White Sox Considering Dye Trade

As always Kenny Williams is here to make the offseason far more interesting. Tim should seriously pay the guy some commission...

Dye to the Rays makes good sense. Maybe the Sox kick in some salary and pick up Jackson out of it?

Lots of mets fans want the Sox to pick up Castillo. of course that's never going to happen. I would take Martinez.

If Dye is traded I guess Swish moves over to RF and we still don't have a CF.

um ur not serious with the wright/beltran talk are you??

its clear the White Sox are wanting to dump Javier..he could be had easily..Im sure a package of

Heilman,F-Mart,Kunz or Parnell and maybe Murphy could get Dye and Vazquez..

I dunno but their is no way Beltran, Wright, or Reyes is involved in any trade involving Dye, Jenks, or Vazquez or ALL OF THEM lol

however...Sox want a 2nd basemen....Castillo tortured them when he was a Twin...might work out and Murphy is rumored to be able to play 2nd.

Sox are probably going to go with Getz or Nix at 2b, as they would be just as productive or non-productive as Castillo. Castillo is bad and the Sox have no reason to take him on.

you're also pretty ignorant too, Jenks would really up a package at the snap of a finger, Vazquez is quality and Dye can hit like a mo fo

I could see the Braves getting in on Dye and Vazquez for a deal built around Kelly Johnson and Gorkys Hernandez. Kelly isn't a very good base stealer but he's fast when he's running the bases and Gorkys could add a lot of speed down the road if KW is truly looking for a quicker team.

If Escobar is traded to SD, I guess KJ is off the table, but the Braves still might be able to deal for one of the two with a package built around Hernandez.

As much as I'd love for the sox to trade dye (best value out of all three old slow guys), i just dont think it will happen. KW never seems to make any deals that the media gets the scoop on.

I didn't mention Jenks in the deal because Mets will most likely go FA for a Closer..so who is ignorant?? lol @ ur reasoning for Kunz...Met would trade him for the right price... F-Mart has been the Mets best prospect for a few years now..and Heilman is 29 and teams still feel he could be a decent starter..he's actually wanted by a few teams.

Yea i obviously don't like baseball because i don't know a prospects nickname, logic is lacking there

if he's so valuable then why would you trade him for someone like Dye, who is getting pretty old and can't play worth a sh*t in the month of September

tell me "F-Mart's" real name

oh okay met fans, play the "no you are" because you see things your way
you did mention Jenks in the deal

RIPShea
youre quote:
I dunno but their is no way Beltran, Wright, or Reyes is involved in any trade involving Dye, JENKS, or Vazquez or ALL OF THEM lol

unless you just don't know what you are talking about looks to me you were talking about a deal with Jenks in it and not having any value to it and adding all 3 of those names, i'm pretty sure you could get a pretty good hefty amount of good ball players for that package

any deal, yea hahaha, k
Kunz, no, he doesn't have that great a stuff, he's getting rocked in the AFL and in his debut he didn't even look that coordinated hahaha it was pretty bad
you don't know what you're talking about with Kunz, I honestly don't think that boy is going to pan out

and with that Guerra guy, was he your first round pick? oh -- okay
so what if he was 18

please
met fans

You think that's the only reason why they want to get rid of Vazquez? for his contract?

I like baseball: lol would you trade us quentin for carlos delgado?

why even mention wright and beltran...wright,reyes,beltranand murphy are untouchables unless we are getting equal value for them.

dye is a nice player but he is old and is going to be a free agent soon.

Here is how STUPID the Reds are and WHY they have had eight straight LOSING seasons.

They COULD have had Josh Willingham of the Marlins. A Right Handed power hitter who plays Left Field. A guy who is 29 years old, is set to make $5 million or less IF he wins his Salary Arbitration case and who could have been had for a couple of B level Minor Leaguers.

From 2006 through 2008, away from his spacious Home ball park, Willingham hit .280, with an On Base Percentage of .373, a Slugging Percentage of .514 and an OPS of .887. So, moving to Great American Small Park and batting between Joey Votto and Jay Bruce, you could reasonably expect his numbers to be similiar to his Road stats.

But does Jocketty do anything about this? NO!!! Sure, in a story earlier today he said he asked about Willingham but, of course, didn't deo anything about it.

WHY???

It can't be because of what the Marlins wanted for Willingham.

It can't be because of his potential salary.

It can't be because of his age.

It can't be because of his production away from his Hoem ball park (unlike Holliday and Atkins).

It can't be because of his potentail injury problem (Ryan Freel, Alex Gonzalez and Jocketty STILL going after Jerry Hairston Jr).

So it either had to be because Grumpy Bob Ca$htellini still has a man crush on Adam Dunn OR Josh WIllingham jsut wasn't a big enough name for Ca$htellini's PR and marketing department.

So, instead of picking up EXACTLY WHAT JOCKETTY SAID THE REDS WERE NEEDING AND LOOKING FOR, they let Willingham slip through their fingers and are NOW supposedly looking at a guy (Jermaine Dye) who is five years older than Willingham, who will make at least 2 1/2 times as much as Willingham, salary wise and who is going to cost a LOT more than Willingham as far as talent to get him.

If Dye goes to the Reds, stays healthy and gets 100 RBI's (compared to Willingham who if he plays 140 Games would get at least 80 RBI's), REALLY worth the better players it would take to trade for him and the $6 plus million dollars more in salary he is scheduled to make?

I don't think so.

I think it would have been better for the Reds to trade for Willingham and THEN use the extra money to resign Jeremy Affeldt or bring in some other guys who would strengthen the Bull Pen.

Vazquez is signed to a good contract and will give you 200 innings of better than average pitching. They won't just dump him to whoever takes him. They are not desperate to trade, they just really want to.

The Sox play in a power hitter's park and all they want is speed. They could use a 3rd baseman more than anything and use Fields as a DH.

Hoff that's what I'm thinking
Fields isn't the best of fielders, defiantly degrading to Crede, those are some pretty big shoes to fill from '04-'06

White Sox are looking at that 19-year-old Cuban defect that's been living in South Florida since May

you have got to be the most ignorant Met fan that's 13 or 14 years old, that can't comprehend

tell me, when was the last time Dye was injured for a good amount of time? yea, ignorant

Vazquez you're right
JENKS???? are you serious? average closer
he's among the elite closers in the game TODAY, you don't know what you are talking about and you DON'T know baseball
all you are is a bias young teenage met fan

and for the record it's delusional not
'dillusional'
learn how to spell

Jenks is certainly much better than an average closer and is going to be cheap for at least the next 3 years.

You must have been my 8th grade English teacher "I Like Baseball". It's 11 pm here on the East Coast and I've had a long day @ work. So I came on the site to check a few rumors. You attacking me is quite funny though I'll admit. Get a life! and some baseball knowledge!

If I had a choice between Jenks, K-Rod,Fuentes,Hoffman, or Street I believe Jenks would be at the bottom of that list. I'm not that sold on him but that might just be me. He's not gonna be traded anyhow so this is pointless.

hahaha, I Like Baseball is a sign i read during the WS you moron, having a 'long day' at work doesn't excuse the fact you couldn't spell and you telling me to get a life is relevant to me telling you
"i bet my dad can beat your dad up"

you need to gain some baseball knowledge because you first of all think Jenks is just 'average' secondly think that Dye is 'injury plagued' think that all three of Vazquez, Jenks and Dye wouldn't be able to land a Beltran or Wright (reyes i don't know where you got him from, the sox don't need a SS)

if it would be a beltran it would actually have to probably have more in the package
as for Wright, it would be a 3 for 1 trade i would say

so please, just go to bed, you really must of had a long day at work for how bad your logic is

sit down and have a glass of water or something

I meant white sox fans*

haha i knew what you meant

i presume those are his minor league numbers?
right?

Metsfan08, the trade would be based completely on selling high. A great closer who is cheap for at least 3 more years will net quite a haul.

i agree with nixa. braves should find out what it would take to get dye and vazquez. i'm sure the sox r down on javier right now, and maybe they could get a really good deal for him in a deal for dye. give the padres flowers, escobar and morton for peavy. give the white sox a package including hernandez and kelly johnson. then the braves can start prado at 2nd, and sign a ss, preferably furcal. then they wouldn't even have to overpay for a free aganet sp. sounds like a plan to me. makes too much sense to actually happen, though.

But Johnson would be great for the Sox.

wow.... @ clowning my spelling "Supterstar" ?? dont know what that is

Holliday isn't that great out of Coors field in his career (his defense doesn't compare to Beltran)

Ichiro has no power

Markakis is not in the top 10 % of outfielders

Either?? LMAOOOOOOo sorry

Hamilton...1 breakout year, ton of RBIs..im happy for him

Quentin?? yea did u really just say that?

point is Beltran does everything. He gets gold gloves and he steals 20 bases a year. He hits for power, he's clutch in clutch situations (06 playoffs anyone?) and he drives in runs. He's a great club-house guy too.

RIPSHEA:

Beltran wasn't so clutch when he struck out in the final AB of the cardinals - mets series in the '06 playoffs

Thats when it matters the most!

Carlos Quentin - everyone's heard of him. He is GOD.

I Like Baseball, I think the point is that young, cheap, multi-talented superstars like David Wright are virtually priceless. Yes, Vasquez, Dye, and Jenks are nice players, but none are superstars, and Vaquez and Dye are both earning more than they're worth. Wright is earning significantly less than he's worth.

Wright is only 26 and has a career .922 OPS and 139 OPS+. He also plays solid (if not Gold Glove) defense. He's never had an average lower than .302, an OBP lower than .381, or a SLG lower than .523 in any of his four major league seasons. He'll also cost about $45 million for the next four years, very reasonable for his level of production.

Carlos Beltran, on the other hand, is easily the best CF in the NL for three years running. Check with experts. Bill James Fielding Bible, Baseball Prospectus, Hardball Times, all rate Beltran as the #1 overall CF in the NL. He's not cheap, but his contract is very reasonable for his production level.

Jermaine Dye is a nice bat. That's about it. He doesn't draw a ton of walks. He's below average defensively and doesn't play a premium position. And he's 10 years older than Wright.

Vasquez is a reliable pitcher. He's not dominant, he's reliable. He'll give you 200 innings, decent ratios, and an averagish ERA, but being owed $23 million over the next two years, he's only mildly appealing.

Jenks is a closer. There's a reason elite closers get paid $10-12 million a year, elite starters get paid $15-20 million a year and elite position players get paid $20-25 million a year. 80 dominant IP just isn't as valuable as 200 dominant innings or 550 dominant ABs. The values are the same on the trade market. Jenks has very good value, but its not like Haren or Peavy or even Santana or Bedard.

These three do not equal Wright. The Mets would be a worse team if they traded Wright for these three, and the White Sox would be much, much better.

Four FULL major league seasons*

BraunHolio - I liked the conor jackson for dye and $ trade idea. Nice work. I thought of that as well.

"BraunHolio - I liked the conor jackson for dye and $ trade idea. Nice work. I thought of that as well."

Love to be agreed with but I was thinking about Edwin Jackson!

I dont think the rays need Dye. Dan Johnson could be the other bat the Rays need. He should fit in well. He's a big OBP guy, too.

He had a pretty good season @ Durham

Fernando Hernandez is too raw at this point. Give him 2 years to develop.

Kenny Williams is considering trading Jenks because he's confident in his ability to build a cheap bullpen.

This is exactly why you send scouts to watch guys like Parnell and Kunz. If he can get a blue chipper like Fernando Martinez plus a couple live arms he likes for Jenks and a high priced vet like Vasquez or Dye, he trusts his scouts to get him some cheap arms that could replenish the relief corps. effectively. Its not like Omar, who has all the pressure of an angry NY fanbase to find a top tier closer. Omar can't afford to experiment with these guys, even if he likes them. Plus KW would free up some salary to spend on other acquisitions.

Your saying you would take Vasquez, Dye, and Jenks for Wright or Beltran? I'm sorry...that's just incorrect. KW would jump on the deal, but Omar shouldn't even respond to an offer like that. David Wright is arguably already the best position player in Mets history. Again, Jenks, Vasquez and Dye are all above average players, but trading the three of them for Wright makes the Mets a worse team.

Ok. Let's just when pigs fly Wright and Beltran get traded and traded for those mediocre players.

Who goes to third or center field? I'm just wondering... Are you people in la-la land?

There are probably 5 closers in the game that are dominant. The rest are average.. Above average relievers but average closers. Jenks fits that role. He's not going to the Mets or any other team for that matter. The closer market/trading block is already full of plenty of options and not enough teams.

hahahahaha
first things first
there's a difference between a type-o and being dumb

you were being dumb, and you still are by saying "GG, duhhhh i don't know what he tried to say"

Supterstar*
you totally butchered delusional you just didn't know how to spell it
because you're dumb

secondly lmao, Markakis is the most under rated outfielder there is, he get's not publicity because he plays in Baltimore I'd take a young 23 year old who is very versatile

as for Hamilton, you think he's a joke? you don't think he'll prevail again?

Ichiro can give you 200+ hits every year and can hit for better average at ease and can steal a lot of bases and yea, he does have a lot of power you just don't follow baseball too closely
Ichiro has a lot of pop

you think because "oh, beltran drove in a lot of runners" he's the best all around outfielder
you're really uneducated about this whole situation

you're still playing dumb with the whole Jenks topic
damn i've never seen anyone talk such BS before

I'm saying hypothetically that Jermaine Dye, Bobby Jenks and Javier Vazquez could easily land Beltran regardless what team he's on

As for Wright it could

As for the whole closers POV MEddler

I'd have to say there are the elite closers then the rest
they are all perfectly capable of closing out games at the same rate, don't go by saves but yet the save to blown save ratio because not all closers get equal amount of opportunities due to they don't have very many save situations. but
the closers that are great are

Rivera, Papelbon, Soria, Lidge, K-Rod, Joe Nathan and Bobby Jenks
yea, that's it i would say

Good call on Nathan, but you're way off on Wright or Beltran.

Markakis and Beltran had similar types of offensive seasons in 2008, and in fact they are similar types of offensive players. They both have power, speed and play good defense.

The difference:

Markakis is younger, cheaper, hits for a bit more average, and plays RF, a less premium defensive position.

Beltran is older, but still in his prime, more expensive, has a bit more pop, switch hits, is a better baserunner, and plays CF.

Strictly from a win-now strictly talent perspective, I'd take Beltran in a heartbeat. He steals more bases, he plays a more premium position. He's a bonafide switch hitting run producer at a premium defensive position.

However, if I was a GM trying to rebuild and looking for a long-term franchise player, I might take Markakis, but it would be close. There's more for Markakis in the future though. His power looks like its developing on a similar course to Beltran's, although he may not turn into the 25 SB lock Beltran is.

Ichiro may be and automatic 200 hits, but he doesn't walk or have any pop, and his speed is diminishing. He's a great player, but his skills are eroding, and he doesn't have the plate discipline to retain his mega-value as they do. Even in 2008, his OPS+ was only 102.

As for trading Beltran or Wright for Vasquez, Jenks, and Dye its just not a good deal for the Mets. I'm sorry, you're just wrong. Ask Tim. Ask anyone who studies the business of baseball remotely professionally. The Mets are not a better team if they trade Wright or Beltran for Vasquez, Jenks, and Dye, so why would they ever do it?

Man, whatever happened to the intelligent posters who know both major league and minor league baseball and don't call each other ridiculous names in lieu of discussing the sport?

Shhhh...I'm trying to steer the discourse in that direction lol.

LMAO let's not be the grammar police here, nice bum a$$ excuse with the whole "oh i'm on a blackberry"
typeo isn't even a word you moron, hence it's type-o just because you show you're dumb doesn't mean you can get all angry about it

if it's baseball 'for god sakes' then talk it, you just devoted a whole post to complaining about me calling you out on stupidity
talk baseball
and how you think Beltran is the best outfielder!

could we take a poll here
Q:
How many of you think that Carlos Beltran of the New York Mets is the best in the business playing in the outfield?

If you can find someone (easily) better, please post

I wouldn't say he's the best outfielder in baseball, all I said was he's the best Centerfielder in the NL. And I'm not stating an opinion, I'm quoting experts who have done metric comparisons. Check out position ratings at The Hardball Times. At Caleb Pieffer's Hot Stove preview at Baseball Prospectus he referred to Beltran as "the best center fielder in the NL". These are the people who analyze and assign value to different players for a living.

yes i know -- that is different then the whole Out field
RIPShea referred to him as the "best outfielder"
Center field that's a different story, not too many great marquee center fielders other than Beltran, Hunter (if he'd have a better .avg) and Sizemore

don't mind the troll
RIPShea