards to be a GM, lol, but THATS JUST THE THEORY OF BEING A GM. AND IM SURE THEY R NOT EXPERIENCED GMS, LOL. THE SPORT BUIEINESS CLASS IS NOT A PRACTICAL CLASS, ITS MORE THEORETICAL. ITS LIKE CHEMSITRY, YOU LEARN THE THEORY OF HOW CHEMICAL REACTIONS TAKE PLACE, BUT TRY TO MAKE THE CHEMICAL REACTION HAPPEN REQUIRES A DIFFERENT APPROACH. THEREFORE, MY FRIENDS DONT HAVE THE PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE OF A GM, BUT THE THEORETICAL KNOWLEGE.

I wonder how much theoretical knowledge it takes to turn caps lock off.

Jennings is the perfect type of pitcher. He is solid goes deep into games and wont hurt you too much money wise. The only problem is the Rockies picked up his option maybe you could trade for him but I doubt it. There aren't many value options out there but if I was the cubs these are the guys I would target and how much I think they would cost:
Roberts 2yr 13 million
Gil Meche 3 yr 30 million
Ray Durham 2 yr 16 million
Miguel Batista 3 yr 27 million

That would be a yearly expenditure of 33.5 million. It would also fill most of the Cubs holes the roster would look like this:
CF-Roberts
LF-Murton
1B-D Lee
3B-A Ram
RF-J Jones
C- M Barret
2B-Ray Durham
SS-Izturis
P- Pitcher

It would also give them a pretty good rotation as I believe Meche's stuff would work real well in the NL. Batista is a servicable #4 and some combination of Wade Miller and Sean Marshall would serve as the #5.

I think the Cubs will only be able to make the playoffs next year if a lot of things work out just right. Given that I wouldnt sign anyone to that long of a deal. Guys like Roberts and Durham will give you solid performance, some leadership and are short term committments. They should also save some money as next years free agent class is shaping up to be a lot better.

Those estimates look pretty good; do you think Batista might come a little cheaper though? Maybe you're right though.

If I were J.H. I would offer Colorado, Novoa and Ryu for Jennings.

If we were able to get Jennings, we would definately need to sign him to an extension.

We could use the money we saved on trading for Jennings to bolster the bench. We need someone with power coming off the bench. Scott Spiezio, Eduardo Perez or possibly Craig Wilson might be a good pick-up.

Kyle - Why would you over pay for those players? Roberts I can see at 2 years 6.5 million. But Meche at 3 years, 10 million per year?! Haven't we already got enough injured arms?! the guy is a huge injury risk and he has yet to prove qa thing to deserve such a contract. Let someone else take him and give me Lilly.

Durham at 2 years, 9million?! We already have 3 secondbaseman on the roster. How about using one of them instead of wasting money on a position that is not a need.


Batista I'm not sure about.

But the lineup you posted is about as bad a lineup as we had last year. We need another big bat in the middle......ie...Carlos Lee. ARAM has already proven he can't carry this team if Lee goes down again.

Why is everyone against Theriot? Give the kid a chance-I think he could lead off-maybe not steal bases, but get on quite a bit.

I think we need one more big bat, therefore I'd go Drew, Meche, Igawa/Batista/Jennings (via trade), and then see where we stand.

Theroit was only the best hitter in our line-up the last month of the season. It only makes sense that the kid isn't given a chance....that is the Cub way now, isn't it? And he did prove he could steal bases as well and play a solid defense. As a matter of fact, he was probably the only player on the team who proved anyting last year. And he is only making 300k. So sure, let's go out and sign another expensive secondbaseman when that is the least of our concerns. It makes perfect sense....

Seriously though, with what money Hendry has to spend we need one big bat, a leadoff hitter/CF, and two starting pitchers. I like the Jennings trade idea far more then Batista or Meche. If we could get him and sign Lilly and Lee I'd be very happy!

Come on now...how many times has Ted Lilly pitched 200 innings? (Hint: less than once).

"Come on now...how many times has Ted Lilly pitched 200 innings? (Hint: less than once)."

And how many times has Batista? Batista never threw more then 140 innings until he was 32 years old! If I am going to throw money at another starter, I'd rather throw it a lefty who is 5 years younger. Neither guy is anything special.

This is true, but I think Batista would come a lot cheaper. Could be wrong though.

Lol, the reason why I put those Cap Locks on was that I was stressing those comments and I wanted to clarify was past comments on my friends.

God, the banter is fun, isn't it!

Bottom line-I'm glad the Aramis distraction is out of the way so Hendry can focus on our holes-2 SP, CF, power bat, and leadoff if CF doesn't cover that.

Not that 3B wasn't potentially a hole-rather, Hendry can focus on free agents OUTSIDE the Cubs at the winter meetings.

Batista probably will come cheaper, but there is a reason for that. I'm not saying pay Lilly some obscene amount of money, but if we can get him at a reasonable price then I'd much rather have him. Batista would be okay as our #5 starter, but that is it.

I'd still like to see the Cubs and Sox try to work out some sort of deal involving Eyre/Howry where the Cubs end up with either Vazquez (and cash) or McCarthy.

Fo sure, I would love to swap one of those relievers for Vazquez. Can't see KW doing it though. He gave up Chris Young for Javier.

ANYONE WHO THINKS ARAM IS BAD DEFENSIVELY DOESN'T WATCH GAMES.

HE'S AN ABOVE AVERAGE 3B DEFENSIVELY.

Don't listen to these monkey ass sports writers who keep harping on his defense. Sports writers are morons.

Do the Cubs really need Cedeno? Because I'd package him in a deal for Vazquez. The Sox are looking for a SS, right?

The Sox wouldn't want Cedeno. But I would certainly offer up Pie and Howry or Eyre for McCarthy. I don't think Pie will develope into anything special.

Don't give up on Pie. He'll be just 22 next year. Still working on his baserunning and hitting offspeed stuff...plays good D and is gonna have good power.

Do you really want him to be the Sox's CF for the next six years? Patience.

I, for one, am looking forward to see how good Ramirez is going to get as he moves into his prime. I think that with Pinella pushing him, and a healthy D-Lee in front of him, the best is yet to come.

I would like to see the Cubs use Izturis and a couple of prospects to acquire Vernon Wells from Toronto. Izturis has a great glove, but he can't hit his way out of a paper bag. Only once in his career has he hit .270 or more and he has a career OBP of .295. Not only is Wells a good glove winner, but he can hit for average, power, and he can run.

I think you would have to trade something amazing to pry Wells away from the Jays, creating a huge hole on their 2007 team. That something amazing ain't anything that involves Izturis.

Maybe they'd do it for Hill and Pie. I dunno. But imagine all the teams who'd want him if available.

Your right Roto. I know that Toronto is looking for a ss, that is why I mentioned Izturis, but if we were going to make a deal for Wells, the prospects would have to be pretty good.

One arm the Cubs might want to look at would be Randy Wolf. I know that he is coming back off Tommy John surgery, but he still was 4-0 at the end of the season last year. He would be an inexpensive alternative to Padilla and Bautista.

"Do you really want him to be the Sox's CF for the next six years? Patience."

Sorry, but I see Pie as the 2nd coming of Corey Patterson. He really hasn't taken the next step in the minors yet either. If the Sox would be willing to part with McCarthy for Pie, then I'd do it in a heartbeat. Even if the Cubs don't trade him, it is doubtful he will develope in our organization anyways.

The Cubs handled Patterson poorly. Shouldn't have had to bat leadoff at all, and was permanently promoted to the bigs despite a failure to master Triple A.

They are two different people; we have a new manager. You just don't trade a talent like Pie. You have to see how he develops in 2007, a critical year for him.

What do you all think about the Cubs maybe bringing Aaron Rowand in to play center?

FYI

Pinella was on the Final Word tonight and had a few interesting things to say. The first pirority for him is starting pitching. He said the Cubs need two pitchers and he expects Hendry to be very active at the GM meetings. Second, he said he wants Sorriano. He expects Hendry to be very agressive in going after him as well.

Not sure the Cubs have enough money for all of that.

The Cubs have money Why am i a Cubfan because of the profits the cubs made on the expanded seats in Wrigely. Their payroll is expeted to raise to 120 million as expected by the sport writers. I dont know if that will happen, but i expect it to raise at least 110 mill. Dont owrry about the money my fellow cubs fans, what mmaters is how you spend the money, not how much.

The main priority after the free agency of course is resigning Big Z to a huge contract. Whateevr Big Z demands, the Cubs will probably give them that. Big Z is the emotion fueler for this team and im predicting he will have a monster season in 07.

I like Soriano and love his bat, but if we sign him, I would rather see him hitting a little lower in the order simply because of his ability to drive in runs. I would rather see him hitting it out with Matthews jr, and Murton aboard, instead of hitting a bunch of solo shots as the first hitter of the game. I know that he has a much lower lifetime batting average hitting 3rd than hitting 1st, but I would love to see Lee, Soriano, and Ramirez hitting 3-4-5. Can you imagine how much fear that would place in opposing pitching staffs?

Boy you can tell this is a Cubs-centric site when "Aramis Ramirez doesn't go anywhere" inspires 100+ comments.

Matthews Jr. is overrated, IMO. I doubt his career year will ever be repeated. He seems a little old to have just broken out in 06. And a lot of people get fooled when it comes to defense: A few spectacular plays does not a Gold Glover make.

I'm in the Dave Roberts/JD Drew camp when it comes to outfielders the Cubs would want to look at. But honestly, I don't think they can stretch however many extra dollars they have to make a serious playoff push this year. The market's too thin, and they lack amazing trade bait short of Pie to get much done (speaking of which, who's to say the White Sox would want him? Brian Anderson may be 4 years older, but I wouldn't give up on him yet).

I almost wish they would have traded ARam when they had the chance and stock up on youngsters, preferably major league ready ones. Contention would likely come just as fast, and cheaper.

But I could be wrong.

You know what surprises me? People being all "Whoa" about Adam Kennedy and Mark Loretta. What makes people think Theriot can't improve on Loretta's 2006 numbers? Mark Loretta had an OPS under .700, he's not the defender he once was, and he's got little usable basestealing speed. I don't think Theriot is awesome by any means, but looking at his contact ratio and the fact that he always hits lefties better than righties (so does Luis Castillo) I could see him hitting .285, slugging .360, with an OBP of .350. Freddie Bynum was passable against righties last season, if you platoon him or Patterson with Theriot, I think you can get a .740 OPS and 20-35 steals out of the platoon, from Theriot more like a .710 OPS and 10-20 steals, either way, for the price that's better than the hallowed Mark Loretta, who, at his age, doesn't look to get much better.

The Cubs payroll is at about $76MM right now (I took Roto's numbers and added in A-Rams $15MM and Wood's $1.75-keep in mind Wood could be higher than that if he reaches incentives).

Thus, depending on which figure you believe-the Cubs haved $34-$44M to spend. This WILL NOT get them Soriano, a #2 and #4 pitcher and a lead off man.

If you want Soriano (which I don't), you better start pulling for a trade to get one SP (i.e. Jennings from Colorado).

I am in the Drew camp to play CF. I'd sign Roberts as insurance in case Theriot can't lead off and then would platoon Jones/Murton with Drew in RF.

With Drew at $13MM and Roberts at $6.5MM-that leaves you $14-$24MM to get starting pitching. Thus, we probably need to trade for one......I'd like to see Igawa (#4) and Jennings (#2).

It looks as though Hendry will have a tough time filling all of our holes without some question marks.

I'm still a bit surprised at all the posters that believe Drew isn't going to be asking for a lot more then 13 million per year. Remember his agent? Remember that he opted out of a 3 year deal worth 11 million per season. And remember that now ARAM is off the market, Drew becomes a bigger prize. I think someone will go crazy and give him at least 15 million per season. I still say Carlos Lee is the smarter, safer guy to go after.

There is diffently a lot of different opinions out there about who the Cubs should get. But i think that Theriot is not getting the chance that he deserves. This kid is going to be great and he has shown that he can play at the big league level and i think he is the answer for second base. Plus there is not a lot of money tied up into him. The Cubs are still talking to Pierre's agent also and i think this is a good idea also but with this they have to consider Juan as a #2 hitter cause he don't like to walk he likes to hit. I am personally a fan of the Carlos Lee signing. I think he would be a cheaper signing then some of the other power batts mentioned and he has shown that he can hit and has all the stats from the past years to show that. Soriano would be nice also but he is asking for to much. J D Drew is a great player but there is two things that i don't like about the possiblity of signing him and that is the price and the possiblity of injury. The Cubs can't take anymore chances with a player that could end up on the DL and Drew has that history. I like Murton and think he will be a great player and no way should the cubs get rid of him but i think an ideal spot for him would be off the bench where he can get the experience that he needs. Plus he could rotate in to LF or RF and what team does not want to have a bench player that will hit around 300??? J Jones i think is the person that they should look to trade off. If you put Jones and a rookie pitcher together there are teams out there that would have people they would trade for that combination. When it comes to pitchers there are many good quality pitchers out there but going for the top dollar one's i think is crazy. That would just be a waste of money. Go for Padilla, Baista, Williams or Lilly. Zito and Scmidt are going to be to high priced. Depending on what the cubs pull off i think they have a lot of room in the payroll to spend some money and get good players but Hendry will have to act fast before these other teams start jumping in and making the prices go higher. My line up that i think would be ideal would be as follows-

Theriot 2B
Pierre or Soriano CF
D Lee 1B
Rameriz 3B
C Lee LF
J Jones RF
Barret C
Izturis SS

Pitchers

Zambrano
Hill
Baista
Padilla/Williams
Miller/Prior/Marshall

I think that there are a lot of players to be switched around or different people to fill the roles but this lineup would be pretty scary. But who knows we all have a lot to say about what we want but nothing means anything until Hendry goes out there and gets the players.

There is diffently a lot of different opinions out there about who the Cubs should get. But i think that Theriot is not getting the chance that he deserves. This kid is going to be great and he has shown that he can play at the big league level and i think he is the answer for second base. Plus there is not a lot of money tied up into him. The Cubs are still talking to Pierre's agent also and i think this is a good idea also but with this they have to consider Juan as a #2 hitter cause he don't like to walk he likes to hit. I am personally a fan of the Carlos Lee signing. I think he would be a cheaper signing then some of the other power batts mentioned and he has shown that he can hit and has all the stats from the past years to show that. Soriano would be nice also but he is asking for to much. J D Drew is a great player but there is two things that i don't like about the possiblity of signing him and that is the price and the possiblity of injury. The Cubs can't take anymore chances with a player that could end up on the DL and Drew has that history. I like Murton and think he will be a great player and no way should the cubs get rid of him but i think an ideal spot for him would be off the bench where he can get the experience that he needs. Plus he could rotate in to LF or RF and what team does not want to have a bench player that will hit around 300??? J Jones i think is the person that they should look to trade off. If you put Jones and a rookie pitcher together there are teams out there that would have people they would trade for that combination. When it comes to pitchers there are many good quality pitchers out there but going for the top dollar one's i think is crazy. That would just be a waste of money. Go for Padilla, Baista, Williams or Lilly. Zito and Scmidt are going to be to high priced. Depending on what the cubs pull off i think they have a lot of room in the payroll to spend some money and get good players but Hendry will have to act fast before these other teams start jumping in and making the prices go higher. My line up that i think would be ideal would be as follows-

Theriot 2B
Pierre or Soriano CF
D Lee 1B
Rameriz 3B
C Lee LF
J Jones RF
Barret C
Izturis SS

Pitchers

Zambrano
Hill
Baista
Padilla/Williams
Miller/Prior/Marshall

I think that there are a lot of players to be switched around or different people to fill the roles but this lineup would be pretty scary. But who knows we all have a lot to say about what we want but nothing means anything until Hendry goes out there and gets the players.

on espn it says the cubs are going to go after soriano

bigJOE, your comment is filled with ignorance. I quote: "i'm a cards fan, and i'm also happy the cubs overpaid for a guy that sucked when it mattered, then turned it on after the cubs were pretty much eliminated from any chance of making the playoffs. keep it up, cubbies :)"

In the past 3 seasons, ARam has hit extremely well in the last few months after having slow starts. If you have other bats, such as DLee and Jacque who have had really strong first halfs in recent years, then allowing ARam to struggle a bit in the first half is acceptable. August-October is the most important time anyway depending on who you listen to, check out Ramirez's playoff numbers and look at his numbers for the last few months of every season. I believe the past 3 seasons he's led the Cubs in HR's, RBI's, and had a very high BA/OBP during the last few months. In 2005 he hit around .240 for the first half of the season and ended with a .304 AVG, yet no one complained that he "didn't step up" then. He is worth paying big money for, especially for a team that is in a market as large as Chicago.

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