Giants Will Listen To Proposals Involving Sanchez

Edwin Encaracion. I want this deal to happen badly.

Then the Reds can get Swisher from the Yankees and start Keppinger at 3B, and pray that Gonzalez is healthy. Which I highly doubt he is so they'll start all glove no stick Paul Janish instead.

would it be nady for sanchez straight up

Blalock and Kiker for Sanchez.

If I was Sabean I would too, try to trade him. If he got Kelly Johnson + good prospect it would be great for Giants, but that won't happen.

Sanchez + something for Hardy perhaps? Brewers wouldnt bite, but worth a shot

There are so many reasons which Sanchez should not be traded.

1. You have Alderson and Bumgarner who have not pitched BEYOND A BALL. Hell, Bumgarner hasn't pitched beyond low level A ball, and Alderson Advanced A ball. Same goes for Pucetas and Sosa. Name one top prospect arm the Giants have that has pitched at AA or higher. I don't think either will be up until late 2010, if not 2011. The Giants do NOT have pitching depth for a few more years, and Barry Zito could very easily be relegated to Fresno/the pen by then. Or stuff happens with the other pitchers.

2. The big one. Trading Sanchez is an absolute sell low. Just because Sabean and Bochy were dumbas$es and wanted to go for it all in 06-07 with the "ace" they just bought in Zito and threw Sanchez in the pen and f-ck with his development, smart, smart idea.

Someone go look at Sanchez's K/BB, K/9, FIP, and tRA. All point to Sanchez putting up a much better season than the 5+ ERA he had in '08. So, the Giants would be selling Sanchez as a #4-5, but he had the peripherals of a #3, just ran into some bad luck (BABIP of .327). Since luck usually corrects itself (well, usually...), I strongly expect a #3 type performance from Sanchez.

Oh, and he was jerked around between relieving and starting in 2007, so this is his first full season in MLB starting. Of course he's going to be having a few problems, especially with fatigue/injury issues. Look at his 1st half stats(dominant) as opposed to his 2nd half stats(sucky). Definitely looks like the jump from relief to starting took its toll.

He finished the season off with an injury, if I'm right (Giants fans correct me if I'm wrong).

EE is more OF/1B then 3B even if he hasn't played anywhere other then 3B.

"Kelly Johnson alone, is worth more than him. If call 5.01 ERA in the NL West good, then someone needs glasses, because he'll have over a 6 ERA in the NL East. The only pitcher on the Giants that I want on the Braves is Cain, and maybe Wilson."

Sanchez is a very good YOUNG lefty starting pitcher. He is EXACTLY what the Braves need. Last year was his rookie season - not many pitchers are exactly stellar in their rookie year. KJ plus a prospect for him is not too much at all.

Trading Sanchez is dumb. Pitching is scarce; bats are cheap. There's a ton of offensive talent still available.

Mark Teahen + Carlos Rosa?

"EE is more OF/1B then 3B even if he hasn't played anywhere other then 3B."

Not then, than. Than! Than! Than 3B. Jesus Christ! Then and than are two different words with different meanings.

Sanchez has a career 5.18 major league ERA and has control problems: walking 75 batters in 158 innings this past season.

He needs to show something in the majors before anyone trades anything of value for him. I don't care if he is left handed and throws fast. That does not guarantee him to be any good.

"Anyone doubting Sanchez's ability to pitch has not seen the guy pitch.Young lefties that throw mid-90s don't grow on trees."

Also, when you have 1, you baby them, take care of them and know you have the 1 thing that 9 of 10 other teams want, like a Lester or a CC.

Sanchez was great till he tired later in the season.

I think this is the year that everything clicks for him. Where he goes from being a average number 5 starter to something very very good.

Those that just look at stats like ERA won't see it coming but if you look deeper it won't be much of a shock.

If he's traded its most likely going to be a deal that comes back to bite the Giants in the butt.

Omar has to see if Sabean would take Ryan Church for Sanchez.

"Omar has to see if Sabean would take Ryan Church for Sanchez."

If Sabean did that, then that will be three straight offseasons of making ridiculously stupid, fire-worthy moves, which will hurt the team in the long term.

Seems like maybe they match up well with the Cardinals here. Maybe a deal centered around Sanchez for Ankiel. Give or take a prospect on either side.

Nevermind that, I just now read that he won't take a player that could be a free agent in '09; so scratch Ankiel.

"The Braves aren't going to use a valuble player like Kelly Johnson in order to get a younger pitcher. "

Martin Prado could easily replace Kelly Johnson. The Braves are a young, rebuilding team. They certainly don't need any old pitchers.

The Braves were heavily after Zack Greinke, who is the same age as Sanchez.

I dont't mean old picthers exactly I mean top of the Rotation guys. We've all ready got plent of young pitchers. But I will give you this though few of the Braves young starting pitchers that are good are south paws like Sanchez

Signing Edgar Renteria is not a good job. That's a catastrophe.

I also think Renteria will be a nice fit for San Fransisco

I'm not sure why the Giants don't just go out and pick up am Abreu, Dunn or Burrel but if they do decide to trade Sanchez for a bat then they should go BIG. How about:

Magglio Ordonez and Brandon Lidge

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Sanchez, Tim Alderson and a lesser prospect like Jesse English.

Giants get a proven power bat to sit in the #4 spot, maybe behind Sandoval. Inge can play 3rd. Maybe his offense comes back now that he's not catching (15-20 hrs).

Tigers need mlb ready pitching and Sanchez can slot in as a back of the rotation guy while Anderson coupled with Porcello gives the Tigers two high end pitching prospects.

You mean Brandon Inge, Yanksfan.

Okay wait Matsui is going into his walk yaer they had him in DH and not in OF my bad lol

You mean Mags and Brandon Inge Yanksfan? =P Because there aint no Brandon Lidge as far as I am aware hahaha.

Yanks fan...

Trading two young guys for two old guys is no longer in the Giants plans.

Alderson is a stud. Inge sucks! Maggs is good, but if he were 5 years younger..

"Martin Prado could easily replace Kelly Johnson."

Get real.

I know Alderson is a high-end pitching prospect but the Giants need a legitimate clean up hitter. Guys like EE, Cantu and Swisher are good complementary bats but not clean up hitters. YOu have to give up something great to get something great. Sanchez alone will not get you a top clean up hitter.

I know the Giants wouldn't be interested in Matsui but just for the point of saying it, he did say he would wave the no-trade to Frisco when the two teams were discussing a trade last year.

I agee Matsui will go nowhere. I also agree with the Prado thing. Some say he can take Kelly Johnson's place with ease but I think of Prado as a utility guy and not an everyday starter.

The Giants really can't afford to move Sanchez unless it's for a player of similar upside.

I really think that is the key to any Sanchez deal.

Sanchez may be 26 next season, but he still has the potential to be a top of the rotation lefty with dominant stuff.

If the Giants deal Sanchez, it needs to be for an offensive player with similar upside. They would need to get a guy with legitimate star potential in return for Sanchez.

One guy that I think would look great in San Francisco is Brandon Wood, although I'm not sure if the Angels would be willing to move him for Sanchez.

They just really need a guy that's MLB ready with middle of the order potential, to join Sandoval in that lineup.

"He's actually a bit like JoJo Reyes. Plenty of promise but hasn't shown he can consistently get big league hitters out."

I feel like the big difference between these two guys is sheer upside.

With Reyes, it seems like if he puts it together he could be a solid 2/3 starter.

With Sanchez, if he puts it all together, he's very likely an ace with his raw stuff.

"Anyone doubting Sanchez's ability to pitch has not seen the guy pitch.Young lefties that throw mid-90s don't grow on trees."

Also, when you have 1, you baby them, take care of them and know you have the 1 thing that 9 of 10 other teams want, like a Lester or a CC.

Posted by: johns | December 27, 2008 at 07:32 PM

WAIT. you didn't just compare Sanchez to CC or Lester did you??? haha. As has been said he has great stuff but a .10 cent head (WALKS). Let him have a year UNDER a 5 ERA and then come talk about what VALUE he has or does not have. And when you do, realize that Lester is a PROVEN winner and is 2 YEARS YOUNGER. Why not compare him to Hamels too?

Sanchez = Ollie Perez

Giants do have enough $$$ to sign Nady. But Nady has to WANT to stay.

Off the books after '09:

Winn - $8.5 mill
Johnson - $8 mill
Molina - $6 mill
Roberts - $6 mill
Howry - $2 mill

Also, with Holliday being a FA after '09...

YanksFan brings up a good point. I can't really see the yankees giving up a whole lot for a young pitcher right now. They already have Hughes and Kennedy under their wings...so idk

"Giants do have enough $$$ to sign Nady. But Nady has to WANT to stay."

Nady = Boras client.

ludwick maybe? not straight up, obviously, but i think mo and sabean could come up with something...

Suwanee,

No Ollie has at least proven himself over time. he is VERY inconsistent but has pitched well against the Phils, Yankees and Braves. Ollie's got 1000 innings at a run less ERA vs mainly better offensive competition while Sanchez has 250 innings and is ONLY a year younger. THey're both erratic. that's about the end of the comparison.

I can't see the Yankees getting rid of both Swisher and Nady myself. Who would play right for them?

"I can't see the Yankees getting rid of both Swisher and Nady myself. Who would play right for them?"

Damon. If the Yankees get rid of both Swisher and Nady, it means that Manny Ramirez is pretty much guaranteed in pinstripes, which makes the OF Manny-Melky/Gardner-Damon and Matsui DH.

Renteria is not a win now move...

At a 2yr contract, he is a stop-gap while Burriss/Noonan develop.

Giants actually have a decent farm system now, but they are a couple years away.

Prince = DH with a glove who is about to get expensive in arbitration. Go sign Pat Burrell or Adam Dunn to play 1B.
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So what if Prince is going to get expensive? All the non-expensive power bats are usually inexpensive because they aren't arbitration eligible yet. WHat team will give one of them up unless their getting a Cain or Bumgarner in return? And if you're going to watch a 1B butcher a ball then why not Fielder? Even after arb he'll still be cheaper than Burrel or Dunn probably. At least with Prince he might be willing to sign an extension and have a couple of his FA years bought out.

From the Brews perspective though, if they trade Prince for anything less than a proven pitcher (Cain) is that sending a signal that they don't see themselves as real contenders in 09 or 2010?

"I can't see the Yankees getting rid of both Swisher and Nady myself. Who would play right for them?"

Damon. If the Yankees get rid of both Swisher and Nady, it means that Manny Ramirez is pretty much guaranteed in pinstripes, which makes the OF Manny-Melky/Gardner-Damon and Matsui DH.
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There's no way in the world the Yanks would stick either Damon or Man-NY in right. If that were to happen then I think they would have to bring Abreu back and I can't see them being willing to spend that much money. It's moving further and further away from what Cash wanted to do in terms of getting more atheltic and younger. I really see it being Matsui and Nady the most likely to go. Then you stick Man-NY at DH and go with Damon-Melky/Gardner-Swisher in the OF. And then go after a corner in 2010.

why the NYY would be open to trading Nady is beyond me. Why would the NYY want such a defensive liability in the outfield. Surely AJ, & CC , Wang,etc will have fly ball outs in 2009
I guess if the Yanks want Manny,Damon and Melky in the field there are going to be a lot of "the throw was just off line" or "no one is fast enough to catch it, and one run comes in,and 2,"

"Sanchez is only one year older than Perez. Perez has been around longer because he broke in early (Pirates). His chance is dwindling especially with the prospects the Giants have coming soon."

Sanchez began his development later than Perez.

In this equation, although age is obviously a big deal, you need to consider that he didn't begin his pro career until he was already 21.

Sanchez really hasn't had that long to develop and 2007-2008 were his first legitimate shot in the majors.

If he doesn't show any improvement in 2009, then I think that you can really believe that he'll never become a stud. But I think 2009 could very well be a breakout season for Jonathan Sanchez.

Renteria is not a win now move...

At a 2yr contract, he is a stop-gap while Burriss/Noonan develop.

Giants actually have a decent farm system now, but they are a couple years away.
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So if the Giants aren't in a win now situation then I say trade Sanchez for power hitting prospects that are mlb ready then (ala Matt Laporta) you have time to develop your line-up. Obviously not him but someone like him.

Sanchez to the Indians for Ben Francisco and Andy Marte? Francisco (27) had a decent 1st season: .266/.332 w/ 15 hrs and 54 rbis in 447 at bats. Marte was a highly regarded prospect who bounced around but is still young (25).

I'll take back that Sanchez to the Indians for Francisco and Marte. I think you guys might think that's too little if you're asking for guys like Prince in return.