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No Boston For Mariano Rivera In '08

Mariano Rivera, asked whether he could cross enemy lines and join the Red Sox as a free agent in 2008, said, "I don't think I could do it."  So we can almost officially cross Boston off the list.  Which other clubs might be ready to woo him after this season?

I think the Giants, Rangers, Cubs, and Phillies should be top contenders.  Those are the teams I can see having the need and willingness for an $11-12MM a year closer.  Of course, the Yankees have to be considered the favorite.   

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So he is a free agent at the end of this year then. I woulden't mind to see the Cubs sign him for a year or 2.

The Orioles will sign Rivera to a 2 yr 28 million contract, and have him set up for the up and coming Rivera, Chris Ray

Hell freezes over when Rivera goes back to being a setup man..I'm sure one of the main reasons he'd continue his career would be to make a run at the save record, and that would be kind of hard to do as a setup man.

If you remember, Johnny Damon said that the Yankees would come hard after him and that he would never sign with them.

I don't know what to laugh more at: Mo setting up for Ray, or Ray becoming the next Mo.

I seem to remember Damon saying the exact same thing, that he could never go to the Yankees.

Remind me who he is playing for again?

Boston didn't pony up for Damon, the Yanks will for Mo.

i don't know if i see the rangers letting otsuka and gagne go after the season, if one does poorly they will pay up to sign the other i believe, could be wrong though considering if otsuka flops his second year like he did in the NL gagne could walk anyway

i wouldn't be surprised to see the yank's let Mo go he is getting a little older. they seem to be letting those guys walk Bernie and Shef. on the other hand they do go out and re-sign Moose. i wouldn't be surprised if they give Posada a 2 year deal thsi spring.

i see him in a yank uniform next year unless like the cubs come out of no were to grab him up ;)

There are reasons why they're letting Bernie go--he's declined a lot over the years. Sheff--have Abreu now, don't need Sheff, and besides he hasn't been w/ the organization throughout his career and they did pick up some good arms on the trade. Mo may be getting older, but he's still putting up pretty damn good numbers. He isn't going anywhere, he'll be back where he belongs.

Ok... im sure damon would have said this too.

All that matters is the $$

Hopefully the Yankees deal with Rivera the same way they dealt with Petite. I still can't believe they let Petite go. That's why I wouldn't be surprised if they miscalculate with Rivera.

There is very little chance that Mariano Rivera is going to pitch anywhere else as long as he maintains his status as the best closer in baseball......

No offense, but if you're comparing the Rivera situation to the Sheffield/Bernie situations, you've got no clue.

Of course there is a chance that he leaves. It's just a very small chance.

Cashman came right out and said that he was upset that Mo said this in the media, and because he did, there's no way he can give him a contract now - otherwise every player will do the same thing and Cashman loses all leverage. Rivera has to agree with that.

It's in everyone's best interests to give him the contract after the season. Mo pitches well, and probably makes more money than he would if given an extension now. The Yankees get the assurance of seeing a healthy Mo for 2007 before making a decision. They would gladly pay $2-3M more per season AFTER 2007 is over than now.


Finally, I read something suggesting the Rangers could offer $50M for 2 years. Of course it's absurd - but if they did - would Rivera bite? I still don't think so.

SURE. See "Johnny Damon. 2005"

There are significant differences between the johnny damon and rivera situations. Damon was with boston for a total of 3 or 4 years, while rivera has been with the yankees his whole career. It is also obvious that rivera has been a crucial part to a lot more success in the post season. And despite the pettite situation, the yankees are usually loyal to players whom they bring up while those players still produce at a high level. In the case of Bernie, his abilities have greatly diminished

Damon comparisons aren't valid in the least because there is no way the Yankees will be outbid by the Sox by $3M per year. They _will_ offer as much money. Plus Rivera has never been one to negotiate that hard. You think he doesn't know he could have got more money on the market than he did in the past?

The Pettitte situation was solely based on his elbow. They offered him what they thought he was worth, given his health. Rivera won't be different - if he has an injury plagued year, the Yankees do their homework, and his arm is not looking good, they won't offer him that much, and that is just about the only way they'll lose him. And they'll likely be better off for it.

I believe Petite pitched over 200 innings and won 21 games in his last Yankee year.

I guess now that Petite is three years older, Yankee brass believes his elbow problems are no longer an issue and he's finally deserving of his 16 million dollar contract.

The Yankees simply made the mistake of not being aggressive in signing Petite the first time around. They assumed that he was just using the Astros as bargaining chips and didn't take him seriously when he said he would leave.

No, I firmly believe they based their offer on what they expected of him, with health the main consideration. Much like Boston's limit on Damon last year.

In retrospect, was a it a good decision? We'll never really know how much of his injury was caused by swinging the bat, so we can't really say.

They may have been wrong to not re-sign him the first time, but what you're saying is not true. Their interest was lukewarm from the start. He did pitch over 200 innings (not really sure how 21 wins is relevant), but their offer reflected their medical reports, and what they expected his performance would be, and nothing else.

Why'd they sign him now? The same reason they didn't sign him before. They made an offer that they thought was worth it. They believe his elbow is good enough to warrant the contract (see his 2nd half of 06), they had a big need for a starter, it's a short committment, and the market obviously exploded.


This isn't that complicated - in 2004 they didn't think he was worthy of the contract the Astros gave him. Now they think he is worthy of the contract they gave him. What's the big deal?

Since Petite was replaced by a guy named Carl Pavano, I'd say the Yankees made a poor decision.

I also believe the presumption that health was the main consideration is false.

Pettite's first season with the Astros was shortened drastically due to elbow surgery. If the Yankees were worried about his health then, why shouldn't they be worried now? The Yankees gave him a 32 million dollar contract for two years. (the first year is guaranteed and the 2nd is a player's option)

If you believe that the Yankee's based their decision due to his recent performance, Petite's numbers with the Astros last year were similar to his last year as Yankee. Those were done against the N.L., with inferior lineups. It seems to me that he was "worthy" of a contract in 2004 as well.

But back to the topic...

Since Rivera isn't being signed, either the Yankees believe he could be replaced in the off season, or they're not taking his threats seriously. They may be making the same mistakes they did with Petite.

I followed this closely and am 99% sure this was their reasoning. I could try to find the stories but it's hard because of all the stories about this year's signing.

Again, the Yankees will not be outbid for Rivera. They set a limit for Pettitte and let the Astros top their offer. This is not the same situation.

The Pettitte situation was just like the Red Sox and Damon in 2005.

And Pettitte was not replaced by Pavano (well, it was Kevin Brown, but that's another story).

And finally, Pettitte wanted to play in Houston. Mo has no preference to any team.

I rather enjoyed the Kevin Brown story. I loved watching the revolving door they had at that pitching spot when Petite left.

I just can't comprehend how the Yankees can justify not signing Mo now when he's obviously still able to preform at a high level. He also hasn't lost significant time due to injury.

At least the Red Sox can justify not signing Schiling now. Schiling's injury caused him to miss significant time and his ability has dipped since.

Bobo, if you were the G.M., would you sign Mo now or wait till free agency and risk losing him?

(And don't tell me the Yankees can't be out bid. They lost out on Matsuzaka remember. Everyone has $ now unless you haven't noticed this years free agency.)

What I would I do? I'd want him signed now. But the Yankees have a lot more information than I do. As much as it hurts to say it, I think they might be more suspicious about his arm than we are simply seeing his performance last year.

I don't think they'll be outbid. Matsuzaka is completely different with the sealed bid. To keep Rivera I believe the Yankees would pay $3M+ on top of any "reasonable" offer.

I see no reason that they won't be outbid. Yes, Texas could offer $30M a season, and if that's the case, they can have him.

So yes, as a Yankee fan I would feel better if he were signed...but I trust Cashman.

Also there's one thing that I mentioned before that is perhaps the biggest obstacle to him getting signed now. Rivera, for whatever reason, went to the media first. By doing so, in Cashman's words, he basically removed any chance for the Yankees to sign him, even if they wanted to. By "giving in" to Rivera, the Yankees would lose all their leverage. Players would pull this crap all the time.

Well if your hoping that someone won't offer one of the best closers in baseball an unreasonable contract, I present Gil Meche's contract of 5 yrs at 55 million.

Pitching is now at a premium and some team will force the Yankees to overpay greatly for Mariano's services.

I think the Yankees should've signed him now when they could've gotten him signed at a somewhat reasonable contract.

Now, they have to hope that some lunatic owner won't overpay to get one of the most prolific closers in history.

To me, this seems like a lose-lose situation. They are either forced to pay him an albatross deal, or cut ties with him at the end of the year.

Hopefully for you, Cashman knows what he's doing with Mo. I for one can't seem to see his logic in this.

Mo' won't go to Boston because although it's true loyalty ends with money, this is much different than Damon. Damon was only on the Sox for a few years and before that he'd been with the Royals and the A's. Also, I don't think Damon's career will be all that revered when all is said and done.

But Rivera will go down as one of the greatest closers of all time, if not the greatest, and he's been with the Yanks from day 1. For him to leave would be earth shattering to the world of baseball. Maybe more so than any other player changing teams. The Yanks will give him 2 years/24 million and call it a day...I hope. No matter what the exact terms of the contract are, they aren't getting rid of Mo. He's too good and has too great a history with the organization.

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