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Lets discuss the latest column from SI.com's Jon Heyman.
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they wont break up the core. no way.
Posted by: metsrock128 | September 29, 2008 at 05:00 PM
Because, really, how can you argue with their success?
Posted by: MikeMeyer | September 29, 2008 at 05:12 PM
I laugh at these teams like the mets. I love em to death but i laugh at them. they drop 150 million on Johan and then they are like "WELL OK! THATS ENOUGH!" If thats all they are going to do they just pissed away 150 million dollars.
Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | September 29, 2008 at 05:14 PM
I find it funny that the Mets got two of their 'core' only because of inaction by the Yankees.
They truly are the ugly stepsister of New York baseball.
Posted by: AndrewYF | September 29, 2008 at 05:38 PM
But who's saying they're only going to do that? All we have right now are opinions from writers who if we've learned anything, are wrong a lot. Teams and more specifically GMs don't like to give their hands away.
Also, it's kind of illegal to go out and say yeah we're going to make a run at this guy or that guy! It's tampering.
Anyways, I doubt they'll go after Manny namely because of his age, his defense, his price, and his volatile personality. He may get 4 guaranteed at 20MM and then decide to go into a rut. As a Sox fan, I saw it with my own eyes.
Posted by: Paul | September 29, 2008 at 05:41 PM
Of course, I'm talking about Carlos Beltran and Johan Santana. There is no excuse for the Yankees passing on Beltran, especially since he was offering a discount to play with the Yankees, but Steinbrenner wanted Johnson instead, and Johnson is what he got.
Imagine the Yankees with Beltran in center instead of Bernie/Damon/Melky. Yikes. That is the one move I really regret the Yankees not doing.
Posted by: AndrewYF | September 29, 2008 at 05:42 PM
I am honestly expecting a trade of Carlos Beltran. As was said above, their (lack of) success proves that they aren't doing everything right. Moving Beltran for some prospects and signing a guy like Pat Burrell, Raul Ibanez, or maybe Adam Dunn would be great for this team. Just my opinion.
Posted by: soxfan93 | September 29, 2008 at 05:52 PM
"Moving Beltran for some prospects and signing a guy like Pat Burrell, Raul Ibanez, or maybe Adam Dunn would be great for this team. Just my opinion."
If "Great" for this team is code for making it worse on paper for 2009, then sure.
There's no reason to break up a core of good, still fairly young, well above average players. Instead, find the right complimentary pieces for them to make it work. Including, but not limited to, a bullpen that isn't going to blow the lead 30 times over the course of a season.
Posted by: AdropOFvenom | September 29, 2008 at 06:02 PM
Final round, Tim. And that round, as well as the entire match, does to Deke.
Ryan Theriot: .307 BA, .387 OBP, 85 runs scored, 22 stolen bases (13 CS, however).
Rich Hill: Nada, nada, and nada. Minor league DL and hasn't pitched in well over a month.
Perhaps Theriot is still just a 'wonder-bench' player. But my point has been made: Bill James, PECOTA, Sabermetrics, and all the other bean counters can eat crap. I'd like to toss out that Theriot had an even better season than Fukudome. Whether you count Fuku's real stats or his projected stats, it's still the same.
Posted by: Deke Martin | September 29, 2008 at 06:02 PM
Interesting thoughts D wright 5... how about picking up delgados option then shipping him and heilmann to Toronto for BJ Ryan and Overbay. Delgado likes Gaston - definite boost over Overbay and they can convert Heilman to starter to fill in for Marcum. Mets get stopgap 1B and a closer.
Posted by: touchmymonkey | September 29, 2008 at 06:03 PM
I'm curious, do Mets fans want K-Rod? I really don't follow either New York team closely. Do you think the kind of money it would take to sign him would be worth it?
Posted by: OC Halo | September 29, 2008 at 06:08 PM
The only time that money is an issue for either New York club is when age is a factor, and in K-Rod's case it isn't. Then again, just look at Castillo. Jeebus...
Posted by: gigabutz | September 29, 2008 at 06:55 PM
Tru -- get your fact straight. I believe that it was this website that ended up reporting that the Twins ended up coming back to NY with Kennedy, Melky and another one of the younger guys (Marquez, Horne, etc) and the Yanks said no... Cashman and Hal were against it the whole time. they didn't want to give up the talent + the money.. Only Hank did, which is why he is a Met... The ONLY reason.
Same thing with Sabathia.. the Yanks had a deal in place, but insisted on a negotiating window... Cleveland didn't want to give them that window, so he's a brewer...
Posted by: casper | September 29, 2008 at 07:36 PM
You know, I'm not gonna make excuses for the Mets. I live and die with that team, watch as many games as I can, and will openly admit that they choked. Again. It's brutal beyond belief and there's no sugarcoating it.
That said, let me play devil's advocate here. I seem to remember the Phillies being expected to contend in 2005 and 2006. I seem to remember their underachieving "core" of Rollins, Burrel, Utley, Howard, and (for a time) Abreu, all with undeniable talent, but all failing to deliver the Phillies a division title or playoff berth.
Did they break up that core? No, and it would've been utterly stupid to do so. Same goes for breaking up the Mets' core. I don't know too many GMs who would be eager to jettison Wright, Reyes, or Beltran. Wright just needs to step up and become the leader of the team.
Posted by: ReardenTech | September 29, 2008 at 09:22 PM
What good does trading Beltran do? He did nothing but hit and play stellar defense down the stretch. He's easily one of the top 5 (maybe top 3) center fielders in baseball. His only shortcoming is that he's not a fiery, leadership-minded guy. The team needs to add a David Eckstein/Jason Varitek/Paul O'Neil type of guy. They don't need to subtract Wright, Reyes, or Beltran.
I agree, TruDru, that they need more personality. O-Cab would be most welcome!
Posted by: ReardenTech | September 30, 2008 at 12:52 AM
why isnt anyone addressing the REAL issuse on the mets. their god-awful bullpen. thats the season they arent in the playoffs. nice job omar. "lets sign santana that will solve all our problems" nice job not addressing the bullpen at all. and also, nice job you did in washington, oops i mean, montreal. if i was a mets fan id be livid.
Posted by: MillsBeastIce | September 30, 2008 at 03:28 AM
I really think the only guys who are "untouchable" are Johan, Wright, and Reyes. If I were the Mets, I would try and trade Beltran with another player to the Rockies for Matt Holliday provided we can sign him to an extension. That would give them a player who plays to win and would definately take the pressure off of Wright. Wright is struggling because he feels he has to carry this team and if struggling under the pressure. They really need a BIG name player that Wright can count on to handle some of the media attention. They should also trade for Orlando Hudson. Maybe we can throw in Castillo to the Rockies as part of the deal.
Posted by: YouGottaBelieve | September 30, 2008 at 08:36 AM
i think a trade of beltran and maybe a lesser prospect for roy halladay is good then sign manny for 2 years and dump castillo to sign orlando hudson
Posted by: yoitbematta | September 30, 2008 at 08:44 AM
I think it's strange how many Mets fans want to get rid of Beltran. Maybe he's too laid back for NY, but I have a feeling that if he's dealt then and only then will they figure out what they had and they'll miss him. Beltran may not be a legitimately great HOF type player but he is a legitimately good All-Star type player who is productive and plays a good all around game. So yeah, that's really not the type of guy teams should be willing to get rid of.
Posted by: pageian | September 30, 2008 at 10:13 AM
"i think a trade of beltran and maybe a lesser prospect for roy halladay is good then sign manny for 2 years and dump castillo to sign orlando hudson"
Did anyone ask the Blue Jays about this? Did anyone stop to think that maybe the Blue Jays don't need another expensive outfielder, but they do need their good pitchers. This deal makes no sense unless you're a Mets fan thinking that you're entitled to every good player that other teams possess.
Posted by: pageian | September 30, 2008 at 10:15 AM