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How would the deal be better if Kelly Johnson is added? I can understand Escobar, but not Johnson. KJ is arb. eligible this season, making no sense for a rebuilding team.

The article tells nothing really new thou, its about how the Braves want him, but are unwilling to give up the prospects the Padres want (as of now).

Well at least now we have their attention.

man i really want braves to get his trade done, and sign a tier 2 free agent, then our rotation would be solid. Then we would still have enough money to sign a good left fielder also.

I agree, I dont see the Padres wanting Kelly Johnson in the deal they want players that they can control for 6 years and they are kind of loaded with ML ready 2B, none as good as Johnson but I don’t think they are that far off.

I would imagine if the Pads could get Escobar and drop Greene then that would really sweeten the pot. I also think that the move out of Petco would really help Greene who is an extreme flyball hitter and would really benefit being away from the hardest park to hit HR's in for 81 games.

drchtrpunk - Padres are not rebuilding they are cutting payroll...

This may be a double post since I hit submit and thought I saw it but now it's gone. Site has been doing some funny things lately...

I don't understand why the Braves would add Escobar or KJ. If they think Lillibridge/Prado are MLB regular type players, they are mistaken. I sure hope this isn't BC tinkering around in it, I'm beginning to shift towards the increasing number of Braves fans who feel it's his time to go and he certainly does seem to have some problem with KJ. It just doesn't make sense for the Braves to add MLB players to the package when Peavy already isn't enough to get us back into the plaayoffs not to mention adding Greene just takes even more money away we could use to throw at a Derek Lowe type pitcher. /me shakes his head

I'm not a braves or padres fan but if I'm either team I think I make this trade:
Escobar, Hansen, Gorkys for Peavy, Greene

The Padres get an upgrade at SS while lowering payroll, but the Braves still get a SS who has been OK in the past and could benefit by leaving Petco. The Padres also get Hansen, who is a top pitching prospect and Gorkys who could be a great CF. The Braves of course get an ace in Peavy.

supermets, I think you're on the right track.

But I think SD will demand more pitching than that. I'd guess we'd have to throw in either Morton, Rohrbough or Locke into that deal. (which one, really depends on how young, or how "major-league ready" the Pads are looking for.)

I'd hate losing Hanson and another pitching prospect (especially Rohrbough), but it is Peavy we're talking about...

And I agree that Khalil might do pretty well for a year in Atlanta.

As a Braves fan I would rather keep Yunel, Hanson,and Gorky. Peavy is only going to pitch every five days and Esco will be in our lineup every day. Keep in mind Hanson may be here next year. Keep our kids and sign a couple free agents.

"I don't understand why the Braves would add Escobar or KJ. If they think Lillibridge/Prado are MLB regular type players, they are mistaken."

I find this comment ironic/funny considering how much Braves fans have been pitching these guys as quality prospects to include in a Peavy deal over the last few days. Again, the Padres don't want crap for Peavy...they actually want quality prospects in return for him

boomshwa12, Lillibridge had a terrible year at the plate; most scouts still say they see him as a quality starting SS, but he did take a step back in '08. Great glove, very good speed (leadoff type). Personally, I like him and hope the Braves can keep him, but he needs to step it up.

Prado had a huge year at the plate - .320/.377/.461. He's really a 2B, who can play 3B, 1B and a little SS. He's done everything asked of him, but still most see him as more of a super-sub than an everyday guy.

I can understand being skeptical of these guys... they're certainly not "centerpieces" of a trade for Peavy, but both might have some real value.

Damn you Typekey.

In conclusion, Peavy needs to bring back solid pieces who will be a major asset in constructing the team.

Johns you only quoted part of my post. I said giving up Yunel Escobar along with Hanson and other high upside prospects is too much.

I would really prefer to keep Escobar out of this. IMO he is a budding star the Braves have under contract for a long time. Give them Hanson if we have to but keep Esco.

boomshwa12, that may be the case but they aren't me. Lillibridge wont be a lot worse than Greene in my opinion but I've never put Prado in an offer I've proposed on this website. Lillibridge is servicable and then they can find some other team to shed Greene's salary onto for some A ball pitcher but I don't want his contract and certainly don't want to give up Escobar to get it. If we deal Escobar/KJ plus 2 or 3 good prospects in a deal for Peavy, we basically break even as far as I'm concerned. Peavy is great but we would be making significant downgrades at both SS and 2B while dealing multtple prospects away and increasing our payroll which lowers the amount of money we have to fill holes through FA. It just doesn't improve our situation.

I don't think the Mets trade Martinez for Valverde.

jfish26101...point taken. i'm not trying to call anyone out; i actually like lillibridge. i was just making a point about the quality of prospects the padres will want

Braves22, I hate to disagree but I'll believe Prado is an every day regular when I see it.

I do hope you are right though about that package. I'd rather not trade Rohrbough if Hanson is in it to but I can definitely part ways with the rest of them. Question though, where is the MLB ready CF'er they say they want? I'd swap Rohrbough with Schafer and push it as much as I could if I were Wren.

boomshwa12, it's cool.

For me, I'd initially go with Gorkys (personally I think he has greater upside than Schafer but we need to keep the more MLB ready player for next season), Rohrbough, one of Morton or Jo Jo (personally I think Morton will be a good #4/5 next year and Reyes has mental issues at the major league level, but maybe the Padres will prefer him. If I were them I wouldn't touch him though.) as a start. In addition, I would add in Kris Medlen who had a breakout second half in AA and pitched 16 innings in the playoffs with 22 Ks and only 2 earned runs. That's a future centre fielder and 3 very good pitchers - one MLB ready, one who could be up at midseason and one who will be there a year or so later.

You then have good pitchers such as Diamond, Redmond and Valdez who all had great seasons but are maybe not expected to reach the heights of the top prospects, but could be good bullpen arms.

Lillibridge and Brandon Jones are at the moment just fillers in deals. They have good potential, but don't look like fulfilling as it stands.

Khalil Greene has negative value for me.

If Towers starts demanding two or three of our top, top prospects then I'd say "thanks, but no thanks". We shouldn't mortgage the future to contend in 2009 when it's not clear whether we can or not and we have plenty of payroll flexibility to acquire talent by other means.

i realize f-mart is very young and has a lot of room to grow, but based off his stats i don't see how he isn't worth valverde. valverde's era is a little inflated b/c he had some mechanical issues to start the season, and that's where most of his blown saves came from as well. he was a great reliever after he fixed his issues and still finished the season with a 3.38 and 44 saves. he also got one of those saves after being nailed in the head by a line drive...the guys a beast

i could see his pending free agency being an issue, but i'm sure the stros would allow a window for an extension.

having that said, if ya'll could make the deal work w/o giving f-mart up then all the power to you. i was trying to make the deal make sense for the padres too, tho

AirmanSD Kelly Johnson is a better MI than anybody on the Padres current roster.

Johnson had an amazing 2nd half and scouts feel that he can be one of the better 2B's in the league.

As they said, KJ would be added to "sweeten" the deal. KJ would not be sent as a centerpiece.

If the Braves do trade Esco I do not want Greene. Greene has a high salary and is not a very good player. I would make a run at Edgar Renteria.

Braves22 - I don't think Prado is much of an improvement over KJ at 2B, if at all. I think for all intents and purposes it's a wash, although some argue one player is better than the other. KJ is kind of robotic/rigid at the position, but has a great arm on the DP as well as relays. Prado is more fluid, and probably has better range, but he makes some bonehead plays from time to time and takes horrible positions on relay throws. It's almost the same type of comparison with their offensive game. Both players are valuable but excel/struggle in different areas. For my dollar KJ is the superior player but thats mho.

They should wait, and not mortgage anyone until July. Braves have 45+ to spend on whatever theyre needs may be. Why delve in to prospects when you don't have to do that. it took I think 4 quality prospects to get tex, who is now kotch/marek. Was it Worth it? Negative.

I would love to chat about this trade. Does anybody want to set up an AIM chat?

The Braves are closer than you think. Chipper has shown the last couple years that when he is healthy he is one of the very best hitters in the game. We have a very good middle infield with KJ and Escobar. Kotchman should be solid and Mac may be the best offensive catcher in baseball. The bullpen is very good with Gonzalez in the closes role and Soriano and Moylen back from injuries.

With the addition of Peavy and another solid starter the Braves could easily contend next year.

i still know chipper can hit, he something like 370 this yr? but with hudson out already, and if chipper gets hurt. the club goes into tailspin. even if chipper is fine, but they cant make this trade, i think the club goes into spring, no matter wat else they do, disappointed. just my thoughts.

btw, wat does anyone think of my suggestion? mcdonald shows hes near ready(playoffs), hu prob needs a yr., young could take over right for giles ina yr, and the pros would prob need to be a cf, at least mid level

Pelfrey for Valverde??? That would be a beyond horrible trade for the Mets, and that's putting it lightly....

so astros get peavy giles
padres get: Pence (CF/RF)
W. Rodriguez/Paulino (SP)
Sutton (2B)
Norris rp
niese and
mets get: valedere and greene that would be beeter

i meant to putniese and a lower prospect from the mets

Astros would take that deal because Giles would replace Pence in our RF. We will be hurting without a true closer like Valverde, but we do have some internal options in Hawkins (if he signs with us), Geoff Geary, Fernando Nieve and Samuel Gervacio.

The only question would be if the Padres would go for that...but, as Towers said today, "Jake is driving the train"...so if Peavy really wants to be with Oswalt in Houston, he could make the Padres take that deal.

And a rotation of Oswalt and Peavy at the top would make us instant contenders in the NL Central.

like i said, i dont watch them alot, because i just dont get their games. i was talking based on chipper injury history last 4yrs, and hudson out. btw, u never know how an older pitcher can come back from surgery.

"Can they make a trade during post-season? Don't they have to wait for the end of the WS?"

No, teams can make trades during the post season.

That link about the Cardinals looks like it's completely BS to me.

Khalil Greene sucks. Why would the Braves want an overpaid, underperforming ss, when they have a young stud already. The deal will revolve around minor league pitchers and a quality minor league everyday player. The Pads are limited in what they can ask for because of the small market. And what does any of this have to do with the Mets?? Why do stupid met fans always have to have something to say?

I guess it makes sense that the Dodgers would make a run at him. It would allow them to get the #1 pitcher they need, and still be able to afford Manny and Furcal and maybe Blake or someone similar.

ChiefTomahawk:

The Braves are in wait-mode because the Padres have to see what the other 4 teams (especially the Astros) have to offer for Peavy. Peavy wants to come to Houston as his first choice but the Astros need either the Mets or Tigers to cough up some pitching prospects to send to San Diego for our closer Valverde.

I really don't think the Jake Peavy wants to be with the Dodgers. Possibly the Braves, but Jake Peavy has wanted to be with Oswalt in Houston for over 3 years. He will be dealt to Houston. No doubt about it. I understand that we don't have enough minor league talent, but we have major league ready talent.
Here's a good trade to me...

Astros get:Jake Peavy,
Brian Giles

Mets get:Jose Valverde

Padres get:
Brandon Backe,
Alberto Arias,
Brad James,
JR Towles,
and(GODDAMNIT, but we'd have to give him up)Felipe Paulino.

Chief,

Here is the quote from the Alyson Footer article link at the top of this thread..

"Peavy's first choice, according to the MLB.com source, is Houston, but it is unlikely that the Astros have enough Minor League talent to offer the Padres, who are seeking starting pitching and, possibly, a center fielder."

Because the Astros don't have enough starting pitching to send to San Diego, they have to involve the Mets or Tigers and send Jose Valverde to them for starting pitching that would go to San Diego.

He doesn't really hit for average (which is overrated) and struggles with his OBP, but that only makes those OPS's he put up that much more impressive. Like I said, he's at the least a shortstop with elite defense and power; how many teams can claim to have one of those?

Brent Schafer? Steroid suspension? What's it like living in a constant haze of stupidity?

Brent Schaeffer is the former Tennessee and Ole Miss QB. He wasn't even very good at football, so I'd understand why the Padres wouldn't want him for their baseball team.

As for Jordan Schafer, he was suspended because of circumstantial evidence. He was suspended for the first 50 games, so he struggled when he first returned, but he still put a line of .269/.378/.471 line with 18 2B, 6 3B, and 10 HR in just 297 ABs. How is that at all below average for a CF? In fact, out of the top 3 CF prospects that have been mentioned (Rasmus, Schafer, and Jackson), he had easily the best numbers last season.

I'm not going to critique DrNo on his mix up of "Brent" Lillibridge and Schafer. It happens, honest mistake. What I am going to critique is his claim that Schafer stats were below average. For starters, his full-season line was .269/.378/.471. I don't have the pre/post all-star break stats but his post all star break OPS was over 1.000. So what, you ask? The first 4-weeks of Jordan's season were essentially his spring-training. Once he got re-acclimated to live pitching he raked, per usual. On top of that he would be a gold glove caliber CF in the majors had he played there this past season. If the Braves trade him with a package for Peavy, the Pads will be getting a helluva player.

A team that ranked 6th in runs & 3rd in OBP, and by all reports as upwards of $45MM to spend this offseason "sucks and is going nowhere"?

I agree with Tomahawk in order to get Peavy the Braves probably will have to give up Hanson, and either Schafer or Heyward and other people to "sweeten the deal"

The Padres would maybe if the Mets add in F-Mart.

Braves, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers and Astros

these are the 5 teams he has said hed go to. the braves completley missed and prob have a few yrs before they r good, so it doesnt make sence for them to trade their high prospects. hou just doesnt have enough prospects to do the deal, and the tigers.mets prob dont want to give prospects for bothe peavy/valverde, when less prospects could them a huston street. the cubs were the best team in the nl, and have 3 good pitcher under contract, and trying to resign dempster. really its prob btwn the cards and dodgers, unless the braves ante up, which i think is a big mistake. ill admit, i dont know a lot about the cards, but i havent heard any names being mentioned or them say they are interested. the dodgers can offer 3 pieces, hu, mcdonald, and delwon young, 2 of the 3 prob wouldnt make it on the roster or get a lot of playing time, along with adding a cf prospect. the dodgers got the farthest of the 5 named team will killing one, the cubs.

averybear11, i dont know why he wouldnt want to go with the dodgers. he could keep his family in SD, where he just built a house, likes the nl, could get back at SD 15 games yr, and stays in ca. please explain ur thinking

How about Padres get:
Heyward
Escobar
Rohrbough
Reyes

Braves get:
Peavy
Green
I dont know the financial ramifications but the padres then could trade young A. Gonzalez for another good haul of prospects as they have Kyle Blanks a beast who can only play first base and will be ready in a few years

Note: A. Gonzo not to Atlanta as they already have Casey Kotchman

i'd like to hang onto both prado and kj. i think they should give kj another year to try and improve on his defense and consistency. if it doesn't work out, we could always give prado a shot full-time. and even if kj does do fine, prado could be a good utility player off the bench and fill in for chipper when he needs a day off. as for getting greene, i would think that he would be considered as having negative trade value at $6.5 million. or is that just me? i'm really excited about the idea of getting peavy, but if escobar, schafer, or heyward are a part of the deal, i'll be disappointed.

SuperChargers,

No way Heyward and Escobar move in the same deal. Schafer and Hanson would be off limits too if the Braves did finally decide to make Heyward available. The only way he becomes available is if it really reduces the price in terms of the other parts going to San Diego. If not, it makes more sense for the Braves to include 2 of 3 out of Schafer, Hanson, and Escobar. Those two would be better than the top 2 the Padres could get for any of the other teams in the Peavy sweepstakes.

Mystick,

What makes you think that Houston only has to offer up a halfway decent trade? If they aren't giving up the same sort of package any of the other teams are offering, then San Diego will simply give Peavy the option of going to the highest bidder or continuing to stay on the roster until Houston ups there offer or he agrees to go to one of the other teams that he has already said he'd play for. Just because Peavy prefers Houston to the other 4 teams mentioned, that doesn't mean he's going to turn down any of those other 4 teams down to go there. In fact, I'm pretty sure as long as its one of those 5, there is no issue on Peavy's end.

Nixa-

what about
Heyward
Hernandez
Rohrbough
Reyes
for
Jake Peavy

I do not want to give up tow of Esco, Hanson, Schafer. Escobar should be pretty close to untouchable. However if we have to trade him or the others we should try to fill out the rest of the trade with the likes of Rorhbough, Morton, Reyes, Locke, Gorkys, Tyler Flowers. If we cant get it done for a package within reason do not pull the trigger. Escobar will be a star.