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THURSDAY, 12:12am: CBSSports.com's Scott Miller says the Cubs also inquired on David DeJesus and Brian Giles.
WEDNESDAY, 10:31am: According to Ken Rosenthal, the Cubs are discussing trades for a left-handed hitter, including Raul Ibanez. He is a curious fit and would leave the Cubs with questionable outfield corner defense. But, the Mariners have to be happy that a suitor has emerged aside from the Mets. The price remains two quality prospects.
Rosenthal says the Cubs could also turn to bench players or just stand pat. The Cubs already have a decent lefty-hitting bench player in Mike Fontenot.
One left-handed hitter out there generating zero trade talk is Baltimore's Aubrey Huff (.916 OPS). Can't explain that one.
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One left-handed hitter out there generating zero talk is Barry Bonds (1.051 Career OPS). Can't explain that one.
Posted by: 1quik6 | July 30, 2008 at 10:41 AM
I would love to see the Dbacks go after Huff. Especially after the stats he put up in last nights game.
Posted by: Jude22 | July 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM
If Huff isn't being discussed, then he will most likely be the one traded. Maybe he's the reason the Mets were scouting Baltimore?
Posted by: carlosgomezisfast | July 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM
I've got to say I'm a bit confused by this one. I assume acquiring Ibanez pushes Fukudome to center, where he admittedly feels less comfortable. Also, we would have to give up two prospects, and since it won't be someone like Vitters I would assume it'd be a Ronny Cedeno or Felix Pie type guy, who could help the team this year if the need arises.
Admittedly, a 3-6 of Lee, Ramirez, Ibanez, and Soto would be nice, but I really don't mind Edmonds and the Edmonds/Johnson platoon has been a testimate to Pinella's coaching skill.
Posted by: RandomScrub | July 30, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Wouldn't Randy Winn accomplish the same purpose for the Cubs at a cheaper price? I do like the idea of having one of these guys join Fukudome and Johnson to split time in CF/RF, with Edmonds moved to a bench/PH role to replace the awful Daryle Ward. Edmonds' production is regressing back to the mean this month, and now his 36 yo body is creaking and complaining again. Cubs should count themselves lucky they got two nice months out of Edmonds.
I like a Winn trade for the Cubs more than Ibanez simply because the Giants will want young bats instead of young pitchers like Seattle, and the Cubs have some young bats in the minors available for trade.
Posted by: Johnny Rotten | July 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM
1quik6- touche'! Well put.
As an O's fan, though, I was thinking the same thing. How are teams not clamoring for a guy putting up the stats Huff has put up this year? Add to that, the fact that he's ALWAYS been a second half player, IS heating up (or HAS, more accurately), and can be inserted in any number of roles- DH, 1B, 3B, and LF (probably RF, in a pinch).
That isn't desirable? Isn't valuable? I'd bet the O's would eat a considerable portion of his contract if the price were right, too...although that's just a hunch. I'd love to see the Birds package Sherrill and Huff together and actually...you know...DO SOMETHING BEFORE THE DEADLINE!!!
Posted by: milehigh78 | July 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM
huff to the mets doesnt make much sense. delgado is on a tear and dreaming up any scenario with huff playing a position other than first is horrifying. i'm betting the reason that he hasnt been mentioned much is probably because the market for 1b on contending teams isnt exactly hot. diamondbacks might make sense as tracy and jackson have some position flexibility but youd still be forcing reynolds, tracy, or jackson out of the lineup somehow.
Posted by: brendan | July 30, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Also, carlosgomezisfast may be my new favorite screen name.
Posted by: milehigh78 | July 30, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I hope for the red sox sake this were to happen only b/c the mets might take a lil more interest in manny...but were comin down to the wire so I doubt it.
Posted by: elevenahead | July 30, 2008 at 11:42 AM
and if I were baltimore I would keep huff...this guy just keeps getting shipped around, let him stay in a hitter friendly park like baltimore...or ship him to an nl club.
Posted by: elevenahead | July 30, 2008 at 11:43 AM
I kind of like the idea of a Raul Ibanez-Randy Winn type pick up, but only if the Cubs could help another AL contender by trading them Scott Eyre and Daryle Ward, for a few minor leaguers. The Cubs' farm system isn't has stacked with talent has everyone seems. What about a Michael Wuertz for Randy Winn deal? Giants get a nice young bullpen arm, while the Cubs get a versatile OF. Again, I would want to trade Ward, at least, first. Edmonds/Winn/Fontenot has the LH bench bats would be enough. When Winn doesn't start, that is.
Posted by: jlb1980 | July 30, 2008 at 11:46 AM
I think the Cubs need to stand pat with this roster. Fontenot has an OBP in the .370's or more...no reason in the world to trade away part of your future when the bat you are getting isn't much of an upgrade when you consider how much worse it will make your defense.
I can understand trading for a back end bullpen guy...but again, no reason to give up major peices of your future for minor/questionable upgrades.
I guess it all depends on the definition of "quality prospects". I just really don't like the idea of Fukudome in CF. He is average at best there, when he is one of the better defensive RFs in the game. I also LOVE the platoon of Johnson/Edmonds in CF.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | July 30, 2008 at 11:46 AM
I'm perplexed by this rumor. Edmonds/Johnson have been getting the job done in CF. Fukudome is more comfortable in RF and signed a contract because the Cubs would play him in RF. Ibanez, in my opinion, is not worth bruising the Fukudome/Cubs relationship. I'm not saying the Cubs shouldn't make a trade, but make one for a player that will solidify their run to a World Series Win.
Posted by: karena | July 30, 2008 at 11:54 AM
the cubs should get someone who can play center field
Posted by: Juggernaut | July 30, 2008 at 12:13 PM
When did Camden Yards become a 'hitter's park'? I'd always heard it was pretty neutral. Where are you getting this?
Posted by: milehigh78 | July 30, 2008 at 12:58 PM
I am not all fired up on this rumor. I think it hurts more than it helps.
You weaken CF with Fukudome. He is an above average RFer who can spot play CF average at best, not everyday. Not to mention his offense will suffer even more just when he looks like he might be coming out of it a bit. What has the combo of Johnson/Edmonds done to hurt CF? Nothing at all. Both turned out to be great pick ups by Hendry. Other than Ward defensively, who would be worse than Ibanez? We have DeRosa to give Fukudome days off and allows Lou to mix and match a line up to include Johnson/Fonteno/Edmonds or whoever is playing hot.
If the Cubs are going to deal before the deadline Thurs., I would not mind another BP arm at all. Ofcourse, that maybe out of price range.
Posted by: studio179 | July 30, 2008 at 01:42 PM
Yeah about Raul Ibanez..................................................................................................................I like our OF so why? If you look for a left- hander of the bench go for Aubrey Huff he can play 1B/ 3B and RF and LF and his stats don't lie.
.302 average
22 homers
71 RBIs
67 runs
2 SB
I would love to see the Cubs get him.
Posted by: CUBBIES2008 | July 30, 2008 at 02:06 PM
Anyone else notice I wrote the I out of the box above this comment.
Posted by: CUBBIES2008 | July 30, 2008 at 02:08 PM
I think one reason you don't see any speculation regarding the Cubs and Huff, or Sherill for that matter, is that Hendry had enough talking with the O's during the winter regarding the failed Roberts talks. The O's are very difficult to deal with, and I wouldn't fault Hendry at all if he simply concluded he didn't need the aggravation.
Besides Winn and Ibanez, I saw Mark Kotsay's name mentioned on another site, another good option IMO. If I remember right, there were Kotsay to the Cubs rumors a couple of winters ago, I think Hendry (or one of his scouts) really likes him.
Posted by: Johnny Rotten | July 30, 2008 at 03:02 PM
Hmmm...David DeJesus not in KC's lineup today..........
Posted by: Johnny Rotten | July 30, 2008 at 03:16 PM
I think the cubs should get rid of Howry when they still can. i think once wood comes back there is no need for him. (not that there was much of a need for a mediocre 1 pitch guy anyways)
the new rookie they just picked up has proved he has the right stuff for the big leagues, and what better way to get him the experience, than by putting him in major league situations. the cubs need another decent arm in the bullpen that will give up very few runs and get outs. not a guy that throws 91 mph fastballs over and over again until the batter kills the ball.
Posted by: AJWOS | July 30, 2008 at 03:48 PM
I disagree AJWOS,
Howry should not get traded he has been a work horse ever since he came to the Cubs. Yeah I know that Samardzija and Marmol are effective and probably going to be the set- up men for Wood. But they need that veteran presence in the pen to help the young ones. I would much rather see Cubs deal Eyre, Wuertz, Cotts, or Lieber rather than Howry.
Posted by: CUBBIES2008 | July 30, 2008 at 04:04 PM
When Howry is one, he's one of the best middle/late relievers in the game. The problem is, he's been off as much as on this year. Last year, the only issues he had were early on... and he was very close to lights-out in the second half. I hold out hope that he can do the same this year.
By the way that "new rookie" in Smardie was the team's #2 pick just a couple of years ago behind Colvin. He's been the subject of debate since then as to whether or not he was what it takes to make it in a lot of places (this site included). I don't think he has long to be in the pen, for I think the team has ideas of him and Veal being the future of the rotation.
Cotts has been pitching well. Marshall has been alright... and is a strong guy to have as a long man. Lieber was pitching well before he got hurt (btw, he's on the DL... HE CAN'T BE TRADED!). Marmol is returning back to form, as I believe Howry will as well. Smardie's looked good thus far. Guadin has also looked very good thus far. So, I think a pen of Marshall/Lieber, Cotts, Guadin, Smardie, Howry, Marmol, and Wood will be a great pen once Wood gets back. That means Eyre, Wuertz, Hart can all be moved for whatever can be had.
As far as any OF options at all. The only one I'd really put much consideration into is Kotsay. He wouldn't downgrade the defense... and he'd be alright with the bat. However, he's not much more than Johnson. Honestly, I think I'd rather just stick with what we have right now for the offense, bench, and pen... and see if it's possible to upgrade over Marquis.
Posted by: Unlitedsoul | July 30, 2008 at 05:06 PM
I have one problem with everything besides the fact that howry sucks f-in d umm what happens when we get to the WS cuz i really do believe we will get there i mean the Brewers were the other best Al to me and we beat there two best aces but what happens Al beat the Nl in the allstar game The Al beat the Nl in interleague play and i believe The angles just got the only peice they needed to blow everybody away soo now what do we do to get better and its not ibanez its Sherril and we should give cedeno up for him since they need a SS hes a good bullpen guy honestly i think he would fit the Set up role reall nice f Howry!!
Posted by: grindsofine69 | July 30, 2008 at 05:28 PM
Well, Grind, by the time the postseason comes around... and hopefully the Cubs are involved... I'm sure Kerry Wood will be back and in the closer role. That means Marmol goes back to the setup role. At that point, Howry becomes a late/middle reliever with Guadin. The only concern I'd have is who will be the DH if we make it to the WS... but I'm not about to begin thinking of that yet. There's still 2 full months left to go... and 2 dangerous teams in our own division to worry about before October rolls around.
And while I'm reveling in beating the Brewers in the first 3 games of this current season... and I'll be holding my broom as I watch tomorrow night's game... I wouldn't begin to count them out. I also wouldn't take my eyes off of St. Louis, Philly, or even the Mets at this point. I also wouldn't make the mistake of believing this one series writes off Milwaukee either. If they can get either Guardado or Rhodes for their pen... that will change things a bit, considering their pen has been one of their biggest weaknesses this year.
We do have a chance to open things up a bit though. We send Harden against Bush tomorrow. Hopefully we can finally get Harden some credit for his great performance thus far... and get him his first win since the trade. Our next six are hosting Pitt and Houston. Then a week from Friday we begin a 3-game homestand against the Cardinals. Meanwhile the Brewers go to Atlanta and Cincy... then host Washington.
The Braves may be 10 under .500, but they are 8 above .500 at home. Cincy has also been tough at home. The Cards host Philly, the Dodgers... then come to Wrigley.
By the way... where's all the "bad division" talk now when it comes to the NL Central? 3 teams with 60 or more wins (and the top 3 records in the NL, 3 of the top 6 in the entire MLB)... and our last place team would be challenging for the NL West crown right now. It's also the only division besides the AL East where all teams have at least 50 wins... and our division has 6 teams, not 5 like the AL East.
Posted by: Unlitedsoul | July 30, 2008 at 11:20 PM
And while I'm reveling in beating the Brewers in the first 3 games of this current season...
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Derr... current SERIES not season.
Posted by: Unlitedsoul | July 30, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Wouldn't DeJesus take some decent prospects considering he's signed cheaply for the next couple years?
Posted by: jlowrance | July 31, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Hmmm...David DeJesus not in KC's lineup today..........
Posted by: Johnny Rotten | July 30, 2008 at 03:16 PM
Hillman loves giving players that should be playing days off, for no true reason other than they need the day off. He does it all the time with just about everybody. Grudz gets so many days off too in his system.
Wouldn't DeJesus take some decent prospects considering he's signed cheaply for the next couple years?
Posted by: jlowrance | July 31, 2008 at 12:17 AM
I would hope, as a Royals fan, and as a baseball fan in general, that he would cost more than Ibanez or Giles, given his cheap contract and his age.
Posted by: Koby | July 31, 2008 at 12:34 AM
Crap, I forgot the quotes "" up there, I wish I could edit it. Sorry for making it difficult to read.
Posted by: Koby | July 31, 2008 at 12:35 AM
I would be really happy if the Cubs added DeJesus. He may never be anything special, but he's a dependable .300 guy who'll give you some good speed, pop and defense, even if none of his skills are particularly special.
He'd likely cost the Cubs Felix Pie, as well as some additional young talent.
Something like Pie, Cedeno and Hart for DeJesus, or if the Royals wanted younger prospects, maybe Pie and Tony Thomas.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 31, 2008 at 12:36 AM
New, I apologize if redundant, but has anybody mentioned Frank Catalanotto? If so, what's been said about him? Aren't the cubs looking for a left-handed batting outfielder? Doesn't he fit stated criteria?
Posted by: mlnultra | July 31, 2008 at 12:47 AM
DeJesus has WAY more value to the Royals than anyone else seeing as he's their best hitter. He's an above average CF all around that's locked in cheaply until 2011. Why would they deal him for a garbage deal like the one proposed above?
Oh, and he had back soreness today, that's why he did not play.
Posted by: firesticks | July 31, 2008 at 12:48 AM
"DeJesus has WAY more value to the Royals than anyone else seeing as he's their best hitter. He's an above average CF all around that's locked in cheaply until 2011. Why would they deal him for a garbage deal like the one proposed above?"
Because the fact of the matter is that DeJesus is a 28 year old .280/.360/.450 hitter with little or no upside remaining. Right now he has a lot of value around baseball because he's under contract so cheaply and is still fairly young. I think that now (slash this offseason) would be a good time to move him, ya know, strike while the iron is hot. I mean yeah, he's a good player, but he's not Bay. I would expect a Nady-like package.
Pie/Thomas is a pretty solid offer for DeJesus. Presumably the Royals would want Pie included, as he could immediately take over in CF for the Royals long term. Honestly I feel like a Pie/Cedeno/Thomas/Hart offer would be pretty interested for the Royals. They need all the help they can get. A potential stud CF, a good middle infielder, a good 2B prospect and a solid reliever is a pretty good haul. Maybe the Royals would be interested in Rich Hill, but they could probably land more though so I don't see anything happening anytime soon.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 31, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Ibanez would be a great DH for the WS...otherwise he rides the bench most of the season...
Is Howry an A or B type free agent? Just curious, I think this is his walk year...hhmmm...it's actually turning out to be his trot year...sorry couldn't resist...
I could see Howry getting traded, as just about any team would be all over him, despite his recent struggles. Don't forget Samard-zilla would have been a 1st round pick, but no one would draft him because everything thought he was going to play football...so the Cubs got a 1st round pick in the 5th (or was it 6?) round...the guy's got talent and he's used to playing in front of 40k people. I think we're going to see a lot more of him down the stretch.
Posted by: Dave | July 31, 2008 at 08:08 AM
I got into the discussion about Howry being a type A or B about a month or two ago...
Here is the deal. Before the season started, he was easily a type A. However, it only uses his last TWO seasons of work, so his 06 season will not count toward it, and it will be last year and this year's performances combined. I was confident that he would be a type A, because the last three years his numbers after the break were outstanding. However, he is starting to scare me. He doens't seem to be getting the late life that he did last year on his fastball, which took it from being a 91 mph average at best fastball, to being a "heavy" 94 mph heater that everyone knew was coming and still couldn't hit. If he doesn't get that back...we will probably have to hope for a type B. However, a sandwich pick would be just fine with me. He would surely reject an arbitration offer because of this ridiculous market for relievers.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | July 31, 2008 at 09:36 AM
David Dejesus is easily having his best season in Kansas City yet. If there has ever been a better time to deal him its now. He would bring in at least three solid prospects. I would see the cubs giving up Cedeno, Pie, and someone like Hart or Samardzija... Big pull on Samardzija even though he is probably highly unlikely. But that being said I don't see KC parting with Dejesus unless they get someone like Pie who can fill in CF the next day.
Posted by: kcroyals | July 31, 2008 at 09:51 AM
"Pie/Cedeno/Thomas/Hart"
I would think that package would definitely get it done. Not sure I would want to do it from a Cubs perspective, since I see Thomas taking over 2nd base eventually...
Also, if the Cubs are going to trade Pie, and with Colvin's performance, what in the world would their future plans be for CF?? I think they hold on to Pie...but just my opinion.
Posted by: Aduncaroo | July 31, 2008 at 10:12 AM
And Jim Hendry makes the trade for...?
Please get a reliever, Jim: the homers given up by Cotts and Howry recently should be enough to emphasize this point. The Cubs' offense won't always be around to kick ass (and the other team's defense won't always make timely errors). For this situation, the Cubs need one more guy who can be counted on not to give back runs with one stupid pitch.
Get Barry Bonds too, Hendry. Sure he's a narcissistic A-hole, but at the very least he could be used as a pinch-hitter and get a walk. Plus, he's willing to play for peanuts. Hey, who knows, maybe he might "accidentally" inject himself with vitamins and hit a timely homer or two. Hmmm, vitamins....
Posted by: BigFreak | July 31, 2008 at 10:14 AM
David DeJesus? Ha, how about the Cubs using IVAN DeJESUS again!
Posted by: BigFreak | July 31, 2008 at 10:15 AM
"David Dejesus is easily having his best season in Kansas City yet. If there has ever been a better time to deal him its now. He would bring in at least three solid prospects. I would see the cubs giving up Cedeno, Pie, and someone like Hart or Samardzija... Big pull on Samardzija even though he is probably highly unlikely. But that being said I don't see KC parting with Dejesus unless they get someone like Pie who can fill in CF the next day.
Posted by: kcroyals"
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What you say here makes sense. DeJesus is hitting his prime right now. He's playing the best ball of his career. KC is a team that is looking to rebuild, and has been for a while. If you're looking to dish out a good player for prospects with potential and upside that you can either build around or help build around what you already have... this would be the time to do so to optimize the reward.
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"Pie/Cedeno/Thomas/Hart"
I would think that package would definitely get it done. Not sure I would want to do it from a Cubs perspective, since I see Thomas taking over 2nd base eventually...
Also, if the Cubs are going to trade Pie, and with Colvin's performance, what in the world would their future plans be for CF?? I think they hold on to Pie...but just my opinion.
Posted by: Aduncaroo
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I wouldn't mind picking up DeJesus, but I think this package here is way overspending for a guy who provides only a higher BA (not OBP) than Johnson is already. Sure, he's a left-handed bat... but big flippin deal!
If we got Dejesus, he is currently signed rather cheap through 2010 (2.5M this year, 3.6M next year, 4.7M 2010. He also has a team option of 6M for 2011. So, he'd be here for probably 3+ years. That gives time for Colvin to begin getting it together. Also, there is Johnathan Wyatt who is having a good year at Peoria, but struggled at Tennessee earlier. So, there are options beyond Pie.
I don't think I'd give up Thomas in this deal. DeRosa is signed through just next season. I don't think Fontenot would be a great replacement, but Thomas could be if his progress through the minors continues.
Pie, Cedeno, and Hart (or another one of the similar young arms) should suffice. Hell, I think this is overpaying! I do think that Pie will put things together and have a brilliant career. I also think Cedeno may turn out to be something worthwhile. He has shown signs of improvement this year. Hart, I think there's a 50-50 chance on him being a great reliever... or a total flop at this point. In the end, we're not talking about a big time player here. It's David DeJesus! If he is KC's best hitter right now, it just shows you how bad KC is. He's good for a near .300 BA and .350-.360 OBP... he's also good with the glove, but this is pretty much all he brings to the table. He's kinda like Fukudome with fewer strikeouts and half the walks... and a lot less upside to be honest. Is he really worth 4 fairly high prospects... all with greater upside than he has?
Besides, if we go out and get another LH bat we need one with POWER. 15 HR and 30 or so 2B doesn't represent that, nor fill that need.
Posted by: Unlitedsoul | July 31, 2008 at 01:12 PM
"I would think that package would definitely get it done. Not sure I would want to do it from a Cubs perspective, since I see Thomas taking over 2nd base eventually...
Also, if the Cubs are going to trade Pie, and with Colvin's performance, what in the world would their future plans be for CF?? I think they hold on to Pie...but just my opinion."
Of Course I never said I necessarily wanted to do the deal, I'm just saying that's probably what the deal would look like. I think Thomas can be a pretty good 2B as well, a .300/.360/.410 kind of guy that'll give you a little speed and defense. He's not too close though so he's far from a lock. I want Pie to be there as well though so I expect them to hold onto him as well.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 31, 2008 at 01:38 PM