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Odds and Ends: Hudson, Cano, Mariners GM

Links for Wednesday...

  • ESPN's Jayson Stark reminds us that Manny Ramirez could've been traded to the Phillies in July.  But the Phils wouldn't offer Lou Marson, didn't like the idea of Manny in right field, and were concerned about Ramirez's hustle.
  • Matthew Cerrone of MetsBlog gives his early sense of the team's offseason approach.  He doesn't seem them splurging on one of the big free agent names.
  • MLB.com's Marty Noble heard Orlando Hudson "yearns to play for the Mets" (hat tip to MetsBlog).
  • Jamey Newberg believes in the Rangers' plan.
  • Joel Sherman of the New York Post doesn't believe Robinson Cano will be traded, because the Yankees are valuing him as if 2008 did not occur.  He names Fausto Carmona as an example of a pitcher the Yanks would not accept for Cano.
  • Sherman also notes that Bobby Abreu and the ivy-covered brick wall at Wrigley might not be the best match.
  • The Mariners will interview five people for their GM vacancy this week: Peter Woodfork (D'Backs), Jerry DiPoto (D'Backs), Tony Bernazard (Mets), Kim Ng (Dodgers), and Tony LaCava (Blue Jays).
  • The Angels signed Korean pitcher Jang Pil-Joong, who just finished serving in the army.
  • I did a couple of interviews recently: over the phone with MLB Interviews and over email with Pinstripes Published.


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Wish you'd quit linking stuff from Newberg, he's just a propaganda spewing homer. Can you imagine if he wrote about a good team ever?

At least get "the fair and balanced" side from the FW Star-Telegarm, a tell as is side not on the Rangers' payroll.

I'm sure O-Dawg (Orlando Hudson) is happy his agent said he wants to play for the Mets. Will Omar now try to rob him since he was robbed by Castillo last year?

Also, will Castillo just be cut?

"Joel Sherman of the New York Post doesn't believe Robinson Cano will be traded, because the Yankees are valuing him as if 2008 did not occur."

this is hilarious. the Yankees dont want to accept Cano's current value. stupid Yankees, you can pretend 2008 didnt happen, but IT DID.
according to thebaseballcube.com in 493 minor league games (1930 AB) he has career .278 AVG/ .756 OPS/.

The guy writing about Cano for Carmona being a risk for NYY, does he really think Shapiro would ever consider such swap? That would make no sense for Cleveland. If you have two guys who are "risky" and one is a starting pitcher who once won 19 games and could've won the Cy Young with a very affordable contract at just 24 years old with very above average stuff, over a second baseman who is "CAPABLE" of being a batting champion, come on, who do you take? I can't believe they would even put Cano in the same sentense as Carmona or Cliff Lee. Risky pitching over risky offense any day. Maybe it's just me, but there can never be enough pitching, be it risky or not, pitching is what wins you championships. All I can say is, GOOD LUCK YANKEES if you are really trying to get a guy like Carmona for Cano. Nobody is going to give you that. Your best bet is middle level pitching prospects for him over major league proven guys.

ilulic pretty much summed up everything I was going to say.

Carmona was injured. His peripherals were all stunningly different from his 2007 year. I have a strong feeling he will be an average SP AT WORST next year.

On Hudson. He's one of those "I'm skeptical whether its the best decision regardless of the team who signs him." type guys. I have several of those guys, maybe too many. He can defend well, absolutely.

But he has had a late season injury (August/September) that sidelined him for the remainder of the season in three of the last four years (all but 2006). Could it be trouble with the stretch run, or simply a fluke/freak incidents?

Of course, a team like the Mets are more likely to do it than a team like the Twins due to the fact that they can eat losses easier if it does turn into trouble.

Hudson will easily get 4-5 years, a Castillo type contract.

Bobby Abreu and any type of wall is a bad match. You could have a wall that is a giant mattress and he'd still act as if it were on fire.

"Bobby Abreu and any type of wall is a bad match. You could have a wall that is a giant mattress and he'd still act as if it were on fire."

Agreed. I was watching one of the nationally televised games with the Yanks, and wow, I never realized how reluctant Abreu was to go up for a deep hit ball. The announcers even made a point to call him out on it. If the cubs do try to find a left handed bat, it is very apparent, whether it is Abreu, Ibanez, or Dunn, they will be sacrificing some serious OF defense to get it. An OF of Soriano(LF), Fukudome(CF) and one of the above would be pretty bad, too mention nothing of the fact the RF in wrigley might be the hardest RF to play in all the majors.

Let's get it straight on the Yankees - they don't want to trade Cano. They would be very happy keeping Cano.

However, they need a center fielder and starting pitching. There are few attractive free agent pitchers, and no attractive center field options. Cano is frequently asked about in trades, and Orlando Hudson is a free agent, so, the Yankees have decided to listen to offers.

The Yankees consider 2006-2007 the real Cano, and 2008 a fluke season. Removing April from Cano's stats results in numbers only a little worse than last season, which gives the Yankees extra confidence in their stance. They will only trade Cano if another team shares their evaluation and makes an appropriate offer. There is no reason for the Yankees to trade Cano otherwise.

As to Carmona, look at his innings totals over the past few years. There's huge changes from year to year. The Yankees are firm believers of limiting innings increases to around 30/year. That's where the risk comes in, and I don't think the Yankees would want to go near that.

Clearly ilulic you are trying to take a knock at the yankees for something speculated by a member of the media. Think about who's talking before you go on the attack. He's paid to make headlines for yankees fans to read and thats all his article is.

Scottsdale, that's giving him too much credit. Joel Sherman is paid to generate controversy. He's supposed to say stupid things.

So, it's not okay to forget Cano's 2008, but it's alright to forget Carmona's 2008. Makes complete sense.

"over a second baseman who is "CAPABLE" of being a batting champion"

You should probably remember that Cano batted .342 in 2006, when he was 23, and then .306 in 2007 when he was 24. This isn't a guy who has the potential to be a great hitter, this is a guy who was a great hitter and simply had a poor season. The Yankees have the complete right to forget that Cano's 2008 ever happened in terms of his trade value. Why would they be in a hurry to trade a guy who before this season was thought to be a cornerstone of the new, more youthful Yankees?

Cano had a poor year, and negative feelings about him have been brought on by perceptions that he doesn't go all out. But to treat him like a solid 2B prospect is just silly, he's established himself in this league as a quality 2B at the very least, and he still has the potential to be far more than that.

That being said, honestly, I think that Carmona for Cano, in terms of trade value, is a fair deal.

The Indians would never do it though, not with Asdrubal Cabrera AND Josh Barfield already in tow. The fact that Sherman used the Indians as a trade option for Cano shows how much of a grab for attention this article is.

"this is hilarious. the Yankees dont want to accept Cano's current value. stupid Yankees, you can pretend 2008 didnt happen, but IT DID.
according to thebaseballcube.com in 493 minor league games (1930 AB) he has career .278 AVG/ .756 OPS/. "

Yeah, real hilarious. They had a young 2B produce like an allstar for 3 years, and then he has a rough season. According to you, that should just dump him off valuing him as a .270/.300/.400 2B. That would be hilarious. People have to stop just bashing the Yankees for any move they make. That shyt gets old. And I freakin hate the Yankees, but everybody is constantly looking to bash the organization, bash Cano, bash Hughes, bash Cashman, bash Hank (this is okay) at any chance they get, even at the cost of saying something really stupid just to get a shot in at the Yankees. Why the hell would they trade Cano if teams are only willing to pay for his 2008?

Why don't the Red Sox trade Beckett, but get this, instead of trying to get a return for an ace who has been dominant in his postseason career, they can just try to get value for a middle of the rotation guy! It is brilliant! Because obviously, since he had a bad year this year, nothing else he has done makes a difference and they should rid themselves of him!

"Hudson will easily get 4-5 years, a Castillo type contract."

Hudson will probably get a lot more money than that.

Can the Yankee fans throw out a few names of players they would like in return if Cano was traded?

The Juice

Well considering that I don't want to trade Cano unless it's for a proven ace, then you don't want to hear any trades because it's not going to happen. The Yanks believe that he's a fantastic, all star hitter, which he is. He just had a bad 2008 season, while he had an average BA of .322 from 06-07. If the Yankees end up trading him, it will be when the price and return is back to what it should be, not what the teams want to give, based on a fluke 08 season.

Trading Cano would be stupid. Why would they want to trade away a career .303 hitter than has loads of talent?


why is it just assumed that Cano's value is based on his 2006 numbers rather than the numbers he had in his other seasons? ill admit he is probually better than his 2007 overall numbers.
i wouldnt expect a repeat of what he did in 2006. in 06 he had .363 BABIP which is high, so i doubt he ever hits that good again.

if you throw out his april 2008 numbers his other months combined are- .297 AVG/ .325 OBP/ .447 SLG/ .772 OPS/. i would think those are more reasonable numbers for him.

i dont see why other teams would be lining up to trade for Cano anyway. 2B isnt very deep with elite players, but i certainly wouldnt put Cano in the elite class. hes Placido Polanco with a little more power.

in a trade Cano could probually bring back a #3 type SP. anyone better than that is just wishful thinking.

This offseason for the Mets is all about intangibles, and Hudson, from all previous reports, has tons of them. He's reputedly a great clubhouse presence, and will surely make less-confident players like David Wright more comfortable in a non-leadership role. The injuries concern me a lot, but the fit for him on this Met team is remarkably good. I'm pretty much split right down the middle.

And how's this for an idea:

Yankees get: 1B Prince Fielder
Brewers get: 2B Robinson Cano, OF Austin Jackson, RHP Mark Melancon

I am pretty sure Prince isn't getting traded unless there is a MLB ready pitcher involved. More like this:

Yankees get: Fielder, Low level prospect

Brewers get: Cano, Hughes, Marquez

I Never trade Player like Daniel, Him it Special, you dont found player like this every day. This Player only need Defense, him remember me Carlos Delgado, The original position of Carlos Catcher and in the LF, but never get teh defence necesary to play in the OF or Catcher position. I mind We can put Daniel in 1B and sign Sean Casey if that dont funtion. And get a good LF like Manny or Vlad.

Wow....I feel like I've found a secret Yankee fans who make sense and can see a situation correctly. With regards to Cano I am a big supporter of the dude because I realize how talented he is and what he has accomplished in his 4 years. I can't understand why anyone would think it's a good idea for us to trade him for anything less than a stud pitcher. Now I know that will never happen because it would be a stupid trade for the other team, regardless of how you value Cano's 08 season. Simply put NO team can really afford to trade a stud pitcher for a stud 2B becuase arms are so hard to find.

I cant tell you how many stupid posts I've seen where people offered Cano for a CF, back of the rotation starter or even a 1B. Like any of those deals would have really made us better? Furthermore, the Yanks are in a youth movement of sorts, trying to get younger in poistions where we can while trying to stay competitive. If they were to trade Cano who would we bring in? A 31 yr old Hudson who would want a 4 yr deal? Can you imagine how bad that deal would look in 2 years when you have a 33 yr old 2B, a 37 yr old SS and a 36 year old 3B? C'mon people. The one thing we would accept for Cano, a stud #1 or #2 pitcher, would be the one thing we're not going to get. With that being a fact let's move on and stop wasting time thinking about trading Cano and work on areas of importance. A #1 and #2 and a 1B with a bat and defense.

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