Jake Peavy Rumors: Thursday

"Well you're gonna need it!"

Seriously though, I hope the Cubs get this done today.

It seems unlikely DeRosa is dealt in any deal not involving Peavy. He seems like Hendry's concession to keep Marshall. It also makes the Peavy deal a basic wash as far as money goes. It is hard to tell which way this deal goes at this point. Hopefully it is decided sooner rather than later for all involved.

why should we trade vitters? hes the cubs number 1 prospect, and hes only 19-20 years old. trade aramis and his big contract for figgins. vitters is about 2-3 years from being mlb ready. in 2-3 years aramis wont be putting up numbers he is now for sure. if we keep derosa let him finish out the last year of his contract, throw figgins at third, fontenot at second. Josh Vitters has so much raw power its not even funny. the kid is 19 years old with so many years to develop and all we get in return is 1-2 players for unloading our farm system? even though it could possibly be the best rotation but no doubt dempster wont have a seaons like last season, and with big z being a head case he may not be as productive either.

No one said Vitters is the only piece, just an essential piece. He is the only way this deal gets done. Even with the pitching that would come with the DeRosa deal, its not enough to get a front line starter and he is the only piece in the Cubs system valuable enough to make it happen.

As for Figgins, that is a pipe dream if I ever saw one. Even if his value went down slightly from last year, the Cubs still don't have the pieces to get him without giving up a top player (Ramierez, Lee, or Marmol). Highly unlikely, but nice to ask, I guess.

Dan,
The Cubs and Hendry care about one thing at that is winning the whole thing, if not this year then next. They have no concern currently for 2011 or 2012. That is why Vitters is available. Pure and simple.

Plus your last two points argue even more for getting Peavy. You are saying Dempster will be worse and Z is a head case - agree so go get a front line starter to pick up their slack.

Very good points, but i honestly don't think big z will be helping the cubs. I'm a die hard cubs fan, but just the fact that hes very inconsistent, and has a temper. What would you think about a possible trade for figgins and maybe howie kendrick if the cubs offered Lee, aramis, and big z? They could have alot more money, and maybe pursue a.j. burnett, and derek lowe? I understand it would never happen but what are your opinions?

I meant 2 years sorry. All those deals expire after the 2010 season.

Wow, that is insane. First that is a ton of money for the angels to pick up with us taking basically none back. Not going to happen. Second, that deal totally throws away this year. As stated before, Hendry and the Cubs are trying to win now and depite chocking in the playoffs they did win 97 games last year. Third, you get so much more in the way of prospects if you were to trade all three individually. Forth, Hoffpauir is NOT an everyday player. He is a career minor league player that will be helpful off the bench. period.

I dont know what to feel...anybody else feel like this? But yes, today will be the MAIN DAY!!

The cubs would be selling low on Lee and theres no point to do that. People get all worked up because hes the 3 hitter so it makes it seem like hes under performing, but he still produces well for 5-6 in the order, its not his fault he bats 3. He gets onbase and at times can hit it out of the ballpark, there arent many guys id take over him for just 2 years. Hes probably a top 10 1B over the next 2 years if you include defense.

Well i could careless about the regular season. I mean i understand you need those numbers to get there but both Aramis, and Lee have both chocked in the playoffs in the past 2 years. I mean the playoffs in 07 may have been a fluke. But the playoffs in 08 for the cubs showed both Lee, and Aramis both cannont perform under pressure, while neither can big z. But its not all about the regular season its all about what happens when you get to the playoffs. And i honestly think Hoffpauir will develop into a every day player. Once Lees contract is up in 2 years. I say keep let him be gone, and let micah start at first. I mean if worst comes to worst we still have Jason Dubois who played with the cubs from 01-05 bouncing from Triple A to the Majors and until last year he played for the indians. He was drafted by the cubs in 01 and had a great season this year for Triple A in only 76 games he hit 25 homeruns with a .307 batting average and a .399 obp percentage in 238 at bats with only 60 ks.

If Lee hit .545 in the playoffs did that include all of those rally and inning ending double plays he hits into? He killed the cubs this year? But regardless about lee what about aramis my point was not to even get rid of Vitters. He will be even better then aramis, less lazy and more versatile.

Well as for aramis post season performance he only hit a whopping .182

Anyone that starts the statement "i could care less about the regular season" should probably just quit being a baseball fan. Seriously? What are you, flavor of the month?

Where are you getting the lazy aramis stuff? Did you actually watch a game this year? Aramis is in the best shape of his life, one of the best two strike hitters, in my opinion, in the league, played close to gold glove caliber defense (although his past stigma of playing bad defense is haunting him, just as it did Troy Glaus this year).

instead of saying what your friends say or what sounds cool or your random opinion, start looking things up on your own. Support things with stats that arent BA or wins. THings like ERA+, OPS, etc. Moreover, quit perpetuating the whiny cubs fan stereotype... you're ruinign it for the rest of us.

Nice Job dberry

Yeah your right lets forget what Aramis has done in his career and judge him on 6 games.

And stop with the Zambrano choking talk, he pitches well in big games, and always has. Unless you count opening day as a big games, and if you do this convo is over. He goes through cold streaks yes, but hes young, gives you 200 innings every year, and when hes on, which is most of the times, hes a top 10 pitcher in baseball. As for Lee, hes far better than Hoffpauir, and thats all that really matters, he gives us the best chances to win over the next two seasons, and after that we will sign or trade for someone.
And just get off aramis, hes one of the best 3rd basemen in baseball and no 6 game sample size will prove that wrong. Hey i think in 1960 Micky Mantle went 0-10 at one point, man that guy sucks.

This still seems a little fishy to me... what happened to the orioles in all this... and i thought last year the orioles wanted pie and we said no. but now we are going to give him up for peavy and orioles disapear???? i would like chone or roberts as a suitable replacement but probably wont happen.

and why arent we trying to get abreu while we can.. He is the only one of three players to hit 100+ RBIs in the last six years and one of the others is A-rod.... plus he still can steal 20+ bases him plus roberts would take a lot of pressure off theriot to steal and improve his numbers as well..

We are not going after Abreu because he is 36, declining in his older years, and would be a mess playing with the brick walls in Wrigley. Might he be alright, yeah maybe, but he is as risky as any other option.

Because Abreu wants more money, more years and is the horrible in RF. As a DH he would be good even though he doesnt supply the power anymore, but when you have to consider defense hes not worth the money and the years he wants.

Bruce Levine said on ESPN radio that the Pads would get Marquis for around 4-5 million, and then turn around and trade him for a young player. Sounds like a good plan. In that case whoever takes Marquis would only have to pay 2-3 million most likely and lets be honest hes not that bad.

well at 36.. we only need him for maybe 2 years and he stole more bases than soriano, fukudome, lee, and derosa. the latter three almost combined. and still had 100RBIs which is more than everyone except rameriez. i just dont see bradley being able to control his temper.. they barely have enough room in the dugout to avoid Z's tantrums..imagine both of them having a bad game....ha

Yeah i think its basically done to from the way Towers and Hendry have been talking. Its just about waiting for the rule 5 draft and some minor haggling over players and how much of the salary for Marquis the cubs are paying. I say just pay the 5 million and get it over with (easy to say when its not my 5 million). I bet cub fans around the world could raise 9 million to get marquis out of town!!! Lets all throw in a dollar and convince hendry to do it.

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i guess any of them will be good enough in the line up... we didnt really expect derosa to what he did last year anyways and we will need someone at least comparable in stats to replace his numbers.... so in that regard lets get peavy already... ahhhh

"So, from all I've read, I think it's a done deal:

Padres give Peavy
Cubs give Vitters, DeRosa, Hart, Marquis, Cash
Phillies give Kendrick, Coste

Padres get Vitters, Kendrick, Hart, Marquis, Coste, Cash
Cubs get Peavy

The only real loser is the Padres, but that's to be expected.
Phillies get DeRosa"

You don't understand much about trading, do you?

Why would SD do that? The only real valuable piece they'd get is Vitters.

To get Peavy, it's going to take Vitters, 2 starting pitchers and then some.

If Baltimore is involved, I think you're looking at Vitters, Olson, Carrasco or Happ, a second Philly prospect (maybe Donald) and another Cubs prospect/player (maybe Hart).

If Baltimore isn't involved, I'd say the same deal except Marshall instead of Olson.

I guess it depends whether the Cubs prefer to keep Pie or Marshall.

And I don't know what you were trying to imply with the "that's to be expected" part, but I don't think I want to lower myself to that level.

I do know that I'll go on with my day in 80 degree weather in one of America's finest cities while you enjoy Chicago.

Oh, just as a reminder, we do suck, but how many more WS titles have you guys won in the last 100 years? I'll give you a hint: it's less than one. Can you figure it out?

I hope you realize that the goal for the cubs organization is to WIN NOW not in 4 years. Peavy helps NOW and Vitters COULD help in the future. I cant even believe you can say that you could care less about Peavy when you say and i quote "Josh Vitters is POSSIBLY the star of the cubs in the next 4 years" Im pretty sure Peavy is an Established Cy Young winner Pitcher. What has Vitters done? nothing yet. So my friend to say what you did is complete bs.

"josh vitters is possibly the star of the cubs in the next 4 years. "

You just hit the nail on the head. Vitters is "possibly" the star of the future. As was Patterson, Pie, Guzman, Cruz, Colvin, Ceda, etc..... Point being, propsects are just unproven players that typically never amount to more then just average MLB players. And when talking about Cub prospects they almost never amount to even that. We have ARAM and he still has a few good years left. If vitters helps us get what we need to improve our chances of getting back to the post-season and possibly winning a few games YOU DO IT.

I no there is no chance...I was just bored

"Of the O's players to target, Roberts would be behind Luke Scott. Roberts is better, but Scott is much cheaper and a better fit given the Cubs' quest for a RFer."

Luke Scott is not what the Cubs are looking for. They want an everyday rightfielder, not a platoon guy like Scott.

Think of it this way: There are only two real differences in our offers:

I'm saying the Phils will give Kendrick/Happ plus Coste/low-level prospect. You're saying they give Carrasco/Happ plus Donald/top prospect. Carrasco and Donald for DeRosa? I think you're wrong on this.

I'm saying the Cubs give Vitters, DeRosa, Hart, Marquis. You're saying they give Vitters, DeRosa, Hart, Marshall/Pie. You may be right on this, but people are saying that Marquis may be in the deal, so you have to consider it.

1. Carrasco + Donald for DeRosa is ridiculous. Anything Carrasco for DeRosa is ridiculous.

2. A's? I really don't think so, unless they're planning to play him at 1B, and move him to 3B when Chavez goes on the DL again.

What do the A's have to do with any of this?

Anyone who thinks the Phillies are going to trade Carrasco & Donald for DeRosa is crazy

They wouldn't trade them last July for 1.5 years of Matt Holliday, who would they trade them now for 1 year of DeRosa?

and the saga continues.................

damn peavy deal is dead close the thread!

"The Cubs pulled out." That's what she said.

I hope they just go sign Abreu or Furcal and be done with it. I can't take much more of this rumoring.

Padres didn't pull out, Cubs did. Not like they had squat that was worth it anyway. Jim Hendry's a timid little fool at best, but its his loss. No complaints as a Padre fan keeping Peavy

hahahahaha nice.

Towers needs to call up Wren to make this deal happen since the Braves probably wont sign Burnett.

"Towers needs to call up Wren to make this deal happen since the Braves probably wont sign Burnett."

That's a good point. I could see this all going back to Atlanta now again if Burnett does go to the Yankees.

Cubs go get Manny!!! lol

As a Padres fan, no complaints that the deal did not work out I would rather keep Peavy then get a bunch of marginal guys and one solid prospect.

Haha. If Towers comes back to the Braves he can forget about Yunel. He isn't getting nearly the package he originally wanted.

This is off the subject but has anyone thought about Peavy's hitting prowess? With Carlos "I'm the only switch hitter on the team" Zambrano and Dempster who puts down every sac bunt, and Lilly who has a terrible swing, but a nack for getting RBI's, Peavy would fit right in. Too bad we would have to get rid of Jason "Boom Boom" Marquis though...obviously just kidding.

Now that this is over...

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I really would like to see the Braves get Peavy. But Im not getting my hopes up. And remember, Peavy has to OK the trade to ATL as well.

"Tim, Any Rumors the Cardinals are still interested in Peavy? That'd be a good move for them to make now that the cubbies are out."

Cardinals makes more sense than anyone out there in terms of matching up players. Would they be willing to move Rasmus? I would think a package of Rasmus and Anderson would get it done for the Padres, or perhaps Jess Todd thrown in there somehow if the Padres want pitching.

"and now, its just like willy wonka said, "you get, NOTHING!""

Except of course a former Cy Young award winner entering the prime of his career.

Posted by: cwilli | December 11, 2008 at 12:09 PM
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On a terrible team where he is unlikely to make any difference in whether or not they make the playoffs.

Plus there's always the chance he finally experiences serious arm trouble and the Padres end up with over 1/3rd of their payroll tied up in a pitcher they can't trade and who doesn't contribute for a significant portion of the contract.

And the possibility that his peripherals continue to fall next season, he continues his relative struggles away from Petco, and his value takes a big hit if the Padres look to move him. That's of course leaving aside the fact that he's not really signed below market value after this season, so he's no longer as attractive on that front.

"Jim Hendry's a timid little fool at best" ~ AnteaterPadre

This has got to be one of the WORST comments I've ever seen on a MLBTR blog. Jim is one of the best gm's baseball, period. I'm not going to go out and say hes the best and every move he makes is as if God himself were signing off on the deals, but hes made WAY FEWER mistakes than most general managers. A week ago, people were calling for Wren's head saying how hes drawn this thing out and looks rediculous for it. All of a sudden Hendry pulls out and hes crucified. Maybe Jim sees something we dont. Maybe he doesnt want to risk our farm for a pitcher that could break down very quickly like he has in the past. Ill admit, I wanted Peavy really bad. But even though were not gettin him, it doesnt mean there isnt an upside to this from a Cubs point. AnteaterPadre, learn to think, learn to research, and learn to keep your mouth shut....

Peavy will be traded to the Angels for Adenhardt, Kendrick, Mathis and 1 more minor leaguer... perhaps Terry Evans. You heard it here first!