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Now that the San Francisco Giants have lefty veteran Randy Johnson locked up, they are willing to listen to offers involving Jonathan Sanchez. Chris Haft of MLB.com asked Giants general manager Brian Sabean about the possibility after signing Johnson.
From Haft:
"We're going to have to be open-minded," Sabean said, although he repeated that he wouldn't obtain a player who's eligible for free agency after 2009.
The Giants have been listed as one of the teams who might be a good trade partner with the New York Yankees for a corner outfielder, in particular Xavier Nady, but he doesn't meet Sabean's requirement regarding free agency. Nady's contract ends after the '09 season.
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Edwin Encaracion. I want this deal to happen badly.
Then the Reds can get Swisher from the Yankees and start Keppinger at 3B, and pray that Gonzalez is healthy. Which I highly doubt he is so they'll start all glove no stick Paul Janish instead.
Posted by: schellis | December 27, 2008 at 07:03 PM
I would LOVE it if the Braves could get him. Kelly Johnson and Gorkys Hernandez for Sanchez. That would seem fair for both teams.
Posted by: BravesAllTheWay | December 27, 2008 at 07:05 PM
would it be nady for sanchez straight up
Posted by: Cesar | December 27, 2008 at 07:10 PM
"I would LOVE it if the Braves could get him. Kelly Johnson and Gorkys Hernandez for Sanchez. That would seem fair for both teams."
Kelly Johnson alone, is worth more than him. If call 5.01 ERA in the NL West good, then someone needs glasses, because he'll have over a 6 ERA in the NL East. The only pitcher on the Giants that I want on the Braves is Cain, and maybe Wilson.
Posted by: BravesRockMySocks | December 27, 2008 at 07:13 PM
Blalock and Kiker for Sanchez.
Posted by: Tracy | December 27, 2008 at 07:15 PM
Nady is out - he's a FA at the end of '09.
And Sandoval seems to be the favorite for the 3B job, which would mean there's not much need for Encarnacion.
Swisher would seem to be a good fit for their LF/1B needs.
Posted by: dproc0219 | December 27, 2008 at 07:17 PM
If I was Sabean I would too, try to trade him. If he got Kelly Johnson + good prospect it would be great for Giants, but that won't happen.
Sanchez + something for Hardy perhaps? Brewers wouldnt bite, but worth a shot
Posted by: viktor06 | December 27, 2008 at 07:17 PM
Encarnacion isnt much of a 3B defensively - and in LF, his bat doesnt really play well. Not sure why would anyone give good talent for him. Or for Nady for that matter
Posted by: viktor06 | December 27, 2008 at 07:18 PM
There are so many reasons which Sanchez should not be traded.
1. You have Alderson and Bumgarner who have not pitched BEYOND A BALL. Hell, Bumgarner hasn't pitched beyond low level A ball, and Alderson Advanced A ball. Same goes for Pucetas and Sosa. Name one top prospect arm the Giants have that has pitched at AA or higher. I don't think either will be up until late 2010, if not 2011. The Giants do NOT have pitching depth for a few more years, and Barry Zito could very easily be relegated to Fresno/the pen by then. Or stuff happens with the other pitchers.
2. The big one. Trading Sanchez is an absolute sell low. Just because Sabean and Bochy were dumbas$es and wanted to go for it all in 06-07 with the "ace" they just bought in Zito and threw Sanchez in the pen and f-ck with his development, smart, smart idea.
Someone go look at Sanchez's K/BB, K/9, FIP, and tRA. All point to Sanchez putting up a much better season than the 5+ ERA he had in '08. So, the Giants would be selling Sanchez as a #4-5, but he had the peripherals of a #3, just ran into some bad luck (BABIP of .327). Since luck usually corrects itself (well, usually...), I strongly expect a #3 type performance from Sanchez.
Oh, and he was jerked around between relieving and starting in 2007, so this is his first full season in MLB starting. Of course he's going to be having a few problems, especially with fatigue/injury issues. Look at his 1st half stats(dominant) as opposed to his 2nd half stats(sucky). Definitely looks like the jump from relief to starting took its toll.
He finished the season off with an injury, if I'm right (Giants fans correct me if I'm wrong).
Posted by: melonis rex | December 27, 2008 at 07:19 PM
"I would LOVE it if the Braves could get him. Kelly Johnson and Gorkys Hernandez for Sanchez. That would seem fair for both teams."
That trade sucks for the Braves.
Posted by: FanOTheRumors2 | December 27, 2008 at 07:19 PM
EE is more OF/1B then 3B even if he hasn't played anywhere other then 3B.
Posted by: schellis | December 27, 2008 at 07:20 PM
Why would the yankees do nady for sanchez? nady was the only one that hit in big time spots last year. at the end of the year he was the only 1 that i trusted with risp.
and besides i rlly dont think the yankees have to move an outfielder, unless they get good postion player prospects in return. i mean whats so bad with haveing an extra out fielder, 1 of witch can play in 3 dif spots.
Posted by: James Alipo | December 27, 2008 at 07:21 PM
"Kelly Johnson alone, is worth more than him. If call 5.01 ERA in the NL West good, then someone needs glasses, because he'll have over a 6 ERA in the NL East. The only pitcher on the Giants that I want on the Braves is Cain, and maybe Wilson."
Sanchez is a very good YOUNG lefty starting pitcher. He is EXACTLY what the Braves need. Last year was his rookie season - not many pitchers are exactly stellar in their rookie year. KJ plus a prospect for him is not too much at all.
Posted by: BravesAllTheWay | December 27, 2008 at 07:22 PM
Anyone doubting Sanchez's ability to pitch has not seen the guy pitch.Young lefties that throw mid-90s don't grow on trees.
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 27, 2008 at 07:22 PM
Trading Sanchez is dumb. Pitching is scarce; bats are cheap. There's a ton of offensive talent still available.
Posted by: Will Smiff | December 27, 2008 at 07:23 PM
told you that randy make sanchez and cain more available. cantu for sanchez is dead i guess.
Posted by: marlinsman1120 | December 27, 2008 at 07:23 PM
Mark Teahen + Carlos Rosa?
Posted by: kyledavidson | December 27, 2008 at 07:24 PM
I do agree that the Giants don't have the ML depth to deal Sanchez, but they also have a horrible offense and need a boost somewhere. If they're going to throw their money at 40+ HOF pitchers instead of a slugging OF they'll have to get it another way.
Sanchez gets a ton of swing and misses and I agree that he's due a big 09. he could easily end the year as the Giants number 3 man...or be worthy of a number 2 or even 1 on a non-Lincecum/Cain led staff.
Posted by: schellis | December 27, 2008 at 07:24 PM
"EE is more OF/1B then 3B even if he hasn't played anywhere other then 3B."
Not then, than. Than! Than! Than 3B. Jesus Christ! Then and than are two different words with different meanings.
Posted by: MickS | December 27, 2008 at 07:24 PM
"Anyone doubting Sanchez's ability to pitch has not seen the guy pitch.Young lefties that throw mid-90s don't grow on trees."
Exactly!!
Posted by: BravesAllTheWay | December 27, 2008 at 07:24 PM
Sanchez has a career 5.18 major league ERA and has control problems: walking 75 batters in 158 innings this past season.
He needs to show something in the majors before anyone trades anything of value for him. I don't care if he is left handed and throws fast. That does not guarantee him to be any good.
Posted by: FanOTheRumors2 | December 27, 2008 at 07:29 PM
How about Kris Medlen and Cody Johnson?
Posted by: BravesRockMySocks | December 27, 2008 at 07:31 PM
"Anyone doubting Sanchez's ability to pitch has not seen the guy pitch.Young lefties that throw mid-90s don't grow on trees."
Also, when you have 1, you baby them, take care of them and know you have the 1 thing that 9 of 10 other teams want, like a Lester or a CC.
Posted by: johns | December 27, 2008 at 07:32 PM
MickS this is a baseball rumors board. If you want to teach English perhaps you should go to englishteachers.com
I'm sorry that I don't go over my post with a fine tooth comb to make sure that I've dotted every I and crossed every T or that my grammer is positively correct in every way.
If a minor error like that sets you off perhaps you should stay off the internet.
Posted by: schellis | December 27, 2008 at 07:33 PM
Sanchez was great till he tired later in the season.
I think this is the year that everything clicks for him. Where he goes from being a average number 5 starter to something very very good.
Those that just look at stats like ERA won't see it coming but if you look deeper it won't be much of a shock.
If he's traded its most likely going to be a deal that comes back to bite the Giants in the butt.
Posted by: schellis | December 27, 2008 at 07:36 PM
schellis, you make the same stupid errors over and over again. They aren't typos. They are a product of utter ignorance.
Posted by: MickS | December 27, 2008 at 07:37 PM
Omar has to see if Sabean would take Ryan Church for Sanchez.
Posted by: Les Gomez | December 27, 2008 at 07:39 PM
Les Gomez, The Giants already have a full OF, they need corner infielders. So try someone more like Daniel Murphy.
Posted by: mtzxc | December 27, 2008 at 07:44 PM
"Omar has to see if Sabean would take Ryan Church for Sanchez."
If Sabean did that, then that will be three straight offseasons of making ridiculously stupid, fire-worthy moves, which will hurt the team in the long term.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 27, 2008 at 07:44 PM
The Braves aren't going to use a valuble player like Kelly Johnson in order to get a younger pitcher. The Braves are looking for a pitcher who could be like a two or 3 in a rotation. Although Sanchez could be that type of pitcher one day, but not today. I think the Yankees could make a deal like this though. Nady for him straight up sounds fair considering Nady is in his walk year. Then Swisher goes to the Braves and everyones happy.
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 07:48 PM
Seems like maybe they match up well with the Cardinals here. Maybe a deal centered around Sanchez for Ankiel. Give or take a prospect on either side.
Posted by: catch212 | December 27, 2008 at 07:49 PM
Sabean is a moron if he makes this trade. Then again, Sabean has already established his credentials as a moron.
Posted by: midtown | December 27, 2008 at 07:49 PM
Nevermind that, I just now read that he won't take a player that could be a free agent in '09; so scratch Ankiel.
Posted by: catch212 | December 27, 2008 at 07:51 PM
A power lefty reliever that got tired at the end of the year. Can anyone say yankee's setup man
Posted by: Cesar | December 27, 2008 at 07:54 PM
"The Braves aren't going to use a valuble player like Kelly Johnson in order to get a younger pitcher. "
Martin Prado could easily replace Kelly Johnson. The Braves are a young, rebuilding team. They certainly don't need any old pitchers.
Posted by: BravesAllTheWay | December 27, 2008 at 07:56 PM
O didn't see the thing where Sabean doesn't want someone in his walk year so cancel that for the Giants. So Swisher or Matsui then...
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 07:57 PM
The Braves were heavily after Zack Greinke, who is the same age as Sanchez.
Posted by: BravesAllTheWay | December 27, 2008 at 07:57 PM
"The Braves were heavily after Zack Greinke, who is the same age as Sanchez."
He proved he can pitch in the majors. What has Sanchez proved?
Posted by: BravesRockMySocks | December 27, 2008 at 07:59 PM
I dont't mean old picthers exactly I mean top of the Rotation guys. We've all ready got plent of young pitchers. But I will give you this though few of the Braves young starting pitchers that are good are south paws like Sanchez
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 07:59 PM
midtown, I don't know what offseason you have been paying attention to, Saeban has done a great job this offseason, one of the better ones so far.
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 27, 2008 at 08:00 PM
Signing Edgar Renteria is not a good job. That's a catastrophe.
Posted by: Will Smiff | December 27, 2008 at 08:01 PM
Exactly I mean proven pitchers. Like a Greinke or Malholm...
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:01 PM
I also think Renteria will be a nice fit for San Fransisco
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:02 PM
BravoMan you must be having a bad day. Matsui is in a walk year it's Damon or Swisher. No disrespect
Posted by: Cesar | December 27, 2008 at 08:08 PM
I'm not sure why the Giants don't just go out and pick up am Abreu, Dunn or Burrel but if they do decide to trade Sanchez for a bat then they should go BIG. How about:
Magglio Ordonez and Brandon Lidge
for
Sanchez, Tim Alderson and a lesser prospect like Jesse English.
Giants get a proven power bat to sit in the #4 spot, maybe behind Sandoval. Inge can play 3rd. Maybe his offense comes back now that he's not catching (15-20 hrs).
Tigers need mlb ready pitching and Sanchez can slot in as a back of the rotation guy while Anderson coupled with Porcello gives the Tigers two high end pitching prospects.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 08:10 PM
Nady's in his walk year and the Yankees have already stated that they don't want to trade Damon. And Neither Matsui nor Swisher are going into their walk years...try to keep up Cesar. And im having a great day lol
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:13 PM
You mean Brandon Inge, Yanksfan.
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 27, 2008 at 08:14 PM
Check the 2010 Free Agents, Matsui IS in a walk year.
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 27, 2008 at 08:15 PM
Okay wait Matsui is going into his walk yaer they had him in DH and not in OF my bad lol
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:15 PM
So who could satisfy the Giants then for Sanchez to the Yanks? Swisher?
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:18 PM
You mean Mags and Brandon Inge Yanksfan? =P Because there aint no Brandon Lidge as far as I am aware hahaha.
Posted by: MrBlake14 | December 27, 2008 at 08:19 PM
Swisher/Horne or someother mid-level prospect would probably get it done.
Posted by: B3NG4L | December 27, 2008 at 08:20 PM
Yanks fan...
Trading two young guys for two old guys is no longer in the Giants plans.
Alderson is a stud. Inge sucks! Maggs is good, but if he were 5 years younger..
Posted by: 55saveslives | December 27, 2008 at 08:22 PM
MY bad...I've had a few Vodka infused egg nogs. Brandon Inge. Also, both Matsui and Nady are FA next year and the Yanks really don't need to trade for another SP. The 5 spot will go to Pettitte or an open comp between HUghes, Aceves or Kennedy.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 08:23 PM
"Martin Prado could easily replace Kelly Johnson."
Get real.
Posted by: FanOTheRumors2 | December 27, 2008 at 08:23 PM
NOBODY is going to take Matsui..
Old / Injured / NO TRADE CLAUSE.
Posted by: 55saveslives | December 27, 2008 at 08:23 PM
I know Alderson is a high-end pitching prospect but the Giants need a legitimate clean up hitter. Guys like EE, Cantu and Swisher are good complementary bats but not clean up hitters. YOu have to give up something great to get something great. Sanchez alone will not get you a top clean up hitter.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 08:26 PM
Kelly for Sanchez straight up is fair. then atlanta goes after an outfielder.
Posted by: Suwanee | December 27, 2008 at 08:29 PM
I know the Giants wouldn't be interested in Matsui but just for the point of saying it, he did say he would wave the no-trade to Frisco when the two teams were discussing a trade last year.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 08:29 PM
If they are going to trade someone like Alderson, then they better go set the bar higher and look at Prince..
Sanchez / Alderson / Ishikawa maybe?
Posted by: 55saveslives | December 27, 2008 at 08:29 PM
I agee Matsui will go nowhere. I also agree with the Prado thing. Some say he can take Kelly Johnson's place with ease but I think of Prado as a utility guy and not an everyday starter.
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:31 PM
Sanchez: Great WHIP in the minors, awful in the majors. Strikeout per inning in the majors. A lot of potential.
He's actually a bit like JoJo Reyes. Plenty of promise but hasn't shown he can consistently get big league hitters out.
I think BravoMan's right, however. The Braves would prefer to get a proven major leaguer in a trade -- someone they can rely on right away -- rather than a prospect.
Posted by: ink-stained scribe | December 27, 2008 at 08:31 PM
The Giants really can't afford to move Sanchez unless it's for a player of similar upside.
I really think that is the key to any Sanchez deal.
Sanchez may be 26 next season, but he still has the potential to be a top of the rotation lefty with dominant stuff.
If the Giants deal Sanchez, it needs to be for an offensive player with similar upside. They would need to get a guy with legitimate star potential in return for Sanchez.
One guy that I think would look great in San Francisco is Brandon Wood, although I'm not sure if the Angels would be willing to move him for Sanchez.
They just really need a guy that's MLB ready with middle of the order potential, to join Sandoval in that lineup.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 27, 2008 at 08:36 PM
Would the Giants have enough dough next year to resign Nady. He'd be a keeper id say if they were to trade for him.
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:36 PM
"He's actually a bit like JoJo Reyes. Plenty of promise but hasn't shown he can consistently get big league hitters out."
I feel like the big difference between these two guys is sheer upside.
With Reyes, it seems like if he puts it together he could be a solid 2/3 starter.
With Sanchez, if he puts it all together, he's very likely an ace with his raw stuff.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 27, 2008 at 08:39 PM
yanksfan- NO NO and NO on the tigers trade idea.
and to all of you who like a EE for Sanchez trade - NO
Personally I think if we wanted swisher we could trade for him without giving up sanchez.
I think Sanchez will show up this year, and THEN we should look into trades when his value his higher and our young studs are knocking on the big league door.
Posted by: Leland11 | December 27, 2008 at 08:40 PM
"Anyone doubting Sanchez's ability to pitch has not seen the guy pitch.Young lefties that throw mid-90s don't grow on trees."
Also, when you have 1, you baby them, take care of them and know you have the 1 thing that 9 of 10 other teams want, like a Lester or a CC.
Posted by: johns | December 27, 2008 at 07:32 PM
WAIT. you didn't just compare Sanchez to CC or Lester did you??? haha. As has been said he has great stuff but a .10 cent head (WALKS). Let him have a year UNDER a 5 ERA and then come talk about what VALUE he has or does not have. And when you do, realize that Lester is a PROVEN winner and is 2 YEARS YOUNGER. Why not compare him to Hamels too?
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 27, 2008 at 08:40 PM
I think a team would take a chance on Matsui but it would have to be an AL team. He had knee surgery on one knee in 06 and came back to hit .285/.367 w/ 25 hrs and 103 rbis. Then his 08 surgery was on the opposite knee. I think he'll be ready in 09 but I can't see him in LF anymore, he was barely adequate with 2 healthy knees.
I know the Giants are looking for a power bat, under control for a few years probably younger than 31-32 but those guys are few and far in between as far as availability w/o giving up something of value in return. Sanchez alone doesn't get you what you need. No one's trading a power bat under control for a "project" pitcher I don't care how good the peripherals are? How could any GM sell that idea to it's fans? If the Brews trade Prince it has to be for a proven pitcher like Cain. So if you want a big proven young bat then you MUST package Sanchez with a prospect. Who are you willing to give up?
I know Bumgarner and Posey are probably untouchable but who else?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Sanchez = Ollie Perez
Posted by: Suwanee | December 27, 2008 at 08:43 PM
Again..why would the Yanks want Sanchez? A 5th starter is not high on our list of priorities. We do need young OF and SS prospects though.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 08:46 PM
Giants do have enough $$$ to sign Nady. But Nady has to WANT to stay.
Off the books after '09:
Winn - $8.5 mill
Johnson - $8 mill
Molina - $6 mill
Roberts - $6 mill
Howry - $2 mill
Posted by: 55saveslives | December 27, 2008 at 08:48 PM
And really, Nady and Swisher are both good bats, but the Giants need a clear cut 30hr 100 rbi .285/.380 bat as their #4 and Nady and Swisher, as much as I like them for the Yanks, are not those kind of hitters that you build a line up around. So even if you get Swisher, you would still need another bigger bat.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 08:49 PM
Also, with Holliday being a FA after '09...
Posted by: 55saveslives | December 27, 2008 at 08:49 PM
"Les Gomez, The Giants already have a full OF, they need corner infielders. So try someone more like Daniel Murphy."
That fits with my line of thinking from a Mets perspective, and it looks like an interesting match for the Giants. The Mets could then still afford Lowe, they'd get a viable power-lefty replacement without overspending and collect the draft picks on Perez, Niese becomes depth rather than your #5 starter, and you still probably have $7-10 million left to spend on one of the many corner OFers left on the FA market.
As for the Giants, Murphy and a lower level prospect would be a nice return for Sanchez. Murphy becomes the 3B and a guy who you can probably slot into your batting order anywhere except leadoff. Sandoval moves to 1B. With Murphy in there to go with Sandoval, Renteria and Rowand you might have some sort of semblance of a viable middle of a lineup. Maybe the Mets send someone like Zach Lutz too, another corner infielder with more risk involved but a higher power ceiling, and a more advanced low-ceiling pitcher like Dillon Gee to bridge the gap to some of the Giants high powered A-ball arms.
Posted by: MEddler | December 27, 2008 at 08:49 PM
YanksFan brings up a good point. I can't really see the yankees giving up a whole lot for a young pitcher right now. They already have Hughes and Kennedy under their wings...so idk
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:49 PM
"If they are going to trade someone like Alderson, then they better go set the bar higher and look at Prince..
Sanchez / Alderson / Ishikawa maybe?"
No.
Prince = DH with a glove who is about to get expensive in arbitration. Go sign Pat Burrell or Adam Dunn to play 1B.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 27, 2008 at 08:49 PM
"Giants do have enough $$$ to sign Nady. But Nady has to WANT to stay."
Nady = Boras client.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 27, 2008 at 08:50 PM
matsui is going nowhere. he has an huge fan base and bring in alot of revenue for the yanks. always why would the giants be interest he almost out of his prime, and his number are inflated by being in a loaded lineup.
Posted by: marlinsman1120 | December 27, 2008 at 08:50 PM
ludwick maybe? not straight up, obviously, but i think mo and sabean could come up with something...
Posted by: MVPujols | December 27, 2008 at 08:51 PM
55saveslives, you throw enough money at anyone and they'll stay lol jst kidding
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:51 PM
Suwanee,
No Ollie has at least proven himself over time. he is VERY inconsistent but has pitched well against the Phils, Yankees and Braves. Ollie's got 1000 innings at a run less ERA vs mainly better offensive competition while Sanchez has 250 innings and is ONLY a year younger. THey're both erratic. that's about the end of the comparison.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 27, 2008 at 08:51 PM
The Giants are sort in between in a since. They sign Renteria which might indicate they're trying to win now. Is that the case? If so then why not grab a couple of FA bats? Abreu, Dunn, Burrel and Griffey wouldn't cost you a pick or anything.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 08:53 PM
I can't see the Yankees getting rid of both Swisher and Nady myself. Who would play right for them?
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:53 PM
"Sanchez = Ollie Perez"
I feel like this is Sanchez's worse case scenario.
At this point, he's probably about as good as Perez, when considering their peripherals and such.
Perez is similar to Sanchez in that their both big time power lefties with a bit of a control issue, but Sanchez still has time to fix the issue.
With Perez, you kind of already know what you have: a guy who can dominate one start and blow up the next. Sanchez still has a chance to become more than that, if he can develop better command and consistency.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 27, 2008 at 08:54 PM
"I can't see the Yankees getting rid of both Swisher and Nady myself. Who would play right for them?"
Damon. If the Yankees get rid of both Swisher and Nady, it means that Manny Ramirez is pretty much guaranteed in pinstripes, which makes the OF Manny-Melky/Gardner-Damon and Matsui DH.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 27, 2008 at 08:56 PM
Like scribbletone said, Sanchez would have to develope and I dont want two Jo Jo Reyes on my ballclub. I can only handle one.
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:56 PM
Renteria is not a win now move...
At a 2yr contract, he is a stop-gap while Burriss/Noonan develop.
Giants actually have a decent farm system now, but they are a couple years away.
Posted by: 55saveslives | December 27, 2008 at 08:56 PM
Manny and Damon...crappy defence...Damon doesnt cover as much ground as he used to and Manny...nuff said.
Posted by: BravoMan | December 27, 2008 at 08:58 PM
Prince = DH with a glove who is about to get expensive in arbitration. Go sign Pat Burrell or Adam Dunn to play 1B.
)))))))))))))))))
So what if Prince is going to get expensive? All the non-expensive power bats are usually inexpensive because they aren't arbitration eligible yet. WHat team will give one of them up unless their getting a Cain or Bumgarner in return? And if you're going to watch a 1B butcher a ball then why not Fielder? Even after arb he'll still be cheaper than Burrel or Dunn probably. At least with Prince he might be willing to sign an extension and have a couple of his FA years bought out.
From the Brews perspective though, if they trade Prince for anything less than a proven pitcher (Cain) is that sending a signal that they don't see themselves as real contenders in 09 or 2010?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 08:59 PM
YFS78-
My point was that Prince is a DH who is wearing a glove because he has to. He's a negative defensively, although he is a great hitter. If the Giants want a no glove, all hit 1Bman, spend the extra cash and sign Adam Dunn or Pat Burrell or Jason Giambi and keep the prospects. There is no reason to give up valuable assets for an arb-eligible Prince in a buyer's market (overflow of DH types) when you can go sign one in free agency.
That being said, Sanchez/Alderson/Ishikawa is a fair package for Prince Fielder, assuming that the Giants are going to be selling low on Sanchez (which they shouldn't do).
Cain for Prince Fielder is an absolute steal for the Brewers.
Posted by: melonis rex | December 27, 2008 at 09:04 PM
"I can't see the Yankees getting rid of both Swisher and Nady myself. Who would play right for them?"
Damon. If the Yankees get rid of both Swisher and Nady, it means that Manny Ramirez is pretty much guaranteed in pinstripes, which makes the OF Manny-Melky/Gardner-Damon and Matsui DH.
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There's no way in the world the Yanks would stick either Damon or Man-NY in right. If that were to happen then I think they would have to bring Abreu back and I can't see them being willing to spend that much money. It's moving further and further away from what Cash wanted to do in terms of getting more atheltic and younger. I really see it being Matsui and Nady the most likely to go. Then you stick Man-NY at DH and go with Damon-Melky/Gardner-Swisher in the OF. And then go after a corner in 2010.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 09:09 PM
scribbletone,
Sanchez is only one year older than Perez. Perez has been around longer because he broke in early (Pirates). His chance is dwindling especially with the prospects the Giants have coming soon.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 27, 2008 at 09:10 PM
why the NYY would be open to trading Nady is beyond me. Why would the NYY want such a defensive liability in the outfield. Surely AJ, & CC , Wang,etc will have fly ball outs in 2009
I guess if the Yanks want Manny,Damon and Melky in the field there are going to be a lot of "the throw was just off line" or "no one is fast enough to catch it, and one run comes in,and 2,"
Posted by: TripleHHH | December 27, 2008 at 09:16 PM
yankfansince-
cantu batted 3rd or 4th for the whole year. and was productive, he a good cleanup hitter too, good RISP, clutch, and rbi machine
and none of the BS that he had one good year! he get into shape last spring and he still motivated to do better, so he not going to tank next year.
Posted by: marlinsman1120 | December 27, 2008 at 09:17 PM
"Sanchez is only one year older than Perez. Perez has been around longer because he broke in early (Pirates). His chance is dwindling especially with the prospects the Giants have coming soon."
Sanchez began his development later than Perez.
In this equation, although age is obviously a big deal, you need to consider that he didn't begin his pro career until he was already 21.
Sanchez really hasn't had that long to develop and 2007-2008 were his first legitimate shot in the majors.
If he doesn't show any improvement in 2009, then I think that you can really believe that he'll never become a stud. But I think 2009 could very well be a breakout season for Jonathan Sanchez.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 27, 2008 at 09:18 PM
"cantu batted 3rd or 4th for the whole year. and was productive, he a good cleanup hitter too, good RISP, clutch, and rbi machine
and none of the BS that he had one good year! he get into shape last spring and he still motivated to do better, so he not going to tank next year."
The big issue with Cantu is plate discipline.
The guy simply never takes any walks, and even if he has legitimate 30+ HR power, his lack of an ability to hold off on pitches on the black kills his talents.
He was a reasonably solid hitter last season, but he's a really poor defensive player, even at third and first, and when you only get on base at a .320ish clip, that makes him a poor player.
If you can only get on at a .320 clip while playing below average defense at first or third, then unless you're hitting 40+ HR, you're not a very good player.
Posted by: scribbletone | December 27, 2008 at 09:23 PM
Renteria is not a win now move...
At a 2yr contract, he is a stop-gap while Burriss/Noonan develop.
Giants actually have a decent farm system now, but they are a couple years away.
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So if the Giants aren't in a win now situation then I say trade Sanchez for power hitting prospects that are mlb ready then (ala Matt Laporta) you have time to develop your line-up. Obviously not him but someone like him.
Sanchez to the Indians for Ben Francisco and Andy Marte? Francisco (27) had a decent 1st season: .266/.332 w/ 15 hrs and 54 rbis in 447 at bats. Marte was a highly regarded prospect who bounced around but is still young (25).
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 09:26 PM
yankfansince-
cantu batted 3rd or 4th for the whole year. and was productive, he a good cleanup hitter too, good RISP, clutch, and rbi machine
and none of the BS that he had one good year! he get into shape last spring and he still motivated to do better, so he not going to tank next year.
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No dude. I like Cantu and most people forget that he's still pretty young @ 27. But the Giants need a legitimate #4 hitter and he isn't it.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 09:30 PM
I'll take back that Sanchez to the Indians for Francisco and Marte. I think you guys might think that's too little if you're asking for guys like Prince in return.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | December 27, 2008 at 09:39 PM
If Sanchez has a 5.00+ ERA in the NL West, imagine what it'll be in the AL Beast. I mean, the Yanks would get their #5 starter and back him up with tremendous run support and maybe the Giants get another bat for the offense, but I'm just surprised he has any trade value now.
Sanchez + low prospect for Uggla?
Also, why aren't the Giants in the mix for Giambi? Yeah, his D is atrocious, but he still has pop in the bat and he'd fill a need.
Posted by: DCSportsGuy | December 27, 2008 at 09:46 PM