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So it's been a bit Mariners heavy today at MLBTR. It makes sense, though. They currently own the worst record in baseball, yet have some chips that could be valuable to contending teams. Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times takes a look at a few teams that might be interested in buying what the M's are selling.
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i honestly just can't see varitek's full-time replacement being kenji jojima?
Posted by: Stan2219 | July 02, 2008 at 03:14 PM
i honestly just can't see varitek's full-time replacement being kenji jojima
Posted by: Stan2219 | July 02, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Give Johjima to the Marlins for a B prospect. Eat the contract. I can't see many teams wanting him, other than that. Maybe the Padres or Rockies for another bad contract.
Richie Sexson blows on defense, but I could see the Yankees going for Ibanez for salary relief. The Mariners have plenty of emerging outfielders to take care of the two spots not occupied by Ichiro.
Posted by: gogopalehose | July 02, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Hmmm...I guess I can't see the M's selling(and forgive the pun) low on Lowe, heh. He's only about a year removed from major surgery and is only beginning to come around(having struggled a bit with his velocity, thus getting hit rather hard). He's still one of the top 7-8 arms in the organization.
But sure, sell off Rhodes and Green, by all means.
Posted by: StarryEyed | July 02, 2008 at 03:36 PM
Jason Varitek's value is in his leadership and game calling skills. Whatever the Red Sox get from his bat is considered a bonus. As team captain, his chances of being back under a new two year contract are 99.9%. Maybe he'll be batting ninth next year, but it will almost certainly be with the Sox. Would the Sox like Clement as an heir apparent who can start 50-60 games behind the plate and spell Youkilis at first or allow Youkilis to spell Lowell at third? Sure. But they aren't going to replace Varitek full-time in '09, especially with the likes of Johjima or Burke.
Posted by: elguapo | July 02, 2008 at 03:42 PM
The Yankees have ZERO interest in anyone being mentioned here. ZERO.
They need a stiff like Sexson who can't field or hit a beachball...like they need a tabasco enema. Ibanzez is a 36 year old lefthanded hitter. They have 32 of them already. Bonds? Not chance in the world they sign a 44 year old who hasn't played all year, has serious legal issues and a bum knee.
Who writes for this column?? A Red sox fan or a Mets fan?
Posted by: jjyankeesfan2 | July 02, 2008 at 03:47 PM
Sexson and Ibanez for Kei Igawa? gives the yankees an OF if Hideki Matsui is out for a while, gives the yankees a backup 1B, and gives Igawa a change of scenery.
Posted by: fgsfsfbbbrd | July 02, 2008 at 03:53 PM
Any chances Clement is up for sale? I'm sure the Sox would be interested; along with other teams.
Posted by: soxcurse | July 02, 2008 at 04:05 PM
I would have wanted Raul Ibanez on the Yankees a couple of years ago but, now, he's an aging left-handed hitter with questionable defense ... we have a few of those already.
Posted by: rossdfarian | July 02, 2008 at 04:08 PM
fgsfs ... Kei Igawa for a bucket of balls and you have a deal
Posted by: rossdfarian | July 02, 2008 at 04:11 PM
soxcurse, the sox would probably be interested, but we wouldnt be using him at all so it'd probably just be a big waste to get him. we'd go after Jaime Burke to be Doug Mirabelli 2.0, we'll probably resign varitek to a 2 year deal around maybe 6-8 million, because he's our captain. he's the best thing we've ever gotten from the Mariners. but what do i know, maybe we would trade for clement, and maybe he can become the new Varitek when his time comes.
Posted by: fgsfsfbbbrd | July 02, 2008 at 04:25 PM
oh and P.S. typepad is horrible. i cant do two posts without logging out and back in.
Posted by: fgsfsfbbbrd | July 02, 2008 at 04:26 PM
I think the Sox are still hoping that George Kottaras will develop into their next everyday C. Right now he's hitting .233/.352/.462/.815 with 16 HR in 253 AB for AAA. The BA is a problem, but the OBP, SLG and HR rate are encouraging.
Varitek will probably get re-signed for 2 years and they'll get Kottaras some time as the ML backup in 2009 and 2010, gradually transferring playing time to Kottaras. That way he can learn how to call games and handle a staff from 'Tek.
Posted by: metafrantic | July 02, 2008 at 04:56 PM
"I think the Sox are still hoping that George Kottaras will develop into their next everyday C." I think they realize its a pipe dream with Kottaras, he needs to improve his defense and average. Luis Exposito and Mark Wagner are possibly on the horizon. I am really excited about Exposito's talent, he is putting it together.
Posted by: snugalicious | July 02, 2008 at 06:24 PM
1. While the Sox may be looking for another option to eventually replace Varitek at the end of the season, none of the aforementioned names would be logical options. Clement the M's wouldn't trade. Burke has been a journeyman backup. Johjima's only appealing feature to the Sox would be the fact that he's Japanese. It's just not going to happen.
2. Richie Sexson only ends up as the backup first baseman with the Yankees if Seattle releases him, pays his remaining salary, and the Yanks can bring him aboard for the prorated minimum. If the Yanks have to pay anything more, why would they waste their time with Sexson?
3. Any trade proposal (serious or not) involving Kei Igawa is just idiotic. First, the Yanks won't get anything of value for him. Second, they sure as hell aren't getting multiple players for him. And third, it's just not going to happen.
Posted by: Aaron | July 02, 2008 at 07:06 PM
If he hits .233 in AAA, then he'll probably hit .200 in the MLB. Not starting catcher performance, especially for a team like the Red Sox. I also hear he plays bad defense.
Posted by: Joe | July 02, 2008 at 07:07 PM
i don't understand why the Red Sox don't go out and get a quality young catcher.For example, Ryan Doumit, he can certainly hit, which Varitek and Cash can't.
The Red Sox deffinitly have the prospects to make a deal and i think they should go after Doumit.
Posted by: slapshot10k | July 02, 2008 at 08:10 PM
I couldn't see the pirates trading Ryan Doumit. They would be hard pressed to find another catcher that is as young and productive as he is, and as far as I can tell, the upper management se him as a fixture of this lineup for years to come. Now, Ronny Paulino is a different story. Even though the numbers aren't there this year, he has a nice upside that was seen his rookie year (batting average of .310). I don't know what kind of value he would bring, but he is almost certainly available.
Posted by: letsgobucs57 | July 02, 2008 at 09:15 PM
That's the first time "Richie Sexon" and "defensive replacement" have ever been used together in the same sentence without "needs a" in between...
Posted by: B Fu | July 02, 2008 at 09:31 PM
Can Boston please just go to Texas and get this settled?
The Rangers already have Jarrod Saltalamacchia at catcher long term, but they also have Teagarden and Ramirez in the minors. Thats 3 stud young catchers and a team building for the future.
Michael Bowden for Taylor Teagarden.
There. Now Texas gets another prospect to add to Hurley, Main, Kiker, Feliz, Harrison, etc.
Boston gets a legit long term catcher who will be ready to take over in 2009 in Taylor Teagarden.
Everyone is happy.
Posted by: scribbletone | July 02, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Scribbletone .... that is a reasonable proposal.
But could Texas get more than just Bowden by trading Teagarden elsewhere?
Posted by: Aaron | July 02, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Let's see here...
Sean Green isn't arb. eligible until 2010 season, so he's a league minimum reliever that pitches 3+ times a week while still having one of the lower ERAs for a bullpen pitcher in the majors. I've speculated on him being traded, but more as an add on to make the other team give closer to fair value on some bad contracts or to put with a player that can moved to get a younger player... Like for instance Ichiro, Yuni Betancourt and Sean Green to the Mets for John Maine, Jose Reyes, and Marlon Anderson.
The same thing for Mark Lowe, there's no way they are going to trade a guy who's 25 years old and is two full seasons from being eligible for arbitration, that's just dumb. Green would be more likely because of the age, but there are ups and downs to arguments with Green. On one side if they were to compete sooner than later, he could be a more veteran guy at a young players price, but it's better to get the young talent in return if it'll be three years before they contend.
As for Rhodes, this one I would bank on, especially with the way Cesar Jimenez has pitched every time he's been called up, I can't see them keeping Rhodes when they have this option. Rhodes also offers good return value when packaged to a team.
Jamie Burke going to Boston sounds likely, but I would be surprised to see them trade Johjima unless they are getting value in the trade like he is putting up his career averages. In all fairness, from the 1st of May Kenji has raised his AVG 50 points, so he's been hitting around .280 for the last two months. Ibanez is going nowhere, he's the leader of the clubhouse and will be re-signed to DH next season. Sexson isn't going anywhere unless the other team is willing to eat at least half of his remaining contract and give fair compensation... The fact that he's showing power again and hitting well, yes he's hitting mid .220s, but he's a career .264 AVG, so it's anly .40 points below his norm and 30-40 points higher than where he was when he came back from the extended benching, so he's actually been playing close to his career AVG or higher and he's a second half player, look for a good 2nd half from Richie.
All in all Rhodes is the only player that makes sense besides Burke, and there is no way the Mariners just give Sexson away when they can possibly offer him arbitration and based off his age, I think Sexson will probably try and use this offseason to secure his last long term deal, so it's a safe guess they can get sandwich picks for him. As for the Johjima it's wait and see and sell high... He'd also clear waivers and that means they could trade him for non 40-man roster guys once he clears in August.
Posted by: BaseballGuru | July 03, 2008 at 02:54 AM
anly = only, changed words and didn't catch the o was an a
Posted by: BaseballGuru | July 03, 2008 at 02:57 AM
Wow, Jose Reyes AND John Maine??? Well, at least you're not being greedy.
Posted by: bucs_lose_again | July 03, 2008 at 07:23 AM
BaseballGuru you are an idiot
So we take on your bad contract (Ichiro) get an older and worse shortstop and a 29 yr old reliever for one of the best young shortstops in the game who is controllable john Maine young and controllable and the #2 on the team. Sean Green isn't even that good.
The mets wouldn't trade reyes for santana Why would the mets trade him AND Maine for three crappy players. You could trade all those players and not get Reyes much less Reyes and Maine.
Seattle will not trade Ichiro and nobody will take on that horiffic contract. You think every GM in baseball wants to make your crappy mariners better.
Posted by: willie randolph sucks | July 03, 2008 at 07:52 AM
Scribbletone- Thank you! I've been saying we should target one of the Rangers catching prospects for some time now. We have very strong pitching prospects and they have a ridiculous amount of catching.
I see absolutely no way the Red Sox trade for Johjima. His offense is worse than Tek's, but Tek's value is primarily derived from his game prep and game calling. Tek's bat has been miserable, but this lineup when healhty will be able to withstand one subpar bat (don't get me started on Lugo, please don't do it. It won't be good for any of us). Varitek is the leader of this team, the Captain, and a Francona favorite. There's no way he gets replaced this year, let alone with Johjima.
I like the idea of Bowden for either Teagarden or Max Ramirez. They both look promising and the Red Sox are well built to be able to deal off a very good SP prospect in Bowden with the emergence of Lester, Buchholz and Masterson.
Ranger fans, would you trade one of those guys for Bowden? He was a #3/4 type coming into the season, but his "stuff" has improved this year and he's really improved his stock to a solid #3, maybe 2 if everything falls into place.
Wow, this is really long, sorry about that.
Posted by: Papelboner | July 03, 2008 at 08:41 AM
Snugalicious- totally agree on your assessment of Sox catching prospects. Kotteras no longer has much promise, but Wagner has been solid (probably not starting catcher on the Red Sox good, but we'll see), but Luis Exposito looks really promising. He had solid numbers in Low A ball through 49 games and has been just as good in his 7 games in High A ball (I know that's not a good sample size- relax). Everything I read on him looks GREAT. He's still got a long way to go though.
Posted by: Papelboner | July 03, 2008 at 08:48 AM
Man Willie Randolph Sucks,
We already know "guru" is an idiot. He knows it, so just do what I do: Ignore him or Make fun of him. Don't argue with him. It makes him feel better.
Posted by: AriGoldisaG | July 03, 2008 at 12:23 PM
AriGold, how's the breast milk today?! You are always jumpin' right off your mom's tit to get on here right after lunch, huh?!
As for Reyes, they weren't going to trade him before he's had two bad episodes of acting like a fool, he hasn't changed his showboating/egotistical displays, and they knew that they didn't have to give up Reyes because the Twins HAD to trade Santana... With Santana forcing his hand and giving two days to make something happen, it was clear the Twins were going to be picking between two teams... The Red Sox and the Mets... The difference is that Ichiro still hits better than anyone in the Mets lineup. I didn't say he has more power or is a more dynamic hitter, just that he's a better hitter, if he hit for more power, Ichiro would be your best player on the team. He's currently one of the best on the team... Also he comes with a 30MM a year t.v. contract out of Japan, so that more than covers his salary! Yuni Betancourt is twice the defender Reyes is and for age, you are talking about Betancourt being 16 months and 11 days older than Reyes! As for hitting, I've already posted how Betancourt is a better clutch hitter, LOOK, AVG with RISP says it all. Statistically they are a few homeruns in difference, but the only real seperation is the SBs. However Ichiro morethan compensates for the loss and is very equivalent. Green is JUST a reliever that will give you 100 IP out of the bullpen and a 2.XX ERA, so it's like having have a stud starter because he can pitch in almost every game. With Ichiro in RF, they can shop Ryan Church for pitching and pair him with someone else to get a solid starter if they want one... Reyes isn't that great a contract, it jumps to an averager of 10MM starting in '09 or '10. Betancourt won't cost 3MM until 2010-2011.
Posted by: BaseballGuru | July 03, 2008 at 03:50 PM
Here is a good take on the M's...
http://marinersofseattle.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Mariner2000 | July 07, 2008 at 09:19 AM