Baseball Blogs Weigh In: Greinke, Manny, Burnett

"a Johan Santana type deal"

So he's saying Greinke can be had for a weak-hitting OF and three average pitching prospects? Where do the Indians sign up?

The guys Twins got arent panning out but they still all were top 100 prospects at the time. 4top 100prospects with one of them being top 50 or top 30 guy would probably get Greinke as well

Top 100 Mets prospects.

The Twins other choice was to hold Santana. Granted, this is hindsight analysis, but Minnesota is a playoff team with 2 picks coming this offseason if Smith hadn't settled for the Mets deal.

And Metsblog is quickly becoming sort of a joke. Atleast to me. They're writers, besides Matt, are pretty awful. They post nonsense there, and the annoying part is that a lot of the posters seem to have less knowledge of the game then the readers. I barely go over there anymore. I checked in today, and the first thing I see is a "rumor" about the Mets trading Beltran for Cano and Ian Kennedy. Seriously? This is a rumor?

And yes, according to Metsblog, a weak hitting 2B coming off two season ending injuries in a row, asking for over 10 million a year is a "must have guy". Listen, I love Hudson, but is his glove/ comedic ability in the clubhouse really worth 8 figures? Especially when you would have to eat Castillo's 6 mil just to get him here? So we are paying atleast 16 million a year for a 2B who is on the wrong side of 30, coming off back to back hand/wrist injuries, which may weaken his already questionable offense, instead of using that money to fix the bullpen, sign a LF, sign a SP or two, and upgrade 2B? I dont know. I would rather go after Mark Ellis I think. Less hype, less money, same production.

"The Twins other choice was to hold Santana. Granted, this is hindsight analysis, but Minnesota is a playoff team with 2 picks coming this offseason if Smith hadn't settled for the Mets deal."

Exactly. It is monday morning QBing. Nobody thought the Twins would make the playoffs, even with Santana. Santana put them into a horrible situation, and a rookie GM possibly panicked. But going back to last year, I would have taken Gomez, Humber, Guerra and Mulvey over 2 picks (or possibly one second round pick), especially on a team that wasn't going to compete anyway (which is what everybody thought. Everybody thought Detroit/ Cleveland would run away with the division and nobody even mentioned the Twins). And one year into the deal, it isn't as if these guys are all busts.

If i were the Mets, and I REALLY needed to sign Manny, i wouldnt even even bother with the option year for his contract, id try to get him for 3 for more money or bite the bullet and give him a 4 year deal and hope the numbers stay productive. if you leave anything to chance with manny, anything, hes gonna make you pay for it later with his nonsense

If I am Dayton Moore, an offer for Greinke starts with a Top 10 pick and also includes a Top 30 pick and at least a Top 100 pick. That's probably too little, now that I think about it.

That Twins blog advocates trading Jason Kubel for Robinson Tejada. As a Royals fan, where do I sign up?????

moving greinke would not be a good move. a mid-season deal for a pitcher of caliber would get more value than trading him in the off season, i think you could get a haren/bedard deal possibly more depending on the desperation of the team. it is ashame that he does pitch in kc because he is a very good pitcher that many people do not get to see

basicslop-

1. Greinke will easily net a Haren-type return. A little primer: Anderson, Carter, Gonzalez, and Cunningham are all top prospects. Eveland and Smith are 4-5 starters who both put up low/mid 4 ERAs (with some control struggles) in full seasons as starters for the A's. Greinke might net slightly less, but not significantly less. Depending on the team, it might be "the entire farm system".

2. Why would Greinke be on the down side come 2011-2012? Unless the Royals extend him, he'll hit FA after 2012, but that can be fixed by an extension. He'll be 27 in 2011. Not really the average age in which pitchers start declining (although there are exceptions).

soxfan93- Who said Greinke was comparable to Johan Santana? I said Greinke's trade value was through the roof, which is true. Young, team controlled, relatively healthy TOR starters are very rarely moved, and when they are, they fetch big bounties. Haren is better than Greinke, but Greinke shouldn't fetch significantly less. I'd wait one more year to trade Greinke if the offers weren't of a similar (but slightly lower) nature.

Santana fetched less in a deal because of the extension that reduced the number of bidders to essentially 2-3 teams. Greinke won't require a mandatory extension.

melonis rex, that wasn't directed towards you. It was meant more for people like George Purcell. I'm sick and tired of Royals fans talking like Zack Greinke is the best pitcher in baseball. Actually, he isn't even the best pitcher in his own rotation.

Again, this wasn't directed towards you, but Royals fans in general.

jason kubel for one reliever? that's lunacy. kubel was a top prospect in the vein of mauer/morneau when he was first coming up. then he got hurt, and now he's finally putting full seasons together, the power numbers are rising, and he's entering his year 27 season. and someone would think it logical to trade him for a relief pitcher? no wonder these guys aren't actually running teams. i'm all for trading kubel, but for a young third baseman or shortstop. you find relievers in the minors, through the rule 5 draft, or the waiver wire. you don't trade outfielders with power (30+ HR power to be exact) for a reliever.

"I know it's not going to happen but im just curious."

Unless Hendry got Moore really, really drunk, you are right, that would never happen.

The way I see it, Zack isn't getting traded unless part of the package is with a player you don't want to see go anywhere (from the other sides perspective). Obviously I don't know that for sure, but DM's quotes make is seem like the haul will have to be utterly ridiculous for a trade to go down.

"I don't see an ace when I look at Greinke."

I'm exactly the same way. Personally, from what I have seen, I'd rather have Luke Hochevar.

soxfan you are oblivious. KC does not make Greinke sound amazing, he is. Greinke can throw 100 mph out of the pen. Greinke has a curveball that runs up about 59 mph. He just completed his second full year in the starting rotation and his first was when he was 21 years old. Greinke has the stuff. His first senior high school game 40 scouts came to see him play. We positively know he has the stuff. Also Greinke is very young. He would be hitting the market at a strong time and given his age: which is 25 this october he would draw in a great amount of "close to ready" prospects. But i don't even see it happening after Moore saying his time to win is now. Greinke hits the bank this winter one happy man.

I don't care what he did in HS. Anyone can excel in HS and burn out in the pros. When/If he throws a no-hitter in the majors, like Jon Lester, or even Clay Buchholz, then we'll talk.

your missing the whole point in all of this. Greinke has the stuff, the tools, and the ability to be a staff ace for any team in the majors. Greinke's 13-10 record would have been much better had he had some more run support. And have you even seen Hochevar pitch? The kid barley throws over 90. Grienke is leaps and bounds ahead of Luke.