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It looks like Billy Beane has pulled the trigger on a trade for Dan Haren, sending him to the Diamondbacks for a package of prospects. The departed: Carlos Gonzalez, Brett Anderson, Dana Eveland, Greg Smith, Chris Carter, and Aaron Cunningham. The A's also sent right Connor Robertson to the D'Backs.
The D'Backs also completed another deal, sending closer Jose Valverde to the Astros for Chris Burke, Chad Qualls, and Juan Gutierrez.
Tim will be around later to share his views on the trade.
-Joe
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WTF??!!
Posted by: 04Forever | December 14, 2007 at 05:36 PM
I don't understand the Valverde trade. Why would they want that trash?
Posted by: thenockmlb | December 14, 2007 at 05:37 PM
d-backs are going to win the west yet again thanks to the trades, in and out, that they have completed today, good for them
Posted by: 04Forever | December 14, 2007 at 05:39 PM
will houston have any pitchers left besides oswalt, and now valverde
Posted by: integr96 | December 14, 2007 at 05:41 PM
I'm not too familiar with the D'Backs farm system. Are these top-notch prospects going to Oakland?
Posted by: ReardenTech | December 14, 2007 at 05:41 PM
Who is Gutierez? I dont understand the Valverde trade for the D-backs. Good move by the astroes though. Even if the 'Stroes are rebuilding they could lock him up for a while.
Posted by: themfightnwords | December 14, 2007 at 05:41 PM
The Valverde deal makes no sense, but the Haren deal for both sides looks like a good trade. The D-Backs are stacked with young talent and could afford to give up some of it, and im sure the As got some good players as they have a great eye for good young players.
Posted by: WHITESOX | December 14, 2007 at 05:42 PM
I think Beane out Beaned himself if that makes any sense. With Haren under control for 3 more years, there is no need to make this deal now. Unless he was just absolutely blown away by this offer, I don't like it.
I would have waited to land a premier prospect.
Score one for the Dbags.
Posted by: TC1991 | December 14, 2007 at 05:44 PM
all the players the a's got look really promising. it's kind of amazing that the diamondbacks could do this and the callaspo trade without taking a huge hit to the farm system. they've really done a good job with the farm in the last few years.
Posted by: e poc | December 14, 2007 at 05:45 PM
Chris Carter and Aaron Cunnigham were with the White Sox minor league system last year, but guys are a few years away but are good prospects. Those are the only 2 prospects I can speak of. I may be wrong, but I think the As could have done a little better, but they probably did good.
Posted by: WHITESOX | December 14, 2007 at 05:45 PM
awesome trade.. Glad to bring in a closer instead of just giving it to Qualls.. Burke did nothing but hit that homer in the playoffs. Gutierez had high hopes but was quite disappointing when we called him up this year. Qualls was always decent. Glad to see Wade grab a pitcher whos not a middle relief.. I know I know they need starting pitching. A few days ago he was talking about just going into the season with the current roster. GREAT TRADE
Posted by: AstrosWin | December 14, 2007 at 05:46 PM
all of these guys are premiere prospects. carter's destroyed aaa two years in a row now. all the rest are young and have performed consistently spectacularly in the minors. great trade for oakland. great trade for the dbacks too, for that matter.
Posted by: e poc | December 14, 2007 at 05:47 PM
Astros, I love you but...
Oswalt
Wandy
Woody
Backe
Sampson
To quote Bone Saw from the first SpiderMan movie "You aint goin NOOOWHERRRRE!"
Posted by: Laputian | December 14, 2007 at 05:50 PM
The D-backs get potential out of the Astros deal. Qualls is a solid middle reliever/set up man.
Chris Burke has never gotten a chance to play 2B and be an everyday player. His best year is the year he got the most playing time. HOWEVER he has yet to prove he can be the guy, so its a flip of a coin for Burke.
Lastly Gutierrez is a promising prospect. So he could potentially turn into a good player for the D-Backs.
On the other side of this trade: The Astros got a great deal in Valverde. it hurts to lose Qualls in our thin Bullpen but Valverde in return is great!
Posted by: AstroJon | December 14, 2007 at 05:50 PM
"all of these guys are premiere prospects. carter's destroyed aaa two years in a row now. all the rest are young and have performed consistently spectacularly in the minors. great trade for oakland. great trade for the dbacks too, for that matter."
You're thinking of Chris Carter v1.0. He was traded at the end of last year and this Chris Carter was acquired a couple weeks ago from the White Sox for Quention. He is real young, only playing in A ball. The rest are great prospects though. Good trade for both sides.
As for the Valverde trade, I dont really know what the crap that is. Im honestly glad they got rid of Valverde, but I think there may have been more than that available somewhere.
Posted by: mattyp221 | December 14, 2007 at 05:52 PM
haha i always picture it as
Oswalt
backe
sampson
woody/wandy both pretty bad
theres a chance they could still get someone.. Silva, Lieber, Prior, ANYBODY..
Posted by: AstrosWin | December 14, 2007 at 05:52 PM
there went the Astros pitching depth (as marginal as it was). Can't say I miss seeing Qualls and Burke go, but Guitierrez could end up being a mid rotation starter or a good arm in the pen.
Posted by: Darin | December 14, 2007 at 05:53 PM
I have the knowledge on the prospects: Aaron Cunningham is 21, and he has good potential to be a high average and 20-homer guy in the bigs, but he's a couple years away. Gonzalez is the guy that has through-the-roof potential. He struggled a little this year, but then raked the second half of the season. He's 22. Brett Anderson is a lefty control specialist, and his slider was ranked tops in the system by BA about 2 weeks ago. He projects to be a middle rotation to maybe a No. 2 starter. Eveland projects no higher than a 5th starter or OK bullpen arm. Chris Carter is 21 next week and he's a very good pwer hitter, and he's a few years away. I've never even heard of Greg Smith, so he's not good.
Posted by: johansantana17 | December 14, 2007 at 05:53 PM
Wandy is not pretty bad, at home last year he was great, it was on the road that he was extremely terrible. He posted a nice K rate, he should not be a marginal starter on the pretend fan made depth chart.
Posted by: Laputian | December 14, 2007 at 05:56 PM
Dana Eveland was part of the Brewers farm system in 2006...and was part of the trade to get us Vargas and Estrada. When he was up here in the Majors had some problems but he was called up straight from AA to pitch for us.
I am surprised that Velverde was not more expensive...I think the Brewers asked about him and the Dbacks wanted one of our untouchables.
So who is going to be in the bullpen for the Astros.
I know of:
Velverde
Broccli
????
????
???
???
It does not help to have a good closer if you dont have the rest of the pitching to get you leads
Posted by: erbacaine | December 14, 2007 at 05:56 PM
Now for the Valverde trade. Burke is 27, and he's no more than a backup. Qualls is an OK bullpen arm (not like Arizona needed any more). Gutierrez was ranked 4 on the "Stros top 10 prospects by BA. From what I've heard, he has a good low to mid 90s fastball and a developing change and curve, though he doesn't get an overwhelming amount of Ks. He doesn't have smarts though, and his control isn't horrible but could be better. He's 24, and he could be a back-of-the-rotation starter. Pretty horrible trade by Arizona if you ask me.
Posted by: johansantana17 | December 14, 2007 at 05:59 PM
good deal for both sides on the haren swap. but the dbacks could have gotten a lot more from valverde, and the astros will be relying on a guy who had one good year. classic beane move, trade a closer after a good year, the save truly is the most overrated stat in baseball
Posted by: txrangers22 | December 14, 2007 at 06:00 PM
Astros fans, Valverde is always an adventure. Prepare yourselves.
Posted by: mattyp221 | December 14, 2007 at 06:00 PM
Great Trading Dbacks YES im an Angels/Dbacks Fan and right now i want that world series..
You realize now the diamondbacks have the two best pitching deals in the mlb Webb is getting like 5m a year and so is Haren Those are two Cy young canidates for some prospects that will be good but right now what was harens era last year??? hahaha IM SO F**KING HAPPY haaa Valverde had a carrer year last year and his Value is Up ITS A GREAT DEAL....GO DBACKS!!!
Posted by: WilllGoAngels27 | December 14, 2007 at 06:00 PM
A full-on white flag from Oakland.
We can pretty much ink The Angels as divisional champions for the next two seasons.
Posted by: revrobby | December 14, 2007 at 06:01 PM
He looks like a Pirate, adventure comes with the look.
Posted by: Laputian | December 14, 2007 at 06:02 PM
@ mattyp221
So is Qualls. And Burke is a pop up machine.
Posted by: Darin | December 14, 2007 at 06:02 PM
and more trouble for houston down the road, read keith laws blog about the tejada trade
Posted by: txrangers22 | December 14, 2007 at 06:03 PM
something doesn't add up for the Haren trade. Brett Anderson just isn't Beane's type of guy. He might flip him to another team right away. Carlos Gonzalez isn't Beane's type either.
Posted by: ahorsefish | December 14, 2007 at 06:04 PM
Favorite Thing about this trade my two fav teams help each other out..no more haren aginast the angels in chockland and Haren and Webb in AZ i love this soooo much. And valverde is sooooo fun to watch 3 run lead going in 1 run win going out or a tie game you know it dbacks fans YES
Posted by: WilllGoAngels27 | December 14, 2007 at 06:04 PM
Well to me if Valverde was so valuable then why did they only get that package..
how many years does Valverde have on his contract..1 year?
Posted by: erbacaine | December 14, 2007 at 06:04 PM
He must have stolen that move from Brad Lidge.
Posted by: Laputian | December 14, 2007 at 06:06 PM
Well I know why the Dbacks got rid of Valverde...he was making some crazy contract demands after Cordero got paid.. and the D-backs have Pena ready to take the closing job.
Wow just thought you would get more for him than that.
Posted by: erbacaine | December 14, 2007 at 06:08 PM
Angels/Dbacks fan?
I feel sorry for you, you are privy to some boring ass baseball.
Posted by: TC1991 | December 14, 2007 at 06:10 PM
So does this mean that the A's on in full fire sale mode...because I would love to see the Brewers get Chavez to play 3rd base moving Braun to LF.
Posted by: erbacaine | December 14, 2007 at 06:11 PM
if beane does have a marlins like firesale, imagine the haul of prospects they could get for street, blanton, and chavez...scary to think about in 2-3 years
Posted by: txrangers22 | December 14, 2007 at 06:15 PM
So I guess Blanton can pack his bags. What about Street? He would garner a lot of interest from basically every team in baseball - what are the chances he becomes available? He has that injury risk, but he can be dominant when healthy.
Posted by: achilles17 | December 14, 2007 at 06:19 PM
As an Astros fan, I have mixed feelings about the Valverde trade. From a short term perspective, I like it. I have always liked Valverde and he fills a need. But this is a risky and questionable trade from a long term perspective. The Astros' farm system has dwindled to a few good pitching prospects, and now those are being dealt. D-Backs' fans, I have watched all three of your new players a lot, and they provide a lot of potential. Qualls is a very good late inning reliever right now--he has downright nasty stuff--and he could develop into a good closer at some point (and if he does, this trade won't look so hot for the Astros). Gutierrez is a hard thrower who has been inconsistent in AAA, but has very good stuff. Gutierrez looked good in his September call up, working both out of the bullpen and as a starter. Burke most likely is a utility infielder. But keep in mind that he was the Astros' top prospect, and a top ten prospect overall, only 3 years ago. So I wouldn't totally write him off.
Posted by: CJ | December 14, 2007 at 06:26 PM
Wow. nice deal by Wade.
And all you guys were ripping on his stockpiling of middle relievers.
Astros fans know Qualls can't close, he's too homer prone.
Great trade for the Astros and rest assured Wade's far from done. You'll see a starter and maybe a set up candidate sign soon.
As i see it,
Oswalt
Backe
Wandy
FA
Williams or Sampson
Posted by: astrosfan | December 14, 2007 at 06:36 PM
The A's probably think Rich Harden is finally healthy
Posted by: dc | December 14, 2007 at 06:37 PM
I was thinking the opposite, that Harden wasn't healthy and they have no shot this year.
But I think you're right dc, he probably passed the eyeball test and Beane figured Haren was expendable. That would mean that Street and Blanton would not be on the market.
It'll be interesting to see.
As a Red's fan, I think we lost some leverage trying to acquire Bedard.
Posted by: bweav44 | December 14, 2007 at 06:47 PM
Given the Angels' improvement towards the 2008 season (as dumb as the Hunter contract was, it does make them a better team this year, although maybe not for the next four), I don't think Beane would trade Haren and only Haren. Unless he thinks he can compete in 2009, which is possible but not a sure thing, I don't see him retaining much of his team. He could get a haul for Blanton, Street and Chavez (depending on the interest in Chavez), and would increase his chances of fielding a winning team when the new stadium opens in 2011. Beane NEEDS a winning team in 2010 if he wants to retain interest going into the new stadium, and if he thinks his best shot is throwing in the towel now, he will.
The A's clearly won't compete next year. Could they in 2009 if they retain their core? That is the question Beane has to ask himself, and if he thinks not, then it is best to start selling off people now.
Posted by: achilles17 | December 14, 2007 at 06:54 PM
The D-Back if healthy next year have to be considered the favorite to come out of the NL. The mets currently do not have the starting pitching, neither do the cubs and the padres have questionable offensive ability.
How good will the pairing of Brandon Webb and Dan Haren be the the playoff's.
Nice Move, I am just glad he didn't end up in the AL East...
Posted by: BJays Fan! | December 14, 2007 at 07:20 PM
erbacaine- There's 2 years left on Valverde.
He's one of those pitchers that could go either way. Personally I think he'll be pretty solid for the next 2 years so this trade should work out for the Astros.
What a BAM day for the DBacks. All this waiting and then 3 trades in 1 day, although there's not much talk about the Callaspo trade.
Posted by: tmar | December 14, 2007 at 07:25 PM
Horrible news for the NL WEST, great news for the Dbacks. Haren and Webb will be 1 and 2 on CY young votes. Coupled with Owings, Davis, and if Randy Johnson comes back to even 75% of himself, that rotation is even scarier than it already is. If their offense can step it up, this team will be reminiscent of the 2001 WS Champion Dbacks, led by 2 dominant pitchers.
Posted by: Chillin | December 14, 2007 at 07:59 PM
My guess is the Dodger office is working the phones late tonight.
Posted by: tmar | December 14, 2007 at 08:47 PM
Erbacaine -- the Brewers will not get Chavez. The Brewers are not hunting for a third baseman because they already have Braun. Also, they A's are not in sale mode. they thought they got the better end of the deal for this trade.
The deal with the A's will have mixed results. I could see the D'backs being in trouble, because all they have is pitching. Thier pitching staff is best in the NL right now, but have a terrible offense. The team needs to trade for some position players, perhaps even somebody that will have 20 or more homers. I think the defensive prospects they traded away were worth the same to them as Haren.
The deal for trading away Valverde makes sense. The club already has another closer lined up, and Valverde is at his prime right now. This was about the maximum they could hope to get for him, but i think the Stros got the better deal. They get a great closer for a set of decent prospects. The Diamondbacks get a reliever nowhere close to Valverde, in Chad Qualls. They get a terrible infielder who has a bit or prospect blood left in him. they also get a weak infielder who will never be good. He will be a minor leaguer for ever, and is not worth anything.
Overall, the Diamondbacks have come out well on the day. They get a decent reliever back for Valverde and they end up with an ace. Good job Byrnes, but GET SOME OFFENSE!!!
Posted by: bronx | December 14, 2007 at 09:03 PM
Hopefully all of our highly-rated prospects will develop some more offense this season.
If you look at the hype, all of our hitters 1-8, or 9 when Owings is pitching, should hit pretty well. We'll see if the develop in time.
Posted by: tmar | December 14, 2007 at 09:13 PM
Its not fair too say that the Dbacks are the favorites in the NL,because the Padres cant hit. Peavy and Young and Webb and Haren are both top notch pairs of guys, and neither team is an offensive juggernaut. The Dbacks lost a lot of 1-0 and 2-1 games last year. I have been calling for this move forever though and I love it. Byrnes is an awesome gm.
Posted by: nrmax88 | December 14, 2007 at 10:39 PM
I won't start speculating on who's the better team until all of the offseason shuffle is through. I think the Dodgers have a few moves left.
If SD doesn't do something more than just acquiring Edmonds, they're not helping their chances.
The NLW will be a 4 horse race.
Posted by: tmar | December 14, 2007 at 11:30 PM