Angels Balk At Price For Holliday

What exactly are the Rockies smoking???
With a price like that, there's no way they really want to trade Holliday

Hey Angel Fans... what about Bay or Nady to Angels? what kind of deal could we get for that?

Im sure with Bay it would be Adenhardt and another legit prospect. So i am curious to your thoughts?

"When was the last time they traded ANY young prospect?"

Alexi Casilla for JC Romero

None the less, Matt Holliday should not command an All Star Pitcher, a Type A Prospect and a second baseman that has never hit under .300 in his baseball life.

I have to agree that the price for Holliday in reference to the Angels is absolutely ridiculous. A potential future batting champion, one of two possible 16-18 game winners this year, and a top-notch pitching prospect for a year and three months of someone who will most likely test free agency?

Besides, I don't think that the Angels would pull a trade for an outfielder even if power is a big need in their lineup because they have way too much depth there.

I do expect my Braves and the Angels to commence on some talks about Teixera. The Angels were one of the other main competitors last year, and of course they have the prospect depth to pay a good price to get him. With that being said, here is a scenerio I could see Happening...

Angels get: Mark Teixera and Will Ohman

Braves Get: Adenhart, Kotchman, and one of

Brandon Wood/ Jose Adarondo/Sean Rodriguez/Juan Rivera

Now, before i get called a homer and an idiot in 15 different ways, let me rationalize. A week or so ago, I had figured the braves could get max value by trading away Tex and Ohman in seperate deals, but the Angels may be the most reasonable partner to trade both of them two. The angels of course have a need for a run producer, and they get it in tex, while they also could use an effective LOOGY, which they get in Ohman.

The braves want an elite pitching prospect and controllable 1b for Teixera, and the angels have an ideal combo in adenhart and Kotchman. I understand kotchman's dad is with the angels, but I just do not really see that being an obstacle if the Angels feel they can replace kotchman with a piece like Teixera. On top of that, the emergence of Saunders and Santana give the Angels a young core to support Lackey, so Adenhart might be more expendable now than he was in the past.

Now, as for the third piece to a deal, that is where it gets interesting. The Braves love young power arms in the pen (who doesnt), so with the depth of righties in the Angels pen, the Braves wil probably as for young Jose A. first. However, as I will probably get pointed out to me, he is the Angels most controllable arm, and perhaps after Krod the most talented. And with Krod likely to be gone after this season, he probably is understandbly nearly untoucable.

As a result, the braves probably would love to get there hands on another young potential hitter in Rodriguez or Wood. Of course, I would love to get Rodriguez based on his potential at the middle infield position, and sense the angels do have alot of depth there, I would ask for him next. However, if he is not available, wood I think could be the most reasonable third addition to this deal. The guy needs a change of scenery. He reminds me a as being Andy Marte's identical, a guy who absolutely mashed the ball and was an uberprospect until pitchers made the adjustments on him, of course exposing a major flaw that he could not adjust back. While he has stuggled, I still think he has a hell of a future in front of him, and would love to put him in left.

In regards to that, the braves have expressed interest in a dependable OF bat to put in left, and Rivera could be a possiblity for that. I do understand that he has increased his role with the Angels, so he may not be a possible target. However, the braves have had interest in him in the past, so he could be a fit.

So i guess my final proposal would be this:

Tex and Ohman to the Angels
for
Kotchman, Adenhart, and Wood/Rodriguez......

Let the roasting on me begin....

One other thing...

I can understand that the Angels may be a bit hesitant on Tex because he can just be controlled for two months, a deterrent win compared to Holliday, Bay, and Nady. However, that being said, him being controllable for a shorter period of time could mean he might be the most reasonable target because he would cost a more reasonable price in terms of prospects, and also the angels probably are one of the teams that could possibly extend Tex in the offseason.

And AA, again, before you come in here with your idiotic comments about how Kotchman is nearly Tex's identical.... He is nowhere close. BA is fine, but the ability to get an Elite run producer and a better defenseman (the gold glove and year after year numbers prove Tex may be the best defenseman at first in the game) in Teixera thrawrts any attempt you try to make in comparing the two.

Nobody is going to trade for Tex.

300/30/100 is not worth the prospects for a rental or the prospects + cash if you sign him long term, if it's coming from first base.

And the idea you can package him with Ohman to land even more quality is just laughable.

Tex is worth exactly 2 picks if the Braves hold on to him. Kotchman alone is worth more than that. He is a former first round pick contributing in the bigs today.

Kotchman for Tex is about as much as I would pay for a rental. Maybe a low level prospect as well if necessary. No way am I giving up anything crazy in addition to Kotch.

And yeah - Colorado is absurd with their proposal. No way the Angels would even consider something like that for Holliday. A package built around Adenhart is fine. Throwing in Kendrick and Santana like they are some average players is just absurd.

Actually, Kotchman is a controllable first baseman. The braves have the rights to him if they were to receive in a trade for at least two more seasons, because I do not believe he will be a free agent till after the 2010 season. He does not have the service time to become a free agent, so therefore whichever team holds his rights controls him.

On the Holliday thing, they either have no interest in trading him OR they are absolutely nuts. Kendrick is one of the top 5 young players in the league when it comes to pure batting upside, and he is a very good defensive player. Saunders and Santana are right up there with Lee, Doc Halladay and K-Rod in the Cy Young race. Reagins and Moreno should do nothing but raise a big middle finger at this proposition, particularly with a guy who has proven to be less than prolific in pitcher's parks.

Bravesbeast, it looks like you still haven't grown up and stopped calling people names

"better defenseman (the gold glove and year after year numbers prove Tex may be the best defenseman at first in the game)"

Tex's 2 GGs are all well and good, but he isn't in Kotchman's league. The only 2 who compare are Loney and Youk. Tex is handicapped by being right handed.

"The year to year status is based on the fact that Kotchman wants to receive max dollar value for his services year to year. He will receive that by going to arbitration for the next two offseasons i believe."

Wrong. Kotchman has not arbitrated yet. This year will be his first.

".280 for kotchman to .273 for Tex...."

You are including years in which Kotch bounced back and forth and was sick with mono.

"'Kendrick is one of the top 5 young players in the league when it comes to pure batting upside'

That's not true."

Really? And where do you get that? Other than his aversion to taking a walk (see Ichiro and Gwynn for others who have/had no real compunction toward walking), how is his talent not apparent? He has 20 2B in only 53 games this year, while hitting .316. He had a career minor league average of .360 and SLG of .571, combined with the speed to steal 20-30 ever year.

you guys are correct, howie kendrick is a career 360 hitter and scouts expect him to hit 320 for his career in the bigs. in my opinion hes untouchable for the angels because he solidifies their 2nd base and either leading off or hitting 2nd. for the most part, his doubters really just dont know much about him. hes a class talent and a class guy and he should be with the angels his whole career. 20 hrs and 30 stls are attainable once he matures a little bit.