Jeremy Hermida Rumors

Seriously, what am I missing? Hermedia to the Reds? How is that the RH bat Jocketty is anxious to acquire?

Gotta pay for plus/minus

I believe it's part of the fielding bible, but could be wrong.

Hermida to LF makes sense. Didn't the Marlins publicly announce they'd like to become the next Rays?

Pitching and defense blah blah blah.

And I'm glad he's sources think not Johnny Cueto. Cuz guys that throw 97 with a filthy change their rookie year just fall out of trees. If Cueto isn't untouchable the guy in return would have to be something special.

He is only 24 so his K:BB ration doesn't concern me. Most 24 year olds lack major plate discipline. But the Reds' interest is baffling. Unless the Reds are considering Hermedia as an upgrade over Dickerson and believe Hermida can be had cheaply, plan to move Bruce to center, and add a RH RF? I wonder if the Reds know that despite throwing right, Hermida bats left?

Rangers don't need another outfielder. We already have Hamilton, Murphy, Byrd, Cruz, and Borbon coming up quickly. Need pitching.

As a Reds fan I LOVE the idea of the Reds simply making a move for value; look at Hermida's road # from last year ... and then put him in GABP ... there's a point at which production doesn't care what side of the plate you hit from ... Owings and another kid to get a young guy who has seen success in the majors? Sign me up ... Hermida in a vacuum makes much more sense to the franchise than Dye ...

Wow hermida for 2 of those 4?

I'd settle for one of Davis/Hellickson.

Meaning that if they resign Hairston and get Rhoades their OF addition would almost have to be a cheap guy like Hermida, unless if they want to move one of Cordero, Harang, or Arroyo, which seems unlikely.

This is called sitting on your depth way too much. I wouldn't be too hesitant to deal Davis/Hellickson. I mean, that rotation is stacked for a good long time. These are the kind of non-moves that hurt the Rays' chances of contending in '09.

Hermida does not fit this team.

If the Reds are willing to pay roughly $6M for a part-time C, I would not be surprised if they add more payroll for a RH LF.

They don't want to pay Dye $11.5M because he's not worth $11.5M, not because they can't or won't add payroll.

Personally, I want to see the Reds deal E5 to the Giants for Sanchez. If they do that, they can deal Arroyo.

If the Rays wouldn't move those pitchers for Jason Bay, they'd have to be brain dead to trade them for Hermida.

This is why I kept saying the Reds SHOULD have gone after Josh Willingham.

Like Hermida, Willingham's ROAD numbers on Offense were much better than his Home numbers. Plus, Willingham bats Right Handed and plays Left Field. EXACLTY WHAT WALT JOCKITCHY PUBLICLY SAID THE REDS NEEDED AND WERE GOING AFTER!!!!

Fianlly, it wouldn't have cost the Reds NEARLY as much to acquire Willingham as it would Hermida and they wouldn't have had to pay him nearly as much as they would Jermaine Dye.

In all likelihood if they dealing Encarnacion leaves a huge hole at 3rd. Maybe Encarnacion is a huge hole in 3rd anyway, but dealing for another pitcher means the Reds will still have to add a RF and a 3B.

If Arroyo was your most consistent starter, you have issues.

Arroyo is consistent cuz he takes the ball, gives you a .500 year, and does his job. He's likely the four starter this year, and I'll take a .500 record and 200 IP any day as a Reds fan out of the number four guy.

Also, in 2008, Arroyo had 18 Quality Starts. As a comparison, Edison Volquez had 20 Quality Starts in 2008.

Of course Volquez had a better record than Arroyo and a lower ERA but, in his first seven starts, the Reds averaged scoring 6.29 Runs a Game for Volquez. The Reds went 5 and 2 in those Games.

So, even if Volquez would have had an ERA as high as Arroyo, he and the Reds would have still probably won those Games.

I also found where Arroyo gave up seven Earned Runs and seven Hits in only 1.1 Innings against Atlanta on May 4.

So, two bad starts skewed is stats upwards.

Conclusion; pitching in the park he plays his Home Games in, throwing the number of Innings he does and getting paid what he does, Arroyo is a bargain and a good guy for the Reds to have on the team and in the rotation.

Trade Max Ramirez for Hermida.

Trade Nelson Cruz for Niemann, Davis/etc

Hermida COULD be a star (his road #'s are rock solid) David Murphy is what he is.

Rangers would never do Max for Hermida though I don't think.

Cubby,

My point was, a LOT of Reds fan want to trade Arroyo away. They say he costs too much, his hair is too long and his Won Loss record hasn't been that great.

I say he has been the Reds most consistant Pitcher the last two years and people come back with "if he is their most consistant then the Reds have real problems".

What these people fail to understand and what I was trying to point out is that, Arroyo usually has three or four real BAD Starts which really skew his stats. The rest of the time, he pitches six or seven Innings and keeps the Reds IN ball Games.

That with a BETTER Offense, his record would have been better in 2007.

This is why I laugh when I see people posting on boards saying the Reds should keep Homer Bailey because he MIGHT be something and trade Arroyo away.

These people fail to understand that even IF Bailey improves, he is NOT going to pitch 200 Innings in 2009 (Volquez and Cueto are both better Pitchers than Bailey and the Reds didn't allow them to throw 200 Innings in 2008) and getting rid of Arroyo and his ability to eat Innings will HURT the Reds.

This is especailly true when you consider his contract and then look at what guys in Free Agency are asking for this year.

With Toothpick Baker as Manager and suggesting the Reds need to keep bringing in guys like Corey Pattersuck, Paul Bako and Jerry Hairston Jr, I don't think you will have to worry about the world collapsing any time soon.

Arroyo is a good pitcher. His contract is actually pretty good, when looking at what sucks like Garland and Perez, both inferior pitchers to Bronson, will get in free agency. You have to look at overall stats, not cherrypick certain bad starts.

Volquez-Cueto-Harang(always liked him, since his A's days)-Arroyo-Bailey/Maloney is a pretty damn strong rotation. I am pegging Cueto for solid improvements in 2009. Arroyo is hit or miss, but his hits are really, really good. Harang is a victim of Dusty Baker. Arroyo's also an absolute horse.

Offense and defense are what killed the Reds. Move EE to LF, and target a 3B. I like Joe Crede on a 1 year deal for the Reds. Give up nothing.

A deal that would send Hermida to the M's for Rob Johnson sounds great on both ends.. Rob is in a log jam right now, and he will not come out on top. I don't see him with any future at all in Seattle, But possibly with the Marlins.. also, Hermida would be a nice fit in Seattle.

PULL THE TRIGGER Z!

ctownboy,

I'm still a fan of Arroyo I don't think we should trade him right now but I wish he could get back to his first year in a red uniform where he was a lot more consistent. I give him this year to turn it around and be more consistent but if come trade deadline hes not where he should be # wise and we can get good value for him in a trade i would make it. You cant continue to stick with something thats not working. As for Harang hes an inning machine more than Arroyo and Baker may have misused in a relief appearance early against sd and he did have the forearm injury. but if you look at his #'s last yr. he had 8 starts where he allowed 3 runs or less and lost every single one of them and 3 more gms where allowed 1 er or less and got ND. Talk about lack of run support and for as horrible as his season was to have a 4.75 era aint to bad. Arroyo right now is at best a 3rd starter or 4th and I think thats is something we can make a move to fill if we had to. I like Volquez a ton and think he'll be a star and Cueto will come along soon.