Mark Teixeira Rumors: Saturday

The Yankees need to stop wasting their time with Burnett. He's been healthy and pitched well one year out of the last four...but is demanding a five year deal?? LOL!! Good luck with that. Let someone else waste their money. Sign TEX!

Trade Swisher, Kennedy and Veras for Peavy.

Trade Cano, H Sanchez, Britton and Melky for Greinke and DeJesus.

Sign Sheets, Hudson, Tex and either Penny or O Perez.

Peavy, Sheets, Wang, Joba and Penny/Perez. (keep Hughes in AAA for more seasoning)

Damon - LF
Jeter - SS
A Rod - 3B
Tex - 1B
Matsui - DH
Nady - RF
Posada - C
Hudson - 2B
DeJesus - CF

Plenty of hitting and pitching without giving insane contracts to CC, Burnett or Lowe...NONE of which are worth what they are demanding.

jjyankeesfan2...

next time, instead of "multi-tasking", you should just focus on your post.
i mean, c'mon.

I don't know why everyone wants the Yanks to trade Cano? Doesn't make sense.. I'd rather have Cano then Hudson... even with his inconsistency last year.

Hudson hasn't had one year that's even close to Robbies avg since he's been in the league. Robbie is 26, Hudson turns 31 in a month...

Hudson Car BA: 282
Robbie Car BA: 303

Hudson Avg HR: 13
Robbie Avg HR: 18

Hudson Avg OBP: 346
Robbie Avg OBP: 335

Hudson Avg Slg: 443
Robbie Avg Slg: 468

Hudson Avg OPS: 779
Robbie Avg OPS: 803

Hudson Field %: 985
Robbie Field %: 982 (w/Giambi @ first)

I don't get what the love affair is with a 32 year old 2nd baseman that wants 5/50mn contract... when we have Robbie that out performs most major categories.. and the ones that Hudson has him beat in, it's not by much...

Why don't we trade wang for washburn at the same time.. that'd make sense also!

I still got love for ya jjyanksfan. No bad feelings right?

This is my wish list:

CC
WANG
BURNETT/PEREZ/SHEETS OR LOWE (UGG)
JOBA
PETTITE
HUGHES (SPOT STARTER LONG MAN FOR 1 YEAR EST 120 INNINGS)

1B-TEX
2B-CANO
SS-JETER
3B-AROD
C-POSADA
LF-DAMON
CF-MELKY/GARDNER
RF-NADY
DH-SWISHER

TRADE: MATSUI FOR A COUPLE OF MID-LEVEL OUTFIELD PROSPECT. MAYBE SEATTLE, GIANTS OR OAKLAND?

it seems all yankee fans seem c.c. is a sure thing. but what is the back up plan if he signs else where? peavy?

i think the yanks should go after ichiro. i'm not sure if he is on the block, though.

cano vs. hudson...cano is a better hitter. that's it. hudson is better at everything else. and isn't there a question about cano's character?

casper:

I agree with you. Sometimes I see the ugliness that some people accuse us of possesing. This idea that one bad year and you're gone astonishes me. So if Wang has an off year (12-10, 4.34 era) does that mean we should look to trade him? But we have to seperate what might be the GM's real agenda from what the fans and the media like to speculate about. Our infield defense was bad last year, not because Cano is a bad fielder but because he had a Jeter with injuries and deminished range at SS and a 1B with ZERO range in Giambi. He had to really overplay certain parts of the field. If the Yanks have a more athletic guy at 1B in Swisher or Tex I think that will go along way in improving our defense because now he wouldn't have to worry about his left side as much and wont't have to cheat as much. As for his "attitude" I think it was more indicative of a young guy use to succeeding at the plate and maybe didn't handle his slumps as well as he should and let it carry on to the field a little. That should've been addressed by the players. I believe in working with young players thru their struggles and trying to help them overcome rather than giving up on them at the first sign of struggles.

If Cash were to trade Cano and sign O Hudson then I would lose some respect for him, NOT because I'm drinking the Cano kool-aid but because it goes against the plan he laid out about getting younger and more athletic. Cano had a better fielding % and a higher range factor than Hudson last year. Also, Cano is head and shoulders above Hudson offensively, he's 5 years younger and is under contract at a rate a lot less than the 10 mil a year that reportedly Hudson is looking for. Can you imagine in 2010 having an infield like this:

1B-???
2b- 33 yrs old
ss- 36 yrs old
3B- 37 yrs old
C- 39 yrs old

ugggg......we could sell the stadium naming rights to AARP. Our FLorida ratings would skyrocket though.

The Yankees are not trading Cano unless they get a young star in return (ie Matt Kemp). It was only a year ago that we were saying this guy was going to become one of the best hitters in baseball. I still think he will become that. Many people think about his season negatively but watching him his entire career I think he made big strides this past year. Towards the second half of the year he started showing more discipline at the plate which was his only knock in the years past with his bat. I don't know how he got this label as being lazy either. Its just his personality he is an easy going guy and things come so easy to him that he looks like he isn't trying. His mind wanders from time to time but that is the case for 99% of young players learning the game I am not worried about that. Also Cano is stronger going to his left than his right in the field. Now that we are almost guaranteed a more athletic fielder at first he can play up the middle more instead of compensating for Giambis short comings as a fielder.

As for Peavy I hope the Yankees don't mortgage the farm for him. Just look at his home vs. away stats he isn't that great of a pitcher outside of Petco and has also shown nothing so far come playoff time. If the Yankees refused to give up anything big last year for Johan I highly doubt they would do it for someone who isn't as good as Johan this year.

i agree with yanks09 on the johan thing. if we didnt trade away anything big for johan, no way we do that for peavy. peavy got rocked in 2 playoff games and it doesnt include the one game playoff against colorado. johan is much better. we let that chance slip away, all becuz of kennady, not that 130 million contract. i mean, we offering 140 to cc, when has money been an issue for the yanks? n i would be willing to keep cano instead of going for hudson. cano just needs to hustle more, but has much more talent. as for cc, burnett, lowe and tex. cc is no doubt the biggest name of the 3 pitchers. but he hasnt done all that well against boston or even at yankees stadium. burnett has nasty stuff and dominated the yanks n sox this past season, but his health is a concern and 5 yrs is just too much. lowe is 35 n last time he was in al east, era was above 5. maybe we can sign sheets to a cheaper 1 or 2 yr deal to have him prove he can stay healthy and be affective in al? i think we really blew it by not getting johan. id go for tex depending on how many years he wants. boras actually mention 10 b4, which is crazy. but theres no way swisher should be looked at as a replacement for tex if we dont get him. n joba belongs in the pen.

My bad. That should have read It WASN'T just the prospects and it certainly wasn't the money. It was both.

Hey YanksFanceSince78, your comment about the four players the Twins received in the Santana deal is way off base. Carlos Gomez was a huge addition in '08 and with better plate discipline and patience, should be a more productive hitter going forward. The Twins are very happy with him! If indeed the Twins were given the choice of either Pelfrey or Humber, based on '08 production they clearly should have chosen Pelfrey. Nonetheless, Humber pitched well in AAA the second half of the season and the Twins will either use him as part of deal this winter or he may be a started next season if they move Blackburn or Perkins for infield help.

Mulvey and Guerra did just fine thank you. Mulvey should arrive either on '09 or '10 and the Twins love where Guerra is right now.

And, lets face it. The Yankees would be a much better team right now with Santana at the top of their rotation.

I suspect that Twins are quite happy the Yanks got greedy and decided that Hughes and Kennedy were just too valuable to give up for a very healthy, 29 year old two time Cy Young winner. The Mets made the Yanks look foolish!

"I suspect that Twins are quite happy the Yanks got greedy and decided that Hughes and Kennedy were just too valuable to give up for a very healthy, 29 year old two time Cy Young winner. The Mets made the Yanks look foolish!

Posted by: bernie | November 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM "

you do know that it was also reported that the Twins came back to NY and said Kennedy/Melky +1 and NY turned that down... It was bottom line the prospects + the money...

The Mets deal seemed to have worked out for both at this point.. but the Twins were NOT happy they got Gomez and not Melky last year when they did... now yes.. but then not at all.

With that... I don't think they lost out on Johan... He had a decent year last year, but his velocity is down, and his Homeruns are up in the NL! If his homeruns are up in the NL - I can't imagine in the AL East of all places.. Johan wouldn't have gotten us into the playoffs last year I don't think - and even if we were it'd be a first round boot.. our pitching was decimated by injuries yes...

But it was the lack of timely hitting that did us in, in the end.

"you do know that it was also reported that the Twins came back to NY and said Kennedy/Melky +1 and NY turned that down... It was bottom line the prospects + the money..."

If that was reported, I'm sure google could provide a link. I'll look..you should too...

I find it incredibly hard to believe that the Yankees turned down Santana for the awful Melky Cabrera/Overrated Kennedy and one more piece.

casper are you kidding me?

You downing Johan. I'm a phils fan (obviously) and if his bullpen didn't suck raw eggs he would have won the Cy Young. Do us a favor and IF you are a Yankees fan (not sure), just go ahead and admit your mistake. Don't make yourself look foolish.

Sorry but I can't believe I missed these

"but the Twins were NOT happy they got Gomez and not Melky last year when they did"

How the HELL do you know what the Twins were happy with. Gomez was at the very least a decent top 100 prospect who still has tremendous upside if he can even figure out how a bat works. Melky is a fricken 4th OF and will always be a 4th OF.

"If his homeruns are up in the NL - I can't imagine in the AL East of all places"

Johan enjoyed arguably his best season since 2004 and his HR numbers were in line with career average. He would have been the best pitcher on your team and if it wasn't for a lousy bullpen, would have won another cy young.

Melky's 2007:

274/323/392

He only k'd 11% of the time but doesn't take a walk.

Maybe it's my Red Sox bias, but I don't see anything about his 2007 that indicates highly touted.

Keneen.. you have to remember he was only 21/22 that year also... He is good defensivley I think he thinks his arm is better then what it is (even though he has a great arm)... but, for some of those splits for a kid that's that young? I mean.. c'mon.. he had a much better stats then Gomez who is less then a year younger then him... just much, much faster... and you can't tell me that Gomez had a better first full year for Minnesota then Melky did for NY..

"My apologies.. I did make a mistake. It wasn't this year that I was referring to... this was last year (2007) where he gave up all the homeruns. Misread my own stat... but even still looking at it in 2007 velocity down + higher rate of homeruns.."

He put up an ERA+ of 166. His home run numbers were right in line with career averages. The only time he gave up less jacks, in 200ip, was 2005 when instead of 24 he allowed 22. Again, take a second and look past "dropped velocity" and home runs. Santana was filthy.

"Keneen.. you have to remember he was only 21/22 that year also... He is good defensivley I think he thinks his arm is better then what it is (even though he has a great arm)... but, for some of those splits for a kid that's that young? I mean.. c'mon.. he had a much better stats then Gomez who is less then a year younger then him... just much, much faster... and you can't tell me that Gomez had a better first full year for Minnesota then Melky did for NY.."

He was NOT highly touted. Nobody considered Melky anything special after 2006, 2007 and especially 2008. Gomez on the other hands is about a year younger, with more tools and higher upside. He's already the defensively superior player, it's a matter of whether or not his bat comes along.

"Every package they wanted was one of: Hughes/Kennedy/Chamberlain, Melky Cabrera + another prospect..."

Coco Crisp's name also came up, the Twins needed a CF. Does that make Coco Crisp valuable? Because his name was mentioned in trade talks?

Melky was the ONLY CF the Yanks were willing to deal, the ONLY one. Doesn't make him any good.

"but, for some of those splits for a kid that's that young?"

What splits?

If you're highly touted and repeating AAA, you better perform at some point in the majors to deserve that highly touted label. Melky isn't a bad player, he's just not a very good.

bernie:

I wasn't insulting the players picked up for Santana but bottom line is that only 1 of them was a major contributor to the Twins this year. Is aid the others have yet to blossom. Meaning that in 2 years maybe that deal will look much better than it does now. Everyone agrees that the offer the Yanks and Red Sucks had were better offerings. That in no way means that the deal from the Twins perspective may not turn out to be much better.

I hate type key! had a thing written out just to have it deleted..

No, I wouldn't because Hughes I still think will be a great pitcher. He has had health problems the last 2 years, only.

How can we be certain that Santana's stuff while pitched very well in the NL... he wasn't losing it in the AL?

For what we said earlier, I invite you to review Santana's stats.. he had failed to give up more then 24 HR's in any year, with the excpetion of 2007 where he gave up 33, with lowered velocity.

Kenan.. you being a Sox fan, must not pay attention to the Yanks very well, so i'll repeat our biggest problem. IT WASN'T PITCHING; again IT WASN'T PITCHING. For all the injuries we had... Ponson and company weren't doing horrid. Santana wouldn't have really helped us last year (even if he had the year he had in the NL, in the AL). Keeping a team to 2-3 runs per game doesn't help if your offense doesn't produce.

There are countless times we'd have Damon, Jeter and Abreu be on.. then watch the combination of Arod/Giambi strikeout and hit into a DP... if Arod K'd.. Giambi hit into the double play, or vice versa. The fill-ins gave our offense a shot to win the game, and they didn't that was it.

As far as Melky goes.. he was ranked 12th in the MLB for OBP (even among non qualified), 12th in slugging, 11th in BA, 11th in OPS.. all non qualified stats... not enough of a pool to really show it for qualified Less then 15 players show up for all of MLB...

and I would like you to show me who had a better season.. Melky in 2007, Gomez in 2008, or even Ellsbury in 2008.. with the exception of stolen bases.. While Ellsbury did have a better year, it wasn't by much, and Gomez isn't even close.

philsws:

The Mariners and A's are looking for a bat. If the Yanks offered Matsui who when healthy, is capable of hitting 30 hrs and 100 rbis for a mid-level OF prospect AND were willing to pay 6 or 7 million of his remaining contract you don't think a few teams would be interested? I'm not talking about a teams top 5 prospect, I'm talking about, for example, a guy like Justin Christian from the Yanks and maybe a Jeff Marquez type pitcher. Look what we gave up for Swisher. It's a low risk high reqrd type of trade. Stop being so arrogant and read the post carefully. Matsui did come back after his previous surgery and hit 25 hrs and 103 rbis.

"No, I wouldn't because Hughes I still think will be a great pitcher. He has had health problems the last 2 years, only.

How can we be certain that Santana's stuff while pitched very well in the NL... he wasn't losing it in the AL?"

Pitchers don't lose their stuff when they change leagues. Is the AL harder to pitch in? Undoubtedly, statistical data supports this, pitchers normally seen a half run bump in their era. What I find funny is that the Yankees are going out guns blazing for pitching, yet you're convinced they don't need it. You're right, I don't follow the Yanks that closely, but when they're targeting pitching I'll assume they could use some pitching.

Yanksfan is on the money. Besides, Matsui was still having a good year and was actually our leader in AVG for RISP. I say he still is a good hitter.

"For what we said earlier, I invite you to review Santana's stats.. he had failed to give up more then 24 HR's in any year, with the excpetion of 2007 where he gave up 33, with lowered velocity."

Let's slow down for a second, read what I'm writing. He gave up 23 in 2008, I even misquoted that and said 24. He gave up 22 in 2005, the next lowest amount of home runs Santana allowed in a full season, 200 ip. 2008 was his lowest home run total, in a full season, with the exception of 2005

Kenan --- me and you both (typekey)

But if you're the yankees looking at 2007 where in the AL he gave up 33 homeruns more then he'd given up in his career with decreased velocity -- you couldn't not be worried about it.. im sorry; and if you weren't you're just an idiot.

Like I said, I misquoted my own stat by saying he gave more up in the NL.. the stat I was referring to was 2007 when he pitched last for MN.

how much do u think the Yankees will offer Tex? Also i read something about Texiera not liking Boston

6 yrs/130

Boston is not seen as a very player friendly place to play and you know how much of a union guy Tex is. But he is a Georgia Tech guy just like Varitek is.

Excuse me, but how exactly is Boston not a "player-friendly place"? That is a completely false statement with no merit. Big contract on a team with a couple of rings in the last few years---yeah, who'd want any part of that?

The Red Sox organization is constantly being praised by it's players (Pedroia, Youk, Ortiz, Tek, Bay, AKA every player on the team practically).

More Yankee hatred of anything involving the Sox. As a Sox fan atleast I have the dignity to respect the Yankees for their great baseball history. Can't say the same about just about every Yankees fan I've ever seen on here.

Dude you sort of took that personal. This is a business and what the Sucks have shown is that when it comes to their players, w maybe the exception of Varitek, once you've out lived your usefulness then you're gone.

But i guess its OK for the Yankees to do that to their HOF manager, right? 13 years in the playoffs gets you a swift kick in the @ss out the door.

Good for Torre for making the playoffs this year. And he was 100% class for not mentioning (at least that I heard) that he did and the Yankees didn't. Lesser people would have.

Yes i know Yanks78...

I believe this will be the Yankees offseason:

Sabathia will sign 6yrs/140mil

They won't get Burnett if he insists on the 5th year.

Lowe will probably end up with either Boston or the Mets.

Yankees sign Pettitte and a Brad Penny, Ben Sheets, or Oliver Perez. (no idea on contracts)

They Get Texiera at around 6 or 7yrs on 140-160 mil.

Rotation 2009:
CC
Wang
Chamberlain
Sheets/Penny/Oliver Perez
Pettitte
Hughes/Aceves spot starters

Lineup 2009:
DH/LF Johnny Damon
SS Derek Jeter
1B Mark Texiera
3B A-Rod
RF Nady
C/DH Posada
DH/LF Matsui
2b Cano( stop wit da trading!)
CF Swisher/Gardner/Cabrera

I see alot of absurd posts written here. Isn't this a really realistic chance of all this happening instead of all those Get Peavy MAnny Tex CC junk....

Any thoughts??

Posted by: mRyAnkEe1231 | November 22, 2008 at 02:58 PM

This post makes my head want to explode from pure rage. You ask where the rage comes from? The pure idiocy of it.

Also, I believe there is a limit of type A free agents a team can actually sign, and I believe that number is two. Im looking right now, but I cant find anything about it.

But jeez, why not just say sign Manny, trade for Halladay, sign Tex, sign Burnett, sign Hudson, resign Abreu, sign Krod to set up for MO.

Sounds like a plan, lets do it Yankee fans.

"Also, I believe there is a limit of type A free agents a team can actually sign, and I believe that number is two. Im looking right now, but I cant find anything about it."

IV - there is a limit but it depends on the number of total free agents and random things like that... Tim and others have already basically put that based on the number the yanks could sign probably around 4 of them.. but it's not a set number, I know that for sure.

this isnt very conclusive but its the best i could find about the A, B FA quota.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/10/type-ab-free-ag.html

"Regardless of that, teams are allowed to sign as many Type A/Bs as they lose"

does that mean that its added together with the quota? so the 4 plus the 2 or 3 theyd lose?

"Our payroll would be lower than it was last year...hehe.."

itll be at about $185mm. the mark that Cashman said he wants it to be.

I found that article btw...

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/mets/Yankees_played_a_big_hand_in_allowing_the_Mets_to_complete_a_trade_for_Johan_Santana.html

"This was late Monday night, about 12 hours before the Mets would pounce upon their most dramatic trade in recent history. Twins' general manager Bill Smith, in a panic to move Johan Santana, called the Yankees and admitted surrender: Phil Hughes was no longer a prerequisite, he said. Instead, the Twins asked for Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera and a top prospect. Would the Yankees still be interested, Smith wondered?

The Yankees considered the idea, but only briefly and not seriously. Their passion for Santana started waning as far back as December, when Andy Pettitte announced he was returning to the Bronx. The Yankees' internal straw vote was unanimous: The Twins had waited too long. On Tuesday Yankees' GM Brian Cashman told Smith he was passing on the deal, prompting the Twins to call the Red Sox. Equally devastating news awaited. Both Jacoby Ellsbury and Jon Lester were unavailable.

The Red Sox, in lock step with the Yankees, had essentially backed out, too."