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Angels Agree To Terms With Juan Rivera

2:44pm: The AP reports Rivera's three-year deal is worth $12.75MM.  It might turn out OK if Rivera is able to hit .300 to push his OBP to an acceptable range.

FRIDAY, 1:49pm: ESPN's Jerry Crasnick says Rivera has agreed to a three-year contract with the Angels.  Three years seems excessive, but we don't know the money yet.  Does this take the Halos out of the mix for Manny Ramirez?

THURSDAY, 10:37pm: According to Yahoo's Tim Brown, the Angels are nearing a three-year agreement with free agent outfielder Juan Rivera

Brown says the Halos are pursuing other free agents as well and operating as if Mark Teixeira will sign with the Red Sox.  GM Tony Reagins has talked to the agents for Bobby Abreu, Pat Burrell, and Adam Dunn, but not Milton Bradley.  The Angels may also sign a closer, and Brian Fuentes makes sense.


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"Brown says the Halos are pursuing other free agents as well and operating as if Mark Teixeira will sign with the Red Sox."

haha, he should read the thread right before this one, email it to him tim, that would be funny!

"Brown says the Halos are pursuing other free agents as well and operating as if Mark Teixeira will sign with the Red Sox."

What the hellll

This is just making my head hurt now. Does anyone know what's going on with Tex? Do the teams know what's going on with Tex?

Unless the Angels hand the starting LF gig to Rivera, I don't see why he would sign back up in LA.

He likely could've gotten a full time job somewhere else, or at least I would've thought.

no doubt he's going to be the everyday LF.

now all we need is Tex back...

Looks like Boras has overplayed his hand... if no BoSox, no LAA, then who?

Nats?
O's?

If you were an agent do you really want to say to your client, "Hey, I've got an awesome offer for a team that can't afford anyone but you for the time you are there and probably won't be a serious contender for a half-decade, but at least you will be close to where you grew up!"

Good! I love Rivera and would welcome him back in a heartbeat to play LF everyday. He is a solid bat that is needed. Lock him up Angels!

Yeah I was worried he'd leave for greener pastures
maybe their lack of resigning GA was the motivation he needed to come back? Now get GA as a role player...teach him RF, and we can rock. Teix, c'mon back..you know you can't beat the OC

The Nationals may not be good for another half decade, but Baltimore has some good young talent already at the MLB level and a pretty decent farm system. They also have some flexibility financially. They may not have the cash to spend year in and year out like the Yankees, but if they need to they can afford to pony up some decent money. I seriously doubt the Red Sox are out of it, but I can definitely see why Tex would want to sign with Baltimore as well.

jpshark -

WTF! Go post that garbage in the Tex section. This is about Juan Rivera. This is getting ridiculous. People just posting stuff everywhere.

What does signing Rivera have to do with Tex. Nada, the Halos need a LF and Rivera fits the bill. So then you go after Tex for 1b. Simple. The Sox bailed out and if Tex wants to go to the Nats or the O's whatever, but the Angles should be hot on the Tex track now! Give him 8-176 and he should take it. Hell give him 8-184.

dchillis -

well, if they thought they were getting Tex, Rivera is a cheap, solid addition that saves money.

i think this vastly improved the Halos' chances of landing Tex

Rivera back is great. Tex is solid, but I believe that Kendry Morales will have his day if given an opportunity to play everyday. a 5th starter and a solid hitter in front of Vlad should be the priority. The Angels can win with what they have now and take a look at mid season as they did last year for another bat or arm to fill a void. Tex will regret signing with the Red Sox when he sees them fall out of playoff contention and dream of playing in those sunny warm playoff games in Anaheim.

Actually dpncharge, 5 of the 7 post before yours directly mentioned Tex and the article mentions the Halos looking past Tex. So this thread could very well be about him too. Please don't be so rude.

I'd love to see Rivera starting in LF. He can mash and has proven his leg is healed and can go full time.

Uh, lets calm down a little k bud. I was responding to the other posts regarding the Teixeira situation, and actually this post by Tim directly mentions the Tex situation in regards to how the Angels will handle their offseason moves at this point. Read past the first sentence before you decide to get cranky next time....things are gonna be ok in Angels land so relax.

I'm a big fan of Rivera. While hoping for someone a little more consistent, I think Rivera could go 275/330 with 25 HR's (if playing FT). If you can acquire that for $5m/year then it's a good deal.

I wonder if the Angels look towards Manny now for LF. Use the money earmarked for Tex and give it to Manny. Rivera can spell Vlad and Manny in the field or rotate with Morales at 1B. With less potential suitors and the Dodgers being cheap Manny might come as a bargain.

Oh, and please, please, please do not even consider signing Fuentes. The draft pick loss + his salary would be money not well spent.

This is good for the Angels. Rivera has shown that he can be a reliable player when he's healthy and gets regular starting time. If GA doesn't return, this offer makes Gary Matthews very expendable. The Angels wouldn't get much for him, but they can dump his $20 million over two years.

Ksy92003 -

i seriously doubt they'd re-sign GA if they're bring Rivera back on a 3 year deal.

actually, i seriously doubt Rivera would sign somewhere that wouldn't give him substantial playing time (as would be the case with a GA return)

he's going to anaheim.

i have it on good authority.

woops.. i meant that for the teixera post

jpshark-
Sorry about that. That was pretty lame of me. I'm just so sick of all this Tex stuff.

I was hoping they'd get Burrell or Abreu AND bring back Tex. Rivera is too much of a risk.

"Tex and Burrell or Abreu."

That's a little to expensive. I'd rather see that money go towards extending Big John Lackey. Trade for another bat if possible. That makes more sense to me.

I wouldn't consider Rivera a risk. I would have preferred Bobby Abreu over him, but he will do. Hopefully the Angels can find somebody who will take GMJ's awful contract of our hands.

This is smart. it's showing Boras that LA isn't just going to wait forever for Tex. Something either happens quick, or they're moving on. Good move.

so what happens to matthews?? hes just goona sit in the bench and look pretty! they should put him 2 use! the guy could still play just didnt have a good year!

if they sign DUnn, he'll hit 50 Hrs in the AL, and in that division

my guess is tex makes the biggest mistake of his life and signs with the nats, 10 years, 200+ mil

"my guess is tex makes the biggest mistake of his life and signs with the nats, 10 years, 200+ mil"

They only offered 8 years.

"if they sign DUnn, he'll hit 50 Hrs in the AL, and in that division"

So Dunn hits 40 homers in four consecutive seasons while playing the NL in a big time hitters park, and then moves to the AL and a neutral park, and now he hits 50 homers? Explain.

Angels won't be trading Matthews for anything of value unless they eat 50% of his contract.

For the record he has 3/33 left - basically what Raul Ibanez just cost the Phillies.

I think the Angels keep him. Even with Rivera, Hunter, and Vlad there will be plenty of time to cover for one of the corner outfielders while they rotate into the DH spot.

It can't be explained scribbletone.

I think Rivera is a great talent and it is unfortunate that he was blocked by GMJ's contract and some rust last year. My only real problem with this signing is that the Angels suddenly have a dearth of left-handed power in a lineup when the following are their currently signed power hitters:

Vlad
Napoli
Rivera
Hunter

Everyone of those guys is straight RH, and this team suddenly looks like the Cubs. Morales, a switch hitter, may be the solution, but who knows?

"Now get GA as a role player...teach him RF"

GA played RF regularly and effectively in 1998, posting 9 assists (11 total) and a 2.31 RF/9. He has also spent more than 400 games in CF, though his age probably wouldn't allow that any more.

"So Dunn hits 40 homers in four consecutive seasons while playing the NL in a big time hitters park, and then moves to the AL and a neutral park, and now he hits 50 homers? Explain."

The AL is the better league for hitters, simply because of the pitcher use and lineup protection. The park does play a big difference, however, as Anaheim is neutral overall and eats home runs alive.

I always thought Vlad took them out of the Manny sweepstakes. Vlad needs to DH to save his knees.

Eventually, if not now, Manny's going to have to DH.

Doesn't this team need a LH bat anyhow?

3 Years.. 12.75 million. (MLB.com)

Way to play your way out of all the big name FA OF coming up this offseason and next, LAA.

This deal reeks of GMJ, (the bad)Weaver, Finley and Colon deals. LAA just isnt good at signing FA's outside of the certified HOFer Vlad.

3 years to the permanently injured guy who has like 1 good year 3 years ago to his name? Angels fans are insane and have clue about anything if they think this is a good deal. Manny, Tex, Burrell or Dunn would actually put away the division, instead theyre leaving the door wide open for Oakland to snatch it away, and with their deep list of prospects coming, they wont be letting it go for a while.

Seriously though, if you think this is a good move you are out of your mind.

Solid signing if at $4m/year.

I don't think this has any impact on Manny/Dunn, etc.

If Tex doesn't sign, do the Angels make a run at Dunn for DH?

la16 -

i saw a story on the LA Times that siad they thought Dunn was a defensive liability and a base-clogger, so sadly, i doubt it.

LAAoA ditched Jose Guillen because of his attitude, and they are already saying they want nothing to do with Milton Bradley. I don't understand why people think they'll entertain thoughts of Manny. Dunn and Abreu are base cloggers. I think they'll sign Burrell even though he walks too much.

I REALLY hope Pat Burrell comes nowhere near Angel Stadium.. he's overpriced and useless. The Angels would be better of going into the season with their current team (now with the addition of Rivera).

That being said, I still think Tex comes to Anaheim

"Dunn and Abreu are base cloggers."

Huh? Abreu is an extremely adept base stealer and hustles constantly. He would actually make a ton of sense for the Angels LF job, because he bats LH.

An OPS+ of over 122 the last 4 years is "useless" now, wow you learn something new every day.

"I don't understand why people think they'll entertain thoughts of Manny. Dunn and Abreu are base cloggers. I think they'll sign Burrell even though he walks too much."

every single thing about this piece of writing is wrong.

"walks too much" = not making an out = what good hitters do. You literally just made getting on base sound like a bad thing. Wow some fan you are man. What next? Is grounding out the best thing a player can do? Or maybe its the popup making OUTS and losing games is awesome!!!

To PL:

Juan Rivera broke his leg, he's hardly an injury prone guy. He had an incredibly solid year of batting .310, 23 HRs and 85 RBIs over about 120 games. Given more at bats, easily would have reached the 100 RBI mark, and neared the 30 HR mark, that's a solid player.

He missed about a full year because of broken leg and wasn't able to get into a rhythm this past year early in the season, which he finally did halfway through the season, and became solid.

I'm not going to argue that Burrell or Dunn are not more consistent because they've shown year after year, though Rivera will bat for a higher average as a career .280 hitter. For only $4 million a year, I'd say this a nice signing.

The Angels last year were 20 games AHEAD of the second place team in the division. Losing the division is not something the Angels are concerned about this year, its all about the playoffs. The Angels could stay put (even minus Teixeira), and still win the division, our priority however is acquiring (or holding onto) someone who would assist us in the playoffs.

Don't how this is a bad signing. Maybe not a blockbuster deal or anything, but I would prefer Juan Rivera for four million FAR MORE than the following through with the previous rumored interest in Raul Ibanez.

Anyone who uses the term base clogger is automatically disqualified from any real baseball conversations.

That being said, I like this deal a lot.

"I think they'll sign Burrell even though he walks too much."

Holy s... I didn't think people like you existed anymore. Mind boggling.

I apologize on behalf of all Angel fans. Most of us realize that having an outstanding OBP and hitting 40 HR's actually is a good thing.

Dunn and Burrell are awful in the field. No doubt about it. However, either can spend significant time at DH (rotating with Vlad). First base is also an option assuming Tex doesn't resign. I like Morales but I'm not 100% sold on the fact he is going to come in and provide an 850+ OPS 2009.

LMAO @ "base clogging"

I'd say Angels fans can rest easy even if Tex doesn't sign, and Morales takes over at 1st.

As a Dodgers fan, I've been able to watch Morales develop, and he is definitely a solid player.

Through the minor leagues (including 146 games in Cuba at 19 and 20 years old), he posted this line (career):

-.337BA, .393OBP, .546slugging...his OPS is .939

Like I said, I don't think you have too much to worry about. Plus, Adam Dunn or Burrell seem ideal for the Angels DH spot. Both strike out a fair amount, but they do what Scioscia loves: having a high OBP as well. That said, I'd rather have Dunn as he has more power, is lefty (don't want to overload that lineup with righties), and has more "defensive versitility", and is faster. Dunn "can" play the corner outfield spots and first base when they need to rest Vladdy at DH.

Makes the most sense. And with Ibanez establishing the market at about $10million/year, I'd say Dunn should expect to receive $9-12 million annual salary. Not too bad of a buy.

Let's say a few things.

"The Angels last year were 20 games AHEAD of the second place team in the division. Losing the division is not something the Angels are concerned about this year, its all about the playoffs. The Angels could stay put (even minus Teixeira), and still win the division, our priority however is acquiring (or holding onto) someone who would assist us in the playoffs."

The 2008 Angels were NOT a true talent 100 win team. Look at their Pythagorean record. Pythagorean O/U of +12, which means that true talent was more that of an 88-90 win team. Which, albeit good, isn't "we're running away with the division" good.

I'm not going to sit here and say that this is a bad signing. It's very low risk. Let's assume the Angels don't get Teixeira. Morales plays 1B, and you have an OF of GMJ-Hunter-Rivera, with Vlad DH. Dunn/Burrell would force Morales to the bench, which is NOT what you want to do with young talent, ESPECIALLY when your farm system is looking thin.

And you don't give guys multiyear deals just to sit 'em on the bench. If Dunn/Burrell/Abreu/Manny/Teixeira is signed, one of the OF will have to be benched to give Morales regular PT. I don't see that happening.

"I always thought Vlad took them out of the Manny sweepstakes. Vlad needs to DH to save his knees. Eventually, if not now, Manny's going to have to DH."

Manny pouts when you ask him to DH. He's a Gold Glove outfielder. Just ask him.

"I didn't think people like you existed anymore."

Sorry, I was assuming sarcasm still existed.

In the Scioscia era, the Angels seem to prefer aggressive hitters over patient hitters, and they seem to have weird fascination with productive outs rather than walks. Dunn, Abreu and Burrell are all hitters who work counts and draw walks, and all three are defensive liabilities (don't tell me about Abreu's GG, that was a sham).

"The 2008 Angels were NOT a true talent 100 win team."

Are you stupid? Get off James' sack for a second... the Angels won 100 games. period. that means they were good enough to win 100 games. get over it.

"'walks too much' = not making an out = what good hitters do. You literally just made getting on base sound like a bad thing. Wow some fan you are man. What next? Is grounding out the best thing a player can do? Or maybe its the popup making OUTS and losing games is awesome!!!"

Guys like Dunn and Burrell (for the record, I like Burrell's game) also strike out a ton as a function of their "patience". K's are, by far, the least valuable out to make, which means their value is lessened.

In the Scioscia era, the "Angels seem to prefer aggressive hitters over patient hitters, and they seem to have weird fascination with productive outs rather than walks. Dunn, Abreu and Burrell are all hitters who work counts and draw walks, and all three are defensive liabilities (don't tell me about Abreu's GG, that was a sham)."

The Angels show quite well that there is more than one way to win at baseball. Also, it isn't like they haven't had a ton of players who get on base. Vlad has a .389 career OBP, Figgins is a .356 and has consistently grown his walk rate, Mike Napoli is a sabermetrician's dream, Morales is an OBP machine because of how well he hits the baseball, Troy Glaus (drafted by and starred for the Angels) is another major run producer. Tim Salmon was another example before he retired.

The real issue is that the Angels value BOTH OBP and the older style of play, and blend the two.

"Manny pouts when you ask him to DH. He's a Gold Glove outfielder. Just ask him."

Actually, the defensive metrics suggest that, while he isn't a Gold Glover, he is certain at least an average defender when playing in a normal ballpark.

"The 2008 Angels were NOT a true talent 100 win team. Look at their Pythagorean record. Pythagorean O/U of +12, which means that true talent was more that of an 88-90 win team. Which, albeit good, isn't "we're running away with the division" good."

I love when people go on and on about the Angels being a "true" 100 win team. The only truth is what actually happens, and the Angels won 100 games and never looked like they struggled doing it. The disciples of Beane can hem and haw all day about how the Angels win games. It is really just whining, given that the Angels have been a consistently excellent team since 2002.

Maybe this should put the Abreu, Burrell, and maybe Dunn rumors to rest. Because hopefully the Halos will get Rivera 500+ at bats.

Rivera, Hunter, Vlad, Matthews Jr, that's the OF/DH rotation. Hard to justify any big money for a fifth guy when that means you're either paying Rivera $4m+ or GMJ $10m+ to be a pinch hitter.

But then again, maybe last spring's plan of moving Rivera to first base is what this is about. Making Rivera Plan B at 1B if Teixeira gets away.

No sarcasm intended here. Is it pretty much the word on the street that Man-NY doesn't like to DH and pouts about it?

the angels are scum. yeah good luck with that juan rivera thing. They are gonna get screwed this off season. They are gonna miss out on tex and any other high profile free agent that they are supposed to afford. If juan is your big signing this year good luck.

"I think they'll sign Burrell even though he walks too much."

That is the way Burrell runs, it just looks like he is walking.

People still hiding behind pythag as if it's some kind of be-all, end-all determinant of how good a team is?

All it factors is runs scored, and runs against. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. There are NUMEROUS factors for a team that can make their pythag artificially inflated one way or the other that don't mean the talent is any less or more talented than their overall record indicates.

I'm not saying it's a useless measure...but rather that it's not a stand-alone tool to judge a team by. That's lazy. Factor other things in. For example, the Angels had a very tight bullpen that held most of its leads, and a very strong rotation. This kept the other team's score relatively low, and since the Angels didn't have to, or just plain DIDN'T score a ton of runs, they got a lot of 1-2 run wins. That's not indicative of a bad team at all, just a team that wins a different brand of baseball with good pitching.

As far as pythag goes, that brand of baseball leaves you EXTREMELY susceptible to having an inflated 'estimated win/loss' with run differential, because it means any single blow-out loss can suddenly "negate" SEVERAL wins. So if the Angels, via their brand of small-ball, and strong pitching, win a bunch of and 4-3 ball games, then throw up a 10-2 loss (which can happen for a number of reasons, including putting in bullpen scrubs when the game started to slip away...and having watched the team all year, I KNOW this to be the case...Chris Bootcheck will verify that), and suddenly you've offset EIGHT wins with ONE loss via pythag...giving you a .500 record. And yet your record is a 100% legit 8-1 at that point.

And go look at the numbers, this WAS the case: they were 31-21 in 1 run games, but lost games by scores of 14-2, 15-8, and 13-4 in the first couple of months...that's enough to offset TWENTY-EIGHT of their one-run wins, and cancel it to a pythag-.500 record. And yet, in reality they would be 28-3 over those 31 games (the 28 1-run games, and the 3 blow-out losses).

Amazingly flawed system for keeping track of a team's real talent if you don't take the time to use it in conjunction with other factors. It unfairly prejudices teams with certain playing styles.

is bill stoneman still in charge?
the angels have a habit of clinging so dearly to their prospects, not realizing when they reach the slippery slope that leads to suspect.
yes, its good to nurture your own talent but when you have positional needs that aren't being filled you make trades.
they have to move now. like the cubs they've painted themselves into a corner where yet another division will mean jack without a trip to the Series.

Did you just compare a team that hasn't won a world series in 100 years to one that hasn't in 6 years? Wow, that's a hell of a reach.

Also, no...Stoneman is not.

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