Mark Teixeira Rumors: Wednesday

If Tex "really, really" wants to play for the Orioles, maybe he should "settle" for only making $150 million in the next seven years during a period in the US where thousands of people are losing their jobs everyday. Boohoo.

i see don't see him signing with the red sox unfortunately. it will be all about no-trade and opt-out clauses, which the red sox will not offer...

If that is accruate reporting and those are the offers I seriously would not be surprised to see the Yankees jump into this now. Something like 10 years 20+ million a year with an opt out clause somewhere between seasons 3 and 5..

This opt out clause might be something we will be seeing more and more in baseball in the future.. Just a hunch.

I bet Tex gets his 10 yr $200 mill deal he said he wanted at the beginning, and it pisses me off. Everyone knows it's a terrible business decision, and it'll get done anyway.

The Orioles aren't out of this despite what Olney says. They just want people to think they are out of this IMO...

jtrea - if they're not they should be.

they're buying a jacuzzi when they need to fix the hole in their roof

bosox..I agree until the last sentence, its a lot better to have the "good guys" to root for and he is definitely one of them...until he puts on a Sox uniform :)

No one is bashing the guy...the system is the problem.

Posted by: James PLouffe | December 17, 2008 at 10:26 AM

Is the system the problem or is Scott Boras the problem? This is the same agent who proposed a 4 year / $50 million deal for a 36 year old offensively challenged Jason Varitek. This is the same agent who compared Oliver Perez, at this stage in his career, to Sandy Koufax. The guy went to a two bit law school - UOP - and it shows in his unscrupulous approach to negotiations.

The Orioles have a lot of good pieces already assembled though.

Roberts (if extended), Markakis, Jones and Wieters is a darn good core, and then you add Tex.

The only weakness they have is the starting rotation and they have the trio of Chris Tillman, Jake Arrieta and Brian Matusz in the minors only a year or so away. And that's not talking about EL Pitcher of the Year Brad Bergesen or Jason Berken either.

They will have a bunch of young talented players for cheap and therefore will be able to afford Tex's contract.

Everybody who says the Orioles have a lot of holes needs to look at their entire organization. In the past couple of years, the organization has gotten a lot better very quickly.

The system isn't the problem, did anyone here ever think that maybe they are just flat out wrong.

Teixeira will land whatever the free market bears. Supply and demand, people.. Remember the teachings of Adam Smith..

if casman said it, id believe it, because that means the yankees are out

Fans may see him (Scott Boras) as the problem, but in all honesty, if any of us had a son with the talent to go pro, Boras would be the first person we called. I know it would be the first person I called.

Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 17, 2008 at 10:41 AM

There's an old saying - "You're only as good as the people you associate with."

adam smith also believed in fair play, which this system does not employ.

This year it’s Tex this or Tex that, (last year it was Miggy this and Miggy that) but his value is certainly just shy of $30 million a year in A-Rod dollars (since 27.5 was then). And now that the Fed is printing dollars so that the Chinese, Japanese or even an oil baron can buy up everything, then maybe we will have the Putin Angels of Anaheim and $30 million a year won’t be too much to pay. How many rubles is that darling? Oh that's ridiculous, but the S.D. Padres are up for sale because of a divorce (or maybe Bernie Madman Maddoff?) and we could see a new franchise of the best players in baseball develop owned by Hugo Chavez and Citgo oil?

ksy, theo would never give that info up...
they are one of the most tight lipped organizations

midtown, what team do you follow?

Posted by: bosox87 | December 17, 2008 at 10:54 AM

I follow a few teams, including the Athletics, the Red Sox and the Mets. Mostly though, I'm just a fan of the game in general.

"The only weakness they have is the starting rotation"

If the ONLY weakness the Orioles have is their rotation, then why are they going all in on an impact bat that will probably cost them a full third of their annual salary? Surely they would've focused on Sabathia or Burnett instead.

"So...was it Andy MacPhail, Jim Bowden, Brian Cashman, or Tony Reagins?"

It was Theo Epstein.

"The only weakness they have is the starting rotation"

That's like saying the only bad thing about Jeffrey Dahmer was that he killed and ate people. The rotation is a disaster, but if you get a chance at an impact bat, a hometown boy no less, you go after it.

41 games package is every other game starting with opening day so I get to see the elite teams and the Sox..
Just kidding there, but I couldnt resist :)

Scribble..
I agree which is why I explained in detail as someone who does buy "affordable" tickets. I cant afford the lower level seats if I want to go to that many games, but its not like the entrie stadium is out of reach for the "average Joe".

"you know deep down you have a B on your heart."

LMAO!!! Nope..but I really do have an NY tattooed on my leg!!!

Ugh..what you said just made me ill!

"the "b" could be for bastards won two and we spent twice as much to keep this bs from happening."

Nah...Im ok with them winning the 2. For 86 years people tried to pretend there was a rivalry, now there really is one. I actually handled 04 better than I ever thought I would. Arguing with Sox fans is more fun when you guys at least have SOME ammunition..as long as we have more, Im ok with it.

James PLouffe,

First of all, you don't seem to grasp what the paradox of value says. It doesn't say that water should be more valuable than diamonds (using the classic example), it is basically an open question of why diamonds are more valuable than water. Are you trying to ask why MLB players are worth more than, say, school teachers?

I'm just going to leave aside your whole argument about teams "screwing" the tax payer for now. Its an extremely complex issue that I could go on and on about. I'll just say that there is a reasonable argument that a major sports team adds both intangible and tangible value to a city and that the city should be willing to help support them in return.

As for your comment about ticket prices going up because of spending on free agents you are just wrong. JC Bradbury (an economics professor) studied that very issue and found no significant correlation between the two.

"wow, thats pretty damn bad, a millimeter below the sox coming from a self proclaimed yankee fan is just breath taking i think we are on to something here..a breakthrough in sports, the Manning family is the most hated family in all of sports including ole archibald."

I agree..I HATE all of them! A friend in Boston ( Pats and Sox season ticket holder and a friend...go figure) got me a shirt up there that says "I hate Payton Manning" on the front and on the back it says "Oh and by the way, Eli sucks too"

Are you suggesting that if he (Boras) had been Harvard educated he would be more moral? And is Boras really not a moral person?

- I'm questiong whether Boras was awake during his Civil Procedure class. Think about the term - a civil set of procedures by which the facts of a case may be discovered so that a dispute may be resolved. But, Boras doesn't play a civil game aimed at discovery, now does he. He exploits the fact that teams are not permitted to discuss player negotiations with one another (since that would give rise to claims of collusion) and misrepresents the existence (or, more often than not, the non-existence) of competing offers. My guess is that Boras didn't become a litigator precisely because he couldn't function within an atmosphere of civility or honesty.

"only been to 2 of those parades but by the end of my life i hope i see a whole lot more. tis the season to be jolly got cc all wrapped up and standing beside the tree couldnt seem to get him under it though could ya, and burnett you just recieved a new mri"

Well since CC doesnt have to pitch from under a tree, Im good there, and AJ did get a new MRI..one that gave him a clean bill of health!

Honestly, I wanted Tex more than CC..Im not a big CC fan and really do think he is David Wells bad back waiting to happen. All I can do is root for the guy and hope for the best.

The dif with AJ and Pavano (I hope) is that AJ has balls. I hate Pavano, not cause he was hurt, but because I dont think he wanted to be in NY and therefore didnt try. Some of his injuries were suspect.

I disagree with what you say about CC. Im worried about his back not his arm. There is nothing to show anything he did last season will do anything to his arm. I HATE the way pitchers are babied these days.
I also dont think what he did was stupid..I like that he said he would do whatever it took to help his team, even if it might have ended up costing him $$ if he had gotten hurt.

Well, what was was..all i can do is hope that he stays healthy now. Yanks needed pitching, they took a big risk on a guy that can provide a big reward.

You forgot the most important one...BEER!

Where did you hear that Bosox?

Well if you get confirmation, let us know.
Tex is one of my fave players not on the Yanks, has been since his days in Texas. The only thing that would make me happier than him going to the Yanks would be him NOT going to the Sox!

shocking development if it were baltimore, that mean tex took the discount, but i doubt it since his heart was set on going for $200 million. i think it will be the red sox or the nationals in the end

If it's a $200 million deal, Tex would pay $8 million more in state income tax by playing for the Angels.

John..I remember that, didnt hear much about it in NY, but I remember reading bits an pieces about all the Drs he would go to. Still like the guy tho, I used to love watching him pitch when I was a kid.

I just hate the whole 100 pitch thing even if a guy is cruising. I hate that there are hardly any complete games and I especially HATE that the Yanks are treating Joba like he is a fragile piece of china. The kid is 24 years old, let him freakin pitch!!
I dont' remember any other pitcher on the Yanks, or any other team being treated with kid gloves the way Joba is.

I think you're missing the point of his statement, 04Forever. I read that as "our current offer is not our final offer."

I just hate the whole 100 pitch thing even if a guy is cruising. I hate that there are hardly any complete games and I especially HATE that the Yanks are treating Joba like he is a fragile piece of china. The kid is 24 years old, let him freakin pitch!!
I dont' remember any other pitcher on the Yanks, or any other team being treated with kid gloves the way Joba is.

Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 17, 2008 at 01:53 PM

Unfortunately, in this day and age the damage to young pitchers arm's is done at a much much earlier age. In little league kids are no longer allowed to throw nearly as much as they use to be able to. This results in a ton of future problems because it is at these very early years that the human body/muscles develop an ability to "recover" from strain. Because kids are being babied from day one, their bodies don't learn correct muscle memory/recovery. By the time these kids get to the majors its already too late. This is why we are seeing more and more younger arms going down with strains.

One of the best examples of the sham that is pitch counts is Tom Glavine.

By age 26 or 27 he ranks as one of the highest guys ever with regards to Innings pitched. 20 years later he has just 1 trip to the DL and that was last year.

Maddux also falls into this category.

It will be interesting when Matsuzaka's career is over to see how his arm held up after all the innings he pitched when he was a kid.

Unfortunately though, in this day and age until things change at the "DEVELOPMENTAL" levels, all the arms that come into MLB will have been "developed" poorly and will experience trouble.

On another note about Pitch Counts.....
Why don't warm up pitches before the inning count? Why does a junkball pitch in an 0-2 situation count as much as a hard fastball in a 3-1 situation? Surely in the situation where a pitcher is wasting a pitch he doesn't exert as much strain as he does trying to sneak a fastball by a guy down the middle.

As you can tell I hate pitch counts.

"It will be interesting when Matsuzaka's career is over to see how his arm held up after all the innings he pitched when he was a kid."

I really wish that Francona would just give up and start leaving him out there for 150 pitches to see what happens.

If they Red Sox do end up getting Teixeria, who will the Sox try to get for Lowell? Maybe a catcher? I would think that they would try to ship Mike Lowell and 1ST Base prospect Lars Anderson together.

"Brewers trade JJ Hardy to the Red Sox for Mike Lowell and Manny Delcarmen. "

That trade doesn't make any sense for the Red Sox. They'd solve the Mike Lowell problem, but suddenly have a glaring hole in their bullpen and three shortstops, one of whom is pretty much impossible to unload and the only way Lowrie would get anything of value is packaged with someone else. Hardy is good and all, but useless to the Sox.

Hardy has no place on the Sox. Lowrie's a guy with solid on base potential. His defense is questionable, but I'd just as soon give him a real shot starting before essentially pulling the plug on his career in an effort to unload Lowell.

The Brewers could offer that, sure, but there's no way it'd get done.

"If they Red Sox do end up getting Teixeria, who will the Sox try to get for Lowell? Maybe a catcher? I would think that they would try to ship Mike Lowell and 1ST Base prospect Lars Anderson together."

Unlikely. Anderson is pretty close to untouchable right now. If the Sox sign Teixeira, Anderson sticks around since he's projected to be ready around the time Ortiz's contract is up. Anderson will likely be our next DH.

"Maybe. How how much longer is David's contract, and would Theo just let him go?"

Two years with a club option for 2011.

You better believe Theo would let him go if it came down to it. If we lock up Teixeira for eight years and Anderson pans out to be the hitter he's supposed to be, there's no reason for the Sox to keep Ortiz around short of sentimentality. I love Ortiz as much as the next guy and honestly, I think the claims that he's regressing are pretty effectively B.S. (His stats don't bare it out as anything other than effects of his wrist injury), he will eventually start to regress and Anderson's got both the contact ability and the power ceiling to potentially replace Ortiz as a DH while adding the value of a competent backup glove, opening up an extra roster spot. It's entirely possible the Sox might exercise his 2011 option, but odds are, it'll be as a bench player if we get Teixeira.

hey guys, just a random question while on the topic of tex. the braves received kotchman and a minor league pitcher for half a year for tex. kotchman is young and under control until after 2011. with that said, do you think the mets can get saunders for a whole year for delgado, or do you think the mets would have to give a prospect as well. if so who would the prospect have to be? thanks

Sorry it was a dumb thing to post on a RUMOR BOARD. It wasn't my idea! I was just saying it! Sorry for posting this to you all.

I guess posting a RUMOR on a RUMOR Board is a bad thing to do? F you Andrew

Wasn't sure where to put this but thought it was cool. Was looking at the old archives, and in one of the '05 rumors Tim says:

"Mark my words, the Devil Rays will be a contender by 2007."

Someone responds with:

"The Devil Rays a contender in 2007? Who is the person that wrote that trying to kid?

If the Devil Rays get to 3rd place by 2015, it will be a shocker.

Contender in 2007? HA, don't make me laugh too hard!

Face it, Tampa Bay isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and they sure aren't going to be playoff contenders by 2007. If they make it to 3rd place, that would shock me."

Guess you were so wrong Tim, by a year at least. ;)

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2005/11/julio-lugo-to-t.html#comments

I think every job should have some equivalent to a pitch count. If you're a carpenter or something, you get pulled after driving 125 nails- less if you're not 'on' that day. A lawyer in the middle of his summation might get the hook after 200 words. Mathematicians would have a hard 25 equation count. Keep us all fresh!

One last note from myself on the pitch count thing from myself that was mentioned here from little leaguer's here that was mentioned above and i can attest to: 40+ years ago a little league pitcher was allowed to throw anything they could, be it a curve ball, fastball, anything and as many pitches as they wanted, or could. I know and did up until "aged out" at 14 years old back then. Now, they are told no curve balls because it damages the wrist and few innings and brought out, or was several years ago when I volunteer coached some.

That was a doozy Andrew on JJ Hardy for MDC and Lowell, but Sox have no need to swap MDC for him anyway and can always swap Lowell to the twins after they finish choking on Wiggington and he goes elsewhere this winter.

milehigh78,
You Rock.

Hes going to Boston. Thats where Boras wants him to go and he said he wanted to go to the east coast. Plus the Sox are a contender

"I think every job should have some equivalent to a pitch count. If you're a carpenter or something, you get pulled after driving 125 nails- less if you're not 'on' that day. A lawyer in the middle of his summation might get the hook after 200 words. Mathematicians would have a hard 25 equation count. Keep us all fresh! "

Posted by: milehigh78 | December 17, 2008 at 03:40 PM

Toss in a pay raise by a few Million and I think we could call it a good, fair plan for everyone.

As for the back and forth on Teixeira......

bottom line - whoever signs the guy gets an impact bat for the middle of their order for the next 8 years.

Over that time, the guy should hit a combined 200+ HR's with 800+ RBI's/RUNS while playing exceptional defense and giving the lineup flexibilty due to his switch hitting.

$21-23 Million sounds more reasonable looking at that type of production.