Phillies Interested In Hermida

Please get this done Amaro!

Donald, Golson, and Happ/Kendrick should get it done.

I really think the Braves will get in on Hermida. The Braves org. really loves the home town player and they want to add some power to the outfield. Hermida is low risk high reward and if nothing else its a good story to add a guy who grew up playing with Francoeur and Mac.

Sorry, but Marson or Madson would be ridiculous. Marson was the main sticking point in acquiring Matt Holliday at the deadline. Also, Madson has emerged as a premier set-up guy in the league now. Hermida is not worth that.

I am hesitant to move Happ for Hermida because he is a Major League ready left-handed starter. However, if they were to acquire Hermida and he is first time arbitration eligible, he will be very cheap, leaving a lot of room to attempt to get a big name pitcher, i.e. Burnett (but he might want too many years).

this also smells like a

"throw all the options out there so that Pat agrees to a 2 year $20 million deal".

If that's the case, great spin job by Ruben and his staff.

In addition, I can't see the Marlins wanting Madson.

The Marlins also have little need for Ryan Madson. He is a FA after this season. With another fire sale this winter, it doesn't look like the Marlins plan to compete in '09.

Even after a great postseason by Ruiz, there's no way the Phils trade Marson. Ruiz has struggled the last two seasons and Marson looks like a stud in AAA. If Marson could give us Joe Mauer like production....my god!

Donald makes perfect sense. His value is extremely high and he's blocked by Rollins and Utley. His arm isn't good enough for 3B.

You're going to have to give the Marlins something for Hermida, especially since they're in our division. I can't see them being too hot on Golson. They already have a similiar/better OF in Maybin.

Isn't Madson also arbitration eligible? That would eliminate the only reason the Marlins would want a player who is redundant for them as philsWSchamps pointed out.

While Hermida is certainly a high-ceiling player, doesn't he not really fill the role the Phillies want their new OF to fill? They have plenty of lefty bats, aren't they looking for a right-handed LF?

-JM

Yeah I can't see Maybin going anywhere. The organization is in love with him. Is Marson THAT highly regarded? I was not aware, I have yet to catch up with prospect developments from '08.

Would Donald be movable? I assume Carrasco is still off-limits outside of a major piece, I am not very familiar with your farm system and how the players are valued honestly.

I agree that he'll struggle to get a 4 year deal, but 3 years $45M isnt out of the question, and that's far bigger than 2/$20M.

Really...is this the best we can do with Donald's trade chit?

Lets give it a shot with Dye and Magglio first at least. Both those teams need a SS more than FLA

7th inning stretch is right.

You guys are out of your mind with all this 3 for 1 talk. Also, the Phillies need a RH power hitting corner OF. What are we going to do with Hermida??

A 3 to 1 of trade would be reasonable for the likes of Jermaine Dye or Magglio Ordonez who are apparentley on the trade market. Hermida does not fit into our lineup not too mention he has a history of being hurt in his short career already.

Rollins
Victorino
Utley
Howard
Dye or Ordonez
Werth
Feliz
Ruiz

cubbyfan23,

No one ever likes our system, but we did bring up the likes of Hamels, Howard, Utley, Rollins, Madson, Burrell so we can't be that bad.

Its obviously subjective by my top 10 Phillies farm players are:

1-Lou Marson (outperformed Teagarden in the olympics in admittedly a small sample set

2-Jason Donald--solid average hitter with average power and a great presence. Not a great defender but improving but should be able to hit .275 eventually in the majors with a .350 OBP and 15 HR's in our park.

3-Carlos Carrasco- is a solid 3 SP possibly a 2 and is only 22. I'd love to see him get a shot if he has a strong spring.

4-Michael Taylor-- a younger version of Howard minus the strikeouts and better defense 6'6 250lbs. He's going to start at AA and is a touch old for the league but if he does well look out.

5-Kyle Drabek-- only this low because of his age and TJ surgery. This kid has top of the rotation stuff. Doug's son.

6-Dominic Brown--young but solid OF with tons of tools. has plus power but hasn't used much yet. Solid speed. Hawaii Winter baseball All star team selection and hit .389 with over .500 OBP.

7--Quintin Berry-- compared to Kenny Lofton. Stole 51 bases this year in High A ball. solid average guy as well, hit .300 in the Arizona Fall League.

8--Travis D'Arnaud--another catcher who may have to move because marson's above him. Great power and only just turned 20 i believe. power to all fields.

9-Joe Savery--solid bulldog of a pitcher when he's on he's unhittable but does have lapses. Had a stretch in high A last year where he had about 8 quality starts in a row. Reminds me of Myers.

10-Edgar Garcia--struggled this past year in AA but at age 20 was one of the youngest in the league. Has great stuff and if he rebounds this year he could be in the majors by age 22-23.

Don't the Marlins need either a first or third baseman with Jacobs gone?

Between those two positions they currently have Cantu and McPherson. Cantu is certainly not a lock to repeat last year's performance, and there is no way to tell how McPherson will perfrom in the MLB.

I'm not a fan of this site, but I feel compelled to post because there is some crazy stuff on here right now and the Marlins never get their fair due among baseball fans.

First, Hermida had an .870 OPS a year ago, and an .851 road OPS this year. He somehow could just not get a hit at home, .584. That's an outrageous split that will normalize. He's totally fine, we're not going to give him away. He's 24, and still has "Markakis" potential. Whose going to be shocked when he hits .280/.360/.475+ next year? No one.

Second, Marson? Why do the Marlins need an intermediate catching prospect? We have one of the better A ball catchers in baseball (Skipworth) and a solid young catcher at the MLB level (Baker). The Marlins need a right handed MLB ready catcher, right now, to split with Baker and hopefully bridge the gap to Skipworth. Marson isn't this guy. The Marlins brass also defer heavily to veteran catchers, see our insistence of signing LoDuca, keeping Treanor around forever, Pudge the one year, etc. And, while I disagree here, organizationally the Marlins really like Brett Hayes and kind of feel they don't need another catcher besides a guy to split with Baker right now. Plus, why would the Phillies trade him? The Phillies catching situation sucks. They really need him longterm. This doesn't make sense on any level.

Third, Donald? Why in the hell do the Marlins need a strikeout happy middle infielder when they have the best player in baseball (taking position scarcity into effect) at SS, and a flurry of 2B - Uggla, Coghlan (better than Donald anyways), and now Bonifacio. This guy makes no sense in trade talk with the Marlins even if organizationally he is blocked by Rollins/Utley.

Fourth, neither does Madson or any other power RP arm Philly may have to trade. The Marlins have one of the more impressive stockpiles of young fire balling arms at the MLB/AAA/AA levels (the A level is pretty loaded too) - Lindstrom, Nunez, Tucker, Ceda, Vanden Hurk, Cruz, and Mobley are all excellent plus plus right handed arms, with moderate guys like Sinkbiel, Kensing, C. Martinez, Marceaux, J. Delgado, Doolittle, Wood, etc all having at least one plus offerings and just have control issues. There is also a stockpile of lefties with Pinto, Tankeresly, West (could be a SP), Thompson (could be a SP), and Meyer. I realize this is quasi-homer here, but the basic point is, considering we have a young locked rotation of Johnson/Sanchez/Volstad/Miller/Anibal rotation, and if someone goes down one of the lefties (west/thompson) will probably take over, it is VERY likely the Marlins can get "seven" arms from this major and minor league group of around 20-25 legitimate bullpen arms, to field a plus bullpen now and for years. Beinfest has done a pretty awesome job here. You always need pitching, but the Marlins don't need to target it with a Hermida trade. That's the point. This isn't a dump like Jacobs (who sucks, sub .300 OBP), or a relatively injured Hammer, or a guy you don't want to pay $ 5 million to to pitch for 65 innings. Hermida is in a completely different class of player.

Next, someone mentions Golson? Seriously? The Marlins have a crap load of solid OF prospects - Raynor, Cousins, Petersen, and especially Logan Morrison as he is playing LF now in the AFL, to match with Maybin, Hermida, and Ross. We also have the top power prospect in the minor leagues, Stanton, in A ball for down the road. We don't need young outfield talent, and especially not a toolsy OF who hasn't shown crap yet and doesn't walk. We have those guys too (J. Miller, G. Burns). We need a left handed 1B/LF guy for 2009 to replace Gonzalez (I'm thinking they go FA and try to buy low with Cliff Floyd, Mark Kotsay, or Daryle Ward, etc), while Raynor/Cousins/Petersen/Morrison get another full year in the minors to progress and compete for spots in 2010.

Basically, the Phillies are a horrible trading partner for Hermida unless you guys want to start mentioning Carrasco (and that's just insane because Philly would never do that), because Outmen/Drabek/Savery aren't cutting it as a primary pieces, and we don't need anyone else in the Phillies system because our alternatives are already better. It's also insanely more dubious to think the Marlins would trade a potential star, something Olsen and Willingham are not, to a division rival.

I could see them being crazy and trading Hermida, but, and not to speculate merely referencing players with the value I'd expect back, it would be have to be for big big time catcher (at least Teagarden, Salty, or Clement), a crazy SP like Carrasco, or Wade Davis, or any of the San Francisco kids. This is going to be very hard for the Marlins to do with Hermida coming off a disappointing season, even if other franchises are sniffing a "buy low." I'd be shocked and incredibly disappointed with the front office if they move him for anything less than a player that has the same relative star potential that he does.

I hope this wasn't to antagonistic because I get very annoyed with talk the Marlins will move Hermida before he definitely shows us if 2007 was real or not, but I hope this sheds some light from a purely Marlins perspective. There are a few of us in South Florida that follow this team.

*Upon previewing this, new posts came up. The Marlins don't need a 1B/3B as Cantu will play one spot, McPherson will handle the other, Helms will play vs LHP, the Marlins have Gaby Sanchez (who is very Loneyish) basically MLB ready but could start in AAA, Morrison in AA (who is playing some LF now because it appears the organization likes Sanchez as the longterm 1B, but Morrison is regardless a top 10-15 hitting prospect in baseball), Beinfest has come out and said Bonifacio will see time at 3B, and it is very likely the Marlins sign a bench 1B/LF type player. This is more than enough short and longterm talent for the corners.

marlinslou,

I appreciate your perspective but also will say that you're overvaluing, IMO Hermedia a bit and undervaluing our players a bit but I'm sure we're doing that too. (Marson and Donald) not Golson. You've got him pegged. He has to show he can hit the changeup.

Marson is a high OBP guy solid hitter and very young and Donald is very polished and has done very well in the AFL as well.

Next year will be key for Hermedia. If he does poorly he has almost no value. If he does well he'll be fine, but again one year closer to free agency.

And you're right, Carrasco is off limits.

Not a good idea for the Phils. Florida will ask for too much for this stiff. How about trying to get a proven RH outfielder like Dye or Mags

Why are the Phillies consistently linked to left-handed bats. Do they want to win games against lefties next year?

marlinslou - Hermida has star potential??? No way man.

John Baker
Josh Willingham
Mike Jacobs
Jorge Cantu
Cody Ross
Luis Gonzalez

What do they all have in common? They are all MARLINS who had a better OPS last season than Hermida.

The Marlins have a lot of reason to move Hermida...doubt they will get anything decent for him.

He is overrated and overvalued.

Hey 7thinningstretch whats one thing John Baker
Josh Willingham
Mike Jacobs
Jorge Cantu
Cody Ross
Luis Gonzalez

have in common???

They all didn't play constantly(besides Cantu)!!!!! Whether it because they split time or were hurt. Baker didn't start playing til the end of the year, Willingham was out for 1+ month, Mike Jacobs didn't hit against lefties, Cody Ross would only play when Willingham needed a break or someone got hurt, Gonzalez played for like the first month and that was it.

Big Rob,

i think that was a mistake because Anibal and Sanchez are the same guy. I think he meant:

"Josh Johnson, Anibal Sanchez, Chris Volstad, Andrew Miller and Ricky Nolasco."