Mets Covet Dan Haren

It's just one letter, after all.  Ken Rosenthal reports that the Mets hope to acquire Dan Haren from the Mets, not Rich Harden.  That makes sense.

However, Haren is incredibly valuable as a young stud pitcher signed for cheap.  He could be a Cy Young candidate in the NL.  I can't see what the Mets would give the A's for Haren that would make Oakland better in 2007.

If Haren is truly available, I would imagine all sorts of teams to come knocking.  The Angels and Dodgers would be best suited to acquire him because of their top-notch prospects, but neither club needs starting pitching.  How 'bout a three-way?

Comments

[nom3k]

Beane loves Milledge and Heilman, so they actually matchup fairly well if they ever wanted to deal.

[bobo]

Haren >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milledge + Heilman

I don't see this happening without Pelfrey, or Humber + a lot more

[wood34]

i don't see milledge going to Oakland.

Maybe Pelfrey, Heilman, and Shawn Bowman for Haren.

[wood34]

Acutally that might not be enough.

Throw in a Power-hitting infield-prospect

[bobo]

Beane likes him though.

I don't know about Bowman, doesn't seem like Beane's type of player. But quality-wise, your deal seems right.

I think Pelfrey & Heilman alone might get it done. But I think the Mets should hold onto Pelfrey.

[PeteRose]

"It's just one letter, after all. Ken Rosenthal reports that the Mets hope to acquire Dan Haren from the Mets, not Rich Harden. That makes sense."
Actually, this makes NO sense at all....

[bsox21]

1) No Haren without losing Humber or Pelfrey.

2) No way we get Haren. I won't even hope for it.

[PeteRose]

It's just mind boggling...I'd be amazed if the Mets could pull this off.....Omar - greatest GM ever if he pulls this off........

[Teetz]

Angels prospects to Oakland, Danny Haren to White Sox, Joe Crede to the Angels?

White Sox then trade Garland for prospects.

[baseballfiles]

"The Angels and Dodgers would be best suited to acquire him because of their top-notch prospects, but neither club needs starting pitching. How 'bout a three-way?"

A three-way with the Jays would make sense in this scenario. Is this the team you had in mind as the 3rd party? Ricciardi's days in Oakland might prove influential here.

[bobo]

How is Omar the greatest GM ever if he trades a bunch of great prospects for a very good starter?

[gatling]

Teetz, I don't think the Angels are going to move any of their prospects this year or maybe even next year.

bsox21, what about Haren for Milledge, Humber, and Heilman? I think BB would go for that, but would the Mets? Milledge might then get spun off for a couple arms, possibly to FLA. I know Beane has shown interest in Milledge, but I don't think he wants to keep him. As much as I like Haren, if he netted us 4 MLB caliber pitchers total, you have to move him.

[bsox21]

For Haren,

We're talking a package of Milledge, Heilman and Humber/Pelfrey.

I wouldn't say greatest GM ever.

I don't like it.

As I said on another thread, I don't like trading for guys like Haren because there is no way to get value out of it.

The only way is to overpay in prospects, which I don't want to do with guys like Humber/Pelfrey.

I'm not gona worry about this yet. I trust Omar.

[bsox21]

You're not gona believe this.....

KC Royals sign Gil Meche for 5 years 55 million.

Drayton Moore has officially gone insane.

[Bonatom]

No way is the Haran deal going to happen. Wasted Key Strokes

[PeteRose]

"No way is the Haran deal going to happen. Wasted Key Strokes"
You're right. It's completely impossible....it would take the Lords intervention to make this deal happen....can Omar bend reality...will have to wait and see....I vote yes.

[Baseballfan79]

If Haren is really on the block I expect to see Arizona come calling. They need a pitcher to match with Webb for a legit shot at that NL West. They have alot of top prospects in the minors that would liked by Beane.

Arizona would be a good matchup and a team with the talent. Same with TB also.

I dont see the mets moving humber or pelfrey (specially not pelfrey). But honestly I cant see a Haren deal without one of them being involved.

[Gleebo]

The Mets are in the "win now or bust" school of thought. As a Cubs fan I get both sides of the trading prospects for proven talent. Teams like the A's thrive even though they trade away their homegrown talent yet still put a competitive playoff contending team on the field year in and year out.

Then you have teams like the Royals who trade away their talent when they establish themselves and they suck every year and are nothing more than a AAA team that the rest of MLB has access to.

As a Cubs fan I would have to lean towards being one of those teams that just trade all of their prospects for proven veterans like the Yankees and Red Sox do. You might run out of prospects to deal like the Yankees have lately, but you never run out of money when you are a big market team. There are always free agents to overpay for and still not cause your team to drop off terribly talent wise. The Yankees depleted their system and are now getting by on signing free agents and making a couple big trades with what little is left in their farm system. Their system is showing signs of rebuilding itself to start the process over again, but during this stretch they couldn't get over the hump in the playoffs as they were accustomed to in the late 90's. Those big guns they made trades for are now aging and they may have to wait a while before they can stock pile enough prospects to deal for multiple star players.

I would have no problem with the Cubs following suite(which this offseason seems to indicate that they are shifting towards). As long as it means a half decade of a really good team by dealing every big name prospect we have...so be it. God knows, being shrewd with position player prospects has got us exactly nowhere in 100 years. What's the last position player prospect that the Cubs had that actually amounted to anything? Shawon Dunston? OUCH! Deal Pie, Marshall, Gallagher, E-Pat, Veal, Wells, Pawelek for some guys like Vernon Wells, Carl Crawford, Chad Cordero, Miguel Tejada, Michael Young, Miguel Cabrera, Jason Bay, Jeremy Bonderman, or John Lackey. Some of the teams those guys are on are not gonna be able to afford them sooner or later...throw some flashy prospect names at them and see who bites. Id be surprised to find another person who knows even one ounce of information on the Cubs track record with prospects that didnt agree with this idea. The odds are far more in our favor of Felix Pie or any of his fellow prospects falling flat on their face and never adding up to anything than it is for them to be a superstar. Id much rather take a guy who I know is a star already even if it means sacrificing the next Dontrelle Willis or Lou Brock in the process.

Remember a guy who was supposed to be the second coming of Mark Grace with power? Oh, right, he was traded straight up for Derrek Fucking Lee. Now he's a minor league spring training invitee for the god damn Devil Rays.

[nrmax88]

The mets are definitely not in the win now or bust mentality, at all, whatsoever, or milledge, pelfrey, and humber would all be gone and the mets would have zito garcia and haren in their rotation

[bsox21]

NRMax,

ignore gleebo man.

he wrote a 3 page essay and lost all his credibility in the first line.

I just stopped reading right after "The Mets are in the "win now or bust" school of thought."

This guy is a moron.

[nrmax88]

Yeah, not nearly as bad as hood though. Go check out his piece on peterson in the cubs thread like 2 before this one. He really proved his credibility right there too. Teetz is another brilliant one

[bsox21]

This board has a few aces, a handful of #2s,

and a bunch of Gil Meche's, Ted Lilly's and Adam Eaton's.

The problem is they THINK they know what they're talking about.

THat's worse than someone who is stupid, but knows it.

[bsox21]

Perhaps Beane is restocking becuz he overpaid for Dan Meyer?

Dan Meyer was the other guy they got the year they scooped up Haren.

[tinathemetsgrl]

Weird, but I just can't see Haren as a Met. I don't mind trading Aaron and Lastings, but I don't know if I'd want Haren. Of course he's a good pitcher, but not what I expected.

[bsox21]

Tina,

It will cost a lot more than Milledge and Heilman.

Heilman is a throw in when ur talking about a guy like Haren.

No way Beane makes the deal unless he gets Humber or Pelfrey.

He's not that brave/stupid.

[bravesrule14]

Gleebo is a fuckin idiot. he should just quit life. if i can remember the Cubs traded Antonio Alfonseca and a kid named Dontrelle Willis to the Cubs for Matt Clement, who probably wont start for the Sox this year. The Cubs are like the special olympics, even if they win there still retarded. I agree there are some stupid ppl on this board i.e Hood,Gleebo, Das Cube, Teetz etc. I dont think Omar will give up that much for Haren. Say Omar trades for Hudson from the Braves, do u think that would attract Zito to New York

[DoctorCurveBall]

Jim Leyritz is considering a comeback. He'll be 43 next season, and apparently thinks that he can play backup catcher and first base. When Chad Moeller gets a major league deal with the Reds, I guess Leyritz will try for the expensive market that has been created. I know this doesn't relate to Haren but it's an interesting topic.

[tinathemetsgrl]

I think you're right, bsox. They'd want Pelfrey in the package too, and being a Met fan I really don't want to see them trade away Pelfrey.

[greenbaydude1232]

pete rose...

"Dan Haren from the Mets, not Rich Harden"

Haren...add a D and u have harden...thats what he was talking about.

[bravesrule14]

man Doctor ur really rhrowin us curveballs

[bsox21]

I dont want to deal Pelfrey either.

As for Leyritz, based on Gil meche's contract, Leyritz is worth about a 3 year, 15 million contract.

All he has to do is step on a mound and throw a couple somewhere around the plate.

Call Drayton Moore. That dumbass will pay anyone.

[PeteRose]

"pete rose...
Dan Haren from the Mets, not Rich Harden"
Haren...add a D and u have harden...thats what he was talking about."

Read it again... stop...and then read it once more.

[bsox21]

Omar just signed my sister.

Her velocity is almost as good as Bannister. It should be comparable by next May.

Her command is already better.

Don't tell anyone, but Omar is going to let her pitch in an extreme pitcher's park to earn a 4.80 ERA in the minors and try to use her to get Greinke.

[jballgame]

"the Mets hope to acquire Dan Haren from the Mets, not Rich Harden."

green bay dude-obviously you missed it. The Mets cannot acquire Dan Haren from themselves, they must acquire him from the A's.

[PeteRose]

"Jim Leyritz is considering a comeback."

Jim wants back in for a quick score b/c his ex wife took everything.....even his Worldseries ring .....I think.

[greenbaydude1232]

o - my bad

[bsox21]

Haren would be a rock star in Shea, but so will Pelfrey.

Humber I don't know about.

Humber is one of the last prospects we have that Omar didn't bring in himself, so he isn't an "Omar guy".

Now that I think about it, Humber, Heilman and Milledge might be do-able.

Don't know if BB takes taht.

[hood]

Dumbass bravesrule WHAT THE FUCK MAKES YOU THINK BIG JOHN TRADES HUDSON TO THE METS OF ALL PLACES you really are dumber than I thought. When do you see trades between division foes fightin for the top make trades dumbass.

[hood]

If Omar gets Haren I might have to rethink this Omar is overrated stance I been taking.

[cubfan16]

bonds signs 1 year 16 million to giants

[SBE]

Royals sign Octavio Dotel to a 1 year deal for 5 mill.

[Laputian]

Thanks for the links.

[bsox21]

"If Omar gets Haren I might have to rethink this Omar is overrated stance I been taking."

Nobody cares about your stance.

[bsox21]

hood,

you calling Omar overrated is like that really ugly girl talking trash about the head cheerleader.

Nobody cares.

[hood]

Here we go bsox I aint even gonna acknoledge you after this. Suprised you are even on I thought you would be studyin some more stats since you know every stat there is. You should change your name to rainman you GEEK. All you know is stats stats stats.

[hood]

Yo what did Woodward hit in day games this year after a rain delay on the second tuesday of June.

[bsox21]

"Here we go bsox I aint even gonna acknoledge you after this. Suprised you are even on I thought you would be studyin some more stats since you know every stat there is. You should change your name to rainman you GEEK. All you know is stats stats stats."

As a very big baseball fan, I take this as a compliment.

Thanks.

And you're right, I am a huge baseball geek.

I also got more girls than u have in ur whole life.

I drink a little, I smoke expensive cigars, I get loads of girls (some hot, some less than hot. I don't discriminate), and I love baseball.

I'm a simple man.

[bdid]

This trade never had a chance...you have two very good GM's who know what they want, and what they are willing to give. If it didn't get finished inside of 1 hour, it wasn't going to happen. As a Mets fan, I don't know how to feel. Pending on who the 3rd player invovled is/was. I could live w/ Milledge, Heilman, Maine/Perez...but probably not Humber or Pelfrey, whom I think will both be better than Haren by the time they are 26

[PeteRose]

"I drink a little, I smoke expensive cigars, I get loads of girls (some hot, some less than hot. I don't discriminate), and I love baseball.

I'm a simple man."

Me thinks not.............except for the part about being simple.

[nrmax88]

Peterose... who are you, seriously? Stop gettin in battles that dont ivolve you. Go bet on some baseball games

[nrmax88]

involve*

[PeteRose]

"Peterose... who are you, seriously? Stop gettin in battles that dont ivolve you. --Go bet on some baseball games--"

Come on now,that's hitting below the belt.

I'm sorry, I could not resist......
and to be fair this is probably my 5th post this season, I've interfered in no battles.

[nrmax88]

I know, i have never had a problem with you on here, im just sayen, bsox wasnt beefin with u lol, it was between him and hood

[Gleebo]

Wow, people sure get worked up about other peoples views and opinions around here. I really don't think what I said in any way was a knock at the expense of the Mets or Mets fans. Yet somehow, people take exception to my opinion....on a rumors message board. If this was ESPN and I was getting paid to spout off opinions and pass them off as facts I would be named Buster Olney. Its not. All I was trying to do was discuss baseball with others...and all I got was insults instead of a friendly debate.

I was pulling for the Mets last season in the playoffs this season. They were a great team that has a real chance to get even better with a few trades. And with the prospects they have they can afford to deal some to win now. Will they bust later because of it? Probably not, but im just so used the slipshod managment of my team that I always look at both the positive and negative aspects of any moves by baseball owners. The lack of success by the Cubs in their past does not inspire optimism.

But the Mets are not the Cubs, and Omar Minaya is definitely NOT Jim Hendry. Be thankful for this, at least the moves your team makes are ones that make sense.

[bsox21]

"If this was ESPN and I was getting paid to spout off opinions and pass them off as facts I would be named Buster Olney."

Good line...

[bravesrule14]

hey Hood did i ever say ya letstrade Hudson to the Mets i brought in a hypothetical situation as to say if Hudson were traded to the Mets than Zito would be atracted there. thats liek saying, if hood said sumthing that wasnt retarted than id shit my pants. i kno its never going to happen. oh and Gleebo that was a good line on Olney

[eeleye99]

Hey guys. Rotoworld mentions VERNON WELLS discussion with the METS, for a combination of Aaron Heilman, Phillip Humber, Lastings Milledge and Mike Pelfry. What do you guys think of these prospects, would 3 be included in any deal?

[Dev0]

Why would the Jays a Team pushing for the Playoffs trade their top hitter for prospects. If Vernon Wells is delt expect a Young 3rd in the rotation guy to come in return along with whatever else.

[PeteRose]

Well, one reason they might consider trading him is - they don't think they'll be able to resign him next year and would rather try an get a couple of prospects closer to the bigs now, then what they'll get in draft picks when he leaves. The Jays have a small dilemma, what to do w/ Wells....what team is going to overpay in prospects for one years service now, when they can wait and sign him next year. One years service is worth something though, the Jays can try now and see if anyone blows them away, but will probably take their shot and if they fail will deal him at the deadline, sitting in a slightly better position then they are now. Either way, they're in a tight position w/ Wells. Trade deadline is their best bet.