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Mets Rumors: Kuroda, Livan, Estrada, Colon

UPDATE, 12-4-07 at 5:49pm: Jayson Stark says the Mets haven't talked to the the A's or Orioles at all in Nashville, meaning no talks for Haren or Bedard as of yet.

FROM 12-4-07 at 8:05am:

What's cooking with the Mets?  Let's round 'em up.

  • Mark Hale reports that the Mets have advanced to "Round 2" of the bidding process for Hiroki Kuroda.  They did this by indicating a ballpark of what they might offer but without actually making an offer.  Hale says 8-10 teams are in on Kuroda, including the Royals, Phillies, Diamondbacks, and Mariners.  The Ms reportedly have some kind of offer out to him, either 3/30 or 4/44.  The Phils are said to have an offer out as well.  Hale doesn't name the Dodgers but it's been said they're getting aggressive on him too.  The Cubs and Rangers are other teams that have been connected to Kuroda. 
  • The Mets appear to have mild interest in Livan Hernandez, perhaps as a fallback innings-eater option.  The Phillies, Cardinals, Nationals, and Astros are other known suitors for Livan.
  • The big fish are still out there in Johan Santana, Erik Bedard, and Dan Haren.  The Mets won't include Jose Reyes, David Wright, or Carlos Beltran in any deal.  It's been said that a Carlos Gomez/Aaron Heilman/Philip Humber package was offered for Bedard and rejected.
  • Dan Graziano says the Mets also inquired on Dontrelle Willis, Ben Sheets, and Roy Oswalt and were told none of the three are available.  Graziano adds that the Mets are looking into signing Bartolo Colon.
  • Omar Minaya will meet with the agents for Octavio Dotel and Shawn Chacon today.
  • Minaya disputes Ken Rosenthal's report that he sought an extension from the Mets and didn't get one.  Ownership told him he'll be there "a long time."
  • Though they didn't want him in the Lastings Milledge deal, the Nationals are interested in acquiring Johnny Estrada for their catcher vacancy.  Damian Miller is also known to be a target of Jim Bowden's.


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Well, isn't Snark the one that was pushing the Angels/Twins talks today?

That Stark article has to be bull. I refuse to believe that they're not even TRYING to get a SP...

Would be cool if they trade Estrada for Rauch :o

I read in the paper that the guys Minaya was talking about were too pricey

" Ownership told him he'll be there 'a long time.' "

Please tell me they're lying. I can't take another year with that moron.

they're lying :P he's signed through 09 and that will be the end of him

If the Mets can't pull something shocking and get an ace, then they will flop big time next season. In that case Minaya will essentially have to pray that Fernando Martinez develops and becomes a worthy center piece to a deal for an ace.

But I still think Minaya could get Bedard if he was willing to mortgage the teams future. How could the Orioles turn down a package of Fernando Martinez, Carlos Gomez and Mike Pelfrey? Regardless of the fact that Martinez isn't MLB-ready yet, its not like the Orioles will contend soon, and Martinez has unreal potential. But whether Minaya would be willing to deal Gomez and Martinez is quite unlikely.

"Please tell me they're lying. I can't take another year with that moron."

So good riddance then.

"If the Mets can't pull something shocking and get an ace, then they will flop big time next season."

Why? Just a gut feeling? Or do you think that for some reason the Phillies pulled away from the Mets this winter. They added a closer and lost Rowand, a big producer for them last year. Just curious.

"But I still think Minaya could get Bedard if he was willing to mortgage the teams future. How could the Orioles turn down a package of Fernando Martinez, Carlos Gomez and Mike Pelfrey? Regardless of the fact that Martinez isn't MLB-ready yet, its not like the Orioles will contend soon, and Martinez has unreal potential. But whether Minaya would be willing to deal Gomez and Martinez is quite unlikely. "

I agree. It is very unlikely that Omar trades all 3 big time outfield prospects in one winter. You guys have to remember, the Mets are in better shape with Minaya then they had been since like 1988. Basically, since 1990 the team is in by far the best shape it has been in over that time period right now.

If the O's really dont want to trade Bedard in the division, that limits their options. Not saying it couldnt be topped, but I think a Fernando Martinez, Mike Pelfrey, Phil Humber, Joe Smith package might be something to consider. Maybe Omar could take a bad contract back or throw in a lower level prospect. I am not holding my breath, but it isnt impossible.

People say Omar has to prove himself this winter by "acquiring an ace". This is a joke. 1st of all, he shouldnt have to prove jack. 2 years out of taking over we were within one game of the WS. Last year they collapsed, but were in first all season long and then fell apart, but still finished one game out of the division. About 6 years ago, I would have done anything to have a team playing meaningful baseball in september. 2nd, you dont prove yourself by signing an ace, or trading for a true ace, unless you trade for him before he reaches ace status(e.g. Dan Haren, Barton, Calero for Marky Mark). That just means you are either willing to trade big time guys in your system. As others have said, pretty much any team could make a big offer or Santana if they were willing to clean out the system. The signs of a good GM is finding cheap young players that become good ball players. Omar has a great eye for talent. Bringing in guys like Maine and Perez are great moves, bring guys other teams have given up on. You can argue that Milledge was a bad trade, but the fact is you really cant argue because we have no idea how it will turn out. Omar used Xavier Nady and and Kris Benson to get us over 500 innings of sub-4 era ball out of our starting rotation in 2007. His maine and perez acquisitions far out weigh some of the minor mistakes he may have made during his tenure with NY.

Who do you guys who want Omar gone want to replace him? Want Jim Duquette back? Steve Phillips?

Omar Minaya isn't a bad general manager, I just feel like he makes a lot of short sighted moves that only benefit the team in short team. He's also made some very very good moves, who saw Perez and Maine pitching as well as they have. The guy isn't an idiot, there are still far worse general managers out there.

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