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Olney's Latest: Teixeira, Sabathia, Ramirez, Burnett

Buster Olney has some fun-to-read analysis of last night's game, as well as some solid rumors for our consumption:

  • The Yankees seem almost destined to sign Mark Teixeira this offseason, but while it's been suggested that Teixeira is seeking upwards of 10 years, $200MM, the Yankees may be looking to offer half of that, or "a deal in the range of 6 years, $18-20MM a year." Good news for the Orioles who look to be the biggest competitor for the Yankees in pursuing both Teixeira and A.J. Burnett.
  • The Yankees are gearing up to offer CC Sabathia "an offer that may dwarf those of other clubs, by a factor of 30 or 40 percent." Olney feels that may be a necessary surcharge to convince Sabathia to pitch in the Big Apple.
  • An interesting note: a few months ago, the suggested numbers for a Manny Ramirez contract were 3 or 4 years and $45MM; however, Scott Boras is effectively "working to change the perception of what is an acceptable offer... trying to raise the bar in the minds of teams, so that in the end, somebody might give him 3 years, $60MM and feel like they're getting a bargain." I'll add that Manny has done a lot, if not more, to change this perception as well.
  • Make of this what you will but Derek Jeter, whether intentional or not, contributed toward restoring Roger Clemens' image by standing beside him on the sidelines of the nationally televised Longhorns game yesterday. Olney notes, "I know a whole lot of image-conscious players who would not have done that." Clemens is still unsure whether he is officially retired or not.


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Ughhh, I hate the Yankees so much. I hate that they can just decide that they want CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira and then just go and get them both.

If that's as high as the Yankees will go on Teixeira, I don't see them outbidding the Angels.

I'll take Manny at 3 years $20M per, in a second. No more than that though.

Stupid Yankees can't help but ruin baseball. CC is going to get a stupid contract.

You hate the Yankees cause they spend money since you r a Mets fan u must love gag jobs. Go enjoy another season of your crappy junior varsity team choking.

At least the Mets had the opportunity to get into the post season on the last day of the season, unlike the Yankees who were out for weeks by then.

haha Yankees fan talking trash. 3rd in the AL east - remember that.

"haha Yankees fan talking trash. 3rd in the AL east - remember that."

Yeah, after 13 consecutive postseason playoff appearances... god, we're spoiled. Keep bringing the money players, Hank!

good ol Yankee fans talking about the past

When the Yankees have a lead they don't choke it away like the Mets do every year. We were never in the lead your choking team was 2 years in a row so lets not compare.

Hey what team are you a fan of, Larsen? I'm pretty sure that they don't have nearly as good of a history as the Yankees do. OK, the Yankees missed the playoffs this year for the 1st time in 13 YEARS. The Red Sox missed it in 06 and they came back to win the whole thing in 07. Anything can happen. People can't ever say something good about the Yankees because they're jealous of the money that they earn by doing well every single year and the money from the Steinbrenners. I'm going to get an argument about how we don't have any players from our farm system, but we do:

1. Chien Ming Wang- OUR ACE
2. Joba Chamberlain
3. Andy Pettitte
4. Jorge Posada
5. Derek Jeter
6. Mariano Rivera
7. Robinson Cano
8. Jose Veras
9. Edwar Ramirez
10. Brett Gardner
11. Melky Cabrera

Now I'm not saying that ALL of them are good, but they are not including Gardner and Melky. Those were 11 players that were on our Active Roster most of the year that were all home grown talent. The Yankees are good, you have to face facts.

Red Sox fans don't like talking about the past because its so depressing for them. "wahhhh we were cursed" , you guys just sucked for 86 years then bought a championship, and two years later actually got one you deserved. Celtics also bought a championship, patriots tried to buy one but failed.

at least the yankees have a past to talk about unlike the mets because their past consists of a world series win bc of a cheap error and 2 consecutive chokessss

You know hard it is to make the playoffs 13 straight years as the Yankees?

Go get your favorite baseball game for the XBox/PC. Remove the salary cap and force trades. Watch your team in career mode win for 13 straight seasons. That's essentially how much credit I give the Yanks for assembling a winning team.

There's two things I need to start my day right. A piping hot cup of coffee, and of course, the amusement I get from Yankee-haters.

The jealousy is so blatant, it is in fact hilarious. The Yankees are blessed with one of the largest baseball markets in the world (New York City is, after all, one of the business/financial capitals of the world). That, and they have been blessed with a very successful franchise. So is anyone surprised at the amount of money the Yanks have at their disposal? No. Is it a fault of the fans? No. Coming on to baseball trade rumor websites and wining about how the Yankees will get the free agent that you want only serves to show your own immaturity.

The fact that some teams have more resources then others and that life isn't a perfect balance of fairness is merely a fact of life. Get over it, move on, and grow up. Life isn't fair, and we don't live in a socialist economic system.

No team can make the playoffs every year. Thirteen consecutive years is nothing to scoff at. The Red Sox were playing golf in October in 2006, but they were the world champions in 2007. The Yankees had a lot of problems in 2008, but no team can be perfect forever. Just because the Yankees actually have the resources to re-tool and prepare to make a run at another World Series title doesn't mean they are "bad for baseball". The goal of every baseball team every year should be to win the world series. Stop blaming the Yankees for being more enthusiastic about that goal than some other teams.

If the Yankees need to sign Sabathia to improve their team, they're not supposed to do it? Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense... We sign players who we believe will improve our team, which is what all of the other teams should be doing if they're not doing well. An off year for the Yankees included 89 wins which is what a lot of teams in the league would love to have every year. Just because the Yankees try to improve their team, doesn't make them horrible like all you guys say they are.

"wining" is supposed to be "whining". I don't want any confusion about these baseball trolls and wining.

If you have nothing constructive to comment on, then simply do not comment. If you don't like the Yankees, then don't comment on them and read about them. Nobody is forcing you. Yet every post of that ilk that I see, my regard for your maturity drops tenfold.

The yankees have every right to spend money on their team.If other owners put that much money in their teams those fans wouldnt be complaining.its just a yankee bias and it will never stop. but what can you do.

The fact is that Steinbrenner spends the money that he earns through his franchise on good players while other owners pocket that cash.

Don't blame the Yankees for making the game interesting for their fans.

The Yankees have every right to spend money on their team, as do every other team. Spending tons of money on your team, however, isn't an automatic playoff ticket, (see Yankees and Tigers 2008).

I'd love to see Manny in Cubbie blue for 3/60 mil.

"When the Yankees have a lead they don't choke it away"

ALCS. 2004. Biggest choke job in the HISTORY OF SPORTS. Zing.

Teixera is a great defender which they need, and will have a lot more power and more rbi than Abreu gave them. Tex will be a great fit in the 3 whole.CC will get them the wins they need to get into October. If there are two people that The Boss should spend his money on, it's these 2. And if they sign Manny, put Melky in right and trade Nady for position prospects who could play defense, that wouldn't be too bad either.

And for what its worth, I hate the fact that people are out here bashing the Yankees everyday. Cano, A-Rod, Cashman, Girardi are always taking some heat. That said, the Yankees really do have some cocky, arrogant, unintelligent bandwagon fairweather fans and that is what annoys me moreso then the actual Yankee roster.

The idea of trying to live with Melky in RF, when he was not even tolerable in CF is funny to think of.

I wasn't saying that thats something they should do. But to defend myself, Melky played great defense in right and was much better than Abreu was. And if what I said does happen, which is highly unlikely, then manny and matsui's offense in the LF/DH spot will make up for Melky's lack of offense. We could definetely "live" with Melky in right with all the offense that we would get if that happens (which probably will not happen). The Yankees do need an upgrade on outfield defense though, which people are overlooking.

"the Yankees really do have some cocky, arrogant, unintelligent bandwagon fairweather fans and that is what annoys me moreso then the actual Yankee roster.

Posted by: nrmax88 | October 19, 2008 at 01:46 PM"

True, but which team doesn't? It's more apparent for teams like the Yankees and Red Sox because of their recent success. I think you can surmise that in general fairweather bandwagon fans are the worst kind, regardless of team or sport.

Absolutely. But I live in NY and most of my friends/peers are intolerable Yankee fans. I respect the Yankees and what they have done, and sure, they have plenty of good fans. The kids are the worst. They don't remember in the 80's, and in the other dark days for the Yankees, so they just assume that the Yankees get who they want, and win when they want. They just started watching games in the late 90's and it makes them impossible to discuss baseball objectively with. You are of course right though, there are these guys in every fan base. I am just more exposed to the Yankee fans then anybody elses fans.

Last time I checked the Mets and the Yankees had the same record and the Yanks got 89 wins in the AL East. The Mets couldnt beat the Marlins two years in arow. And lets not forget the Nationals who got the worst record in baseball. Give me a break. The only fans I'll let to tell me how the Yankees buy people are Marlins, Rays, Nationals, Athletic and other low market teams. Fans of the bosox, mets, cubs, dodgers, etc. STFU! Your teams have the same money as the Yankees. The difference, Steinbrenner is willing to spend the money to upgrade the team than to keep the money for himself. Other owners aren't willing to give up the money for themselves. So your telling me the Yankees are the only team that sells out, thats why they spend so much?

I dont like that the Yanks spends so much money but what can you do, dont complain, its his money.

Just to clarify. I never said it was wrong that the Yankees are spending all that money on their team each year. I just was commenting on the fact that it makes it very hard for other LARGE market teams to compete. For example, the Mets, Dodgers, Cardinals, Braves, Phillies, and Angels all would love to have either CC or Teix, and have the resources to do so as long as no one is willing to give a super big contract that blows everyone else out of the water.

Teams like the Marlins, Rays, etc... are allowed to have the 8-10 terrible years it takes to build a winner from within, but teams like the ones I mentioned above are forced to "win now" and that is almost impossible if they can't get the resources they need to do so.

yankfan1:

"[...] STFU! Your teams have the same money as the Yankees. [...]"

They most certainly do not.

The last time I checked, the point of the game is to win. Why should a team not spend the money that they are able to to give them the best chance to win that year, and wait 4 or 5 years to be good. There's nothing wrong with wanting to win. And the Last time I checked, the Mets do not have a hard time competing. Just look at the contracts they gave Pedro, Beltran, Santana, Wagner, and the extensions they gave Wright and Reyes. And the Cubs gave Massive contracts to Soriano and Zambrano, and gave Lilly a good salary as well. The Angels have the money, they just insist that they can win with what they have even though it never works in October. The Braves are probably going to get Peavy and will probable make a couple of big trades using the numerous prospects they have. And the Phillies just gave Lidge a huge contract. These teams that you have mention have enough money and are willing to spend some of it, but The Boss has a lot more than the other teams and is more than willing to spend it.

I am not complaining about the inequality in baseball. I am merely suggesting that the rest of the world isn't so impressed with Yankee accomplishments when it's bought and paid for by a system that is grossly unfair.

And no, making the playoffs for 13 consecutive years is not that amazing. You give me 30%-50% more money to spend then my next closest competitor and I can make the playoffs every year. Instead of patting yourself on the back why don't you sit back and try to understand what a colossal failure the team has been over the past 8 years. To outspend your opponents by that much and still lose speaks far more to your failures than your successes.

BTW - several people have suggested that the Yankees merely spend the money they make - hence the high payroll. While true that some teams (Florida) have fat cat owners who profit off revenue sharing instead of using it to improve the team - many teams contribute a much higher % of their revenue to payroll than the Yankees. Those teams are working on revenue streams that 30% of what the Yankees franchise brings in. And even then they can't come close to matching what the Yanks can do with their payroll.

"I am merely suggesting that the rest of the world isn't so impressed with Yankee accomplishments when it's bought and paid for by a system that is grossly unfair."

And your point is? It's not going to change the fact that the Yankees can afford any player and continue to blow away smaller franchises. As long as the Commish and the players' union enjoy their bucks, it's irrelevant to say the world couldn't care less about the Yankees success.

Making the playoffs 13 years in a row is impressive no matter how much the payroll is. Look at the other teams with that have had high payrolls over the last 13 years. How many times have they made the post season. The last 8 years is a failure by Yankees standards, but you have to acknowledge the fact that they are doing a major rebuilding effort and cutting 80 million out of their payroll, even though they are going to spend close to 70, maybe more, in the offseason. And BTW: who else can consider making the playoffs in the last 8 years without winning it all a "failure"? Not many, and definitely not your team.

"It's not going to change the fact that the Yankees can afford any player and continue to blow away smaller franchises."

Yeah because that $200M team totally blew away the Rays this year.

A pure profit sharing in baseball cannot work and should not ever happen. Even a bad Yankees, Mets, or Red Sox team will still likely draw in more fans than a good Royals team. Teams with smaller payrolls have to run their teams differently, they can't just bandage all their problems by throwing tens of millions of dollars at free agents like both New York teams will do this offseason. But you have successful assaults by these teams in terms of shrewdness. The Rays, Indians, Twins, Rockies etc have built up powerful franchises through incredible trades that paid off (Colon for Lee, Sizemore, Phillips), impressive draft choices (Most of the Rays team), or picking up players off the scrap heap (Carlos Peña). Yeah, your team is more likely to win if you're in the $100M range these days, but that's the economics of baseball today.

"Yeah because that $200M team totally blew away the Rays this year."

In payroll, not performance.

''I am not complaining about the inequality in baseball. I am merely suggesting that the rest of the world isn't so impressed with Yankee accomplishments when it's bought and paid for by a system that is grossly unfair.

And no, making the playoffs for 13 consecutive years is not that amazing. You give me 30%-50% more money to spend then my next closest competitor and I can make the playoffs every year. Instead of patting yourself on the back why don't you sit back and try to understand what a colossal failure the team has been over the past 8 years. To outspend your opponents by that much and still lose speaks far more to your failures than your successes.''

bjsguess,

Thats because you have no reason to complain. The only reason that the sytem is unfair is because the Yankees have to fork out millions of dollars for every other team in baseball. The Yankees do not have an unfair advantage they are actually penalized. Baseball doesn't give the Yankees 30 to 50% more to spend, they earned it. They are the ones who put more fannies in the seats and sold more merchandise and became the most popular team in sports history. This small market crap doesnt hold water either. The Yankees have more people living in the vicinity than say the pirates but they also have the mets, phillies and the sox less than a few hour drive away. I travel the country and go to a ton of games and live in Atlanta. When I go to Yankee games outside of New York guess what I see. Yankees fans, tons of them. I went to 40 braves games this year and dont remember seeing too many fans from the visiting team. To outspend your opponents like they do speaks far more to their successes than to their failures. Think about it.

""Go get your favorite baseball game for the XBox/PC. Remove the salary cap and force trades. Watch your team in career mode win for 13 straight seasons. That's essentially how much credit I give the Yanks for assembling a winning team."

Wow, what trades has major league baseball or the Yankees forced teams to take?

its all in shoes that you wear. no one would have a problem if your teams owner(s) was putting all possible money back into the team, doing everything to get a competitive ball club out on that field.

You shouldnt be pissed at the yankees, you should be pissed at every other teams owner(s). the yankees do the right thing and take every bit of revenue and put it right back into the team, while the revenue for other teams ends up in someones pocket.
Suggestion: stop bitching.

WrightReyes57

Yeah they do. The Mets get sellouts almost every game and their stadium has more seats than Yankee Stadium. If Wilpon wanted he could spend like the yankees.

Not that I recommend it.

"When the Yankees have a lead they don't choke it away like the Mets do every year."

2-0-0-4.

Wow I love hearing all these Yankee haters try to bring down the greatest dynasty ever in the history of the sport. What is funny too is these people also do not have a clue about what they are talking about! You want to talk about a team that is bad for baseball, well then why doesn't anybody ever point a finger at the Texas Rangers for offering A-Rod the contract they did. Given A-rod's production and the draw he brings to the Big Apple, the Yankees were forced to give him a contract that surpassed the one he got with the Rangers! If there is one person in the game that deserves the most money in the bigs, it is him! Also, keep in mind the Yankees are an absoluate class act organization! They were the team standing at the top step of the dugout when the Red Sox were presented their 2004 World Series Championship rings. Never seen anyone else do that. And in terms of other big market teams (and some small market teams. Most of them do have the money, but just do not want to spend it! The Twins, Astros, Red Sox(highest payroll for a world series championship team), Angels, Dodgers, etc. These teams have the resources to compete and keep up with the Yankees as much as they want to. If you do not have to spend the money to be competitive (i.e. Rays, Marlins, Twins, etc.) More power to ya! All Steinbrenner is trying to do is win a championship! What's wrong with that?

You hate the Yankees cause they spend money since you r a Mets fan u must love gag jobs. Go enjoy another season of your crappy junior varsity team choking.

Posted by: YankeesRule

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That's the best you got, when your team finishes 3rd place?
rofl

"When the Yankees have a lead they don't choke it away"

ALCS. 2004. Biggest choke job in the HISTORY OF SPORTS. Zing.

nrmax88, Let me just say to you that your statement is actually false. Yes, the Yankees choked big time during that series, but the Mets colossal collapse of 2007 is statistically a bigger choke than the Yankees collapse in 2004. Look it up, it's truth.

as a red sox fan and a fan of baeball i say let the yankees spend as much money as they want! what has it gotten them in the past 8 years? yes into the playoffs but never a ring! the yanks of the mid to late 90's(the most dominate team)did it with young players with vetren role players mixed in,good starting pitching & a great bullpen!to win it all you need players that compliment each other willing to do what ever it takes to win as a team!

everyone hates the yankees because they have all this money that they can spend on whoever they want. They take every good player, or they just offer their farm system players a crap load of money so they take it.

and they havent won a world series in 8 years. all these great players and they cant do anything

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