Third Team In Peavy Deal: Orioles?

not sure, as an oriole fan, i like an olson for pie deal

"not sure, as an oriole fan, i like an olson for pie deal"

I think it's a wash as far as Olson/Pie go. Neither one has done anything at the MLB level yet. A change of scenery for both might help. But since the O's already have Adam Jones I don't get why they'd want Pie. Doesn't Jones play center??? The most valuable part of Pie's game right now is his defense.

EK

I am sure there would be one more players involved then just the few that have been mentioned over and over if Pie goes to the Orioles. For the orioles this could be the best defensive outfield in all of baseball.

I think that the 3 way trade is going to happen like this:
Cubs get:SP:Jake Peavy
Padres get: 3B:Josh Vitters, SS:Rodney Cedeno, SP:Rich Hill, OF:Felix Pie, SP:Garrett Olson
Orioles get:SS:Khalil Greene

I don't think that the padres will make this 3 way trade happen because of how that the Chicago Cubs don't have the prospects and players to trade for Jake Peavy and I think in the end, Jake Peavy will go to the Angles or the Braves in the end

The Braves are killing themselves by letting this go.

"I think that the 3 way trade is going to happen like this:
Cubs get:SP:Jake Peavy
Padres get: 3B:Josh Vitters, SS:Rodney Cedeno, SP:Rich Hill, OF:Felix Pie, SP:Garrett Olson
Orioles get:SS:Khalil Greene"

No chance the Pads take Hill. He's continuing to stink it up in the minors. It would have to be Marshall. I'd also think they'd want Fontenot over Cedeno.

Sorry forgot to change one thing. Hill should have been Marshall.

Cubs get: Jake Peavy
Padres get: Josh Vitters, Rodney Cedeno, Sean Marshall, Garrett Olson, Daniel Cabrera
Orioles get: Khalil Greene, Felix Pie

Here is how I see it:
Cubs get:SP:Jake Peavy, 2b Roberts, OF Luke Scott

Padres get: 3B:Josh Vitters, SS:Rodney Cedeno, SP:dondal Veal, SP:Garrett Olson

Orioles get:SS:Khalil Greene, OF:Felix Pie, SP: Sean Marshall; plus a Cubs prospect

I wish that the Padres will get a steal from the Braves and get a trade with Tommy Hanson in the deal from the Braves:
Padres get:
SP: Tommy Hanson, SS: Yunel Escobar,OF:Gorky Hernandez,and RP:Steven Marek or RP: Blaine Boyer
Braves get: 2007 CY Young Jake Peavy

Towers has basically said theres no turning back now. A GM wouldnt put himself in a spot like that and then turn around and keep Peavy, so i think hes going to be traded at some point between dec 8-11 at the winter meetings. It doesnt make sense that Towers would go through all this and not trade him, kind of like what happened last year with the Twins. i think as soon as he gets a solid offer from the cubs he will accept, out of fear he will be forced to accept a deal similar to what the twins got for Johan.

Olson and Marshall could be the two young pitchers the Padres are looking for.

Vitters would obviously be the prize in that deal.

jrod

so you think the Cubs could get Roberts AND Scott for Veal and a prospect??? LMAO! Seriously? I'm a die hard Cubs fan and can't even believe anyone would think that is even remotely possible. Seriously??? You have to be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.

"Orioles need a shortstop not OF help why do they need Pie if they have Jones in CF"

they have Tejada last I checked.

Oops, my bad. Tejada is with the Astros now.....

EK Tejada was traded to Houston last Dec.

Greene would likely be in this deal for the Orioles IMO.

Or the Orioles could just sign Cesar Izturis.

Jrod..inetersesting breakdown...could The Cubs land Roberts and Peavy in this deal?? The only thing that would make this trade sweeter is if Marquis was in it..lol But I see the Cubs Dumping Marquis if this deal gets done and somehow keeping Wood for next to nothing..call the Wood thing a gut feeling.

Orioles should not trade Brian Roberts because the Cubs traded Jose Ceda traded to Florida and Roberts is a leadoff hitter with speed and some power!! they should extend the contract

If someone in Baltimore is smoking Crack roberts brcomes a Cub. I do how ever think the Peavy deal gets done and that Kerry Wood stays a Cub. I have toyed with the idea of the Cubs sending Gregg to SD in this deal so they could keep Woody and that the Ceda trade was more of a smoke screen than anything.

airassault
that is interesting if Marquis was added in this deal. If they were to lose Olson and Cabrera (I said that in my trade proposal) marquis could be a good fill in for them if he only costed them 5 mil.

Cubs get: Jake Peavy
Padres get: Josh Vitters, Ronny Cedeno, Sean Marshall, Garrett Olson, Daniel Cabrera
Orioles get: Khalil Greene, Felix Pie, Jason Marquis (cubs pay 4 mil)

Not bad in my opinion...

"Khalil Greene to the orioles for Garrett Olson and Guillermo Quiroz"

So, the Orioles wouldn't trade Olson for Greene before. But now u think they'd trade him and Quiroz for Greene? LMAO

"Cubs get: Jake Peavy
Padres get: Josh Vitters, Ronny Cedeno, Sean Marshall, Garrett Olson, Daniel Cabrera
Orioles get: Khalil Greene, Felix Pie, Jason Marquis (cubs pay 4 mil)

Not bad in my opinion..."

I kind of agree with the trade uww1 its a good trade for 3 teams maybe some of other player maybe be in the deal that will make it ok:
Cubs get: Jake Peavy
Padres get: Josh Vitters, Rodney Cedeno or Ryan Theriot, Sean Marshall or Rich Hill, Garrett Olson, and Daniel Cabrera
Orioles get: Khalil Greene, Felix Pie, Jason Marquis

DTogo-Locke and Rohrobough are better than Marek. Why pick him!

Well because Marek can be a future closer and the Padres need to rebuilt in the Bullpen

"So, the Orioles wouldn't trade Olson for Greene before. But now u think they'd trade him and Quiroz for Greene? LMAO"

i no what ur thinking E K but I never knew that the orioles wouldn't trade Olson for Greene my bad

This is kind of pressure on Kevin Towers so if he does the right thing to trade Peavy to any team then I think that the Padres will be the next Rays

BigPadresfan- Well because Marek can be a future closer and the Padres need to rebuilt in the Bullpen.

Kevin Towers is a master of finding relief pitching. Locke and Rohrobough are lefthanded top of the rotation power pitcher. Something that the Padres have none in thier farm system. Thank god you are not the GM of the Padres.

Marek might be a future closer but that is a stretch. He was just a throw in from the Angels for Tex. He was about 8th on their minor league relief corps depth chart.

BigPadresfan-This is kind of pressure on Kevin Towers so if he does the right thing to trade Peavy to any team then I think that the Padres will be the next Rays.

They will never be like the Rays. The Rays draft athletic postion players the Padres draft Money ball players with OBP speed is not part of their drating .The Rays draft power pithcers. The Padres draft pitcher with "pitchability". Control over pure stuff.

the orioles wont decide what to do with roberts till tex shakes out. if the sign tex watch for them to extend b-rob. otherwise prepare for roberts rumors until the deadline.

I am not trying to the Padres GM but I these are my thoughts

Oh right srry my bad I forgot about Ramon Hernandez has 8 million dollars due

I like Pie for Olsen in terms of value but I don't know if it makes much sense for the O's. Markakis and Jones have two positions locked down and then they have Scott, who is great against righties but horrible against lefties, to platoon with Montanez and Riemold. I am just not sure where Pie fits in, unless the O's have another trade in the works.

O's wouldn't eat Ramon's salary to then pay Greene's salary as well. Ramon actually could be more valuable than Greene so I really doubt the Padres could do much better than that deal.

they might eat his salary. dont confuse them for a small market team. angelos has deep pockets and andy has repeatedly got him to dip in those pockets. he has drafted and signed multiple boras clients, rehauled the scouting department, hired krivsky, ate salaries on players like gibbons and traschel, both of who the orioles owe money to this season and gibbons the next, and as for ramons value, hos trade value certainly has dropped this past year and then you add on the fact the rangers have a wealth of solid young catchers there are certainly better options out there for san diego

at the same time the o's would rather keep there players than get nothing for them. if they can get young talent in exchange for these guys they would take it even if they had to eat the large salaries. the thinking is eat the salaries and get younger or eat the salaries and play these guys. or as in the case of trachsel eat the salary and make a roster spot open up for young talent

Here is what I think the potential deal is-

Cubs get Peavy and Huff

O's get Pie, Marquis(cubs pay part of his contract), Greene, and Donald Veal

Padres get Garrett Olson, Sean Marshall, Cedeno, Kevin Hart, and Josh Vitters

It would give the Padres 3 young cheap starters along with a young SS to replace Greene and Vitters who has as much upside as you can get.

It gives the Cubs their Ace to round out the best rotation in the NL if not baseball. It also gives the Aubrey Huff, who can play both the infield and outfield corners spots. He could be used as a platoon partner in RF with Derosa.

The O's get Greene, a guy that would really help them at short. Get Pie who can platoon in any of the outfield positions. A young lefty starter in Veal who could be in the majors if he gets his control in order. And finally Marquis who can round out their rotation as a strong sturdy arm and a veteran presence. The O's also move Huff and his contract to make so they can add Texeria.

Just my thought.

Olson's stock has sunk because of his performance in the majors, statistically speaking. Though he is a good prospect still. All of his issues stems from awful bullpen support who would typically relieve him with 1-2 runners onboard and invariably give up a key hit which destroyed his ERA. It happened over and over and over again. That's not to say he doesn't need some work. His main project is adjusting to the major league strikezone, but it seems to be more mental than anything else. The courage to challenge hitters and just throw it in there. He doesn't have extreme stuff that will dominate hitters to allow him to just throw it anywhere in there. His stuff is still above-average with above-average control (as a minorleaguer). As a major leaguer, when he missed, it wasn't by much at all, which leads you to believe he was nibbling all year. Right now I'd have to say that easily grades out as a better pitcher than John Maine was at the same age. If Maine was a C+ when he left the Os, Olson has to be a B- or B type od talent. Moving out of the AL East and into the NL would and into the Padres park would really make him a great young lefty pitcher.

If Piniella has his way what money is left would go to get Raul Ibanez, which could stretch their budget as well. Raul Ibanez would be a smarter target than peavy.

I think these three work out a deal and probably do get it done around December 8-11. When you really look at it these teams have a lot that they match up on and then some.

The cubs could get not only Peavy but possibly an outfielder they've been looking for, the Orioles could get Greene and Pie to replace giving up an outfielder, and of course the Padres get better prospects and can finally deal Peavy and maybe other big money players like Greene or Giles to cut payroll.

ORIOLES OBJECTIVES:
If the Os are interested in this deal they are interested in reaching these objectives:

1. Young minorleague or mlb talent
2. Young MLB SS
3. Major league SP depth
4. Minorleague Position player depth.

A lot of the supposed proposals here fail to hit these goals, from an Oriole perspective. The Orioles aren't going to deal Cabrera without an SP coming back. Sorry. He has sucked so far but he eats a TON of innings. Most of the mentioned deals has the Os dealing 2 SPs to get back an SS or SS-Pie. That just won't happen. Period. We all know what it looks like when the Orioles don't see a deal that fits them, that is, rumors 24/7 until the 2nd week before Opening Day.

GlennAllen,

your deal would mean the Orioles are giving up Huff for a back of the rotation starter and below-average shortstop both of whom will be in their 30s next year and a B-level prospect with control issues. I think the O's have seen control problems rarely work themselves out and should look for more long term solutions at SS.

"The O's get Greene, a guy that would really help them at short. Get Pie who can platoon in any of the outfield positions. A young lefty starter in Veal who could be in the majors if he gets his control in order. And finally Marquis who can round out their rotation as a strong sturdy arm and a veteran presence. The O's also move Huff and his contract to make so they can add Texeria."

While I can def see the O's moving Huff if and when they sign Tex i'm guessing that they wouldn't want any piece of this deal. If Olsen is worth at least Pie as it is speculated then i would hope they could get more than Greene, Marquis and Veal for Huff. Even if the Cubs paid $8 million of Marquis's contract (which they obviously wouldn't do) the O's would acutally be taking on some salary, when you compare Huff to Greene and Marquis, so there is no benefit there. Veal is Rule V eligible so the O's could have him for 50K if they want him. Also Greene is not that valuable he had a MISERABLE year last year he's not exactly an allstar.

Now thats not to say that I couldn't see Marquis or Greene as part of this deal, both have some value to the O's but that value does not equate to Roberts, Huff, Scott, Sherrill ect. Both players are in the last year of their deal the O's aren't trading a top propsect or a valuable piece. It would involve someone like D-Cab or some moderate prospect.

I can see that trade happening. Pie to the Orioles, Olson, Vitters, Cedeno, maybe another prospect to the Padres, Peavy to the Cubs? At least that is a very basic variation of it. That is definitely a possibility.

Also, RAWbert, I see that NOWHERE on the Angels or MLB websites that the Angels were preparing that offer. Plus it wouldn't make sense. Losing Weaver to gain Peavy? They'd still have to fill a hole in the rotation. I highly doubt they would make that trade.
Peavy would have to approve a deal there anyways and LAA isn't on his list.

Yeah losing Weaver to gain Peavy. That is like losing a dollar and finding a 20. Weaver is a borderline league average pitcher. Peavy is an ace. Again, makes no sense. Peavy/Lackey/Santana/Saunders/Escobar/Adenhart etc. Where is the hole? And even if they did have to fill in a rotation spot, I am pretty sure it would be easier to find a number 5 guy and sign him then it is to find a guy like Peavy. Jered Weaver, in no way, shape, or form, should stop the Halo's from getting Peavy if they can.

i cant see macphail trading olsen or cabrera for a guy like pie. he flipped traschel to the cubs for scott moore, former first round pick, and two relievers. my point is he'll wait and wait and wait till he gets a deal he likes. typically mulitple young parts. or he ll keep what he has till he feels a need to do otherwise.

QUICK SCOUTING REPORT ON GARRETT OLSON
Olson's stock has sunk somewhat because of his performance in the majors, statistically speaking. Though he is a good young pitcher still. All of his issues stems from awful bullpen support which would typically relieve him with 1-2 runners onboard and invariably give up a key hit which destroyed his ERA. It happened over and over and over again. That's not to say he doesn't need some work. His main project is adjusting to the major league strikezone, but it seems to be more mental. His minorleague K/BB ratios have always been solid, the courage to challenge hitters and just throw it in there. He doesn't have extreme stuff that will dominate hitters to allow him to just throw it anywhere. His stuff is still above-average with above-average control. As a major leaguer, when he missed, it wasn't by much at all, which leads you to believe he was nibbling all year. Right now I'd have to say that easily grades out as a better pitcher than John Maine was at the same age. If Maine was a C+ when he left the Os, Olson has to be a B- or B type of talent. Moving out of the AL East into the NL and into the Padres park would really make him a nice young lefty pitcher.

Fastball: 88-92 mph (Tops out at 94). Average tail action. Good sink. Good life. Keeps it low in the strikezone. Good command.

Curveball: Best pitch. 79-83 mph. 11-5 angle. Arm angle drops from fastball delivery slightly. Must work on that. Hides ball well. Good 12.5" diving action, breaks 2.5 inches horizontally. Sometimes when thrown harder, lateral break grows makes it more slider-like.

Changeup: 79-83 mph. Developing 3rd pitch. Release point matches fastball delivery. Hides it ok. Throws it only to righties and for only 10% of the time, usually early in the count. Natural tailing action gives it a splitter-like 11.39 inches average break.

anyone have the link for the angels offer for peavy that RAWbert claimed

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081126&content_id=3694591&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana

Cubs can't afford Peavy right now unless they trade off someone of value to free up enough money to fit his contract in their budget. If angels get involved, Cubs will not be able to compete with them. So if Cubs are going to do something they had better get it done before Angels get involved.

Peavy will go to Angels or Braves or stay as a Padre.

"Cubs get Peavy and Huff

O's get Pie, Marquis(cubs pay part of his contract), Greene, and Donald Veal

Padres get Garrett Olson, Sean Marshall, Cedeno, Kevin Hart, and Josh Vitters"

Why not just close the entire Cubs farm system while you're at it? Jeez. Reality check please.