Mets Still Trying For Dan Haren?

UPDATE: Spoke to my Mets source, and he indicated that the below trade possibility could be expanded to include Michael Devaney and Santiago Castilla.

According to a Bay Area official speaking to Gotham Baseball, the Mets and A's "are finally discussing a deal that could send right-hander Danny Haren to the Mets in return for Aaron Heilman, Lastings Milledge and a minor league pitcher."

Gotham's source goes on to say that the A's would prefer to put Joe Blanton in that deal instead but the Mets are holding out for Haren.  Can Omar Minaya and Billy Beane find common ground here?

Comments

[bdid]

Wow, no sooner do I post this in the Dukes thread, then you put it on! You're good!

[bravesrule14]

this is a pretty good deal depending on the minor league pitcher, who i doubt is Pelfry.

[Guitar Hero]

That's a pretty good haul already for Haren. Milledge, a good OF, Heilman, who will start, and a pitcher.

[NYs Maine Man]

I would do anything I could to try and pry Haren. This guy would have CY Young potential in the NL, he is young, and is a #1 guy on the Mets' current staff, who could eat innings, and be around for years. I agree, I would not give Pelfrey in such a deal, but Humber (who projects to be a #3 starter) is not out of the question. Minaya HAS to have something up his sleave, only reason I could think he would sign Schoenweiss.

1) Haren
2) Glavine
3) El Duque
4) Maine
5) Pelfrey/Oliver Perez

With Pedro returning after the All-Star break, hopefully. This move would be so clutch. Then, if need be, get an arm in the pen @ the trading deadline to help Duaner set-up ballgames. Who knows what Mota will be like off the juice, and Burgos is young.

[tangiers12]

i would do this deal immediately.heilman wants to be a starter hes not going to be one in new york and after being at game 7 and watching him serve one up to yadier molina i want him gone.milledge i could care less about also he could turn out to be a great player but as long as minaya is the mets gm im sure he can find a replacement.

[AstoriaGuy72]

Um...I take this with a grain of salt. Gothambaseball is frequently wrong.

[bravesrule14]

Haren will be a star in the national league plus he has the Mets offense behind him so he doesnt have to worry about run support. Heilman could be good, but i would rather have him in the pen, but let Oakland do as Oakland wishes. Maine Man i doubt Haren would come in and immediatly become the ace, im sure that will be either Glavine or El Duque.

[ArodSucksAtLife]

ace and El Duque in the same sentence..... ahhhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha silly Mets.

[bravesrule14]

well im not a Mets in fact i ate the Mets with evey fiber in my body, but they trade for Haren and then just stick him in the ace role. i figure they start with Glavin as ace then Haren, El Duque and the rest and gradually move Haren into that ace role or they could start him in the ace role then put him to #2 when Pedro comes back.

[rawr]

If Billy Beane is dealing Haren...a young, cheap, quality SP, then there is something wrong with him. Beane is crafty and has good sense on when to deal pitchers. I'd be careful if I was Minaya.

[tvators]

Its long been reported that Beane loves Milledge and Heilman, so he gets a top OF prospect who is still just 21 yrs old and made it to the majors, Heilman who he may think could start and replace haren now and another pitching prospect, the mets gets a good young pitcher under their control for 4 yrs at way way below market value, I don't think Beane is looking to deal Haren b/c there is something wrong more b/c he will be getting 3 young players who he controls and can have additional cost certainty than w/ just Haren....

[NYs Maine Man]

Woa woa....6 Inning Glavine or Brittle El Duque whose ERA was in the mid-high 4.00's last year is the "ace", WITH Danny Haren here? That is non-sensical. Glavine is a # 3 pitcher at this point in his career, and El Duque is 44 years old and very brittle. Danny Haren is in the mold of a Chris Carpenter-- he would excel in the National League.

This is Gotham baseball, once again-- they like making up rumors, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Aduncaroo]

I'm not buying the trade either. However, I have to weigh in on the Haren being the ace or not.

Haren WOULD be the ace, but would not start in the #1 slot out of respect for Glavine. Haren would be their ace either way, just doing it in the 2 slot. There isn't really much of a difference between 1 and 2, at least in the regular season, except for who takes the ball on opening day. The playoff #1 starter matters a lot more, and I think if Haren had a great year and Glavine did not, Haren would get the ball.

All of this is bases on him going to the Mets, which I don't buy for a second.

[beauhoopman]

I'm still hoping out for Scott Kazmir part two: Minaya has a panic attack and sends Pelfrey and Milledge to the White Sox for Vazquez. I can dream.

[Baseballfan79]

it has humber or pelfrey in that deal if it is made.

[Ripwa]

Poor trade for the A's unless they get Pelfrey or Humber. I really can't see this one going down.

[JakeOD21]

I can't really see this trade happening either. We know Beane likes to trade off pitchers before they hit free agency if he can, but A's have Haren for 4 more years.

I think some of you are forgetting that Haren really is the ACE of the A's staff. Harden has ace stuff but he's never healthy. If it were Blanton for Milledge and Heilman I would think Beane would do that. But Beane is smarter that to trade his best starter for an overhyped OF and a shaky starter/reliever.

[tangiers12]

all u guys saying this trade cant go down are out of ure minds.haren was 14n 14 last year.yes the A's have no offense and run support had a lot to do with that but how many players is this guy worth.milledge an heilman are more than enough.all you idiots who said pelfrey too are nuts. in heilman u have a starter or a reliever pick ure poison.milledge u have a young kid with lots of talent.i think that should be enough.as far as this website lying thats a whole other ballgame but believe this if this isnt goin down then the mets will make a deal for a starter they have way to many people in the pen.

[nrmax88]

Tangiers you are the one out of your mind. Im not saying i wouldnt want haren but u want Heilman gone because of giving up 1 HR? After carrying the Mets bullpen all yeah he had a bad inning and u want him gone. Great. Lets get carlos beltran the fuck out of NY he sucks at baseball and I hope he dies for letting that 3rd pitch go.I think yourone of those annoying fans thats hates every guy who makes a mistake and wants him traded, then once a good player is traded, u act like he sucked anyway. Use some grammar and capital letters too. Atleast once in a while, maybe one capital letter in each post. Haren is a stud. IMO he is the best pitcher on Oakland in 06, even with Zito and Harden. If omar pulls this rabbit out of his hat without losing pelfrey i might just jump for joy

[nrmax88]

Yeah but maineman, just because Haren is better he still wouldnt start opening day. TG would start the opener. Just like when they acquired Hampton but still gave the rock to glavine on opening day. Its more of a respect thing for a guy whos given years to your organization. IMO is haren the ace? Absolutely, will he start the first game in 07 if this deal goes through? I doubt it

[nrmax88]

See dunc, this is why i should finish reading all the posts before responging. I just wasted like 5 minutes posting the same thing as you lol

[nrmax88]

"But Beane is smarter that to trade his best starter for an overhyped OF and a shaky starter/reliever."

Yeah, and Minaya is smarter then to deal his top prospect and very good releiver for a fat ass version of steve trachsel.

Why is milledge overated Jake? Is he overated because everyone else says so? Are you a little sheep that just follows the herd? Give me one reason why Heilman is a shaky reliever? Because he gave up a HR in the playoffs? You guys are pricesless. Milledge is overated? Ok Homer Bailey sucks , Phjillip Hughes sucks, Clay Bucholz sucks, Hunter Pence sucks, why? BEcause they are young, unproven, and i say they suck. Good job. None of those guys are in the majors at 21, Millegde is. Why does he suck? Cuz his first 2 months he didnt post all star numbers? I dont get how half of you can call yourself baseball fans. Its a joke

[stormstarter28]

tangiers-
you're telling me haren isn't worth more than those 2 players because he was 14-14 last year? that's the stupidest argument i've ever heard. Jason Marquis was 14-16...is he worth anything? (besides 21 mill from the cubs...lol) He's young and has posted an ERA right at 4 for 2 years in the AL. he is worth a hell of a lot in this market right now. Wins and losses can't measure a player's ability

[beauhoopman]

Tangiers, at least use some punctuation and some correct grammar. You write like a 5 year old.

[Ripwa]

Heilman get way too much credit from people. While he is a good reliever, he is nothing special. He is 99th in ARP and his K/9 isn't amazing. Plus the fact that his stats are far better at home vs. on the road. Over the past three years his home ERA is 2.88 while his road is 4.55. BA is also +25 at home. Fine pitcher but really not all he is hyped.

Also the guys you list, besides Pence, are pitchers and their is a big difference between having a pitcher ready at 21 and hitter. I know your point wasn't to say they are truly bad but to point out that people are dumb in saying Milledge is overrates, but their is a difference.

If you look at Haren's stats after they are neutralized you can see that he is an ace. A 25 year old #1 or 2 is hard to give up for an outfielder and an alright reliever.

[beauhoopman]

nrmax you are hilarious. if everyone says milledge is overrated, which i havent heard, do you want to explain to us why your own, individual scouting techniques are superior and why you know that he is not? if jake follows the sheep, do you break from the crowd just to look smart? you've got superior inside information? milledge may or may not be overrated, but this entire site is based on that kind of speculation, and your opinions on milledge are just as whimsical and baseless as anyones...that is, unless you are a professional scout.

[nrmax88]

Im not saying he isnt u idiot. Im saying how can any moron that wants to call himself a baseball fan call a player less then a year removed from being a top 10 prospect, and made the majors at age 21, overhyped. That is idiotic. I dont pretedn to know about players that I dont know about. Anyone calling a 22 year old top 10 prospect ovarated and overhyped after about 30 big league games is a fucking asshole. If you disagree, then i can say the same for you.

[nrmax88]

You havent heard anyone say Milledge is overated? Where have u been dude.

[nrmax88]

I have said this atleast 50 times, but why not one more. I am not trying to tell anybody that Milledge is a cant miss superstar to be. Only time will tell . I am simply saying. It is ignorant to call a guy overhyped, because of his success. Meaning if he stayed in AAA all year, nobody would be talking about him being overhyped. Because he made it to the big league level so much sooner then most prospects, he may not have been ready. It does not mean he is overated. Just making the bigs at age 21 should show that a player IS NOT overated.If he is 25 and still not producing, then you can say about him what you want. Until then, all this overhype and overated Milledge talk is a bunch of nonsense

[bsox21]

I'd jerk off for 3 straight days if this deal happened.

I don't think Haren is a true ace pitcher. Pitching in oakland has a way of making pitchers look better than they are.

With that said, he's a rock solid #2 and I'd give up Heilman and Milledge for that in a heartbeat.

[nrmax88]

Haha i came close to saying i would blow a load if we get haren, but I thought somebody would get pissed off and startproblems over it. Its ok, I guess I can just live vicariously thru bsox lol. As long as Pelfrey doesnt get thrown into that deal I would love it.

[stormstarter28]

bsox-
please explain how pitching in Oakland makes pitchers "look better than they are". Are Oakland's fences twice as deep as other stadiums? Is the pollution in the air keeping the ball in the park? I'm dying to hear this one.

[nrmax88]

well it is true that Oakland is quite the pitchers park. Tons of foul territory, deep dimensions, usually a good fielding club. I dont know what Bsox is referring to, but If i was a pitcher, Oakland would be one of the first places i wanted to go pitch

[Athletic Domination]

This deal isnt happening at all ever, unless the names Gomez, Milledge and Pelfrey are in it. For reference on why Im so sure, take another look at how Haren got here in the 1st place. Especially with 4 more years of control, the Mets are going to have to give an arm and a leg, not a potentially troubled OF and an aging ex-prospect. Get real, Mets. Im sick of hearing these dumb rumors from half baked "sources".

[tangiers12]

Lets see if i can make people happy and try to spell the wors rizzuto and not rirruto.Let me start by saying who the fuck cares about grammar and spellimg.I dont just hate heilman for one mistake but if i did it would be a preety fuckin good reason to be at that game and have that happen to the number eight hitter it still stings.Back to haren and the market if heilman and millege arent enough what is.the only reason why i posted that message was because i had read that the mets needed to include pelfrey in the deal.As far as him being 14-14 with a good era in the americab league thats fine im not knocking him hes a good pitcher and would probable be an 18 game winner with the mets but so would a lot of other pitchers.When you think of pithcers who are or might be available he might be one of the better choices they have.If they can make the deal fine if not they move on the the next step and we can have a debate about about baseball not my typing skills you fuckin pussies.

[bsox21]

1) Oakland's park is HUGE.

Besides the walls being VERY far away, the walls are higher than most other parks.

Take a look at the walls in the power alleys next time you see a highlight or a game there. They're HUGE.

2) The foul territory is the arguably the biggest in baseball.

We haven't seen foul territory that spacious since the Astrodome.

Huge foul territory leads to more cheap foul ball outs.

3) Above average defensive club.

4) Humid air.

Humid air leads to balls that dont carry as far and more break on breaking balls.

5) All of these factors lead to more confident pitchers, that get away with lots of mistakes.

They are more willing to challenge hitters becuz they know the park is extremely forgiving.

If you have even decent stuff and average command, you will often win when u challenge a hitter becuz the law of averages favor the pitcher. When the hitter DOES win and gets a solid part of the bat on the ball, the park will protect you more so than any other.

Barry Zito is extremely fortunate, in that he landed in one of the few parks that is at least as hard to hit in as Oakland, which is Pac Bell of course.

For lefty power hitters not named Bonds, it is nealry IMPOSSIBLE to hit for power there.

Right center is 420 ft away.

FOUR HUNDRED TWENTY!!

The RF wall is very high and when the winds is blowing in, which it most often is, a lefty is NOT going to hit it out unless they CLOBBER the ball.

This of course makes Bonds' accomplishments there that much more incredible, roids or not.

[ArodSucksAtLife]

pssssst what he said, making danny haren better..... and barry zito for that matter hope he has fun across the bay.

[stormstarter28]

It's amazing how massive that post is when all you really said is big field, humid air, decent defense. What a waste of time.

[stormstarter28]

Repeating the same thing over and over again to make your argument longer doesn't make it any stronger.

[nrmax88]

stormstarter, u asked him to explain u dizzy bastard, and then, u do the stupidest thing of all.

"Repeating the same thing over and over again to make your argument longer doesn't make it any stronger. "

Thats pretty much a repeat of what you just said. Good job ass wipe

[stormstarter28]

First of all, the two posts i made aren't the same thing at all. Second, it didn't take me 500 words to say them. Very mature with the "ass wipe" comment by the way.

[Droptop]

Haren is an Athletic for 4 more years. PERIOD.

[tmar]

Well at least 3 more years.

I can't see the A's trading away this golden contract for anything less than Ft Knox.