Bonser Not Discussed In Washburn Talks

WOW! I'm going to go with Washburn went to the Tigers to try to add some stability to a rotation that could see a lot of problems down the road.

Ibanez i'm not sure though. i want to say ibanez to Twins maybe?

It would be a great signing for the Rays with Crawford and Longoria down. But I don't see that many teams passing on ibanez... Twins seem like my best guess unless Rosenthal is wrong (as he quite often is) and the yankees ponied up for one or both ibanez/washburn)

I don't think the White Sox would make sense with Ibanez unless they think Quentins' injury is much more serious than just bruising and swelling. I could see them maybe running after Washburn but after Kenny's comments earlier this week I would probably take the White Sox out of this.

I agree with you Soxside. And I hope for the white sox sake in such a close race that the injury is not that bad. even ibanez cant fill those shoes.

washburn i dont see them signing. no need. the rotations been pretty stable.

#1 angels fan: I don't think so. if you suggest this being the case who would you suggest would try to make that move?

I dont see oakland, baltimore, toronto, san diego, san Francisco, or many other teams making the move.

maybe kansas city?

They dont HAVE to trade for him, they can just do it to block contenders.

What about the possibility of the Rays claiming Ibanez? Or maybe the bosox put in a claim to block the Rays.

I could see Rays with interest, but don't see him making it to them.

wish the cubs would go after Ibanez..he could share playing time in RF.

Maybe the Twins claimed Ibanez so he won't crush their pitches like he did last weekend.

The Twins may claim ibanez to make up for the White Sox grabbing Griffey.

i doubt the Tigers claimed washburn. the organization has already said they're not taking on any more payroll this year, even though we need pitching desperately.

i agree quantum. was thinking the same thing.

The Jays thought they had a deal for him at the deadline. I wouldn't be surprised if they're still interested. Ricciardi wants to add a few Ws before he gets reassessed at the end of the year, and he likes the idea of Ibanez either accepting the arb offer, or saying no and netting the Jays a couple of picks.

It might only make sense to Ricciardi to bother to do something like this, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if that's where he ends up.

The M's wanted some of the Twins young pitching but I believe everyone they wanted was on the 40 man roster. Although they could put them on waivers and the M's would have first rights to claim because of our great record. Washburn may fill the spot of whoever is traded.

Sorry oregonm'sfan:

I don't see the twins giving up any of that "young pitching" for washburn or ibanez. it doesn't make sense to trade good young pitching for average older pitching.

If it is indeed the twins who claimed washburn it will be for scrubs and cash.

Ibanez they might net something for, but I think not. twins are rebuilding for the future, not throwing away their future for a shot at this year. I don't think many would consider them a serious world series contender. they will be like the rockies IF they make the playoffs. You are forgetting they have to pass both the Red Sox and the Angels. Thats not something they are capable of at this point in time. However, their future is very bright indeed.

look at his stats if you do not believe me.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3171

he keeps his team in the ballgame. thats what hes paid to do. but to say he's any better than a washburn or byrd just represents how distorted pitching is by being on a great team.

Santana/Beckett FTW:

After the year we are having I am hoping more than anything. I see the glass half full.

oregonm'sfan: i sympathize with you entirely. The mariners this year remind me of the '05 sox. So many great players all being such big disappointments and leading to an awful finish :(. Hang tough. seattles a good organization.

however, as much as you hate to hear this, i say they shop ichiro and berdard and rebuild. Net some great prospects (they'd have no problem) and work towards a brighter future. by the time they get a great team together again, ichiro and berdard will be past their prime. Hold onto King Felix if possible and build a new team around him.

Although Ibanez to the Twins makes me scratch my head, this would be a good pickup for my Twinkies, not to mention they could let him walk after this year for draft picks.

"Although Ibanez to the Twins makes me scratch my head, this would be a good pickup for my Twinkies, not to mention they could let him walk after this year for draft picks."

Which is why to get Ibanez, the Twins would have to put some of thier young pitching on the table for the Mariners to discuss dealing him.

Why on Earth would they give him to the Twins for scraps and cash and then let the Twins let him go to get draft picks.

My money is on the Red Sox claiming Ibanez so the Rays never have a chance to make the claim. Not that the Sox actually want him, but it keeps the Rays from making an offer and there's zero chance the Mariners just say 'take him'.

"Ibanez they might net something for, but I think not. twins are rebuilding for the future, not throwing away their future for a shot at this year."

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Ibanez will be a type-A free agent and would give the Twins 2 draft picks if he tests the market. How is that throwing away the the future?

Seattle still has to look at the situation as unless they get two solid prospects for Ibanez, they keep him and get the draft picks.

Washburn on the other hand... Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Seattle should be willing to take the claiming teams AA ball-boy on the return end of a trade.

The more I think about it.....the Red Sox claimed Giles.....why WOULDN'T they claim Ibanez?

Actually soxside...Giles was traded for before the deadline. They did not put a claim in on him...not too many three team post deadline trades.

Actually soxside...Giles was traded for before the deadline. They did not put a claim in on him...not too many three team post deadline trades.

Posted by: cycub | August 13, 2008 at 08:32 PM
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Wow!

I can't say I'd be happy if the Tigers claimed Washburn or Ibanez.

my bad...my mind went out there for a minute. I'm not normally that absent minded. As for BaseballGuru, you could have about an ounce of tact with your comments. Once again, i apologize sox...i made a mistake.

"That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard," that means a lot coming from you Guru.

The update says the Twins lost the claim on Ibanez. That mean that either the Yankees, Blue Jays, Rangers, or Tigers claimed him. I think it is the Blue Jays because Yankees, Rangers, and Tigers don't have a need. That leaves the Blue Jays, who had interest in him at the trade deadline. My money is on the Jays as winning the claim.

Are the Twins the team that claimed him? It wouldn't have been for the Redsox not that Mike Lowell is on the disabled list. I guess they could always use Youk at third and Sean Casey at first, but I don't think that would work in an every day lineup. What do you all think?

News: According to the Seattle Times, Mariners SP Jarrod Washburn has been claimed on waivers by the St. Louis Cardinals. Seattle now has 48 hours to try and work out a deal with St. Louis, otherwise Washburn remains a Mariner.
Analysis: A lot of these waiver deals seem to fizzle out, but this could be one that actually has a chance of happening. If you own Washburn in an AL-only league, you might want to start making alternative plans just in case the SP ends up switching to the other side.

The M's put Ibanez on waivers because they are trying to rebuild their horrid franchise after a series of bad investments. They figured if someone was desperate for outfield help, maybe they trade over something better than the compensatory pics they'd receive. According to this post, that won't happen, so the M's will eat his salary and just get the picks.

I'll say it again for the moron who attempted to call me out earlier on here....players are put on waivers if they aren't living up to a bloated contract...if a team just doesn't want them anymore, doesn't want to pay them or he doesn't fit into any plans for the future.

Cardinals shot down the Washburn rumor...
www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/BA356FE6FAFC1A9C862574A50073EC56?OpenDocument

Sheets and Teixeira, rofl.
Silva will be moved? Seattle was the only team stupid enough to want him.

Settle down on your posts man, damn.

lol

Even with texiera and sheets the mariners would still suck. So why would ownership continue to add payroll?

Seattle trades Ichiro and Putz in exchange for Shoppach and Sizemore? That doesn't seem quite right.

I have no doubt seattle will play better next year! Tehy have a lot of real exceptional players who are real cloe to major league level but otherwise their system is pretty empty. I think rowland smith is going to be pretty darn gppd morrow is going to be elctric and when it is all said and done may be as good or better ten felix. Jeremy reed is a top notch fourth outfielder and I'm happy he's playing well again. I think blaentein and clement will only get better and both could be real good players. Betancourt I belive will get better. The mariners are in good shape for 2010 they just have a couple real bad contracts. If they could move guys like washburn and beltre and maybe even bedard they could net some great talent(Washburn would be nice to just get out of the salary). I just don't think they would be wise to sign more bad contracts. First base is the easiest position to get offense from and signing texiera would be a sexson disaster in 3-4 years. Signing sheets is just another bad idea. Listen I love the guy but seattle needs to see what they have with rowland smith and morrow.

Versus the Sox*

What's next? A Royals fan coming here saying they are going to win the WS next year.

ty for tidying up the thread tim

“FRIDAY, 12:19pm: Joe Christensen has details on the Twins' uncharacteristic claim of Washburn. He heard they offered the Mariners Boof Bonser (plus apparently the salary relief), but the Ms wanted someone like Nick Blackburn or Kevin Slowey. It is hard to see this as anything but a blunder for the Mariners' front office.“

…That’s inexcusable! The Mariners are probably in for another 5 years of being a bottom-3 team if the FO is that unrealistic with their business. Having someone take Washburn and his 09 contract for nothing more than a low-A light-hitting SS would have been worth it. Turning down Bonser (if true) is a joke…

And ~ Wow, you mean he’s like “gone”, gone? I see his post in the “Dunn/Owings” thread saying how Washburn, Silva and Bedard are these fantastic hitters is gone too…

Anyway, thanks a ton for cleaning that up Tim!

Darkstarr - you saying what I think you're saying? woo hoo!

It's kind of sad really. You have a respectable farm system, some good coaches, an owner who's willing to spend money and all are negated by their front office decisions.

I would have thought that if the mariners management considered themself to be out of contention, they would at least try to run an efficient business and cut costs where they could.

Did the Mariners REALLY pass on getting Bonser for Washboard??? WOOOOWWWWWWa - I guess that's why they're the Mariners.

Do they not realize that Washboard is 34 years old, 5-13 with a 4.58, 10 mill coming to him next year...and is on WAIVERS for a reason?? Who is in charge there now? Guru? LOL!!!