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Gammons Chat: Lucchino, Lugo, Manny

The Boston Globe has a Peter Gammons chat transcript up on its blog.  Let's take a look at his nuggets of rumor wisdom.

  • Gammons heard from someone close to Larry Lucchino that the Red Sox would not let him leave.
  • The Red Sox could try to unload Julio Lugo in the offseason, or convince him to accept a super-utility role.
  • Gammons says neither Hank Steinbrenner nor Brian Cashman have any interest in Manny Ramirez as a winter signing.  He expects the Yankees to chase C.C. Sabathia.
  • Manny apparently wants four years and $100MM, but Gammons expects something more in the three years, low $40MM range.
  • The Red Sox have been looking for a young catcher, and Gammons guesses that Jarrod Saltalamacchia or Mike Napoli could be targets.  Evan Grant suggested today that the Rangers may prefer to deal Salty and keep Gerald Laird.


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I thinks Gammons' credibility on anything Manny-related went out the window once he posted that spite-filled, slanted blog entry prior to the trade deadline.

Why should the Red Sox have to "convince" Lugo to "accept" a superutility role? It's their team, and they should play the better player who's going to give them more. And that isn't Lugo. Lowrie's ready, and is an upgrade both offensively and defensively. The better player is not always the one earning the most money.

The Sox should eat as much of Lugo's salary as it takes to get rid of him, and if they can't, tough luck to him, but he should ride the bench. At this point he's barely good enough to deserve superutility status anyway.

Any chance that the Sox might DFA Lugo if they can't trade him? Designating useless veterans seems to be in vogue lately.

The 20+ million owed him makes a DFA completely unlikely.

Gammons is a complete idiot if he thinks Manny is gonna get low $40MM for three years. Is it just me, or is this guy getting worse with age? In my opinion, he's guilty of the same thing as Manny, letting his emotions get in the way. I used to respect the guy, but now he's like the official public spokesperson of the new evil empire Boston Red Sox. Blah.

Salty would be a fantastic addition to the Redsox, I hope it happens!

yea ok.... first off. Manny WILL get 3 years 50+ million. I don't see the dodgers ponying up that kind of money, but the Mets have a void in the outfield which manny would fill nicely. I expect them to put a minimum offer of 3 years 45 million on the table for manny to take it or leave it.

I despise what manny's become as much as the next boston fan, but that doesn't change the fact that even in his late 30's he's still in the top 20 most dangerous hitters in baseball. some would argue top 10.

.400+ avg vs yankees
500 home runs
like .310 career batting avg (have to check stats on that)
2 world series championships with the sox

They say players "know what it takes" to get the job done. manny doesn't just know what it takes, he performs. Careerwise i would put him right up there with you Alex Rodriguez, Albert Pujols, ect.

I say mets offer 3 years 45 million, Rays offer 3 years 45-50 million and he accepts a job with either the Rays or the Orioles to continue succeeding in a division he has LITERALLY DOMINATED for close to a decade.

and for the triple post!

I expect mannys 50+ million contract will have incentives and the 3rd year (maybe 4) as a club option.

No way Manny takes anything less than 20M per for 3 year minimum...you guys are bitter buffalo Red Sox fans if you think otherwise. Maybe Olympiacos steps in and offers $50M per year...

Wow, all THREE of your comments scream "Hugely Biased Red Sox Fan"

love how everybody is dissin on Gammons...well people he must know something if he does what he does. You people arent working for ESPN or anything so just shut up

yeah, let's just accept whatever people in power positions tell us at face value and never question it...good one cubs land...

Who was Manny's favourite team growing up?
What team would help him get back at the Red Sox?
What team needs a DH/LF?
What team badly needs a slugger?
What team needs a face, and a person to drive the team?
Manny will be a Blue Jay next year...everything points to it. Everyone can hold me to this...I will be right!

Who can afford a $20m/year contract? Not many teams.

How many of those teams have an opening in DH (or are willing with poor defense today - atrocious defense tomorrow)?

How many of those teams will want to go 4 years with a guy who just "quit" on his current team? A team that has won 2 WS rings and is in the hunt again this year?

I love Manny and think he would be a great addition to most clubs. But not at $20m/year. That's way too much for a guy with his baggage.

BIASED RED SOX FAN? I would consider my posts the exact opposite. most red sox fans are very bitter toward manny. I'm not. he did some great things for us. time to move on though. I'm a huge advocate for the bay trade. It was time for manny to move. Has nothing to do whatsoever with being a sox fan.

As far as my comments about gammons goes why dont you do some research. Gammons was always a huge advocate for joe torre. As I said, the media is going to focus on the top teams in the league. This is the Rays, Red Sox, White Sox, Angels, Diamondbacks, Phillies, Twins, Cubs, Cardinals and Mets (and maybe the marlins).

Note: Yankees for the first time in 13 years are not on this list.

My posts may scream "hugely biased manny fan" but who doesn't have a player that they have loved for years who ends up becoming a overpaid whiney little girl.

Dont Do That: I agree with you 100% he will stay in the division because its where he's succeeded, and it gives him a chance to still hit the yankees and get back at boston for not picking up his option.

To say ESPN covers any of those teams more than the Red Sox/Yankees is ludicrous. Papelbon gets an ingrown toenail and it's front story on Sportscenter. Gimme a break. Don't be ashamed of your place in the baseball pecking order Red Sox fans, most of would love if we had a 24 hour sports channel dedicated to our favorite teams.

the reason that is news is BECAUSE they won 2 of 4 years!

1988-2000 I don't think i ever heard a WORD about boston besides them losing drasitically, mo vaughn being traded, roger clemens news, or clemens trade. It wasn't until the Nomar drama (speaking of him sitting out of big games) that the red sox even began getting any serious media coverage.

yea i'd love espn to be called Red Sox Network, but as soon as they suck again, ESPN will hop onto the next big team. The only difference is red sox fans dont cry when we dont receive media coverage.

Yankees have their network (YES)
Red Sox have their network (NESN)

Those are the biased networks. Lets not forget that the study on ESPN today said 70.8% of the country thinks the Yankees will not make the playoffs. Hence y they don't get coverage. I see plenty about the Angels, Twins, Cubs (especially Samardzija or however his name is spelled lol). Hence I don't see Angels, Twins, or Cubs fans complaining.

This is like asking "Why don't I see my little town in new hampshire on the news every day? I mean nothing ever happens but you know what I think NBC is biased to New York, Miami and LA." NO thats not how it works. you have news that people care about and it gets reported. No one cares about your little town in new hampshire. (no offense to those living in the state of new hampshire)

I would love that Manny gets 3 years, 40MM, because he would have made more money with the Red Sox but it's not going to happen. He is arguably the second best hitter on the free agent market. He is clutch. He is Manny Ramirez. I think worst case he gets 3 years, 55MM. No way he gets 4 years, 100MM. I think best case would be 4 years, 80MM. It's tough to pick a team that will sign him, though. I could see him returning to the Dodgers if they lose out on CC and if they DFA Andrew Jones with a trade of Jaun Pierre or Andre Eithier. The Angles could if they lose out on Mark Teixera. The Mets also could, but it would block Fernando Martinez. They could move F-Mart to 1B, or trade Ryan Church. The Rays could possibly. The Yankees if they're interested. There's not a clear team that needs him.

Joe: I agree with you. No matter how you look at it, he's not making 20 mil a year with anyone except the Red Sox.

Yankees passed already. Cashman I believe it was joked that if he wanted 1 year 15 mil they'd talk.

Red Sox won't take him back.

Mets as you said have F-Mart and he is much better def then manny.

I also agree with whos going to pony up 20 mil to a guy who sat out of a yankees/redsox game with no clear injury. He pulled a Nomar and saw the same thing happen. Bubye!

Mets, Rays, Jays, Angels (if no Teix), Orioles (if they decide to try to make some big signings), Twins or Cubs is where i see him signing.


However! How crazy does it sound that perhaps he signs with the Indians to end his career in Cleveland? I don't think its out of the question. They are another team that could use the boost he could give their offense. However, once again, the money will be the issue.

Also lets not forget when manny came in a pinch hitter vs mariano (who he has done well against in his career) and left his bat on his shoulder for 3 straight cut-fastball strikes. One of which was right over the middle just below the letters (where manny's made his career). NO argument. he turned around walked back to the bench and sat down.

who is going to sign a baby who acts like that?

Had to delete some comments for language.

Anyway, why WOULDNT Gammons' reporting be Boston-centric? Most of his career involved te Red Sox. It is not a problem; it is what he knows best.

Tim, that makes him a homer, not an objective sports journalist.

My point isn't to rail on old man Gammons, it's to support Manny getting his $20M per...knowing baseball economics, as i'm sure you all do, do you really think there's not an owner out there who will cave in to his demands? Sheesh, I know i'm hoping McCourt does. Manny is GOD in Los Angeles right now. Best thing to happen since Kirk Gibson's homerun. Sad, but true. Thanks for hooking us up Red Sox Nation!

Salty!Salty!Bring him on!!

Manny Stuff:

"I love Manny and think he would be a great addition to most clubs. But not at $20m/year. That's way too much for a guy with his baggage."

What baggage? Manny is worth every cent of $20 million on the field and at the box office. The economics of it all say that his so-called "baggage" doesn't mean a thing.

That said, if Manny really would sign for the price Gammons said, the Dodgers would sign him right this second. That said, it isn't going to happen because he is going to command much more money, particularly if he hits anywhere near the way he has been since the trade.

Non-Manny Stuff:

The Red Sox aren't getting Napoli. The Angels are going to stick with the platoon for at least one more year to figure out if Mathis can start hitting consistently (he has absolutely raked in the clutch). Further, Napoli's power potential is downright scary if he can shake the injury bug, so moving him to a playoff rival doesn't sound like the best idea.

i sure hope the rangers get rid of Salty for young pitching. problem is that every time he is in a major league game he keeps lowering his stock. example - PB and error tonight. i'm not a huge laird fan, but think he is producing just fine. but i really wouldn't be opposed to trading them both for pitching.

the rangers won't trade andrus because he has actually gotten a lot of media attention already around DFW, but i could see them trading beltre. he is not as well known, but is very talented. though i don't ever think it could happen, i would love for the rangers to pull another one on the bosox and get buchholz. i also heard the rangers had interest in volstad in florida, so we'll see what happens.

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