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Lowe Receives Two Offers
5:27pm: George King at the New York Post has details on the Cashman-Boras meeting. An offer for Lowe is not mentioned, but a reluctance to offer Lowe five years is cited. As for the Boras clients beyond Lowe that were discussed, King explicitly mentions Mark Teixeira, Manny Ramirez, and Oliver Perez.
3:30pm: Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. wouldn't confirm or deny his team's rumored offer to Lowe, but he admitted interest. I imagine he would've denied it if it was false. Amaro noted that he's talked to the representatives for many free agent pitchers. He's reluctant to go past three years on one, but might consider it.
9:11am: Tony Massarotti, citing a baseball source, says free agent starter Derek Lowe has received two offers. One is from the Phillies, and the other is not from the Yankees or Red Sox. Massarotti believes Lowe will land a three or four-year deal at $15-16MM per. Jon Heyman recently named the Mets, Giants, Mariners, and Dodgers as other Lowe suitors.
Massarotti's source adds that Yanks GM Brian Cashman flew to California to visit with Scott Boras today. That could lead to an offer for Lowe, though other Boras clients may be discussed as well. The Red Sox like Lowe, but may choose to avoid a bidding war. Massarotti still likes the Sox as a match for Mark Teixeira.
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I could of swore that one person said that Braves were not interested in Lowe?
Posted by: BravesRed | December 04, 2008 at 09:17 AM
I'd love to know if the Phillies offer is even in the ballpark of what Lowe is asking for.
I'm guessing their trying to get Moyer's price down.
Posted by: UtleyFan | December 04, 2008 at 09:18 AM
Mark Teixeira would fit good with the Yankees. If you let Giambi and Abreu and not pick up a bat then what good does all the pitching do?
Posted by: mdmonline | December 04, 2008 at 09:20 AM
mmmm. Ruben is trying to make a splash! He did say that he would focus on pitching more than hitting this offseason. That would be a nice signing.
I would be concerned though about all our arbitration eligibles and would like to sign an extension or two with Hamels being first priority, Victorino second.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 04, 2008 at 09:23 AM
I'm wondering if teams are offering him 5 years and if he'll lower his demands if it's a team he is more interested in.
Posted by: Steven | December 04, 2008 at 09:30 AM
http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/braves_zeroing_in_on_burnett.html
Mark Bowman (MLB.com) said yesterday that the Braves weren't interested in Lowe.
Posted by: William | December 04, 2008 at 09:31 AM
I find it pretty hard to believe the red sox are even remotely interested in lowe at his market value.
Posted by: walkoffblast | December 04, 2008 at 09:48 AM
Would be pretty pathetic if the Mets and Yankees couldn't outbid the Phillies for Lowe.
There's no reason for the Sox to bid on Lowe other than to piss the Yankees off. They already have Beckett, Daisuke, Lester and Wakefield, Byrd is probably going to accept arbitration and then they have Masterson, Bucholz and the newly signed Tazawa all ready to fill in where needed.
Posted by: sampsonite168 | December 04, 2008 at 10:02 AM
The Red Sox are intersted in Lowe, but certainly not on a 4 year deal at 16M per. If he would take a 3 year deal at 12M, they'd welcome him back but at this point, he's a luxury that they don't need and they're acting accordingly.
and mdmonline, the Yanks still have Damon, Jeter, Arod, Cano, Nady, Posada and Swisher. I'm sure they'd like Teixeira, but they need pitching and lots of it.
Right now all they have is:
Wang
Joba (bullpen? starter?)
Hughes
Kennedy
???
Outside of Wang who suffered a freak injury, there are a whole lot of question marks and limitations (innings, effectiveness) with the rest of the rotation. Not trying to knock the Yankees, just pointing out that they need to take care of their pitching staff before spending their money on a 1B.
Posted by: Papelboner | December 04, 2008 at 10:22 AM
"Mark Teixeira would fit good with the Yankees."
Great analysis.
Posted by: vtadave | December 04, 2008 at 10:26 AM
I don't think the Phillies offer to Lowe has anything to do with Moyer, I think Ruben would like to sign both. Moyer loves it here in Philly, and is still afforable. His ONLY other place he would play for is Seattle, and after tasting World Series Victory, WHY would you want to go to Seattle???
1) Hamels
2) Lowe
3) Myers
4) Blanton
5) Moyer
now THAT would be the BEST rotation in the NL, if not the entire MLB! To go along with the NL's BEST Bullpen in 2008.. Can you say REPEAT!
Posted by: FyreKnight | December 04, 2008 at 10:50 AM
IF Lowe signs with the Phillies, Mets fans better just give up now and HOPE you may make a wild-card, although the WC is harder to win than the division!
Posted by: FyreKnight | December 04, 2008 at 10:52 AM
Mark Teixeira would fit good with the Yankees. If you let Giambi and Abreu and not pick up a bat then what good does all the pitching do?
Posted by: mdmonline | December 04, 2008 at 09:20 AM
Ummm... because Pitching wins Pennants??? Did you see how bad the Phillies offense was during all but a few games? Still they went 11-3 in the Playoffs and WS combined.. why? PITCHING!
Yankees still have one of the best offenses in the AL, Jeter, A-Rod, Damon, Cano, Swisher, Posada, Nady.... all will put up good numbers.. Cabrera and the rookie will rebound and do well enough.
and who's to say they still won't sign anyone?
Signings will start AFTER the Winter Meetings... Then watch out.. METS are in TROUBLE if they don't land 2 Pitchers and a good closer.
Their offense is fine.
Posted by: FyreKnight | December 04, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Also, by signing Lowe & Moyer, not only would we have the BEST rotation, but we'd also now have TRADE bait with Happ and Kendrick that could bring us the power Right handed bat in LF.
Vazquez traded to Braves, White Sox deal Dye to Phillies, we can now offer them young good pitchers. Or Ordonez from the Tigers, it now gives the Phillies all new options when you have starting pitchers to trade!
Posted by: FyreKnight | December 04, 2008 at 11:01 AM
FyreKnight,
I love your optimism but there's no way Happ or Kendrick bring back anything close to Ordonez or Dye.
If they ever did that (they should) they'd likely go cheap-o on LF which I'd be fine with. Keep kendrick and maybe lowe can teach him how to throw the sinkerball so it actually sinks. If they can get him fixed then they can let Myers go next year and Kendrick's $$ will save us $12 million and hold us until Drabek is HOPEFULLY ready in 2-3 years
Then focus on arbitration and sign an extension or two.
2009 Rotation
Hamels
Myers
Lowe
Blanton
Moyer
2010 Rotation
Hamels
Lowe
Carrasco
Blanton
Kendrick
2011 Rotation
Hamels
Lowe
Carrasco
Kendrick
Drabek
works for me.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 04, 2008 at 11:22 AM
ruben might have something up his sleeve where he signs lowe and than trades myers for dye or mags. its just a thought
Posted by: derman1984 | December 04, 2008 at 12:06 PM
@ philsWSchamps
You are really jumping the gun on Kendrick. He's skating on thin ice and knows it. He needs to develop a 3rd pitch to stay around.
Posted by: Groty | December 04, 2008 at 12:24 PM
Lowe, being a ground ball pitcher, would be a perfect fit for Citizen Bank Park
Posted by: Phillys Phinest | December 04, 2008 at 12:41 PM
Could the other team be the White Sox. Lowe is a ground ball, veteran pitcher that the White Sox could use. A mentor to the young staff is needed and they do need to replace Javy in the rotation.
Posted by: Tough | December 04, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Man i hope the Phils end up signing him...I wouldn't count on it though because the Yankees or Red Sox will prolly over pay for him like they do all players.
Posted by: JT89 | December 04, 2008 at 12:54 PM
groty,
supposedly he's been working on the changeup since being sent down. If he could get that down, MAYBE he could be a serviceable 5th starter.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | December 04, 2008 at 01:19 PM
Boston has more than enough starters NOT to add a Lowe's contract... Lowe's chances at another ring are far better in Philly than they would be for the Yanks... If its pure money, then nobody will offer more than the Yankees... although not sure Lowe just wants the money... He's a better fit in Philly than anywhere else in my opinion.
Posted by: FyreKnight | December 04, 2008 at 02:51 PM
Rosenthal thinks it's either/or for Moyer or Lowe. If that's the case, spending Burrell's money on Lowe is sort of a lateral move IMO, upgrade Moyer's spot (not a ton based on last year), but open up a big hole in LF
If they can pair Rivera/Baldelli with Lowe for the money they may have spent on Moyer and PTB, then that's arguably a decent upgrade
Posted by: wayne gomes | December 04, 2008 at 03:59 PM
Also it the Phils want to give 4-50 to Lowe, I'd much rather them kick up another year for Burnett
Posted by: wayne gomes | December 04, 2008 at 04:00 PM
First of all, the word is "probably", not "prolly". Secondly, I wouldn't put too much stock in Massarotti saying the Red Sox are interested in Tex. That is simply to tweak the Yankees and Angels into paying more.
Posted by: CMM | December 04, 2008 at 04:11 PM
CMM, I think the Red Sox are VERY interested in Teixeira. In fact, I believe he is their top offseason priority. Of course, it is hard to say with certainty since they have become the model for tight-lipped organizations. Who heard a peep about Pedroia's extension before it was announced?
They have depth at SP (Beckett, Lester, Dice K, Wakefield, Masterson, Buccholz, maybe Byrd), so they aren't going to spend $150 million + on CC, but they have the money to spend on a 28 year-old Gold Glove/Silver Slugger stud of a firstbaseman.
I would say the odds of Teixeira landing in LA of Anaheim, NY, or Boston are about even. All three teams have the resources, so it seems to me that its all going to come down to where Tex wants to play.
Posted by: elguapo | December 04, 2008 at 04:47 PM