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SI.com's Jon Heyman checks in with a new Daily Scoop column full of rumors.
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"Mike Piazza is considering DHing in Japan if he doesn't find anything he likes in the U.S."
Just retire already....
Posted by: Teetz | November 26, 2007 at 01:27 PM
"Heyman believes the Mets are very willing to trade Lastings Milledge and have discussed him often."
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: John Peterson | November 26, 2007 at 01:28 PM
As if someone will go "nooooo, wait Mike! Don't go to Japan! We weren't serious when we said you were falling apart!"
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | November 26, 2007 at 01:33 PM
I haven't seen a lot of Mets games, but I don't see why Lastings Milledge is so hyped. He seems like another bad attitude Milton Bradley type...
I wouldn't want to trade for a bad character guy...we finally got rid of Bonds...
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 26, 2007 at 01:38 PM
Can we stop reading the following posts every year PLEASE:
"This is crazy. How do you figure is worth ?
is so dumb.
Does he not realize that is available for ?
baseball needs a salary cap. look at 's numbers:
fans are going to hate this guy.
my life sucks, so i'm going to hate some dude because he gets to play a game for a living and make jillions of dollars. id prefer some no name owner who is really driving up the prices at the ball park, and making TEN dollars for every ONE that the player actually makes, because he also owns the plaza 3 blocks down from me which is causing my rent to be so high, who is also rich enuff to dodge taxes which also makes it more expensive for me to breathe in america. but heck, i'll hate the player, because he's actually some spanish dude who grew up using a milk carton for a baseball mit who is supporting 27 families back in his home countries, becuz well, i'm an asshole."
thanks guys, we've heard this 1000 times from u now. go read an econ book and save the cyber space for intereting topics.
Posted by: bsox21 | November 26, 2007 at 01:41 PM
"I haven't seen a lot of Mets games, but I don't see why Lastings Milledge is so hyped. He seems like another bad attitude Milton Bradley type..."
So u start by admitting u dont watch mets games, whic means uv probably never seen milledge because he hasnt really taken off yet.
do u think perhaps THAT is EXACTLY why u have no clue as to why he's hyped?
where did u form ur opinion of him? from the THREE lines u read about him in some article written by some 32 yr old virgin?
Leave the Mets analysis to the mets fans. you see, we actually watch the games.
Posted by: bsox21 | November 26, 2007 at 01:43 PM
what makes milledge seem like a bad attitude type to you? aside from the sexual assault allegations in high school (which were bad, but haven't recurred), he hasn't done anything wrong. there was the high five thing, which was blown out of proportion, the claims that he didn't fit in the clubhouse, which is the same bs the dodgers are saying about kemp, and a rap song. i don't see where people are reading bad attitude from any of that. he got in an argument with an ump down the stretch this year, but who on the mets didn't? if it weren't lastings, people would applaud his passion. meanwhile, the kid's a 23 year old with an exceptional track record and a great skillset. if anything, he's not hyped enough, which is exactly why the mets should NOT trade him.
Posted by: e poc | November 26, 2007 at 01:44 PM
If the Mets trade Lastings Milledge and don't end up with someone named "Santana" or "Haren," I'm done with Omar Minaya. This disgruntled Mets fan is starting to realize the guy is an idiot.
Posted by: JK47 | November 26, 2007 at 01:45 PM
Hummm…
An Often-Injured, LgAvg hitting, steroid using, questionable Defensive 33YO CFer making an average of 10.5M for 4 years with a full NTC will be easy to “unload”, right? Yeah, I question his going anywhere…
And is it really a surprise that the Mets would be willing to deal Lastings with comparables just a stones-throw away in the minors? Beltran being locked up and Green stuck in RF; they don’t really have anything else to do with him. Letting him waste away on the bench is foolish…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 26, 2007 at 01:48 PM
And is it really a surprise that the Mets would be willing to deal Lastings with comparables just a stones-throw away in the minors? Beltran being locked up and Green stuck in RF; they don’t really have anything else to do with him. Letting him waste away on the bench is foolish…
No, letting Shawn Green play is foolish. Shawn Green is also thankfully no longer on the roster, so if the Mets trade Milledge they'll have to find someone to play RF. The two starting outfielders the Mets have are injury-prone, so I wouldn't be trading away versatile young outfielders if I was Omar Minaya.
Posted by: JK47 | November 26, 2007 at 01:52 PM
Don't the Mets already have their two catchers? Why would they keep talking about other guys?
Posted by: no funny hats | November 26, 2007 at 01:58 PM
Estrada isn't undr contract...If they can upgrade they will non-tender him.
Posted by: SkiBolton | November 26, 2007 at 02:03 PM
oops, sorry ~ mistakenly said Green but meant the other injury-prone outfielder; Alou.
They don’t really have a place to upgrade the team though with 1B, SS and 3B locked up. We know they weren’t able to upgrade at 2B really, and C is still a bit of a question. The team almost certainly will upgrade their offense though and the RF spot is only left to do so with, correct? Trading Lastings only to have a guy like Gomez in his place for 09 seems such a logical progression…
Posted by: darkstar1661 | November 26, 2007 at 02:05 PM
bsox...
That time of the month?
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 26, 2007 at 02:31 PM
anyone think the twins would possibly want GMJ if they trade santana to the angels? he, ervin santana, possibly wood/mathis and some other pitcher?
Posted by: fgsfsfbbbrd | November 26, 2007 at 04:11 PM
"bsox... That time of the month?"
Na, he's just an idiot
Posted by: themfightnwords | November 26, 2007 at 04:29 PM
Yeah Milledge is over hyped. All fans usually over hype their own players. For example Braves fans, they think Jo-Jo Reyes and Chuck James are the next great things to put the Braves uniform on. The Milton Bradley comparison is right I think. A possible star player but attitude problems. The Marlins wouldn't even accept Milledge for Dontrelle Willis and your hoping to get Haren or Santana..... keep dreaming.
Posted by: Barroid_Bonds | November 26, 2007 at 05:14 PM
Haha...
word!
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 26, 2007 at 05:15 PM
If I like the Uribe and cash for Dukes idea...but then the Rays might be looking for some slender amount of uspide for Dukes so as to not look completely foolish...
Posted by: gogopalehose | November 26, 2007 at 05:40 PM
"anyone think the twins would possibly want GMJ if they trade santana to the angels?"
Let me field this one: No.
Posted by: Land-Man | November 26, 2007 at 06:10 PM
Actually I think Chuck James sucks and should be in the bullpen. Jo Jo is an average 4th starter and has the potential of a 3 but not an ace or nothing.
Posted by: Bravesfanuc | November 26, 2007 at 06:27 PM
Tim, any chance of switching to a comment service that allows ignoring users, or at least places the user's name *above* the comment, so I can recognize the name and scoll down past? You are fortunate to have a lot of knowledgable commenters here. It would be nice to avoid the childish, profanity-laden no-content flamers.
Posted by: mind_vs_body | November 26, 2007 at 06:38 PM
More gems from zito4cyyoung.
"I don't see why Lastings Milledge is so hyped. He seems like another bad attitude Milton Bradley type..."
When healthy Milton Bradley is a very good outfielder capable of playing all 3 positions. And...oh yeah...he mashes the ball. He was the Padres best player until he got injured...again. The Mets would be stoked if Miiledge became Bradley w/out the injury.
"and we finally got rid of Bonds"
Bonds -- OPS
2004 -- 1.422
2005 -- 1.071
2006 -- .999
2007 -- 1.045
He must have come to your house every morning to crapped on your face while slapping your mom...otherwise it didn't matter how bad his attitude was considering the sheer ridiculousness of those numbers.
Posted by: kbrooks2LA | November 26, 2007 at 06:46 PM
i meant "crap" on your face.
I always wanted to make that edit!!!
Posted by: kbrooks2LA | November 26, 2007 at 06:47 PM
All I know is that Miguel
Cabrera is going to be an Angel, I personally want GMJ, he is a stud when he is leading off or 2nd. We put him into 5 spot after Garret Anderson got hurt. Then Willits emerged. He is a good player.
Posted by: angels fan | November 26, 2007 at 07:35 PM
kbrooks you should either slow down when you read my posts or get your mom to translate...
I'm talking about CHARACTER. I route for good guys like Cal Ripken or Jerry Rice.
I guess you prefer -
Milton Bradley - Choked his pregnant ex girlfriend
Jamal Lewis - Drug Trafficking
Miami Hurricanes - List too long...
These athletes never did anything to me personally, but If someone doesn't value human life, that does bother me....
You must be one of those wannabe thugs in the bleachers at dodger stadium that would rather fight and throw things than actually watch the game...
No worries, we never have to hang out, so it's cool...
Peace
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 26, 2007 at 07:37 PM
Milledge and cash for Mike Hampton.
No physical will be provided for Hampton.
Posted by: Land-Man | November 26, 2007 at 08:01 PM
Yeesh, how can you judge the character of a player you've never actually watched????
Mitlon Bradley's "character flaws" are completely different from Milledge. Can you cite any specific comparable traits between them other than being athletic African American Outfielders who can hit? And don't say "they both have baggage," because that's not even remotely specific.
Bradley's a whiner. When he gets down, he gets lazy and irritable. Doesn't run balls out, picks fights, etc. Milledge has never displayed any tendencies remotely like this. In fact, if anything, Milledge's biggest problem is that he gets carried away with enthusiasm. He does his post HR high-five dance with Reyes before he gets into the dugout, or parades around the outfield getting fans fired up, or flips out at an umpire about a called third strike after he's just seen two teammates do the same in the last week.
You've never watched Milledge play? Well I've watched almost every game he's played with the Mets. And in that time he's done nothing but hustle, play hard, and whatever it takes to help the team. He may be a little cocky, but he's not selfish, he's not whiney, and he's definitely a gamer.
Posted by: MEddler | November 26, 2007 at 08:09 PM
MEddler..
I didn't say He WAS. I said it "seems" like he is...
Man, people get crazy here when you say something about one of their guys...
haha
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 26, 2007 at 08:13 PM
Meddler is right... from the things I hear on Milledge (and I am a Mets Fan, his biggest attitude problem is that he is cocky. Its not so bad to have a confident/cocky guy like that. The veterens on the team will shape him up. At least he has the tools to be cocky about.
Posted by: HiFiRays | November 26, 2007 at 08:28 PM
Milledge can hustle all he wants, but he's not really that good.
Posted by: nph248 | November 26, 2007 at 08:29 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3129086
The Yankees are talking with the Twins about Johan Santana.
Posted by: metafrantic | November 26, 2007 at 08:29 PM
Fair enough zito. I just felt you were being fairly presumptuous, even if it was speculation. Milledge being a player I like very much, I took exception. Plus, I'm bored and I like writing about baseball, so don't start the fire if you can't take the heat ;).
As far as how "good" Milledge is:
He's not a fully developed ball player, but draw up some comps for yourself, you'll see he's well above average for his age class in just about every way. He's a good natural hitter, but his batting eye needs improvement. This doesn't come across from his statline, but watching him, he's still learning to shorten up in certain situations. He gets away with it due to excellent raw batspeed.
Going with the batspeed, his power numbers project very nicely, especially for a player with other good tools. He could be a 20 HR threat as soon as next year if he got everyday playing time (7 HR in 184 ABs in 2007).
Like his hitting, a lot of his other skills are also plus but unrefined. He has excellent speed but poor acceleration. I don't mean Jose Reyes speed, but probably a better top speed than David Wright. He needs to work on explosiveness on the basepaths and out of the box if he wants to use it as an offensive weapon though.
The good speed/low acceleration works out pretty well for him in Center Field though, but what happens every now and then (especially in the corners) is that he takes a bad first step and has much more trouble compensating than he should.
The thing to be taken here is that he HAS the tool (speed), the skills can be learned, and he's doing it at a very nice pace.
Its a similar story with his arm. Its a canon, but he's wild with it. He's made some of the best RF throws I can remember from the Mets in recent years (including those of Endy Chavez), but he's also made some really bad ones.
Basically, he's a very solid, budding ballplayer, but he's still got a few rough edges. Is he a Future Hall of Famer? Certainly not. Is he a perennial all-star candidate? Probably not. Will he make a few all-star teams and have a solid above average career? Highly probable. Does he have the trade value of Matt Kemp? Nope. Does he have the trade value of Melky Cabrera? He probably has more.
Fair enough for an amateur, slightly biased, fan's eye scouting report?
Posted by: MEddler | November 26, 2007 at 08:35 PM
The perception that Milledge is a bad guy probably comes from the fact that this guy is an unbelievable talent who is in every trade rumor involving the Mets.
You don't hear any Milledge is "untouchable" comments today.
When someone is as talented and young as Milledge AND the team wants to move him it feeds into the speculation that he is a bad guy.
I'm NOT suggesting that he is. Just offering a possible theory why people believe that.
Posted by: bjsguess | November 26, 2007 at 08:41 PM
"Milledge can hustle all he wants, but he's not really that good."
Man I hate to think what you'd have thought of Tori Hunter at age 22. Or Jose Reyes. Or Carl Crawford. Or even Alex Rios at age 23. Funny, the the only one Milledge hasn't clearly outperformed through this point in their careers is Crawford. And even he put up basically the same hitting line Milledge did as a 22 year old, he just stole more bases. But I guess in this case we can ignore the fact that Milledge's minor league numbers are much better.
Posted by: MEddler | November 26, 2007 at 08:44 PM
MEddler..
Moises is coming back right? Mets have a pretty sick offense...might be hard for Lastings to get ABs.
Now if you want to get rid of that 3B of yours...we'll take him lol
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 26, 2007 at 08:52 PM
Hard to get ABs?
Alou in LF
Beltran in CF
Milledge in RF
Posted by: JerseyMetFan | November 26, 2007 at 10:28 PM
Zito...
Actually, Milledge is the opening day Right Fielder as of right now. He's an upgrade over Shawn Green, so that "sick" offense would be a little sicker if he's there.
Having a "sick" offense also means the Mets can afford to sacrifice offense for pitching if the deal's right. Obviously, Wright and Reyes are going nowhere. You don't trade young MVP candidates (as in cracking the top 10 before age 25) already signed to affordable long term contracts. Especially not for rentals or $25 million contracts, no matter how good the player is.
Milledge is the next most appealing piece. He'll be on a roster and starting opening day 2008 no matter where he is. He has 20 HR potential and he's above average in CF.
In fact, stack Milledge up against Matt Kemp. Milledge's minor league line is .305 / .385 / .479 in 1173 ABs. Kemp was .310 / .358 / .518 in 1579 ABs. Their OPS are nearly identical and Milledge was nearly a year short on ABs. Its not like Milledge's numbers were padded in the lower levels either. In fact its the opposite. Milledge started his Rookie Ball season after Kemp, and yet he reached every level from A+ on before. They were both rushed, but Milledge had NO chance to get settled, and he still put up just as good of a line.
Obviously, Kemp's bigger and has more raw power, but Milledge's batting eye is clearly superior. This is further evidenced by Milledge's career minor league 251/109 K/BB. Kemps is 319/107. Short by more than 400 ABs and Milledge managed to draw more BBs (although neither K rate is particularly pretty). And its not like Milledge offers no power (like say, Melky Cabrera), where Kemp's poor batting eye could be a legit concern.
Give Milledge another 400 ABs and we'll see how he's stacking up with Kemp at the big league level.
Posted by: MEddler | November 26, 2007 at 11:10 PM
Milledge hasn't stayed at one level long enough to put up eye-popping numbers, but other than his first major league stint in 2006, Milledge has hit well at every level.
Let's look at Milledge's accomplishments:
2007:
-Slugs .446 and posts 105 OPS+ as a 22 year old in MLB
-Racks up .970 OPS in 19 minor league games
2006:
-Puts up .388 OBP in a brutally difficult hitting environment in Norfolk at age 21
2005:
-Shreds AA ball at age 20: .337/.392/.487
2004:
-Crushes A ball pitching to the tune of .340/.380/.580 at age 19
Despite being young for every level he's played at, and spending some time in some very difficult hitting environments, Milledge's career minor league line is .306/.380/.480. He also plays a premium defensive position if you need him to, and has a cannon arm.
People who say he isn't good are just haters. The guy has done nothing but play excellent baseball since the day he was drafted.
Posted by: JK47 | November 27, 2007 at 12:25 AM
This "character guy" nonsense is the biggest load of crap going. It is basically just code for guys who are white and/or keep their mouths shut.
Jerry Rice was an aloof weirdo who spent an hour getting dressed in the mirror before every game. Cal Ripken hurt his team for years by playing when he was hurt/over-the-hill only to chase some personal record. Yet these guys are both cited by zito fan as "character guys" worthy of being cheered.
The truth is we don't have the first clue about the character of 99% of the guys who play pro sports.
How come an arrogant jackass like Jeff Kent can bad mouth his teammates and he is seen as a veteran leader "whipping the youngsters into shape" whereas a guy like Gary Sheffield is seen as a team killer (despite being popular with many teammates and being awesome at baseball).
At the end of the day, anybody who is doubting/questioning Lastings Milledge's character at this point is INSANE!
Posted by: PurpleStuff | November 27, 2007 at 12:51 AM
Purple...
Nice comparisons...
You are right, Jerry Rice looking into a mirror for a long time is DEFINITELY as bad as choking a woman
Cal Ripken playing hurt is FAR WORSE than drug trafficking...
You certainly showed me!
Posted by: zito4cyyoung | November 27, 2007 at 11:24 AM
First of all I wasn't comparing the situations. Just saying that the guys you mentioned aren't necessarily stellar human beings or "good character guys", they just happen to be media darlings who were also very good at their respective sports (notice how there is no complaining about Randy Moss now that he is catching TD's again).
There are plenty of shitty people who also happen to play pro sports well. Karl Malone has scores of illegitimate kids but because he worked hard on the b-ball court and talks like a good ol' boy he is still seen as a "good guy." I guess my main point is that 99% of athletes are probably assholes (just like the rest of us) so to characterize some as bad apples (especially when they have no criminal record or anything like that as is the case with Milledge) and others as stand-up guys (simply because they haven't been in trouble publically or because they give it 110% on the field) is ridiculous.
Posted by: PurpleStuff | November 27, 2007 at 01:10 PM
JK47: "Puts up .388 OBP in a brutally difficult hitting environment in Norfolk at age 21"
How is Norfolk a difficult hitting environment? I've lived in that neighborhood and gone to many games there and it's a pretty small field...I agree though that Milledge is going to be a great player. he needs more regular playing time, but a remember more than a few extra-inning games that he'd get a walk-off hit.
Also, I don't think that Brian Schneider is all that available. the nats value him for what he does behind the plate, not in the batter's box. he's still needed to teach a thing or two to Flores (thank you Mets).
Posted by: bignatsfan | November 27, 2007 at 04:06 PM